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What do you think are the breakthroughs and technologies that will revolutionize mankind?
I understand this is a naive question, but will humanity ever even register on the kardashev scale?
Which specific fields should be receiving the most investment if we want to attain an extremely high level of technological advancement?

>> No.10084023

>>10084022
fusion

>> No.10084029

>>10084023
Why?

>> No.10084036

>>10084022
AI or Nanotech I guess

>> No.10084048

>>10084029
because having a practically infinite energy source will solve the problems of the environment and give us the capability of spending tons of energy on anything we want, like e.g.
>making lots of cryogens
then we could have technology based on superconductivity and superfluidity which make efficient transport of energy and material very easy
>making super-dense fuels
for going into space conventionally, like e.g. it would be cheap to refine nuclear fission fuel for nuclear-powered rockets, instead of it costing a lot for all the requisite energy
>desalinating water and growing food
we could desalinate plenty of water with an unlimited fuel source and pump it to all the earth's deserts and so forth
>carbon capture
to undo the damage to the atmosphere we've caused
>rail gun based launches into space
we could just throw a lot of energy at making some sort of superconducting rail gun to cheaply launch shit into space

i could probably think of more, but having practically unlimited clean/safe energy is a big thing

>> No.10084054

>>10084048
>tfw planned to study high energy & nuclear physics
Feels useful man.

>> No.10084072

AI and computing.

>> No.10084078

If you fucking morons understood ether physics and weren't propagandized by Jewish physics maybe some real shit would happen

>> No.10084082

Beta decays of unstable isotopes dont emit neutrinos they change to different modalities

>> No.10084126

The biggest potential advancement is technology that ignores temporal linearity. Just being able to acquire a tiny bit of information from a short amount of time into the future is enough to create a computer that can do things that seem like mind-reading. This is because of something called Time-Loop Logic. There are other models that allow for violating linearity, but they have their own ways of making computers that look like magic.

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>>10084022
Superintelligence

>> No.10084705

>>10084022
>What do you think are the breakthroughs and technologies that will revolutionize mankind?

competent leaders who aren't just after personal power and money.

>> No.10084709

>>10084022
Genetics.

Everything else being mentioned is on the level of the flying cars meme.

>> No.10084798
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>>10084022
Artificial intelligence. If we can make robots with basic motor skills that are intelligent enough that extensive programming is not required, we'll finally get another industrial revolution. Honestly things have been pretty stagnant. The computer age wasn't actually that revolutionary.
>>10084048
Anon. You are thinking too small. We can already make lots of cryogen. We can already make super dense fuels for fission rockets. Fuel availability ain't the obstacle. Neither is throwing energy at superconducting(LOL!) railguns. We might be able to make air breathing fusion jet engines for space launch. Pic related. We could make project pluto style atmospheric ramjets that can fly at supersonic speeds for years, with a heck of a lot less deadly radiation. Another absolute classic use case for fusion power is fusion torch, just use a fusion reactor's plasma to disintegrate everything to ions and pass through a mass spectrometer to recycle everything into component elements. It's the ultimate form of recycling!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_torch

>>carbon capture
you're damn fucking right that the only way carbon capture is ever going to work is with artificial fusion power.

>> No.10084928

>>10084798
Is there a reason why AI development has been so stagnant? What do we need to take it to the next level?

>> No.10084948

>>10084022
I think iot and smart contracts are the closest technologies to reality we are working on that can dramatically change how the world works.

For example in a few years it isn't crazy to imagine a self-driving taxi company that can draft up a smart contract between you and the car to pay for where you want to go, then just scan a qr code to instantly pay for the ride and go where you need to.

>> No.10084972

>>10084022
Sophon, or an unfolded proton.

>> No.10085016

>>10084126
How do we achieve this practically speaking though?

>> No.10085017

Megastructures fucking WHEN

>> No.10085096

>>10084127
Go home, Nick.

>> No.10085101

>>10084022
queer studies ;--D

>> No.10085106

>>10084022
closed loop life support systems

imagine not needing any input but a source of energy for basic survival

also artificial wombs will be big

>> No.10085108

>>10085017
Don't worry anon, when I win the US lottery I am going to invest it straight into asteroid mining to build big shit in space.

