Race

[Anonymous No.10090968]

Are there any geneticists or biologists here who can explain how different the races actually are with regards to their achievement capacity? Is there any reason to believe that some populations are more adapted to civilization than others?

[Anonymous No.10090987]

>>10090968

The answer is we don't know, genetics can't be ruled out, and as for environment, parental environment seems to have a minimal effect by the time people reach adulthood.

Natural selection continued operating to reward those who match up with non-reproductive metrics of "success" up until the industrial revolution, so it is reasonable to suggest civilization has had some effect, we just can't be sure what. Something as broad as intelligence, for example, is hard not to imagine being beneficial in EVERY environment.

[Anonymous No.10091768]

>>10090987
Ignore this brainlet. Civilizations and technology are developing way too quickly to be explained by genetics. Differences in civilizations level are on the order of a century at most and that's not even taking into account other shit.

Moreover,
>Genetics [math]\neq[/math] race.
>Hereditary traits are very easy to misunderstand.
>Epigenetics and environment account for a significant portion of one's capabilities.
>Even GPS are shit at making predictions about individuals.
>It's obvious that anyone making posts like OP hasn't taken the time to read any modern textbooks or research (even though we live in a time when this shit is freely accessible and you can even attend free online courses). So basically no matter what they're still among the lowest common denominator regardless of race.

[Anonymous No.10091786]

>>10090968
No there is no reason to believe some ethnicity would be more adapted to civilization, the firts reason is that civilization in evolutive time has existend for practicly no time at all, or not enougth to change shit, this idea comes from racists cunts who uses psuedo-science to support its retardation.

However some grupos of humans like have slight differences between each other but it really doesnt matter beacuse race biologically speaking doesnt exist dont be naive

>>10091768
Based lol

[Anonymous No.10091837]

>>10091786
Not a geneticist or a biologist. Have we had one here yet? Sub Saharan Africans have no Neanderthal DNA. I don't think I am a racist cunt.. but if you told me to find a Mexican who wasn't a (insert insult here,) I doubt I could find one. But that shit is probably because of my cultural views clashing with theirs. There are impressive ancient civilizations all around the globe, including the African continent. We are seeing countries that are not having their best century and making assumptions with the bigger lacking. I would love to see a "racist" biologist chime in. Eugenics was born out af Darwinism and was a science not long ago. Science has to tiptoe and be PC. And it may be an obstacle to progress.

[Anonymous No.10091841]

>>10091786
>race biologically speaking doesnt exist
To get into the horrifying classification system with taxonomy you could very well make the claim that races in humans exist it's just that socially it would be a bad idea to reclassify different ethnicities under the races

[Anonymous No.10093463]

>>10091768
None of this answers either of my questions.

>>10091786
Civilization has existed in some parts of the world for many centuries, it takes only a couple of generations of breeding to make significantly more docile or aggressive organisms. Even small changes in the population would eventually result in hugely different genetic outcomes, right?

[Anonymous No.10093484]

>>10093463
Race as most people think of it is mostly a social construct.

[Anonymous No.10093490]

>>10093463
>it takes only a couple of generations of breeding to make significantly more docile or aggressive organisms
Only when there are massive selective pressures which no race had unique from the other races.

[Anonymous No.10093512]

>>10093484
Begs the question, what aspects of race are not socially constructed?

[Anonymous No.10093525]

>>10091841
Ok i will say it simple for you The genetic differece bettween humans of diferent ethnicitys is so low (we are talking no even 1% a fraction of it), that we are the same, in genetics terms

>>10093463
Yes, but we would need at leat 100K+ and a very small grup of people that fuck a soon as they reach puberty in an island or another planet to even start speaking as another race or species, more likely ever happen

>>10091837
Yep you are retarted and closet racist, not even trying to explain, read some books, listen to your biology class and dont be a fag.

BTW following your retarded logic white people is the most stupid, geneticly inferior and violent race there is beacse they are responsible for almost every major man-made catastrohpe and genocide.

[Anonymous No.10093543]

>>10093484
>>10093512
Define "social construct"
Even the purely genetic component of race is influenced by society and culture.

