ADHD

[Anonymous No.10144487]

is it real?

[Anonymous No.10144517]

>>10144487
yes. the ability to focus, or direct attention towards something is a skill that must be learned and honed like literally everything else. if peoples development get fucked up the will not be able to exercise the ability to focus, and voila - adhd

[Anonymous No.10144634]

>>10144487
It's rather a complex disorder, and it certainly exists, and a great amount of care should be taken to diagnose it - especially in kids. It shouldn't be considered a mental illness per se, but rather a neurodevelopmental disorder like autism. And ADHD is a misnomer; it's much more than just attention and hyperactivity.

[Anonymous No.10144644]

>>10144487
No. Just like PTSD is not real.
Both are just excuses

[Anonymous No.10144647]

>>10144644
>le toughen up kid
You'd make a good father, anon.

[Anonymous No.10144654]

>>10144487
adhd is just what happens when someone goes so long without practicing paying attention that it becomes very extremely difficult to even start paying attention. If someone goes their whole childhood without learning to pay attention even a little bit, then the problem typically carries on into adulthood.

[Anonymous No.10144659]

>>10144647
So I have been told

[Anonymous No.10144669]

>>10144654
ADHD isn't an attention problem in the way you think it is; it is problem with behavioral inhibition: the ability to sustain your attention across the time and towards your goal, and to resist/overcome distractions in the that period, and therefore, a problem to keeping your goal in your mind - that is, your short term memory is shut and you keep spacing in and out. And you don't "learn" to pay attention.

[Anonymous No.10144741]

>>10144487
It's real only in America.

[Anonymous No.10144754]

>>10144517
Yeah, I should quit meds and just man up like you do anon! WOW all these years I've just used ADHD as a crutch if only I had sooner realized the truth!

[Anonymous No.10144759]

>>10144487
Yes it is. I miss a 2 litre bottle of soda in front of me sometimes when I go to specifically get it.

[Anonymous No.10144794]

>>10144754
Your sarcasm made me realize how right you are. You should definitely keep on taking small doses of meth everyday so that you can read one chapter in a book and write a 3 page essay. The younger you start taking the meth, the better. Otherwise you might not be so quick to get addicted - not good if you want to one day be able to read 35 pages of fiction and write a 7 page essay.
Or worse... an undergrad thesis. Your final boss battle. You're gonna have to write a MINIMUM of 20 pages! Can you imagine! Hopefully you will literally be snorting adderall every 3 hours by that point.

[Anonymous No.10144797]

>>10144759
>I miss a 2 litre bottle of soda in front of me sometimes when I go to specifically get it
Wow that is such a mental illness my friend.. So sad. You should definitely be snorting meth in order to sometimes not miss that 2 litre bottle of soda.

[Anonymous No.10144798]

>>10144794
I'm doing a PhD studying the computational capabilities of neural tissue senpai, but keep projecting about how hard undergrad was for you

[Anonymous No.10144910]

>>10144798
Wow I'm sure nobody else has ever done a PhD like that! You must be so smart and so special, anon! You certainly sound smart with all those "compuper capablities" and "neo tissue" (whatever those mean lol, such complicated words!)

No, forget about all the friggin billions of chineses and indians and the rest of the world studying the exact same thing and not taking a single dose of any drug, except caffeine maybe. (also except for ginseng or some alternative medicine shit) Yea you should definitely continue taking small doses of meth everyday so that you don't fall behind because it's just so difficult for such a special little snowflake like you to study something so complicated as neuroscience, isn't it!

[Anonymous No.10145028]

>>10144910
You're just salty they haven't come up with medicine to treat autism :^)

[Anonymous No.10145034]

>>10145028
Why is it that all meth heads feel the need to justify their habits? Y'all gonna get into a 4 post convo with an anon just to prove to yourself that you're not just a druggie

[Anonymous No.10145037]

>>10144794
Funny how I'll informed you are. Only about 50% of people with ADHD still have it when they are adult. Also, taking meds early is crucial since it has be found that amphetamines on the developing brain has neurogenesing effects which leads to a more neurotypical brain several years later.

