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10170007 No.10170007 [Reply] [Original]

>get PhD
>start looking for industry jerbs
>find a nice looking one
>see pic related
EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

>> No.10170026

>>10170007
Just lie about it?

>> No.10170038

how tf does this happen?

>> No.10170039

>>10170038
what do you mean? do you not understand why someone wouldn't want to hire a phd?

>> No.10170040

>>10170039
No i dont

>> No.10170050

>>10170040
imagine one of the world's most impressive football players can't get a football job because there's just too many players at the moment (or professional mountain climber, motocross stuntmen) and has applied to your company for a job counting the letters in words. The job is just to get a page of text and write down in a spreadsheet the number of letters on each line. The problem is it takes about one year to get used to the very bad interface of the specific spreadsheet program the company hires. Would you hire the football player/stuntman/climber? or try to get someone that's not one of these guys

>> No.10170053

>>10170040
Because you’re not inclined to pay someone as much when they don’t have a PhD

>> No.10170054
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10170054

>>10170050
What?

>> No.10170058

>>10170050
I see, so it's an overqualification issue.

>> No.10170078

>>10170058
that depends what you consider to be the problem in "overqualification".
It's because those people are totally not suited to doing that job, they will hate it and they will quit before they even get up to speed enough to produce more than they cost

>> No.10170084

>>10170050
I get the idea of what you're trying to say, but you're saying it in a incredibly bad way

>> No.10170091

>>10170084
u say it better then

>> No.10170108

>>10170054
just think about the fucking question. would you hire one of those guys for that job?

>> No.10170126

>>10170007
every time i see some R & D job at intel, microsoft or other big companies they require a PHD idk what the fuck you are talking about

>> No.10170130

>>10170126
jeez maybe it's not an R&D job? duh?

>> No.10170154

>>10170050
Eventually we'll all be so retarded that this will be the standard way anything is explained to anyone.

>> No.10170162

>>10170154
im not trying to explain it i'm trying to elicit it from what i assume are shut-in children who can't immediately see why you wouldn't want to hire a phd for a workaday job

>> No.10170177

>>10170130
>has PhD
>doesn't go into R&D
>is surprised companies don't want you for non-research jobs
Anyway, you don't have to tell the HR/hiring manager retards you have a PhD. Just tell them your masters degree and take it from there.

>> No.10170201
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10170201

>search for entry level jobs
>see this
>apply for grad school the day after
this is fucking real btw.

>> No.10170220

>>10170177
The problem occurs when PhDs try to settle for shit jobs. A science PhD is quite valuable in an R and D department, and there are jobs available if your are willing to move and search for a year or so.

Why these dumbass PhDs have so little self worth is beyond me. Why would you apply to a job that doesn't require a PhD in the first place?

>> No.10170228

>>10170026
>Uh...anon, can you explain this 8 year gap in your employment history?

>> No.10170265

>>10170220
> A science PhD is quite valuable in an R and D department, and there are jobs available if your are willing to move and search for a year or so.
Search for a year? WTF?

>> No.10170272

>>10170201

The cringe is real

>> No.10170279

>>10170201
I saw one that looked like an invitation to a child's birthday party. Pretty sure it referenced memes towards the end.

Still applied.

>> No.10170294

>>10170265
Yeah, preferably you start a job search before you graduate, but if you were a lazy fuck, you should be able to get a well paying job that requires a PhD within a year. Worst case scenario.

>> No.10170299

>>10170007
What jerbs are you looking for?

>> No.10170317

>>10170299
not OP but a start up dedicated to proving the Riemann Hypothesis would be nice.

>> No.10170321

>>10170007
Where have you been searching and trying to apply?

>> No.10170356

>>10170201
>good with google
>loves coffee and beer
sign me the fuck up, sounds like a dream job

>> No.10170363

based academia will keep me from having to face the real world

>> No.10170403

>>10170356
don't be stupid. work in a stable and established company instead.

>> No.10170436

>>10170220
>Why these dumbass PhDs have so little self worth is beyond me.
Maybe because they've spent the last 21+ years of their lives in school eating out of their teachers' palms?