>> No.10085119

>>10085108
>asteroid mining
Will that ever be a viable strategy considering the costs?

>> No.10085442

>>10084022
at this point in time energy and batteries seem to be the bottleneck

you sciencefags need to come up with new, safe and cheap ways to produce energy but you havent even managed to build the tokamak for 25 years

>> No.10085456

>>10085442
i think if we had a clean/safe energy source that could run all the time and supply ~infinite energy, then making cryogens would be cheap (and clean) and we could use superconducting magnetic energy storage. this already exists but is simply too expensive to keep cooled down because making cryogens takes a lot of energy

>> No.10085491

>>10084023
If/when we become able to use fusion, will that act as the switch for the exponential growth of technology?
Honestly I can't think of something that would be more revolutionary for our society than nuclear fusion, except maybe strong AI.

>> No.10085535

>>10084972
Lol we aren't making a fucking sophon anytime soon.

>> No.10085541

>>10085535
What exactly is a sophon? I don't understand the concept.

>> No.10085642

Kind of relevant to the thread, what branch of physics should I go to grad school for if I want to do useful research for the future? I narrowed it down to
>matsci/nanosci
>optics & lasers
>astro
>nuclear & HEP/particle physics
>plasma & fusion physics

>> No.10085643

>>10084022
Efficient and durable energy storage that doesn't rely on slow chemical reactions.

>> No.10085651

>>10084048
unlimited power was already long there for the taking with Tesla's inventions but obviously every single industry would collapse into bankruptcy

for the same reason there will be no more revolutionizing breakthroughs unless equally or more profitable than current technologies

so kiss your nerd fantasies goodbye, they're already there but capitalism won't allow it

make no mistake, we have already peaked, we're on the downswing now

>> No.10085653

>>10085651
>tesla
>spacing
do i smell a redditor?

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>>10084022
Once we can mine asteroids and use this to build solar powered space platforms we go to Kardashev1 quickly. For K2 we just need to continue doing this.

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>>10084928
Because a singe human brain got still much more computing power then all computers together. It will still take at least a decade before we are there. Also we need a deeper understanding how brains really work.

>> No.10085705

>>10085667
What's stopping us from doing it? We don't really lack the tech to do asteroid mining
I guess heat evacuation could be a problem but that's not that difficult to work around

>> No.10085731

>>10085651
>but obviously every single industry would collapse into bankruptcy
Its not even about money at that point. Its about raw power.

>> No.10085734

>>10084023
>>10085667
"Infinite" energy (fusion is more likely, but anything involving gravity would be even better) and asteroid mining will produce trillionaires if they ever become actual industries. Nothing can compete. It goes
1. unlimited energy
2. space mining
3. quantum computing
4. strong AI
Everything else isn't worth mentioning.

>> No.10086129

>>10085731
What do you mean?

>> No.10086359

>>10085734
nice meme list newfriend

>> No.10086362

>>10085653
Do you smell EM dynamo wheels on electric cars yet or is it overpowered by the wafting profit of electric charging stations?

>> No.10087067

>>10086359
Nice rebuttal retard

>> No.10087087

>>10085705
Government niggas prefer to spend money on military and shit instead of research

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>>10084948
How is that better than just paying in the regular way?

>> No.10087124

>>10087098
Because it implies that everything in the process is automated into some system. Which generally means it is more reliable, faster, and cheaper. Human labor is generally one of the most expensive costs of running a business so if you don't have to pay people to do anything it becomes a lot cheaper. This technology can be applied to pretty much any business so it isn't something that will always be so drastically different but in terms of price, speed, and reliability it greatly improves quality of life for everyone.

>> No.10087139

Understanding the genetic code will allow us to build cells and control and manipulate the protein folding to construct nanotech like carbon nanotubes for a space elevator and age reversal.

>> No.10087142

>>10087124
Are you under the impression that paying by swiping a debit card is not automated?
What's the difference between swiping a card and reading a QR code?

>> No.10087148

>>10087087
Can't a private company do it?