[Anonymous No.10093551]

>>10093525
>white people is the most stupid, geneticly inferior and violent race there is beacse they are responsible for almost every major man-made catastrohpe and genocide
If you believe this you're retarded

[Anonymous No.10093558]

>>10093543
Do the different populations of human beings have different achievement capacities because of their inherent genetic makeup?

[Anonymous No.10093565]

>>10093551
Imbicile i was giving an example of how stupid is anon logic.

[Anonymous No.10093566]

>>10093558
That's a loaded question, try again

[Anonymous No.10093586]

>>10093551
Dont remove context you piece of shit

[Anonymous No.10093593]

>>10090968
Book recommendation incoming.
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=4A2F5CEAE58E099E8931F0FA0C0540A2
>Diamond argues geographic, climatic and environmental characteristics which favored early development of stable agricultural societies ultimately led to immunity to diseases endemic in agricultural animals and the development of powerful, organized states capable of dominating others.

[Anonymous No.10093597]

>>10093586
>>10093565
it makes no sense in context because white people have not committed a disproportionate number of catastrophes or genocides.

>>10093566
I don't see how that's a loaded question

[Anonymous No.10093604]

>>10093597
>white people have not committed a disproportionate number of catastrophes or genocides.
I regret to inform you that history exists and disagrees with your assessment.

[Anonymous No.10093605]

>>10093597
Ignore this fag if bait

[Anonymous No.10093612]

>>10090968
Well, there's not much evidence to support a genetic theory, unfortunately. UK standardized test / achievement scores have destroyed the argument for good.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/274165/SFR05_2014_National_and_LA_tables.xls

1. There's now only an 8 point IQ gap between blacks and UK whites (instead of the 20-30 point gap predicted by leading race scientists).
2. If you properly separate blacks by sensible categories rather than lumping them all together into one mega group, you find that the children of West African immigrants (e.g. Ghana, Nigeria) dramatically outperform UK whites, when they're not mixed with non-English-speaking amnesty-seeking Somalians or Haitians.
Thus the argument of absolute and immutable intellectual superiority of Whites over Africans has been unequivocally blown the fuck out. It was fun while it lasted though.

[Anonymous No.10093619]

>>10093597
WWI
WWII Extra: Hiroshima and Nagazaki, The Holocaust
All US wars
All Saint Wars (there are other race there i admit that)
Colonization of America

There are tons of examples

[Anonymous No.10093630]

>>10093612
This data is correct but it has nothing to do with race, it has to do with poverty, decaces of discrimitacion (in US atleats) and other SOCIAL factors.

Dont support these arguments the only thing you achive is giving false data to racists fucks

[Anonymous No.10093631]

>>10093597
>Do the different populations of human beings have different achievement capacities
implying
>because of their inherent genetic makeup?
as opposed to incidental genetic makeup? gtfo

You don't have any deeper interest in genetics or science. You're just another /pol/nigger obsessed with race.

[Anonymous No.10093641]

>>10093630
>This data is correct
>the only thing you achive is giving false data to racists fucks

[Anonymous No.10093649]

>>10093641
Not the same guy, but i know what he meant. The point is that even if data suggested blacks are terrible in school, that doesn't suggest something deeper about biology.

[Anonymous No.10093651]

>>10093641
You can recolect data that objectivly is correct, in this case the IQ gap, but that doesnt mean you conclusions are correct, you have to investigate more and explain why this happen not just
"Uuuuh yeah black people are retards uuuhh IQ more low uuuhh yeah"

[Anonymous No.10093653]

>>10093619
Don't feed trolls, faggot. All he has to do in response is WE WUZ white people into the role of masterrace and you lose.

[Anonymous No.10093662]

>>10093619
>>10093604
wow good try 10/10 evidence /sci broskis!!!!

