/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10099194]

Should physicists be forced to take philosophy and epistemology courses before they can go into science?

[Anonymous No.10099198]

>>10099194
No, but philosophers should take some physics courses before they start talking bullshit

[Anonymous No.10099199]

I believe so. They should perhaps be the same subject.

[Anonymous No.10099203]

No, they simply should refrain from spreading bullshit about philosophy and other topics they know nothing about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROe28Ma_tYM

[Anonymous No.10099207]

>>10099203
>the idea of what you feel and see isn't real is something I am very skeptical of
He should take some DMT and come back and see if he can still say the same

[Anonymous No.10099209]

>>10099194
Physicists should be beaten at a random time every year, with the severity of the beating determined by the number of dumb philosophical opinions they've espoused averaged over a 4 week period. There is a bonus added for glibness. Some scores may pass the threshold into maiming and permanent damage.

A score of ~0 gets them poked and roughly assaulted with the eraser side of a pencil. There is no lack of beating or negative scores.

[Anonymous No.10099213]

>>10099209
Seething. Did you get called a pseudoscience loving brainlet again?

[Anonymous No.10099226]

>>10099213
What's there to love in realscience if it says that 95% of the universe if made of undetectable energy and matter [invented out of thin air to satisfy equations] and that the universe shouldn't exist [because there shouldn't have been an imbalance of matter and anti-matter at the beginning]? Physics are dead.

[Anonymous No.10099230]

>>10099213
And afterwards the physicist gets to beat physicist defenders. If they refuse, they are beaten again.

[Anonymous No.10099232]

>>10099226
Yeah physics is fucked. What would we do without your random mental diarrhea?

>>10099230
>he's still going
Calm down brainlet, you'll get an aneurysm

[Anonymous No.10099238]

>>10099194
We wouldn't be even there without people who sacrifice children to Satan.

[Anonymous No.10099243]

>>10099232
The important questions in physics were already resolved many many decades ago. All that's left is cosmological trash that nobody cares about, and that physicists can't even begin to get right. Physics is seeding a massive decline in funding in the past decade.

[Anonymous No.10099245]

>>10099243
>>10099198

[Anonymous No.10099246]

>>10099243
>Physics is seeding a massive decline in funding in the past decade.

Is this why they hate philosophy?

[Anonymous No.10099250]

>>10099246
Dunno, how much money do you get at MC Donalds?

[Anonymous No.10099251]

>>10099250
mcdonalds workers are based

[Anonymous No.10099252]

>>10099245
I am not a philosopher, I am an electrical engineer. Nothing discovered in physics in the past 40 years (you discovered nothing in the past 40 years) is relevant to us.

[Anonymous No.10099257]

>>10099252
>Nothing discovered in physics in the past 40 years is relevant to us.
Remember when people said that about electrodynamics? Electromagnetic waves? Who the fuck needs that bullshit, amirite? That shit ain't relevant to me

[Anonymous No.10099262]

>>10099257
It's not that you discovered stuff that isn't relevant yet, it's that you haven't discovered *anything* at all, and all your models are a complete failure at predicting anything, so bad that they say the universe shouldn't even have existed due to anti-matter

[Anonymous No.10099271]

>>10099238
>Jew
>>>/out/

[Anonymous No.10099272]

>>10099262
>it's that you haven't discovered *anything* at all
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.10099288]

>>10099243
>The important questions in physics were already resolved many many decades ago.

[Anonymous No.10099291]

>>10099272
>[citation needed]

Not him, but literally the same could be said about any of the garbage you retards spout about philosophy on this board.

[Anonymous No.10099297]

>>10099198
fpbp

[Anonymous No.10100642]

>>10100000

[Anonymous No.10100646]

>>10099288
important = applications in real life

cosmology has no uses

even space exploration doesn't depend on cosmologists, it uses Newton equations

[Anonymous No.10100654]

>>10099194
>Atheist materialists
String theory

[Anonymous No.10100715]

>>10099198
Spoken like a true NIM rod

[Anonymous No.10100930]

>>10099198
t. Physishit who doesn’t understand his own method
Inb4 muh big claims need le big evidence!

[Anonymous No.10100931]

>>10100646
t. Never had to adjust shit to keep a satellite in orbit

[Anonymous No.10100965]

>>10099194
I have a philosophy nigger in my algorithms class and he's the most autistic and annoying piece of shit there.
The fucker always tries to argue semantics when it has no bearing on the proof. God, just shut the fuck up you little shit

[Anonymous No.10100967]

>>10100931
...with cosmology?

