/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10100152]

> pseudoscientific
I think the science has settled.

[Anonymous No.10100155]

>>10100152

nice wikipedia faggot

[Anonymous No.10100158]

>>10100152
Psychology is also pseudoscience, so you have that

[Anonymous No.10100166]

>>10100152

[Anonymous No.10100172]

>if its a pseudoscience it has no truth at all to it

[Anonymous No.10100181]

>>10100172
> astrology got something right about starts so astrology is a legitimate science

[Anonymous No.10100185]

>>10100166
You’d see that average swiftly drop, supposing of course it is true, when the rats actually have to manage their own country with an underclass. What is the IQ of israel?

[Anonymous No.10100186]

>>10100185

less than 100

[Anonymous No.10100193]

>>10100172
And the converse of that. For some reason reddit-tier thinkers decided that "pseudoscience" needed to be abused as a term until it meant "something I don't agree with entirely". This is an actual example of it, though.

[Anonymous No.10100205]

>>10100181
>calling a superstition a pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.10100209]

>>10100205
>implying astrologers don't have peer-reviewed journals where they propose falsifiable mathematical models based on experimental observations and horoscope writers aren't just their version of engineers

[Anonymous No.10100233]

>>10100209
Astrology never caused intergenerational suffering of entire population groups.

[Anonymous No.10100235]

This is so obviously wrong. I don't understand. What proof do I need to show to convince people of differences between different ethnic groups? I genuinely want to know what evidence is needed.

Is it the minnesota transracial study that shows the expected difference in IQ in half-blacks even when told they were fully black and adopted by rich whites?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

Is it the discovery of MAO? The 'warrior gene' that is linked to aggression in Maoris and blacks?

https://www.warriorgene.info/

https://www.amren.com/features/2014/03/attack-on-the-regime/

Is it the use of culture blind intelligence tests finding a significant difference (two whole SDs) between working class london whites and zimbabwean children?

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/Rushton%2C%20J.%20Phillipe%20%26%20Arthur%20R.%20Jensen.%20%22African-White%20IQ%20differences%20from%20Zimbabwe%20on%20the%20Wechsler%20Intelligence%20Scale%20for%20Children-Revised%20are%20mainly%20on%20the%20g%20factor.%22%20Personality%20and%20Individual%20Differences%2034%20(2003).pdf

Do people who defend the credibility of conventional academia on these issues not know what happened to James Watson?

How can people believe that dogs have substantial racial differences in size, shape, colour, behaviour and intelligence, while people have differences in only size, shape and colour? Why must all humans be the same, where we have considerable genetic and statistical evidence that they aren't? Why could evolution possibly affect our bodies and not our brains?

I fully expect some bullshit response about how race can't be defined, ie that since the periodic table is a social construct, the elements dont exist.

[Anonymous No.10100260]

>>10100235
> amren
Can you link stormfront next time, you nazi dipshit?

[Anonymous No.10100276]

>>10100260

>one of his sources when talking about a not politically correct subject is not politically correct

Ah yes, bullshit response number 2 and a tasteful ad hominem. Forgot about that one. Would a black guy be more persuasive? I have a nigerian as well.

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/

https://rense.com/general78/blk.htm

I await to see your sources countering the minnesota adoption and those that deny the existance of MAO. I also want your explanation on why so many ashkenazi jews win science nobel prizes, while not a single subsaharan has ever gotten a physics, chemistry or physiology prize.

[Anonymous No.10100286]

>>10100276
>countering the minnesota adoption
There's no need. If you actually read it, you would know it doesn't agree with you.

[Anonymous No.10100323]

>>10100286

That isn't even a passable response. Please try harder to find an argument.

'On measures of cognitive ability (IQ tests) and school performance, black children in the U.S. have performed worse than white children. '

The adopting parents of 12 of the interracial children wrongly believed that their adopted children had two black parents. The average IQ of these 12 children was not significantly different from the scores of the 56 interracial children correctly classified by their adoptive parents as having one black and one white parent.[1]

For all measures, the children with two black parents scored lower than the children with one black and white parent, who in turn scored lower than the adopted children with two white parents

Even when they correct for flynn effect it shows im right.

They try and bullshit out a 'it can be used for either hereditary or non hereditary' at the end but it's pretty clear. No amount of fudging with statistics, flynn effect makes the 83.7 IQ average the same as a 101.

What it does not show is that all races have the same IQ at birth or that parents have more than a minor effect, all being 120 IQ.

[Anonymous No.10100345]

>>10100235
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
>Age 7 IQ always more than Age 17 IQ
Proof that we need to stop the old. Everyone above 20 will need to be terminated to keep society from dumbing down too much. 16-20 year olds will be for reproduction only.

[Anonymous No.10100348]

>>10100323
"The reasons for the IQ difference are genes that make the brain develop neurological pathways that aid in intelligence. These genes are found in white people but not niggers."

Why didn't you cite that part? Does it not exist?

[Anonymous No.10100350]

>>10100152
Science is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical evidence exists to support or justify empirical evidence. Historically, scientific ideas have received credence in the scientific community but are no longer considered scientific.