I'm doing my masters in physics now and realized a year ago that I have ADHD. Not everyone is a brainlet. Fucking pleb

[Anonymous No.10145047]

>>10145034

[Anonymous No.10145094]

>>10145034
they're on meth, anon. of course they're gonna reply and reply and reply.

[Anonymous No.10145126]

>>10145037
>kids taking meth will lead to more neurotypical brains several years later

[Anonymous No.10145137]

>>10144669
but behavior is voluntary. All behavioral disorders are memes and are purely how someone chooses to be. Name 1 behavioral disorder that is involuntary. ADHD only becomes real when someone VOLUNTARILY chooses to live in such an absent minded way that it becomes an ingrained habit that has to be worked out of. Nobody is born with ADHD and, although hard, should be treated with therapy rather than meds only if the person cannot overcome their bad habit on their own.

[Anonymous No.10145147]

>>10145137
lmao why are u depressed dude just b happy

[Anonymous No.10145151]

>>10144634
>ADHD
>Like autism
It's not true! Right anon?

[Anonymous No.10145156]

>>10145147
depression isn't a behavioral disorder. At least learn how to read before replying to me ever again.

[Anonymous No.10145175]

>/sci/ - Postulates & Neorationalism

[Anonymous No.10145178]

>>10144487
ADHD is real but its overdiagnosed and in most cases doesnt have a big impact on someones life. Usually more used just as a scapegoat for those who have it.

[Anonymous No.10145203]

>>10145178
It's in the definition for an ADHD diagnosis that is HAS to have a big impact on someone's life, as most of the symptoms by themselves are completely ordinary for people to experience.

And using a disagnosis as a scapegoat is not the fault of the diagnosis or its definition.

When you see people that aren't affected in any big way, it's likely because they're already medicated, and aware of how to work with the poor habits they picked up while unmedicated.

If they feel a need to talk about it all the time to excuse shitty behavior, they can fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.10145213]

Obligatory viewing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjlFqgRbICY

[Anonymous No.10145214]

>>10145156
Is ADHD a behavioural disorder then?

[Anonymous No.10145236]

>>10145214
It's a condition where not all parts of the brain are awake at the same time, and some constantly are about to fall asleep.

This prompts close-by areas to overperform, in an attempt to stimulate the dozing neighbor.

Classify that however you wish.

[Anonymous No.10145241]

>>10144487
yes

[Anonymous No.10145242]

>>10145214
yes, ADHD is a (behavioral disorder).

[Anonymous No.10145284]

>>10145214
>Unabbreviated name for condition literally contains descriptions of behavior and the word disorder

[Anonymous No.10145316]

>>10145284
I thought ADHD wasn't real?

[Anonymous No.10145337]

>>10145316
Wait, who are you talking to now?

[Anonymous No.10145544]

ITT: People without ADHD who think they know what they are talking about

[Anonymous No.10145555]

>>10144487
Complete hoax. It’s literally (((them))) trying to dope white male children for not wanting fitting into a feminist education system and sitting in a desk 12 +hours a day.

https://www.cchrint.org/2013/10/30/adhd-is-a-fictitious-disease/

Leon (((Eisenberg))). Every single time.

[Anonymous No.10145688]

>>10145555
Since I've started on ritalin I've become Chad and have fugged way more chicks. Have fun with you jew conspiracies though

[Anonymous No.10145862]

>>10144487
this whole thread made me lol

[Anonymous No.10146420]

If you need adderall to pass a simple class you're adhd. If you don't have adhd these study pills will have no effect. A lot of people are under/not diagnosed and end up dropping out of school.

[Anonymous No.10148027]

ADHD is a result of abuse. It persists because abusers and abused prefer the diagnoses and the accompanying support systems it comes with. The same goes for depression.