>> No.10170440

>>10170436
Wtf do you mean?

>> No.10170453

>>10170220
>Why these dumbass PhDs have so little self worth is beyond me.
maybe cause they're not actually worth much because there's so many of them.

>> No.10170499

>>10170453
There's really not that many. I know it's a haha funny meme and very contrarian to say that you only need a middle school diploma to get a million dollar a year job, but PhDs are highly sought after. Obviously you need applicable skills and it depends on how you market yourself.

>> No.10170509

>>10170228
>yeah, i can

>> No.10170680

>>10170162
No, your grasp on English is just incredibly poor, as are your analogies, and you barely make a coherent point. Go and do some English language classes, retard

>> No.10170796

>>10170228
>I got hit by a semi and went into a coma. I'm thankful to be alive today

>> No.10170807

>>10170091
OP is overqualified for an understimulating position that is reserved for people incapable of independent thought.

>> No.10170809

>TFW have a masters in population genetics but everyone wants Phd

>> No.10170903

>>10170228
I was volunteering for an agency that helps bring Syrian refugees to America.

>> No.10170929

>>10170007
Just list yourself as a M.S.

>> No.10170946

>>10170903
>Shalom, you are hired

>> No.10170955

Industry or academia, the PhD (in science/mathematics) sets you onto the research track. That either means pure research or R&D. There are ample opportunities on both sides of the coin. If you don’t want to do research at all, you done fucked up. The only options left are basically being a quant or codemonkeying in the financial sector.

>> No.10170958

>>10170228
>giving them an accurate timeline

>> No.10170959

>>10170228
Just say you were backpacking in Europe to find yourself. They literally do not give a shit, they dislike PhDs because they think you're an underachiever, that you're going to demand more money, or that you're using them and are going to ditch them at the first opportunity.

>> No.10171036

>>10170039
>>10170040
>>10170050
>>10170053
It's because the PhD and footballer can bail when new opportunities arise, whereas someone without any other skills is more likely to stay doing the Excel job and so there is less risk that the employer will have to pay for the cost of training a replacement.

>> No.10171140

>>10170959
>underachiever
What?

>> No.10171150

>>10170809
>goes into worthless field

>> No.10171160

>>10171140
>He's got a PhD, why is he applying for a shitter position that a good B.S. could've gotten him without a $300,000+ opportunity cost? He must have washed out of a better program/deemed himself unable to get a better job.

>> No.10171163

>>10171160
The solution is to apply to appropriate research or R&D jobs? Why would you get a PhD if you didn’t want to do research of some kind?

>> No.10171167

>>10170038
It's a polite way to say 'smartasses need not apply'

>> No.10171182

>>10171163
The reality is that the bar is so low for PhDs right now that most people with them are not capable of doing meaningful research. If this is you, there are two cases:
1)You are a woman: Then you are all good and will be sent straight to management, which means you won’t have to do science ever again, but will get paid more than the scientists, and you will be the one taking the photos with the results for the media
2) You are man, which means you end up like OP trying to get whatever the fuck.

>> No.10171194

>>10170050
I don't think you could have explained this any worse if you tried.
>y.. You do it then

Another anon already did.

>> No.10171227

>>10171163
>Why would you get a PhD if you didn’t want to do research of some kind?
i don't wanna do research anymore man

>> No.10171238

>>10171227
Go into consulting. Or if you have a quantitative PhD, go into finance/investment banking

>> No.10171388

>>10170903
>why isn't it listed?
>can i get a reference?

>> No.10171494

>>10170007

Honestly pH.ds are shit. MS Master race reporting.

>> No.10171669

>>10170054
Well I definitely know you won't be overqualified.

>> No.10171691

>>10171238
thanks i'll look into that

>> No.10171751

>>10171691
Seriously though, just apply to lots of consulting Jobs until you get an offer you like. They pay well into the six figures starting, and consulting firms like you because they can call you an expert in whatever to your clients. The only downside is potentially long work hours and travel.

PhDs need to know their worth. You have credibility just because you have "Dr" in front of your name, learn how to use it.

>> No.10171851
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10171851

>>10170946
>Shalom, you are hired
This. But it's even worse.

