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10140202 No.10140202 [Reply] [Original]

How come domestic dogs can range from small to big but domestic cats are always small little fellas?
Especially when big cats are bigger than wolves.

>> No.10140280

>>10140202
Cats are harder to train so there wasn't much use for the bigger ones.

>> No.10140307

>>10140202
because domestic cats did not evolve from big cats lol

>> No.10140317

>>10140307
Maybe cats didn't evolve at all because unlike dogs they have a soul like humans maybe that's why Muhammad (phuh) liked them.

>> No.10140685

bump

>> No.10140692

>>10140202
You never saw a Norwegian Forest cat then?

>> No.10140709
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10140709

>implying

>> No.10140720

>>10140202
big cats are more trouble than they're worth, sure they'd make good hunting buddies for example but they're energy needs would mean that they'd need most of the game for themselves unlike hunting dogs which can make do on scraps

and small cats are in contrast very inexpensive since even if you dont feed them they can manage for themselves

>> No.10140805
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10140805

some doges got bred for bigness
some kots are too

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10140813

post catto of incredibly high large

>> No.10140815

>>10140317
Word

>> No.10140822
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>> No.10140825

you know how sometimes the cat gets pissed from getting pet too much and bites you lightly or scratches you for no reason? Imagine a cougar doing that and there is your answer

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10140834

white people, you so crazy

>> No.10140851
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>>10140805
>>10140813
>>10140822
>>10140834
I want a huge fuggin cat now. But one that's self aware like file related, not the dumb ones. I had a cat that was dumb as shit and one that could use a door handle mid-air (jumping and grabbing) to open doors.

>> No.10140853

>>10140825
They only do that if you're retarded

>> No.10140876

>>10140827
As much as I like animals it always makes me nervous when people leave their baby next to their cat/dog.

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>>10140876
Every time a pit mauls the offspring of dumb parents, the human species becomes a little bit smarter.

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>>10140202
dogs were originally favored for their work characteristics, so a certain amount of form was selected for function, and this happened consistently over a long time. it set a good stage for mixing mutant and recessive genes to get show dogs as well.
since cats are not work animals, there wasn't as much focus on breeding, so not as much variation.
the other thing is going up in size is much more difficult than going down, so cats are never going to display as much variation in size regardless.

>> No.10140962

>>10140202
Because cats are never really domesticated. How house cats behave is how stray, and wild cats behave for the most part. If you have ever had a cat you may have noticed that, occasionally, for no apparent reason, they lose their shit and claw, bite, or otherwise attack you. This would be a huge problem if they were large enough to do any damage(see Seigfried and Roy), but since domestic cats are tiny most people just find it cute. Cats lack a pack mentality, and thus can never be 100% committed to their owners. They may like you, but if it came down to their survival, they would kill you if necessary. Dogs, on the other hand, are descendants of wolves who have strong pact bonds. Dogs have also been artificially selected by humans for thousands of years to be less aggressive, and more loyal. The pact mentality is what results in some dogs who will murder people who try to attack their owner, even at the cost of their own life. Large cats will never be a common pet, because every once in a great while, large cats will kill their owners when they forget to feed them. Not because they are angry, but because they are hungry and give zero fucks where their food comes from.

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>>10140317
based

>> No.10140997

>>10140962
>occasionally, for no apparent reason, they lose their shit and claw, bite, or otherwise attack you
Hahahaha yeah sure. what >>10140853 said.
They always have a reason to do that, you just don't understand their mentality, that's all. The key is being able to tell what pisses them off and when they're okay with what you're doing with them.
The part about dogs it's true - wolves inherited this characteristic from wolves. They defend their pack as if it was their own pups and they are capable of counting their human friends as one of their own pack.
> Large cats will never be a common pet, because every once in a great while, large cats will kill their owners when they forget to feed them. Not because they are angry, but because they are hungry and give zero fucks where their food comes from.
Never heard about any such case, have you got any reliable source?

>> No.10141033

Ah yes the Maine COON cat

>> No.10141066

>>10140851
i want genetically engineered cat the size of a tiger with human-level intelligence that i can ride and go on adventures with

>> No.10141071

>>10140851
My cat doesn't react to mirrors nor screens of any kind.
I don't know if it's a sign of intelligence or the opposite

>> No.10141088

>>10140202
Well like>>10140307 said kitties don’t come from large felids they’re related to small forest and desert cats and aren’t very malleable morphologically. the big dog breeds come from large wild dog and wolf ancestors so it was easy to make them into mutant machines. Also, cats aren’t really cooperative or good at following orders, they’re not stupid just hard to domesticate like octopuses or hyenas
>>10140317
based and catpilled

>> No.10141092

>>10140202
because dog people being more competent managed to domesticate their pets and select for traits of choice
cat people being shut-in incels only managed to make sure their pet wouldn't actively despise them or avoid their presence (occasionally)

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>>10140202
pic related

>> No.10141151

>>10140317
We eat cats in my country

>> No.10141218

>>10141151
what does it taste like?

>> No.10141724

>>10140307
literally what, cats and dogs diverged 40-35 million years ago in North America.

Large cats were the reason the other dog species went extinct. Theres no reason feral cats couldn't evolve to be bigger, Lynx exist.

>> No.10141738

>>10141151
whats that taste like

>> No.10141758

>>10141218
like cat

>> No.10141759

Dogs are bred to have a variety of different uses, size being an important part of that. Cats on the otherhand are god perfected killing machines, and the only reason we have small cats as pets is because they can’t kill us.

