/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10161531]

>/sci/ wants to terraform Mars
Plebs. The patrician choice is Venus. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.10161544]

>>10161531
>terraforming
Leave gravity wells for the plebs and bioengineered transhumans. Orbital habs, comet farms, and asteroid mines are the way to go.

[Anonymous No.10161559]

>>10161531

[Anonymous No.10161565]

>>10161531
>"terraform mars" thicken the atmosphere beyond the armstrong limit by melting frozen co2 with reflectors or nukes, so that people can walk on the surface without full pressure suits, reduce radiation and meteor risk, and create environment for liquid water and primitive vegetation
>"terraform venus" - (step 1) create gigantic planet sized solar shade at L1 and wait 100 years for the atmosphere liquefy then dip into the oceans of liquid nitrogen and begin mining the co2 ice away while trying to survive the horrors of a super heated volcanically active planet that was refrigerated as if thrown into outer space and don't forget introducing hydrogen through cometary impacts

I vote Mars. Venus is a whore.

[Anonymous No.10161571]

>>10161559
>logical fallacy
First resort of the pseud. If you have no substantive answer, just admit it.

[Anonymous No.10161578]

>>10161531
>talking about terraforming other planets when we can't even terraform deserts on Earth
What's the point?

[Anonymous No.10161581]

>>10161531
Yes, send the fatcats to get crushed on Venus' sky.
Mars is much better.

[Anonymous No.10161586]

>>10161578
Not happening because niggers and environmentalists. The moon is probably easier to terraform.

[Anonymous No.10161590]

>>10161578
Mars and Venus don't have shitskins, for one.
Two, you want a backup in case of meteors and such.
Three, the challenges of doing it on another planet are different, and allow for a wider range of freedom of action. It's also much more informative.

[Anonymous No.10161723]

>>10161531
>terraforming
>any planet
>>>/lit/

[Anonymous No.10162109]

Venus

Battery acid atmosphere. Surface temperatures casn melt lead. Surface pressures that crush submarines.

Rampant volcanism and earthquakes from thin crust.

116 earth days long venusian day. No seasons and nights as warm as days.

[Anonymous No.10162187]

>>10161531
based and redpilled
lmaoing at all these seething muskbros itt

[Anonymous No.10162224]

>>10161531
>/sci/ wants to terraform

no

[Anonymous No.10162234]

>>10161531

Airships in the upper Atmosphere of Venus definitely. But, terraforming the surface of Venus is gonna be a tough nut to crack.

A job for robots and AI's in 30+ years

[Anonymous No.10162236]

>>10161531
>t. Soviet rocket scientist

[Anonymous No.10162411]

>>10162234
This. Mars is a desert. Gravity is low. Jello people. More potential fuel on Venus.
>>10162109
>battery acid atmosphere
In either case, we aren’t breathing there. At least if we change the atmosphere on Venus it has the gravity to keep it.

[Anonymous No.10162418]

>>10161531
>terraforming Venus
>ishygddt

[Anonymous No.10162458]

>>10162418
>I’m smarter than Carl Sagan

[Anonymous No.10162472]

>>10162411
Add a super magnet satellite at Mars Sun L1, and Mars can hold an atmosphere. Just need to crash a few comets into it every century.

Mars' biggest problem is the .33 earth gravity.

[Anonymous No.10162613]

>>10162234
Yes. Airship cities doubling as solar shades while converting co2 from the atmosphere and soaking up the other warming gasses.

You get habitat, industry, energy and terraforming with one step.

This most probably would be the best use of resources once space indistry really takes off.

We can deal with the surface after dealing with the atmosphere. Condensation of water in the atmosphere and formation of lakes if not seas or oceans would begin the lengthy process of tectonic plate formation.

[Anonymous No.10162622]

The virgin mars and venus vs the chad "Death Star" Ceres

[Anonymous No.10162648]

>>10162622
Along with Callisto. They are both very similar although Callist may be better prected from radiation due to its proximity to Jupiter.

Not without unique engineering challenges. How to provide appropriate gravity. How to get through a high pressure liquid ocean so you can access the heavier metals. Lower solar radiation will likely render solar uneconomical.

Some other stuff to consider.

[Anonymous No.10162652]

>>10162622
That's Mimas, not Ceres.

[Anonymous No.10162654]

>>10162648
Dwarf planet/major asteroid gravity is insignificant. So you just excavate a cylinder into the body and build an oneil cylinder in it.

[Anonymous No.10162671]

>>10162654
The structural layers of these bodies may not be ideal. Both are likely still cryogenically active and this places additional engineering strains upon a ring you could build around the equator.

The structure is essentially a thin eggshell consisting primarily of hydrated and mineralised clays atop a thin layer of ice.

Below this is an ocean of water containing ammonia and other liquids with antifreeze properties. This is the source of the cryogenic eruptions and fracturing of the surface.

Finally there is a rocky layer surrounding a dense and still warm core.

So the science thusfar theorises.

It's a problem. However not insurmountable.

[Anonymous No.10162680]

What is the best and indisputable option for life outside the earth?

The redpill choice unironically...

[Anonymous No.10162687]

>>10162680
Oneil Cylinders in lagrange orbits.

[Anonymous No.10162692]

I'm going back to the "Mars Wars" thread. You motherfuckers are too smart. Let me know what you come up with.