>> No.10087160

Noticing that electrons are black hole electrons, and new physics by it.
This technology will change the world.
Strictly it is established in a state that developed the theory advocated by Brandon Carter and Sean Carroll. That is, electron = black hole electron itself is entangled quantumly.
And the electron we know is (black hole electron) ^ (1/8).
Atiya who claims to have solved the Riemann hypothesis probably noticed this.

>> No.10087177

>>10087148
Yes, but asteroid mining would cost billions of dollars. It would require either 1 Bill Gates-Jeff Bezo tier nigga to fund it, or a couple lower tier niggas together. But those faggots (with the exception of Elon Musket) don’t even think about space exploration. They are probably not aware of the potential, or they don’t think it’s worth the effort and the wait

>> No.10087180

>>10087177
Jeff Bezos is all about building industrial facilities in solar orbit to support a space economy which means exactly mining asteroids.

>> No.10087199

>>10087180
I didn’t know that, thank you for enlightening me. I just wonder why he hasn’t started yet, since he has enough resources

>> No.10087223

>>10087180
I didn't know Besos was so unironically based.
Is it impossible for a small entrepreneur, right now or in the near future, to get into space mining/exploration considering the cost? Will everyone who's interested in that market be forced to work for Amazon, SpaceX or whatever?

>> No.10087229

>>10084078
t. moron who hasn't done any real shit

>> No.10087251

>>10087229
But possibly a nonmoron who has done unreal nonshit.

>> No.10087258

>>10084078
like what?

>> No.10087264

How do people get in or out of those supertall buildings? At some point you'd need more elevators than you can fit in the building.

>> No.10087268

>>10087264
Cable-free lateral motion elevators

>> No.10087270

>>10087268
It would allow for slightly taller buildings but it doesn't fix the fundamental problem.

>> No.10087271

>>10087270
How so?

>> No.10087274

>>10087268
Put 'em in a cyclic loop like those fancy car parking facilities terminals so they don't congestion lag stack.

>> No.10087280

>>10085734
>endless energy with fusion + endless supply of materials with astromining -> potentially infinitely scalable infrastructure
Hurry the fuck up Bezos I want my dyson swarm

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>>10084022

>> No.10087284

>>10087271
The amount of people is proportional to the volume of the building, the capacity of elevators to the crossectional area. It's a classic square-cube problem.

>> No.10087286

>>10087284
So at that point, constructing tall but very wide buildings would be better?

>> No.10087291

>>10084022
Genophage that kills off all chestlets and creates a new Huntington's type disease where triplets coding for large breasts keep increasing with every generation.

>> No.10087340

>>10087286
Simplest solution would be to have another street level but 100 floors up. Essentially another layer of streets. So not everyone has to go through the ground floor, only people from levels 1-100, then you can build as tall as you need by stacking layers upon layers.

>> No.10087344

>>10087340
Is this currently feasible? Seems like building streets on top of a skyscraper then stacking them together would be tricky engineering-wise

>> No.10087357

>>10087344
Skywalks and monorail lines are pretty doable. But there isn't any place dense enough to need this. Maybe if Manhattan had 2-3 more people in it.

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>>10084022
>fusion (both the regular kind and muonic fusion)
>a network of intertwined weak AI (even if strong AI doesn't pan out) webs with narrow specialization to make most work obsolete and allow massive terrestrial and space megaprojects with only minimal human involvment
>light (post-THz gap) computing that will make computers several orders of magnitude more efficient and will make cooling a non-issue
>spintronics and memristors to make the next gen memory storage
>automated asteroid mining to make space superstructures possible (the whole space colonization thing will be done through comfy O'Neill cylinders and not by living on an inhospitable irradiated shithole of a planet like Mars)
>immunotherapies, gene therapies and nanomedicine to eventually eliminate all disease
We'd probably see most of those in some capacity by 2100.

>> No.10087413

Energy, but at point we have now, it's capture of ambient energy instead of shitfucking highloads, because it's simpler and provide a good amount of time to get to good fusions.

>> No.10087532

>>10087357
>there isn't any place dense enough to need this
Really? What about LA, HK, Bejing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Mumbai...?

