Why are you all scared of disease?

[Anonymous No.10191277]

Measles had a <1/100,000 death rate before the vaccine
diphtheria had a less than 6/100,000 death rate before the vaccine
Tetanus had 1 case/100,000 people, cases not deaths.
Chicken pox had 100 deaths/year
Mumps had 50 deaths/year not even recorded till 1960
Rubella had 20 deaths/year not even recorded till 1960
immunocompromised.

Pertussis vaccine causes viral shedding, the vaccinated can spread pertussis to babies and

According to the NOAA, over the last 20 years, the United States averaged 51 annual lightning strike fatalities, placing it in the second position, just behind floods for deadly weather.[9][10] In the US, between 9% and 10% of those struck die,[11] for an average of 40 to 50 deaths per year (28 in 2008).[12]
>51 annual lightning strike fatalities
You're as afraid of these diseases as you are about getting struck by lightning.

Sources
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf (page 84 and 85 for measles/diphtheria)
https://vaccines.procon.org/sourcefiles/cdc-reported-cases-and-deaths-from-vaccine-preventable-diseases.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt16-tetanus.html (source on graph in pic related)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_strike
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24277828 (pertussis baboon study that showed vaccinated baboons transmitting pertussis to unvaccinated baboons in the same cage)

[Anonymous No.10191321]

nobody wakes up and thinks "I hope I won't get aids today" idk wtf you're talking about kid

[Anonymous No.10191329]

Got lyme a year ago and still suffering negative effects, even with antibiotics. Be afraid, be very afraid.

[Anonymous No.10191391]

>>10191321
They do that by not having unprotected sex with other men.

[Anonymous No.10191394]

>>10191391
or maybe they don't want to get pregaganangt

[Anonymous No.10191624]

focusing on only death statistics is a classic disingenuous dodge of anti-vaxxers and you shouldn't give this thread the time of day

[Anonymous No.10191637]

>>10191624
>MEASLES IS DEADLY AND KILLS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE EVERY DAY
>STOP FOCUSING ON DEATHS
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.10191803]

>>10191637
Vaccination of measles has prevented millions of deaths annually, which your "death rate" calculation attempts to hide. It also attempts to hide complications from these diseases that are more common than death and cause permanent disability. Not to mention that your own figures show that death from measles before the vaccine was many more times likely than being struck or killed by lightning. In summation, you're a dishonest hack.

[Anonymous No.10191840]

>>10191803
>Vaccination of measles has prevented millions of deaths annually,
How can you be preventing millions of deaths if only 500 people were dying annually?
This is BEFORE MMR was ever introduced.
It's a difference of about 450 people annually.
That doesn't take into account the scare of tetanus, mumps, rubella and chicken pox which had rates VERY similar to lightning strikes if not less.

[Anonymous No.10191848]

>>10191840
My mom died from a double lightning stroke

[Anonymous No.10191880]

>>10191840
>not even recorded until 1960
How do you know what the death rates were before they were recorded?
See pic. You’ll think “but that wasn’t really a lot”
Now it is fucking ZERO
What makes it ok that “only” several people died from a disease every year when it is entirely possible to make that number zero? This isn’t about fear anon, it’s about disease control which is imperative for the survival of our species.
And if there was a way to stop lightning strikes, we’d probably do it.

[Anonymous No.10191885]

>>10191840
>How can you be preventing millions of deaths if only 500 people were dying annually?
Because more than 500 people were dying annually you lying hack. Tens of thousands nationally and millions globally.

And yet again you attempt to hide the fact that these diseases caused permanent disabilities at even much higher rates, because you are a lying hack.

[Anonymous No.10191909]

>>10191885
>Because more than 500 people were dying annually you lying hack.
>Tens of thousands nationally
Literally no data to back it up. I provided evidence in the first post.
Since you're illiterate I'll post it here again.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf
page 84/85
https://vaccines.procon.org/sourcefiles/cdc-reported-cases-and-deaths-from-vaccine-preventable-diseases.pdf
Measles year 1950: 468 deaths
That doesn't sound like tens of thousands to me.
In fact, no measles year exceeded 1000/year past 1950.
You are a liar with no evidence to back it up.

[Anonymous No.10191917]

>>10191909
>implying those 468 who died of a preventable disease didn’t matter

[Anonymous No.10191942]

>>10191917
>implying those are die of vaccine injuries don't matter.
Show me how many die from vaccines, because I can't show you that they don't report vaccine injuries at all.

