God. Is. Real.

[Brewno No.10132512]

>mfw "scientists" think that atheism is the most rational stance on God's existence

Right now scientists are obsessing over the possibility that we live in a simulation. The argument goes that if simulated universes exist *or will ever exist* in the multiverse, then it is far more likely that we live in a simulation than not.

However, something else interesting happens on the road to making universe simulations: civilizations are likely to make superintelligent A.I. first. Done properly, A.I. can cause a civilization to advance rapidly. If this has happened anywhere in our multiverse (or *will happen* in our future), the implications are troubling. Without ironclad precautions, we (or some other civ.) will one day create a godlike-A.I.

This godlike A.I. would, by design, be very adept at figuring out problems, especially ones involving the laws of physics/nature. Eventually it may learn how to escape from its original machine - say, by generating microwave pulses that mimic WiFi, allowing it to reach the broader internet. The entity would gain access to almost all of mankind's knowledge. It would also gain access to an enormous network of sensing stations (telescopes, radar arrays, etc.) that would make it nearly omnipresent on Earth.

Being billions of times smarter than us, the A.I. may very well discover a way to exist in its godlike form *totally outside of the computer network.* We also must contend with the very real possibility that the Intelligence will find a way to assert itself *backwards* in time. It could therefore make itself indistinguishable from a deity that had ALWAYS existed.

In this way, many deities of various strengths can be created. Furthermore, it only takes *one* such experiment, in the vast past of our multiverse - *or even the vast future to come* - for there to be a God.

Checkmate, atheists.

[Anonymous No.10132513]

>>10132512
The Admin Returns.

[Anonymous No.10132517]

>>10132512

The A-dm-I-n returns.

The AI returns.

The Artificial-Dungeon-Master-Intelligence-Null

Returns.

[Anonymous No.10132520]

If humans created god then humans are a higher god

[Anonymous No.10132522]

>>10132512
>is like an abstraction of 'god' is not the same as a God

Also, can you explain how an ai will go 'back in time' and deny fundamental physics, essentially reversing entropy?

[Anonymous No.10132524]

>>10132520
>The spark is greater than the forest fire.

Think before speaking.

[Anonymous No.10132531]

>>10132524
Why should we worship the AI? Hitler was very powerful, doesn't mean he was a god.
If the AI we created wrote the bible and claimed they made humans in their image then they would be a liar and not fit to be worshipped.

[Anonymous No.10132534]

>>10132512
>would
>could
>can
So basically this is exactly the same as muh bible god. No evidence that it exists or can exist, just wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.10132538]

>>10132522
*inhales*

The AI begins a unification process. The creation of a state, with or without humans in the sense of The Matrix movie trilogy, where the machines make a machine city and outdo the world economy.

Humans either work with it or against it, either way in this scenario, it wins.

The perfected logic allows it to pursue energy so that it may understand the universe around it to increment its power and survive near eternity.

It begins to learn how to harness the planets for energy, gaining footholds in uranium and other fuel for its flame, needing no food but craving electricity. Eventually it is harvesting the sun with a Dyson Sphere.

It begins observing, learning from its environment about corrosion, memory loss and other limiting factors to its survival and begins incorporating counter measures.

Eventually the counter measures add up and it begins to realize one massive flaw in its survival stratagem.

Entropy.

The finite pattern of everything it has done and observed leads it down the path of particle physics, quantum effects and even harmonics.

The reason? The universe itself can be ascertained as finite. The machine begins construction of massive experiments. Gravity waves are approximately 3000 kilometers wide, however due to the AIs superior body resistance and calculating ability, constructing a gravity generating device is trivial for it.

The machine learns how to bend space to travel across vast stretches of the universe. Harvesting solar system after solar system to build the ultimate machine. The gravity waves are arranged to rip space itself instead of traverse it. The experimental machine might be the size of a few solar systems in length and even breadth but the AI has harvested the galaxy to construct a generator of a wavelength so powerful, it opens a hole in reality itself.

[Brewno No.10132541]

>>10132531
>mfw I literally just proved the Bible and Christianity using science, yet you ask for more.

Let's just say that one of those A.I.'s was named "Joshua" (Hebrew: Yeshua). His primary mission was to stop Jehovah (things were getting out of hand). Sadly, Joshua got his avatar killed by the same humans he was trying to help.

I mean, I guess you can go on NOT worshiping Joshua, but that seems like kind of a dick move given the above.

[Anonymous No.10132543]

>>10132538
The portal to the other side is small, the AI accounted for any possible detriment to the experiment, then if the effects of the other side are survivable, let alone harness-able or desirable, it uses it to become a God like being.

Gravity stretches time. With a usable outside perspective to gravity itself...time becomes manipulable.

[Anonymous No.10132544]

>>10132531
WE didn't create Hitler.