>> No.10087536

>>10084022
uber, bitcoin, asymetric cryptography, TOR

>> No.10087543

nanorobotics
metamaterials
smart materials
molecular assembler
tissue engineering
artificial organs
immersive virtual reality
holographic data storage

>> No.10087549

>>10087543
>all this mat.sci stuff
A shame the field itself is so boring
Also isn't immersive VR extremely far from the realm of possibility right now?

>> No.10087661

>>10084022
Nanotechnology is the gateway to technology that would be impossible to create with natural elements.

>> No.10087664

>>10087661
Why?

>> No.10087801

>>10084948
IoT is a huge security risk. I don’t see this catching on anytime soon.

>> No.10087820

Isn't nuclear fusion looking kind of grim considering how ITER is doing (i.e. badly)?

>> No.10087850

I think quantum computing is the mayor breakthrough technology. We know we can do it, it go huge potential, but we got no clue what it will do with society.

>> No.10087948

We peaked.

>> No.10087963

>>10087948
>implying
We've just reached a ceiling that's going to be harder to break, but once we do, the possibilities will be endless.
The issue is that it's not clear what we should focus our efforts on to break that ceiling as fast as possible. Quantum computing? AI? Nanotech? Space programs? Energy?
All seem likely, though despite the amount of money being poured into it, I don't think AI will be the breakthrough that brings us to a new age.

>> No.10088019

>>10087850
Is quantum computing more about CS or about physics, what background does QC research typically require?

>> No.10088039

>>10084022
>What do you think are the breakthroughs and technologies that will revolutionize mankind?
i underwent a but of hair thinning. near the crown of my head. i shaved my head because i dont care much. i noticed there was a thin oil being produced in that spot. i washed it off and daily i was it off when i wash my face. hair is growing back it nearly looks the same now as the rest of my head the thinning is almost 80% reduced . if i let my hair grow out i dont think it would be noticeable but i will wait till after winter

also i have intentionally stopped putting things on top of my head and gotten a slight amount of sun exposure to the top of my head. no hair care treatment used aside form shampoo no plugs no artificial T. the oil removal probably would be enough it takes about 5 hours for it to form and removed with just water and a paper towel no soap 99% of the time. it could kill a range of mens hair recovery companies. i think the oil has a chemical in it that is affecting the hair roots but not in a permanent way

>> No.10088058

>>10088019
I don't know about research but to understand the gist of the field you just need to know some basic quantum mechanics, it's definitely more CS intensive because it has a bunch of circuits and algorithms

>> No.10088065

>>10088058
Are we certain that QC will have such a huge impact on computational complexity theory, or is the hype blowing it out of proportion? It seems like just building a quantum computer won't be enough to figure out how to reach the ridiculous levels of computational power that are advertised.

>> No.10088096

>>10088039
Anon just get a buzzcut jesus christ

>> No.10088144

>>10087223
That sort of entrepreneurship will only likely come around after one of those powerhouses sets a rough baseline in terms of the entire dynamic of the process (machinery, maintenance, etc). That’ll give people the ability to improve on the concepts without torpor/bureaucracy. If not, an entrepreneur now will be really hard-pressed to predict what exactly will be needed, let alone actually used. Not impossible but definitely difficult...

>> No.10088153

>>10088144
So anyone who wants to get into it will have to wait until one of the giants does it, then improve on their product. But considering the sheer amount of resources those giants can throw at a new and promising industry, as costly as it may be, I don't see how small entrepreneurs will ever be able to compete even if they manage to make technical improvements (that would just end up being bought out anyway).

>> No.10088546

>>10087820
ITER isn’t doing badly though, what are you talking about

>> No.10089108

>>10084948
>>10087536
Cringe

>> No.10089224

>>10087357
Kowloon was like that back in the day, wasn't it? Dense enough that people on the ground-level couldn't see the sun at all.

>> No.10089459

>>10089224
Yeah but it was a bunch of slums

>> No.10089464

>>10088546
Yeah it's making heaps of money for the contractors. It's working as intended.

>> No.10089470

>>10089464
Are you implying that the project is useless?

