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How do we stop the psychoanalyst lobby from destroying scientific medicine?
Psychoanalysts seem to be particularly good at getting the useful idiots to their side.

>> No.10099202

>>10099157
By hard science proving that mental problems (depression, bpd, etc.) Cant be cured by talking but rather by medicine. I tried that bullshit and it most definitely did not work. I took pills, and I was going out with a but more energy and a smile. Just show statistics of what normals' and NPCs' care about, depression. Show a graph of suicide rates of people that were under psychoanalysis and then compare that to people who took medicine that were NOT placebo. They'll change quick, considering how they think mental obstacles is a massive talking point in modern science.

>> No.10099214

>>10099157
Right after we deal with homeopathy, alternative medicine, chiropractic, the supplements industry, etc. we can all get busy saving medicine from psychoanalysis.

Gotta prioritize.

>> No.10099273

>>10099214
You people are pure evil. Brainwashed and weaponized by the power structure.

>> No.10099284

>>10099214
genuine question desu, why is chiro a meme?

>> No.10099286

>>10099273
t. pharmapilled

>> No.10099290

>>10099286
I thought your post was serious.

>> No.10099299

>>10099157
you can't argue there is _no_ use to therapists (psychotherapists or just non-MD people to talk to). there are plenty of mental problems people develop that can go away by talking about it, like phobias or some traumatic experience. like you know, "my daddy touched me" type shit. a pill can't fix your buried mental complexes, but working it out mentally, either on your own or through talking to a therapist about it, actually does address the underlying cause, unlike pills

>> No.10099302

>>10099157
>Stop

Destroy. The way you do that is by focusing on your side.

>> No.10099305
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>>10099157
>>10099214
If scientific medicine was good enough we wouldnt need "alternatives", just saying.

>> No.10099392

If psychoanalists have helped people in the past, in what sense is it bad? I'm not saying that it is for all people and all circumstances, but for some people it has proven to have very tangible benefits. And what would you do to replace it?

>> No.10099465
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>>10099305
>thinking that you can solve all the structural problems with the brain via ingesting chemicals.
muh psychology niggers are worse than pharmaniggers, but both have yet to acknowledge that there are probably problems that you can't fix with medicine, and that will eventually come down to incredibly precise surgery, as a opposed to muh psychoanalysis or muh pharma.

>> No.10099476

>>10099202
>I tried that bullshit and it most definitely did not work.
Nice sample size dipshit.

>> No.10099478

there's very little effective meds that deal with problems in the brain, most pills that get described by psychiatrists are results of enormous efforts in obfuscating stats so that they get approved
t. neuropharma grad working for ze big Germans

>> No.10099516

>be a shitty person, and the source of 80% of your problems
>get into a trainwreck of a situation, get depressed
>get on xanax, don't learn and internalize anything
>repeat

alllright, bucko

>> No.10099542

>>10099284
Because some people act like it does a lot more than make your back feel a bit better for a while.

>>10099299
Honestly, I never solved any issues until long after I decided therapists weren't worth my time.

>> No.10099616

>>10099299
>mental problems people develop that can go away by talking about it
WRONG

just talking about it is not going to solve anything. behavioral (mostly) and cognitive interventions are the only methods shown to be effective. psychoanalysts should face the same penalties as MDs who give treatment that does not even approach the Standard of Care.

>> No.10099618

>>10099305
If "alternatives" were good enough they would be "scientific"

>> No.10099620

>>10099392
>If bloodletting have helped people in the past, in what sense is it bad?
it's efficacy has been far surpassed by modern methods

>> No.10099647

>>10099618
You mean profitable, not good. Easy mistake to make though.

>> No.10099709

>>10099647
putting aside the fact that if you move the goalposts this far your original comment is totally worthless, alternative """medicine""" is significantly more expensive than real medicine in every country outside of 3rd-world clapistan anyway

>> No.10100281

>>10099157
I dont't know!! It worries me deeply. They oppose, specially the lacan's fan club, to anything that has science in it's name. But people tend to admire what they can't understand.

>> No.10100294

>>10099709
>alternative medicine is allegedly more profitable and less effective
>profit-driven companies avoid it entirely

>> No.10100297

>>10099618
They are scientific. They're just inconvenient for established markets and not profitable.

It's interesting you put scientific in quotes, because that's actually what we're dealing with here. Mainstream science, that our manufactured cultural narrative says is established and legitimate, is anything but. It's a pseudoscientific hackjob.

>> No.10100303

>>10100297
Just because massive corporations have bought out large parts of it for no other reason doesn't mean it lies for their benefit.

>> No.10100329

>>10100294
>profit-driven companies avoid it entirely
Are you implying that the companies who sell $20 bags of herbs to hipsters are charities?

>> No.10100665

>>10100329
Can anyone confirm this is a thing? I know it happens and that natural food stores are opportunistic parasites and obscenely overpriced vs a good coop, but I have the luxury of a local herb shop or just ordering online from mountain rose herbs, or eternity in a box etc. I've never seen out of proportion prices like that.

>> No.10101098

>>10099157
Why does the gold one have "truth" written backwards on his forehead?

>> No.10101109

>>10101098
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

>> No.10101149

>>10099478
>there's very little effective meds that deal with problems in the brain, most pills that get described by psychiatrists are results of enormous efforts in obfuscating stats so that they get approved

true.

>>10099954
>>10100823

>> No.10101152

>>10099616
>behavioral (mostly) and cognitive interventions are the only methods shown to be effective.

wrong.

there has never been a single blinded trial of any method of (((psychotherapy))). there's no evidence of specific effects that exceed placebo, expectancy, etc.

>> No.10101277

>>10099647
That's not how science works

>> No.10101288
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>>10099157
no notable CEO out there actually believes in pills

>> No.10101406

>>10099157
destroy government

>> No.10101449

>>10099647
Chiropractice is a 13 billion dollar industry.