>>10093612
>only an 8 point gap
>if you cherrypick an extremely specific population of north africans raised in a first world country
racism = dead

[Anonymous No.10093663]

>>10093612
>you find that the children of West African immigrants (e.g. Ghana, Nigeria) dramatically outperform UK whites

are these immigrants representative for their respective ethnic groups?

if not, you could claim european college graduates/millionaires/insert-above-average-iq-subgroup-here are more intelligent than the east asian everyman, therefore europeans are on average more intelligent than east asians.

if not, west africans in the uk should be compared to affluent, highly mobile european expatriates in other parts of the world.

[Anonymous No.10093664]

>>10093662
>irony
What even are you trying to argue?

[Anonymous No.10093666]

>>10093662
>>10093663
Return to pol

[Anonymous No.10093673]

>>10093604
>>10093619
Yeah no, other peoples are just as capable as killing each other by the millions like Euros.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll#Modern_wars_with_greater_than_25,000_deaths_by_death_toll

[Anonymous No.10093674]

>>10093664
see
>>10093663

[Anonymous No.10093686]

I am properly educated in genetics but it really does not take proper education to understand that certain groups are more fit for certain environments then others. Just look at skull differences in humans, in one of Darwin's manuscripts he even states that the skull shape and other bones would have to change to physically hold a denser and more intelligent brain. Ask if you want something more in depth.

[Anonymous No.10093689]

>>10093673
>wikipedia
>More than half in the list still white

KEK

[Anonymous No.10093691]

>>10093686
fucking finally someone who isn't just a shit flinging retard, please continue

[Anonymous No.10093703]

>>10093525
Could you be any less intelligent if you tried?

[Anonymous No.10093722]

>>10093691
Are you serious...? He's a troll. Everything he said is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10093726]

>>10093673
>Wars are the only atrocities.
>Let me give you a list dominated by whites anyways.
Thanks

[Anonymous No.10093733]

>>10090968
Every race has had successful civilizations as some point. Current global situations are based on recent history.

[Anonymous No.10093737]

>>10093666
>Return to pol
never posted there.

why would you assume i am from /pol/ when i merely pointed out flawed reasoning?

you are welcome to make a case for african average intelligence to be equal to higher than europeans', but you can do so by comparing a likely-far-above-average subgroup of group 1 to the average of group 2.

also, this is not a discussion about moral oder legal transgressions by europeans (or any other group, for that matter).

[Anonymous No.10093750]

>>10093726
if you actually looked at the list you'd see that the only disproportionately represented group is the chinese.

[Anonymous No.10093759]

>>10090968
Order around a general catholic citizen to observe for other catbolic citizens. The end.

[Anonymous No.10093766]

>>10090968
depends what you mean by "civilization"

[Anonymous No.10093790]

>>10093750
We all can agree chinese people have some fucked up morals and ideas througt history so there is no debate in there i think.
>>10093525
You idiots miss the point, anon was trying to say is that behavior is not linked with race.

[Anonymous No.10093796]

>>10093662
?
Learn to read Cletus.
It's an 8 point gap if all blacks are put against all whites.

If you just consider the group of blacks whose parents got the London the earlier and who learned English as a first language (i.e., they aren't handicapped while taking standardized tests), the gap actually reverses. How can that be possible given their claimed innate inferiority and regression to the mean? Clearly, the theory is wrong and can be discarded.

[Anonymous No.10093797]

>>10093750
>Chinese, 69 M deaths on the entire list.
>WWII 69 M deaths
Are you even trying?

[Anonymous No.10093804]

>>10093790
this is what I hate the most, just attributing to culture by default with 0 real explanation, at least honest people will admit they don't know for sure.

[Anonymous No.10093805]

>If any animal were to increase or diminish... or if the mental powers were to be much increased or diminished, without any great change in the size of the body, the shape of the skull would almost certainly be altered.
Darwin in the Descent of Man

Pic related is the gentic diversity within the "single species" of Homo sapiens. As you can see the gentic diversity is huge. Enough to consider each race a different species. Of course we will have vastly different brain capabilites. The differences in simply iq is very high but still not a good representation. Many races excel at certain brain fucntions. Most notably chinease in arithmatic, jews in verbal acuity, whites in imagination/originality. Thus we are actually so vastly different. That is of course why our cultures are so different. There are so many markers which point to the great differences with humans and brain function.