[Anonymous No.10100981]

>>10100965

I'm a philosofag, but I can feel how cringy the faggot you speak of is. Truth be told, philosophy itself is pretty fucking cringe and completely self indulgent. But I've been waiting for a long time for cosmology/physics to deliver some mind-bending shit for a long time. All you faggots have to offer is "well, it's mathematically possible." Your shit is boring and just doesn't fucking delivar. At least philosophy has SOME potential to be interesting, if it can somehow get away from the self indulgence

[El Arcón No.10100987]

>>10099194
How is Heisenberg foundational with Einstein being only relevant when Einstein pretty much invented quantum mechanics with his description of the photoelectric effect?

[Anonymous No.10101001]

>>10099194

[Anonymous No.10101003]

i'm taking an upper div philosophy of science class as an elective right now and it's full of the biggest brainlets i've ever seen. one guy mentions at every opportunity how he is personally "a physicalist who believes everything that exists is either atoms or the laws of physics." a roastie namedrops plato/sophocles/burke and just about every other philosopher she learned about in her history of philosophy class even though literally none of them are relevant. the vast majority of times retard students speak up, they ask smarmy nonphilosophical questions, eg. "haha why do people actually believe in astrology" as if shitting on dumb people will make them look better in comparison. just last week i heard someone say earnestly that f=ma means "if you increase the mass, the speed increases." are these philosophy friends aware that they have not done a single hard thing in their entire lives ?

[Anonymous No.10101005]

>>10099232
The physicist is beaten until he affirms his loyalty to Saturn. He proves it by killing an infant child and consuming its adrenochrome.

[Anonymous No.10101019]

>>10101003

> are these philosophy friends aware that they have not done a single hard thing in their entire lives ?

I think you pin pointed the problem right there. College is a daycare center for pathetic self indulgent inexperienced whiny adult children. The potential for stimulating conversation is fucking impossible when the participants have avoided hardship their entire miserable lives.

[Anonymous No.10101031]

>>10099194
>>10099209
>>10100930
can't get new members to your masturbation club, so use force as a last resort

[Anonymous No.10101032]

>>10099271
Antisemitic much? What causes you to jump to "Jew" when someone mentions child sacrifice?

[Anonymous No.10101045]

>>10101032
Trauma programming needs to be eradicated, and Jews traditionally practiced child sacrifice along with their neighbors across the river Jordan. If their cross generation trauma programming actually yielded positive results for the world, maybe its cost for the individual could be argued for, but it doesn't. Jews are slaves that work enslave and ruin anything they get their dirty hands on. In fact, the mark of the flesh likely evolved from their traditional sacrifices which historical revisionism now diverts strictly to the polytheists.

Abram should've turned right around and gone the other way, because ol' El Shaddai near as I can see never did him a damn bit of good. It was downhill from there and it's unfortunate the Romans and Spanish failed to get rid of the Jews because their attempts were the few employed with reasonable success, that didn't involve simply exterminating them.

Also, I have distant Jewish heritage a few generations back, so the weight of any assertion of antisemitism is greatly reduced. :^)

[Anonymous No.10101114]

>>10100967
You said space exploration uses Newton’s equations. Even fucking gps satellites relativistically correct their clocks.

[Anonymous No.10101117]

>>10101045
The Jewish religion is, in essential part, about rejecting child sacrifice. See, e.g., the binding of Isaac, etc.

[Anonymous No.10101133]

>>10101045
>>10101117
religion
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10101192]

>>10099194
Yes but very carefully. Philosophy is essentially a religion, it's very easy to stagnate science by putting too much weight in philosophical doctrine. As you see through science's history, mechanism, positivism, old vestiges of religious beliefs, and so on. Ultimately science is by necessity messy and varied, the only real test should be whether or not something actually works in practice and is generally useful in producing descriptive models. It's very easy to fall into complete nonsense without something to keep it in check.

[Anonymous No.10101346]

>>10099194
Philosophy is mostly vapid handwaving

[Anonymous No.10101349]

>>10099194

Yes, it'll filter out all the retards.

[Anonymous No.10101366]

>>10101349
Good plan. The retards will go to philosophy and only true scientists remain

[Anonymous No.10101553]

>>10099243
I wonder where i heard that before.
"At the end of the 19th century, physics had evolved to the point at which classical mechanicscould cope with highly complex problems involving macroscopic situations; thermodynamics and kinetic theory were well established; geometrical and physical optics could be understood in terms of electromagnetic waves; and the conservation laws for energy and momentum (and mass) were widely accepted. So profound were these and other developments that it was generally accepted that all the important laws of physics had been discovered and that, henceforth, research would be concerned with clearing up minor problems and particularly with improvements of method and measurement"

[Anonymous No.10101555]

>>10099194

only if every single liberal art program has mandatory Analysis up to vector calculus and proper Linear algebra exam.