[Anonymous No.10100363]

>>10100323
>They try and bullshit out a 'it can be used for either hereditary or non hereditary' at the end but it's pretty clear.
Yeah no. It is very possible that the differences are due to worse prenatal conditions, which is something you would expect from parents that end up abandoning their child.

[Anonymous No.10100365]

>>10100286
It agrees with him, but it's a study that's hard to draw a useful conclusion from.

[Anonymous No.10100527]

there is nothing pseudo scientific about racial science at all

[Anonymous No.10100540]

>>10100348

I have many citations for you to ignore:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3182557/

https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/lynn-race-differences-in-intelligence.pdf

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/Race-differences-in-average-IQ-are-largely-genetic.aspx

These say it's genetics that lead to intelligence, directly supporting my claim. Regarding specific genes, it's more difficult since there are many genes involved that are involved. Any idiot would assume that hereditary intelligence differences are based on genes, but thats besides the point. Especially since we are all able to accept that blacks are genetically better at running and some physical activities.

It's enormously difficult for me to find specific genes that directly alter intelligence and that their distribution seeing as these fucking papers want me to pay to read moee than the abstract and the free genemappers have been moved around.

I welcome people to provide sources explaining why there is no genetic influence, the burden of proof rests on those who claim that all brains are the same.

[Anonymous No.10100563]

Bumped for laughing at the assblasted science/statistics deniers

[Anonymous No.10100574]

>>10100540
> files.wordpress.com
Somebody wrote some shit in wordpress. Well, the issue is settled then.

[Anonymous No.10100583]

>>10100185
if you take out arabs and mizrahim it would be over 100

[Anonymous No.10100593]

>>10100574

The wordpress site hosts the document. The document is 163 pages of Professor Richard Lynn, since I can't give you a book and tell you to read it. Clearly I can't give you a source and tell you to read that either.

All this thread seems to be is niggling complaints that sources people don't read have wordpress in the http address, rather than actual constructive debate.

[Anonymous No.10100594]

I mean it's pretty fucking obvious that it's real.

Skull shapes, facial structures, different bone densities. The fact that you can tell somebodies fucking race from a DNA test tells us that race is real.

There is no debate here, you're either a literal subhuman retard or a pathetic cuck who can't admit reality because it'll hurt your feelings.

[Anonymous No.10100601]

>/sci/ fags happily willing to admit that Asians are more intelligent due to their genetics
>as soon as you suggest that blacks are less intelligent because of their genetics they sperg out like the conditioned farm animals they are

A pathetic display to be honest. Imagine being such a cuck that you deny REALITY in order to defend black people.

[Anonymous No.10100604]

>>10100594

These people never cease to amaze me. They admit differences in colour, height and weight according to ethnicity. Then they refuse any belief that evolutionary effects extend to the brain, disputing that race exists despite the logical absurdity of the statement. They never provide sources.

[Anonymous No.10100686]

>>10100233
Empathy is a spook.

[Anonymous No.10100713]

>>10100540
>a study with no mention of race
>a personal blog by Richard Lynn
>some random article

Nope. You have yet to prove race even exists biologically, let alone demonstrate the gene-intelligence mechanism.

[Anonymous No.10100719]

>still can't define the difference between "black" and "white"
>Use self-description as primary research method
>But you can't be a girl and say you're a boy lol!!!!!
So which is it, retards?

[Anonymous No.10100721]

>>10100152
races don't exist, don't >> me

[Q No.10100921]

>>10100601
no faggot, chinks are smarter because the government beats multiplication tables up to 19x19 into the youth. If you grew up in a dictatorship maybe you'd be smarter too. Nothing to do with genetics

[Anonymous No.10100922]

>>10100193
you say it like /sci/ hasn't done it way before the whole reddit thing

[Anonymous No.10100923]

>>10100601
>cuck
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.10100952]

>>10100604
These people never cease to amaze me. They admit differences in colour, height and weight according to ethnicity. Then they refuse any belief that evolutionary effects extend to the ribosome, disputing that race exists despite the logical absurdity of the statement. They never provide sources.

[Anonymous No.10100958]

>>10100152
>I don't like it so it's pseudoscience
the absolute state of modern society

[Anonymous No.10100978]

>>10100181
I believe astrology is real. I don't believe it's a magical force though. I believe the alignments of certain celestial bodies have a gravitational influence on us. It may not be noticeable but every action has an equal and opposite reaction. There is no doubt in my mind that celestial bodies influence gravity.

[Anonymous No.10100983]

>>10100233
>Astrology never caused intergenerational suffering of entire population groups.
Objectively false.

[El Arcón No.10100996]

Case 1: Define race so that humans are all one race.
Case 2: Define race so that groups of humans which look materially different are different races.

It's not science or pseudo-science; it's semantics.

[Anonymous No.10101006]

>>10100996
This issue can be settled very easily.

1. Define race for non-human, sexually reproducing animal species.

2. See whether the definition applies to humans.

3. Accept the outcome regardless of one's political orientation.

This is actually an interesting question and I wish these threads didn't get infested by /pol/ und scientifically illiterate SJW lunatics EVERY SINGLE TIME.