>> No.10141778

>>10141738
Don’t know, I was exiled

>> No.10141935

>>10141071
That's a sign of intelligence. It recognizes itself and doesn't care.
The only other option is that it thinks it is another cat and still doesn't care, and that would be super rare. Cats don't like strange cats.

>> No.10141955

>>10141066
>no lady rainicorn gf

>> No.10142023

>>10141759
We have cats as pets because in the past killing mice and rats before they destroyed your grain stores was important.

>> No.10142025

>>10140834
HOLY MOTHERFUCK

>> No.10142107

>>10141778
well then you should have said they eat cats in my country, not we eat cats in my country

>> No.10142121

>>10142023
not really, cats aren't good pest control animals because they do what they want and you can hardly teach them otherwise (and arguably they're a pest themselves).
that's why people domesticated ferrets. small terriers are also superior pest control animals.
cats as a pest control is just a poor excuse cat fags use to justify letting their pets freely roam the neighborhood

>> No.10142717

>>10142121
I don't know anyone claiming pest control for letting pets go around the neighborhood in current year

>> No.10142813

>>10140876
cats dont eat their offspring like d*gs do

>> No.10142921

>>10142121
Cats are great for indoor pest control. Like if your house gets mice. My cat gets hyperfocused and ignores all else until the mouse is in his jaws.
Gas the people who allow their cats to roam outdoors though..

>> No.10142971

>>10142813
Yes, they absolutely do. I've seen it personally.

>> No.10142980

>>10141033
Hahaha like a NIGGER

>> No.10143131

>>10142921
Right, gas the people who don't control the animals.
Also gas the retards who kill/hurt the animal because their owners are shitty owners.

>> No.10143149

>>10140317
Machaallah based

>> No.10143157

>>10143131
No, that's retarded.

>> No.10143162

>>10140834
Is it a lynx?

>> No.10143175

>>10141066
It would kill you

>> No.10143178

>>10140851
That webm is fake and gay.

>> No.10143187

>>10143157
Everything about this is, so that's okay.

>> No.10143260

>>10140202
Big cats can't hunt mice.

>> No.10143271

>>10142121
There's no need to teach a hungry cat what to do.

>> No.10143280

>>10143178
you're mom gay lol

>> No.10143289

>>10143271
That's a pretty compelling argument if you consider every small animal to be a pest and you don't which gets killed and which don't

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Please do not post in this thread without including a cat pic. 4chan likes cats.

>>10140202
If domestic cats were big, we'd have all been eaten generations ago.

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>>10141066
This post is Cringer-inducing.

>> No.10143307

>>10143162
It's the rare Mongolian Shoop-lynx.

>> No.10143309

>>10141758
Saw that one coming.

>> No.10143481

>>10143289
I'm not really sure of any other small animals that would be not a pet yet exist in pet-having areas.
Usually the existence of humans destroys any nonpet animal areas, so the only ones that can live there anymore are humans, pets, and pests.

>> No.10143634

>>10143481
think harder

>> No.10143643

>>10142023
>>10143271
>Two main theories are given about how cats were domesticated. In one, people deliberately tamed cats in a process of artificial selection as they were useful predators of vermin.[45] This has been criticized as implausible, because the reward for such an effort may have been too little; cats generally do not carry out commands and although they do eat rodents, other species such as ferrets or terriers may be better at controlling these pests.[30] The alternative idea is that cats were simply tolerated by people and gradually diverged from their wild relatives through natural selection, as they adapted to hunting the vermin found around humans in towns and villages.

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durbo :DDD

>> No.10143712

>>10143634
I'm in the suburbs, only animals that ho outside are pests and dogs with the occasional hipster cat on a leash.
Small pets I imagine a cat catching are kept in their cages inside, so you're gonna need to help me out here.

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>>10140202
not enough chromosomes

>> No.10143803

>>10143712
>birds are pest

>> No.10143853

>>10143803
Yes, yes they are.
Birds that are not pests are killed off by human development, the cats don't come until after.

>> No.10143881

>>10143853
are hens a pest too?

>> No.10143888

>>10140317
mashallah bro

>> No.10143916

>>10143881
Like, chickens?
I guess not, but I don't really know much about raising them. Can cats open coups?

>> No.10143964

>>10143853
how about lizards? are they a pest?

>> No.10143969

>>10143964
That's pretty broad, but if we're talking about those tiny little guys all over screens in Florida, then yeah.

>> No.10143978

>>10143969
is anything besides cats not a pest?

>> No.10143980

>>10143969
>do literally nothing negative
>pests

>> No.10143987

>>10143980
They tear up the screens and dig tiny holes in the screen walls so spiders and other icky things get in.
They're gateway pests.

>> No.10143990

>>10143978
Humans, usually.

>> No.10143995

>>10143987
No they don't
They just sit around and do their stupid little pushups all days and eat the actual pests in your yard

>> No.10144000

>>10143990
so you conceive i was correct >>10143289

>> No.10144001

>>10143995
>No they don't
Then I guess my lizards just really hate me, going against the norm to spite me.

>> No.10144005

>>10144000
I'm not gonna go through every animal, but once humans set into an area and develop it, there's not really much left, so in those circumstances yeah you would be correct.

>> No.10144006

>>10144001
well you've said some mean things about them
only problem I've had with screens was some rodent gnawing its way in when I left food out

>> No.10144028

>>10142921
>as the people who allow their cats to roam outdoors though..
But my cat really likes going outside...

>> No.10144198

>>10141218
Like a true pussy.