Worst part is these individuals shouldn't be taken lightly. They, too, are capable of abusing and often do.

[Anonymous No.10148959]

ADHD is real. Your brain lags in development from a normal brain. There are a lot of misconceptions about ADHD, but those who have it are actually retarded and taking medication helps them to learn and function like those who have a normal working brain.

Lag in maturation of the brain’s intrinsic functional architecture in attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191792/

Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder is characterized by a delay in cortical maturation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2148343/

[Anonymous No.10148967]

>>10144487
Yes. The profiteering and drug peddling is actually built on something that is real in many ways. The actual causes though, will never be legitimately discussed or acted on by the mainstream.

[Anonymous No.10148982]

>>10144487
It’s real, some people have a lower attention span than others.

[Anonymous No.10149109]

>>10144487
>Do different people have different concentration/energy abilities based on neurological differences?
Of course.
>This that enough to define a disease
Obviously not

Do people really not see the distinction? There are a thousand different neurological pathologies that can cause headaches. Does that mean that there is a real medical condition called Headache Disorder? It's absolutely ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10149116]

>>10144487
>Try to play professional baseball
>Suck
>Take steroids
>Start hitting homeruns
>Wow, I guess I had a steroid deficiency

Oh God, you people are retarded. Yes, I know stimulants made you think faster. That doesn't mean you had a disease that was cured by stimulants.

[Anonymous No.10149139]

>>10144487
>ADHD

> Have 3 brothers and father with ADHD

> Yes it is real

> They cannot keep goals in their heads for more than 10 seconds.

> Conversation veers all over the place

> If you want to keep to a topic for 3 minutes they accuse you of being obsessive

> The only one who did well was the one who couldn't take the meds due to they caused heart problems

ADHD meds are garbage, do not help. After a few years you are back to baseline and have to take the meds to be no better than you were before.

> ADHD is not a shortage of dopamine

ADHD is an underdeveloped right frontal cortex and weak connections back to the limbic system. So, no constancy of goals, no control of emotions.

The irony was during my childhood they thought (and still do, to a degree still think) that I was the odd one out.

[Anonymous No.10149145]

>>10149109
Right because inability to concentrate and headaches are symptoms, not the disease itself.

>>10149139
Someone with ADHD needs to develop habits to help them cope with their disadvantages, most likely through behavioral coaching or some sort of therapy. Meds alone won't solve shit.

[Anonymous No.10149148]

>>10145034
>meth heads
I bet meth heads don't forget to take their pills.

[Anonymous No.10149226]

>>10149148
Oh god this happens to me so often

[Anonymous No.10149230]

>>10144669
Uhhh yeah you do. I had ADHD growing up. Then I did therapy with a psychologist that was a monk for a bit and he taught me mindfulness.

[Anonymous No.10149248]

>>10144487
Totally misdiagnosed and over-diagnosed, But ADHD is absolutely real and people who have it respond much differently than normal people to amphetamine treatment.

[Anonymous No.10149264]

>>10149248
I wonder how they respond to it. I have ADHD and every time someone asks me if they can try my meds I tell them no.

[Anonymous No.10149319]

>>10149264
They respond the same as you. Its actually underdiagnosed. It's hard for some people to get prescriptions and they're the ones that drop out of school. Must be nice to have something that fixes you. Imagine all the others who can't pay attention worth shit but can't get a prescription either.

[Anonymous No.10149443]

>>10149145
>Someone with ADHD needs to develop habits to help them cope with their disadvantages, most likely through behavioral coaching or some sort of therapy. Meds alone won't solve shit.

Totally agree. As I mentioned, the only brother who has done well was the one who can't take meds.

This forced him to actually deal with it, which he did. The others use the meds as a crutch.

Similar with SSRIs and anti-anxiety meds and, to an extent, anti-psychotics. They avoid rather than fixing the problem.