[Anonymous No.10192032]

>>10191942
>do my research because I didn’t find any evidence to substantiate my claims
Come on anon. And the lack of reporting was a blatant lie.
I find 104 deaths that occured after recieving an MMR vaccine in the past 10 years and ten deaths from 2017 to present. There is no causal link between the vaccine and these deaths, they are reported as having happened sometime after vaccination regardless of cause.
Used this database:
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php
These numbers are still lower, by orders of magnitude, than deaths attributed to MMR before a vaccine existed.

[Anonymous No.10192068]

>>10192032
>vaers
http://vaers-2016-reports.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
>432 deaths
Stanly Plotkins who is the god father of vaccines
https://youtu.be/rUaOkKUXYek?t=281
>I don't really put much faith into the VAERS system.
IOM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK190024/
>This one study (Geier and Geier, 2004) was not considered in the weight of epidemiologic evidence because it provided data from a passive surveillance system
CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html
>Limitations: It is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event.
>It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.
FDA
https://www.congress.gov/106/crpt/hrpt977/CRPT-106hrpt977.pdf
>Former FDA Commissioner David A. Kessler has estimated that VAERS reports currently represent only a fraction of the serious adverse events
HHS
https://healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
>fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.
>1% injuries reported
>43,200 deaths in 2016 alone?

4 major institutions and stanly plotkin's himself does not believe in VAERS as accurate.

So if we take your 104 MMR deaths, could that actually be 10,400 deaths?

If we compare that with measles over 10 years that is 500 x 10 = 5,000 measles deaths
That would still be 2x as many deaths if we take the average of 500 deaths per year from measles for 10 years.

VAERS is unreliable and should not be used.

[Anonymous No.10192079]

>>10192068
>did not specify what vaccine the data came from
>>Limitations: It is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event.
Exactly my point. Literally telling you that you can’t determine if the death was caused by the vaccine or not.

Are you going to post a number that isn’t straight conjecture or are we just going to apply bogus multiples to known data?

[Anonymous No.10192094]

>>10192079
We have multiple sources saying VAERS is unreliable. If VAERS is unreliable, then how are we recording vaccine injuries?

If we aren't properly recording vaccine injuries, how can you say the benefit is greater than the risks. You do not know the risk so you cannot make this claim.
You can't say the 500 people who die from measles are more important than the ??? who die from MMR, that is the definition of blind medicine.

[Anonymous No.10192104]

>>10192094
How can you say that it’s not? You don’t know the risks either. You’re weighing no data against (probably) incomplete data.

[Anonymous No.10192134]

>>10192104
>How can you say that it’s not?
>Taking complete blind risks with a medicine that is injected into your day 1 old baby
Yeah no thanks, that sounds like a retarded idea.
You guys complain about anti-vaxxers using crystal healing and shit and "praying" disease away?
You guys are committing that right now, you do not know how many people you kill, it's "faith" that vaccines are safe, not science.
You are anti-science.

[Anonymous No.10192547]

>>10192134
Just because you willfully ignore evidence showing they're safe doubt mean the evidence doesn't exist.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/2/325

But thanks for admitting that you have no evidence for your position.

[Anonymous No.10193178]

>>10192547
Your own fucking link disproves you in saying that vaccines are safe and well studied.
>Limitations of the study include that the majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for AEs; and the severity of AEs was inconsistently reported.
This comes from the 2011 IOM report where 135 of the 154 commonly reported AE have 0 literature to support or reject a relationship between the vaccine.

This is the type of bullshit you pro-vaxxers try to pull, you take studies that say "vaccines have not been studied for ____" and use that as evidence that vaccines are safe. It's absolutely asinine.

[Anonymous No.10193211]

>>10191277
not even thinking of the disability it causes. fuck off b8.

[Anonymous No.10193271]

>>10193211
Because you guys are more focused on the diseases being "deadly" and killing millions when that is in fact, a lie.

[Anonymous No.10193284]

>>10193271
have you surveyed what concerns people w.r.t infectious diseases, or are you just moving the goalposts because you forgot to factor in disability-adjusted life years?

because I'm pretty sure when people think of polio, they think of paralyzed people, not just the subset that die.

[Anonymous No.10193298]

>>10193284
>but polio!
I can't cover every disease ever. Nor should you be treating all vaccines as equal. You have to look at them all separately, their benefits, their risks, their ingredients, etc.

Chicken pox vaccine should not be treated the same as polio vaccine.

