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There is no "working" system to catch adverse events with vaccines.

VAERS is the only system used and it has been stated by the CDC, FDA, IOM, HHS and even Stanly Plotkins the godfather of vaccines himself as unreliable. How can you say vaccines don't cause injuries if you aren't even looking or keeping track of them?

Sources:

https://healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
>fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.

https://www.congress.gov/106/crpt/hrpt977/CRPT-106hrpt977.pdf
>Former FDA Commissioner David A. Kessler has estimated that VAERS reports currently represent only a fraction of the serious adverse events

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html
>Limitations
>It is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event.
>It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK190028/
>This one study (Geier and Geier, 2004) was not considered in the weight of epidemiologic evidence because it provided data from a passive surveillance system and lacked an unvaccinated comparison population.
(it used VAERS which is a passive surveillance system)

https://youtu.be/rUaOkKUXYek?t=286
>I don't really put much faith into the VAERS system for a number of reasons

So we don't have ANY working injury reporting system that all of these major institutions are calling a failure and I'm supposed to believe that vaccine injuries are non existent? How about we do that for cancer, let's stop looking for it and pretend it doesn't exist, that should solve the problem.
You can believe vaccines are safe sure, about as safe as injecting random chemicals into your blood, they haven't been studied but neither have vaccines.

>> No.10158715

>>10158678
Don't forget that on nearly every vaccine insert, you'll find the same phrase:
>[Vaccine] has not been tested for mutagenic potential, carcinogenic potential, or impairment of fertility.

Their trials have "placebo" groups which still inject toxic materials, and then limit the time to note adverse events to small windows of a few days.

They're now looking for every possible way to force people to have them short of holding you down and injecting it. That will probably come later the way we're going.

>> No.10158724

Don't know shit here. But can't kids still spread shit even if they were vaccinated against said shit? Like its relying on the altruism of the collective? (We see how that works in traffic.) should there be a point where we stop fighting rare third world sickness or we just make it stronger. Are the statistics that you are more likely to die of chicken pox, or the vaccine? If everyone else vaccinated, why should I have too?

>> No.10158725

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Gardasil-VAERS-Reports.pdf

Recorded by the CDC 1,637 cases HPV vaccine caused harm

>> No.10158742

>>10158724
It's proven you can spread pertussis from the vaccine, it's called viral shedding. If you've been vaccinated against it, you should avoid babies at all costs because you are VERY likely to spread it to them.

>> No.10158777

>>10158725
At the risk of derailing this thread, I think it's fairly obvious this stuff is intended to sterilize people.

>> No.10158782

>>10158777
Very likely, especially the HPV vaccine being the biggest offender.
Though I don't want this thread derailed into several didn't topics on vaccines, I want to focus on the fact that there is no injury reporting system so how can we say vaccines don't cause injuries.

>> No.10158814

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6lm2SqnbJA

>> No.10158852

>>10158724
>If everyone else vaccinated, why should I have too?
1) Not everyone else is vaccinated. Children too young for the vaccine, old people who grew up before the vaccine, and people allergic to the vaccine are all unprotected. And in the case of young children, they are very vulnerable too.

2) Consider a hypothetical. Population A is 10,000 people. 500 per year suffer from disease X. A vaccine is developed for disease X that's 100% effective, everyone gets the vaccine. Next year, 0 people get disease X, it goes extinct and never infects anyone ever again. Some time later, the population comes in contact with, and starts suffering from disease Y. A vaccine that is 100% effective is invented. But Jenny McCarthy says it causes autism, so only 90% of the population gets vaccinated. The remaining 1000 people don't. Disease Y continues infecting people in the non-vaccinated group. Some time later, because Disease Y was not eradicated, it develops resistance to the vaccine and now all 10,000 are vulnerable again.

>> No.10158873

>>10158852
>The product is really bad and if unless everyone gives pharma their money, it doesn't work. Instead of blaming the company for selling a bad product, blame your neighbor for not buying the snake oil in a needle.

>> No.10158881

>>10158873
What do you think happened to Polio?

>> No.10158938

>>10158678
The evidence supporting efficacious results with vaccines is SO MINDBOGGLING LARGE. I don't care if 100k kids die from getting vaccines. They are still worth it.

>> No.10158962

>>10158881
>what is plumbing
>>10158938
Okay, let us test your titers then. Shouldn't be a problem if we get to test them after the 2nd mmr dose and they definitely would show that it's still effective.

>> No.10159021

>>10158852
Considered. This seems bs free. A lot of things do not. When I (muh wife) had our child, it was difficult to consider the people of the world when they inform you of the risks. Especially when they vaccinate against a bunch of bull that we never worried about when I was a kid. We let him have the shot. He is pretty goddamn dumb but, so are the rest of the kids I see.