Jews can get a Job without even a degree.

Non-Jews can get unemployed both as:
over-qualified PhD or under-qualified BSc

>> No.10172075

>>10171851
Just larp as a Jew then

>> No.10172113

>>10171182
hilarious

>> No.10172430

>>10170050
Well at least you can be sure that you wont be the overqualified one after that explanation

>> No.10172434

>>10170201
I fucking hate women

>> No.10172444

>>10170038
You'd get someone who spent 3-5 years dicking around with a hyperspecialized (and probably irrelevant to you) subject instead of accruing job experience, and who expects an increased salary without commensurate skills for having that piece of paper as well.

>> No.10172456

>>10171751
Are there any good sources of information on consulting positions?

>> No.10172481

>>10170007
kak no one on this site has a phd lmfeo

>> No.10172497

>>10170050
Just send your prospective employer this post and explain that you wrote it despite having a PhD. They will understand that you are stupid enough to do the job.

>> No.10172501

>>10170050
your saying its a monkey job so mentioning the type of person you would hire would have to concern attributes not qualifications in reality but also in reality seeing as you are extremely overqualified for the sake of argument, they are probably seeing salary as a liability and in reality it could also cause an issue in the economy if they started giving entry level jobs best suited for novices to expert professionals even if both seek experience, yes its all bullshit, its sad they couldnt give you a placement after school, if i was a school administarot i would fight day and night to develop some kind of program insurance for people who compelete programs to that degree to find some kind of employment, i think they deserve security being as that its not in like culinary arts or something but what you are experiencing is the nature of job hunting today, at least you are go beyond criteria most people dont even satisfy criteria

>> No.10172507

>>10170201
how can you be a god like level google searcher, what a fuckin goof lmfeo what hes talking about is research and analyzation, everyones a master of google fuck, dont like his chances of success desu

>> No.10172907

>>10172481
undergrads should be banned on sight on this board

>> No.10173027

>>10170220
The number of research positions is vastly smaller than the number of candidate phds, a 20 second google search would tell you this.

>> No.10173032

>>10173027
No it isn't.

>> No.10173463

>>10170317
jon btfo

>> No.10173501

>>10170499
>PhDs are highly sought after.
The problem is that jobs that require PhDs are even MORE sought after, plus literally anyone with actual work experience in the field is more valuable than a PhD.
Why should a company hire you and train/develop you when you'll just leave for another company in a couple years, when instead they could just hire someone away from another company and let that other company sink money into training you and giving you experience?

>> No.10173502

>>10173032
Sorry, you're not qualified for this job, >>10170201
you obviously aren't Savvy in using Google.

>> No.10173508

>>10170807
Yours is even worse because it includes your unnecessary preconceived opinion about the cognitive capabilities of the person who would take such a job.

>> No.10173564

>>10172497
Best in this thread

>> No.10173822

>>10170201
was it an application for reddit?

>> No.10174681

>>10172501
I think I got brain cancer from trying to read this. Ever heard of a period?

>> No.10174700

>>10172497
i think because i had a typo where the word 'hires' is substituted instead of 'uses', the meaning is lost. nobody has even caught the essence of what i was implying which is pretty funny.
i just meant phds are good at, and only interesting in doing, one specific activity, and that's not the one most jobs need

>> No.10174949

>>10173502
When people talk about a shortage of jobs for PhDs, they mostly mean academic jobs, which is true. But there are countless research positions in industry, and a PhD basically allows you to sell yourself as an expert in your field, which is important for many jobs not directly related to research. There really isn't a meaningful number of unemployed stem PhDs out there.

>> No.10174954

>>10172444
If you're a PhD and are applying to a job that doesn't AT LEAST require a master's, you're doing something very wrong. Why are dumbasses with advanced degrees applying to bachelors positions?

>> No.10174959

>>10174700
That's actually a retarded thing to say. Most employers (unless it's a specific research position) won't understand or care about your specific project, just tell them you have a PhD in Biochemistry or whatever. PhDs obviously have a shit ton of other skills needed to work on their projects in the first place.

>> No.10175090

> swiss

why swiss lol