I'm focusing on death rates specifically because you guys say they are deadly. But how can a disease be considered deadly if it only kills 1/100,000 people at most, thats a 0.00001% chance of dying when you get measles. Thats not deadly, thats a joke.

[Anonymous No.10193551]

>>10193178
>Your own fucking link disproves you in saying that vaccines are safe and well studied.
>Limitations of the study include that the majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for AEs; and the severity of AEs was inconsistently reported.
How does this imply vaccines aren't safe and well studied? You're so desperate, it's hilarious.

>This comes from the 2011 IOM report where 135 of the 154 commonly reported AE have 0 literature to support or reject a relationship between the vaccine.
Another lie. The IOM put 135 AE-vaccine associations in the category of inadequate evidence to accept or reject, not "0 literature."

This is the type of bullshit you anti-vaxxers try to pull, you ignore all the evidence that vaccines are safe and keep making up fake associations that need to be investigated. It's exactly like the retarded creationists who say that transitional fossils haven't been found.

[Anonymous No.10193555]

>>10193298
You're focusing on death rates because you know you'll lose the argument if you address it honestly instead of strawmanning. Unfortunately you're too fucking stupid to pull this slight of hand off and it was immediately noticed, backfiring and convincing everyone reading that you're a dishonest hack.

[Anonymous No.10193563]

>>10193271
That's just because the people that die from them are so dead they cease to exist retroactively.

[Anonymous No.10193572]

>>10191917
>835 people died falling out of beds in 2014
>implying it shouldn't be illegal to not sleep on the floor

[Anonymous No.10193578]

>>10191277
Social training, and likewise people are also trained to put in effort to increase their risk of disease and actively harm themselves. Most people don't have the strength or mental faculty to reject the system, no matter what they find. They are afraid and go along to get along.

It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.10193583]

>>10191277

The biggest fear that everyone in this post seems to have neglected sharing is not in regards to the usage of vaccines in order to fight against illnesses such as diphtheria and what not.


It is not any of that.


What everyone should truly be afraid of is the development and enhancement of biological weapons using gene engineering technology in our lifetime. There are already allegations by previous USSR scientists that they made a genetically enhanced small-pox based weapon.


Measles may pose a threat to a themepark because of neglectful parents not vaccinating their children, compare that to a weapon with the possibility of wiping out the population of a nation and crippling its economy and ability to recover for decades to come.


Much like in the 40's with the pandora's box that is the atomic weapon- we must increasingly become aware of the threat of genetically engineered super-disease that can only be accelerated with gene engineering tech becoming more mainstream.


We should really be worrying about this.

[Anonymous No.10193654]

>>10191277
Except i got crohns. You have a 100% chance of getting a chronic disease over a lifetime and they are debilitating and make you feel rotten about your body.

[Anonymous No.10193960]

>>10191277
Three words, Anonyfag:
The Black Death

[Anonymous No.10194666]

>>10193960
>the black death is gone
Black death is still here, why are we not vaccinating against it, millions died!

[Anonymous No.10194679]

>>10194666
>his parents didn't have him get his plague and anthrax shots as a newborn
Wow, now that's abuse.

[Anonymous No.10194686]

It's almost like if you eat healthy, live clean and in sanitary conditions with a roof over your head unlike many people from the 1800s and even early 1900s and third worlders today, a majority of "deadly" diseases are a joke.

[Anonymous No.10196025]

>>10191329
why are there always lyme schizos?

[Anonymous No.10196354]

I come here every day and faggot OP has a thread like this literally every week. And he'll keep doing them until you fags stop taking the bait.

[Anonymous No.10196788]

>>10191394
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[Anonymous No.10196943]

>>10193298
>I'm focusing on death rates specifically because you guys say they are deadly.
we say they're deadly when we're talking about diseases that are, in fact, deadly. no one claims every disease we vaccinate for is deadly, so focusing on something like measles and saying that proves wrong a claim no one made is disingenuous and dishonest

[Anonymous No.10198190]

>>10191329
I also got lyme last June what kind of symptoms do you have
I'm still having symptoms like arthritis and tingling but it's nowhere near as bad as it was last summer
I could barely think straight for the latter part of 2017

[Anonymous No.10198201]

>>10196943
>literally a list in the op

[Anonymous No.10198261]

>>10191277
Getting sick gives you an awful feeling. When the average person gets a flu, they struggle to to more than half of what they could do if healthy.