[Anonymous No.10101065]

>>10100152
Gene denial (sometimes referred to as "racial sociology", "egalitarian marxism" or "leftism") is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical exists to support or justify anti-racism, white privilege, Lysenkoism, environmental determinism, the non-existence of race, genetic group differences or affirmative action. Historically, gene denial received credence in the scientific community but are no longer considered scientific.

[Anonymous No.10101115]

>>10100721
Call it ethnicities then, same difference.

[Anonymous No.10101139]

>>10100923
Truth hurts, spineless drone

[Anonymous No.10101143]

>>10100713
>I'm going to deny all rationality and overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary because it doesn't conform to my preconceived notions of how I wanted my cuckolding fantasy to play out with my pet niggers.

[Anonymous No.10101144]

>>10101006
this has already been done, they're called subspecies and Fst scores + heterozygosity are a strong predictor of differentiation into subspecies. Humans are more than distant enough genetically between geographically isolated groups to be considered separate subspecies or races. Its not done because the inferior subspecies will immediately feel "oppressed" by being called what they are, a subspecies. This stems from a legitimate fear of hatred and domination by the superior types and general ignorance and retardation (related to the legitimate fear) which causes an inability to understand that its just an accurate description of human biodiversity and not necessarily and invitation to do what will almost certainly be done to them, which is exterminate and exclude them (which is good, healthy, should be expected; and would happen anyway). I hope that clears things up for you.

[Anonymous No.10101165]

>>10100172

lol no pseudoscience has any truth to it at all.

[Anonymous No.10101179]

A survey of 3,286 anthropologists shows they mostly believe racial science is bullshit

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.23120

[Anonymous No.10101229]

>>10100713
>You have yet to prove race even exists biologically

[Anonymous No.10101232]

>>10100601
I've thought that we agree that blacks have a tendency to have lower IQs, but that isn't valid basis to treat them worse as a whole

[Anonymous No.10101240]

>>10100152
>Wkipedia

[Anonymous No.10101492]

>>10100152
Somebody could finally get a virus that target some skin color genetics, and then everybody would need to call it pseudo virus, because those genes are not real.

[Anonymous No.10101496]

Skin color correlation doesn't mean pure genetic reason of thing.

[Anonymous No.10101534]

White people should not be able to participate in science anymore. It is necessary and progressive. This is the era of colors.

[Anonymous No.10101541]

As genetic science develops it will be harder and harder to deny that differences exist between different groups in terms of intelligence and behavior.
We already know that SubSaharan Africans mixed with an unknown hominid type and have no Neanderthal genes.

[Anonymous No.10101542]

>>10100172
>If we put monkeys on typewriters, they will produce SOME true things, that means it's worthwhile to read the output

[Anonymous No.10101558]

>>10101542
>if we put blacks in universities, same thing applies

[Anonymous No.10101559]

>>10100152
Instead of going by skin color, we should enslave those freaks who grow hairs on the middle joints of their fingers. That is still genetically determined, but would not be considered racist at all.
There, I solved your problem. No need to thank me, but please send money for razorblades.

[Anonymous No.10101560]

>>10101179
>A survey of 3,286 anthropologists shows they mostly believe racial science is bullshit
Wrong, they just say that the clustering of humanity in races has no objective genetic basis. This is true, as human diversity is mostly clinal. However, it does not preclude that these genetic gradients are correlated to intelligence, as they are correlated with skin tone, height, cranial volume, running speed, metabolism, blood type and so on.

[Anonymous No.10101583]

>>10100152
Fair enough. Is that why there are just as many Semitic marathon runners as African? Because ethnicity has no bearing on abilities?

[Anonymous No.10101599]

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other. Indeed, it has been proven that there is more genetic variation within races than exists between them.

[Anonymous No.10101626]

>>10100563
>> This is the era of brown colors.

[Anonymous No.10101751]

>>10101179
>Wrong, they just say that the clustering of humanity in races has no objective genetic basis.

that's not the only thing they say

[Anonymous No.10101761]

>>10101599
SubSaharan populations have different hominid they intermixed with and no Neanderthal genes.
What now?

[Anonymous No.10101791]

>>10101599
What about we choose different looking features to distinguish race? It doesn't have to mean performance, but it definitely is something that exist.

[Anonymous No.10101825]

>>10100185
you think Israel is just a bunch of ashkenazi jews? lol

[Anonymous No.10101843]

>>10101229
>not every human on Earth is a clone
Wow amazing discovery

[Anonymous No.10101857]

>>10101583
Are you playing on dumb on purpose? Anthropologists are able to study different skull structures, bone density etc to determine physical capability differences. However, neuroscience is not advanced enough to do such in depth study of the brain. Yet far no legit connection between ''race'' and intelligence has been found. To begin with, it has been found that iq differences occur due to an INDIVIDUAL's environment and exposure. A black science student who solves physics numericals on a daily basis will have a higher iq than an ashkemazi joo that runs a business.