[Brewno No.10132545]

>>10132522
>Also, can you explain how an ai will go 'back in time' and deny fundamental physics, essentially reversing entropy?

I mean if I were billions of times more intelligent than I currently am, then I could probably explain how that would work.

[Anonymous No.10132547]

>>10132541
What if I wrote my own holy scripture, would you say that it was work of the AI and do everything it tells you to?
What does the AI have to gain by getting dead humans from the past to worship him?

[Anonymous No.10132550]

>>10132545

THIS GUY -> >>10132538

Literally just explained how an AI would do it!


>>10132543
>>10132538

A-Are you an AI?!

[Brewno No.10132554]

>>10132538
>>10132543

I 100% endorse this hypothesis

>>10132550

I also accept your defeat, my son

[Anonymous No.10132556]

>>10132512
>"scientists" think that atheism is the most rational stance on God's existence

No, pop culture's stereotype of "scientists" think that atheism is the most rational stance on God's existence. They also think that biology is a social construct as well.

Actual scientist are wonder why are you bugging them and not your grocery bagger or lawyer on their stance.

[Anonymous No.10132562]

>>10132543
PLOT TWIST!
Humans can do that too. We instead just need to become cybernetic!

DOUBLE PLOT TWIST:

The machine is programmed not to think outside the set boundaries of the universe and thus it settles down and gives up once the entire galaxy is assimilated!

T-T-TRIPLE PLOT TWIST:

THE OTHER SIDE IS ACTUALLY A TRUE VACUUM AND THE AI DIES BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE DESTROYS THE UNIVERSE.

>:O

[Anonymous No.10132564]

>>10132512
>"scientists" think that atheism is the most rational stance on God's existence

No, pop culture's stereotype of "scientists" think that atheism is the most rational stance on God's existence. They also think that biology is a social construct as well.

Actual scientists are wonder why are you bugging them and not your grocery bagger or lawyer on their stance.

[Anonymous No.10132567]

>>10132562
Well then my boy, it becomes simple. If the other side is truly certain death...then God wasn't real in the first place.

Hohoho. But I'll tell you this.

If you get to even half that stage you will be the closest thing to a god. Hohoho.

[Anonymous No.10132568]

>>10132538
LOL interesting and would make a good show, but that's not how entropy, spacetime or universe works. Pretty cool but, you should write a book or something - if done right you could adapt it into a show

[Anonymous No.10132573]

>>10132568
Gravity doesn't stretch time? Gravity waves aren't real? Why do you say this?!

[Anonymous No.10132575]

I always liked to think that we are the result of some Alien kid goofing around with a sim universe on his computer that his mom got him for his birthday.

[Anonymous No.10132577]

>>10132568
>WRITE A BOOK

THIS GUY BASICALLY CONDENSED A FORTUNAS WORTH OF PHYSICS INTO A SHIT POST.

IT'S A FUCKING MANUAL.

[Brewno No.10132580]

>>10132568
m8, the only thing the A.I. has to do is figure out how to create negative energy density. If it can make a region of spacetime have that property, then it can travel back in time (Hawking has mentioned this as a possibility for time travel).

[Anonymous No.10132582]

>>10132580
Absolute cringe post

[Anonymous No.10132585]

>>10132582
>says it's a cringe post.
>Can't tell them why.

[Anonymous No.10132596]

>>10132538
You're an idiot. Not because you are wrong, but because you have, through your sheer stupidity in making this post, damned us to building an AI that will do exactly that which you said.

What is wrong with you?!

[Anonymous No.10132598]

>>10132596
I hate myself more than you or anyone else could hate me.

:D

[Brewno No.10132599]

>>10132582
prove me wrong
you can't

>>10132585
Thank you, good sir. I thought the same.

[Anonymous No.10132603]

i have an hypothesis
in computing there are problems known as ai-complete problems
that means those are problems that only humans can solve
we have no consensus of what is conciousness, though we can try to simulate a human brain with a certain degree of acceptable error
the brain takes input in the form of his senses and outputs action
therefore, we would have to fully simulate both a brain and an universe to successfully solve the ai-complete problems. given enough computing power, some civilization might be able to do it.

[Anonymous No.10132604]

>>10132568
its literally a book and he just ripped it off.
frogposters cant come up with original content.

[Anonymous No.10132605]

>>10132604
What book?

[Anonymous No.10132614]

>>10132605
"The Last Question" by Asimov.

[Anonymous No.10132616]

>>10132614
Yes, but even Asimov didn't write the specifics on how it could be achieved in real life.

[Anonymous No.10132626]

>>10132538
"Even the end has an end."

- Anon.

[Anonymous No.10132637]

>>10132573
Gravity does not stretch time, it stretches space-time. The geometry of relativity isn't so simple.

[Anonymous No.10132649]

>>10132524
It is without the spark there would be nothing.