SSRIs and benzos stop people dealing with their shit. Not that different from alcohol, though at least they don't destroy your liver.

[Anonymous No.10149451]

>>10149443
Yeah that's the biggest issue, people think that the meds "cure" ADHD and that's the end of it. But it's just a tool to help with recovery.

[Anonymous No.10149470]

>>10149264
If you have ADHD, amphetamines calm down your hyperactivity and enable you to focus.
If you don't have ADHD, amphetamines make you hyper.
When I was a teen someone once """accidentally""" took one of my Desoxyn and told me it made them feel like they were going to have a heart attack and it kept them awake all night with their heart pounding.

[Anonymous No.10149474]

>>10149470
I feel pretty relaxed and calm when I take my meds... I have no trouble sleeping while on them.

[Anonymous No.10149477]

>>10144669
>paying attention
>being able to inhibit distraction
Same thing.

[Anonymous No.10149722]

>>10149451

I pitch them to ADHD people with the idea that the drugs can help you form new habits of mind, which you can then take into non-drug life.

But nearly all of them use them as a crutch.

Still, not as bad as alcoholic friends who say they "need" alcohol because without it they feel sad/depressed. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.10149753]

>>10144654
kill yourself retard

[Anonymous No.10149883]

>>10144487
Yea, it's probably overdiagnosed, but I have a cousin with it and he legit has the attention span of a housefly.

[Anonymous No.10149892]

>>10148027
You must have a broad definition of abuse. ADD ain't real. Neurological is real psychological is bs

[Anonymous No.10149918]

>>10145126
Prescibed meth makes me stronger, senpaitachi. Albeit, I'm taking vyvanse -- which releases gradually unlike the instantaneous highs (and equally jarring lows) offered by pleb drugs like adderall. I fail to see any issue with it. I'll happily take it for the rest of my life.

[Anonymous No.10149954]

>ITT people without ADHD
It's real as fuck.
It's why coke calms me and other people with ADHD the fuck down instead of wiring us up.

[Anonymous No.10150003]

I'm jealous of those with ADHD. I had to see a psychiatrist three times as a kid because I guess teachers would recommend me or some shit. Never got diagnosed. Concetrating is hard af and I dropped out of college twice. I wish I got a magic pill that would at least let me function and not literally stare at a blank screen document for 12hrs.... oh well.

[Anonymous No.10150895]

>>10149145
>Right because inability to concentrate and headaches are symptoms, not the disease itself.
You didn't understand my point. Yes, inability to concentrate is a symptom. However, there are likely thousands of different underlying problems that could cause it; and therefore, concluding that all concentration problems are the result of a single disease called ADHD is as ridiculous as concluding that all headaches are caused by a single disease called headache disorder

[Anonymous No.10151035]

I've been doing limited amateur research on it and it's so much more than I thought it was. I heard the "it's overdiagnosed" meme for years. Until I actually started looking what it was instead of what people said it was that I realized that I have a lot of symptoms. I was never hyper like it's stereotyped to be so I obviously was never interested in looking what it actually is.

That being said there are a lot of cringy things that are said about it on both sides. It's not some fake disorder, but it's also not completely crippling and lol so randumb like some people say it is. Even someone who feels like they might have it I'm sometimes just amazed at how some people act and describe their actions. It just seems like they're not trying hard enough. It's really hard to properly diagnose. I feel like it's possible that it's overdiagnosed but if those people get help and do better then I fail to see the problem. I've seen credible reports that it's possibly underdiagnosed in adults, up to I think either 2.5% or 5% of all adults have significant symptoms.

>>10150003
You should try again, and at least have a therapist.

[Anonymous No.10151039]

>>10151035
I also want to say that I've been pleasantly surprised by the support from /adv/ to /sci/ when someone brings this topic up. Sure there are some shitters but most people really just suggest to talk to a professional about it and genuinely want people to be their best.