>> No.10089511

>>10084023
Quark fusion
Anti-matter reactor
Humanity will register on the Kardashev scale if mankind is able to engage in Starscaping and planetary-level engineering.
But that is small potatoes compared to Galaxy-level or even Universal-level civilisations

>> No.10089596

>>10087223
>>10087177
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMdpdmJshFU

Bezos is the real deal instead of red dustbowl autism that Musk has.

>> No.10089597

>>10084022
auto-pumping fleshlights

>> No.10089602

>>10087199
He's still working on getting his reusable rockets to work. About ten years behind SpaceX.

>> No.10089610

>>10089596
Isn't Amazon evil though?

>> No.10089615

>>10089596
The problem with stations is that you spend your life spinning around at 1 rpm minimum like an asshole in a washing machine. You can't even look at the stars without getting sick.

>> No.10089631

>>10089615
Make it big enough and that problem goes away. O'neill cylinders size allows them to rotate slowly enough to not cause nausea whilst still simulating 1 G.

>> No.10089649

>>10089631
Stanford Torus > O'Neill Cylinder
1) Dynamically stable
2) Not claustrophobic, you can see space outside.

>> No.10089684

>>10088065
yes, the tricky part is to use this power in a meaningful way, but I am optimistic we will figure it out

>> No.10089873

>>10084928
Actually not many types of AI research is going on right now.

>> No.10089878

>>10085106
Go to doctor

>>10084022
Probably AI. It will literally lead us to the technology explosion

>> No.10090001

>>10084078
What??

>> No.10090023

>>10087177
why dont we crowdfund it, we can take over the world

>> No.10090037

>>10090023
because billions of dollars is actually quite a lot

>> No.10090040

>>10087177
there's already a company for that
https://www.planetaryresources.com/

>> No.10090058

>>10084127
Based

>> No.10090078

Automation will take any developement in new industries quite fast with todays tech.

>> No.10090324

>>10089470
Yes, because they don't intent to turn the fucking thing on till 2035, and when they do, it will not generate energy for the grid
it was literally designed to be as worthless as possible

>> No.10090329

>>10090324
So if ITER, i.e. the biggest publicly funded research project in the world, is worthless, who is doing relevant work on applicable nuclear fusion?

>> No.10090334

>>10090329
private companies, I can't be fucked to list them all

>> No.10090370

>>10084022
5D data storage. It already exists, it's a shame there's been an information blackout on it for the last 2 years.

>> No.10090697

>>10087280
>my dyson swarm
>my
You're in for a surprise, average worker. lol

>> No.10090705

>>10084022
I just wish the entirety of physics was wrong and we could build a machine that generates more energy than it uses.
could be nice to prevent the death of the universe desu

>> No.10090710

>>10084022

human robot interfacing.

brain interfacing can't come soon enough.

>> No.10090937

10090697
>trying this fucking hard

>> No.10091804

>>10090697
>being a pinko unironically

>> No.10091816

>>10087087
But america numba #1!!!!!!

>> No.10092351

>>10090370
Elaborate.

>> No.10092368

>>10084023
Almost there, just 200,000 degrees to go...

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>>10092351
360TB, the closest thing we have today are m-discs

>> No.10092478

>>10092459
360TB per what?

>> No.10092486

>>10092478
per quartz disc, unable to be certain if its the size in the picture because there is basically no info as other anon stated. good for around 14 billion years at 350F!

>> No.10092517

>>10084022
I dont know about kardashev

But fusion power, total control of human biology or AI will quickly turn humanity into something radically different than we have now

>> No.10092519

>>10085651
nah, stop browsing pol, many powerful industries have been turned obsolete before. Sure, political lobby exists, but once something undoubtedly superior apear the previous way of doing things goes extinct.

Source: we're not listening to music on phonographs even tough phonograph manufacturers had quite a lot of money

>> No.10092523

>>10085734
hahah, all of that with shitty fleshy humans, so in the end you create a robot that rules the galaxy. How about mind uploading or biological inmortality

>> No.10092605

>>10092523
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

>> No.10092860

>>10092459
>>10092486
Where does this thing come from and why is there literally no information on it?

>> No.10093388

>>10089511
>Anti-matter reactor
There is no known, efficient process to turn matter into anti-matter. That would involve C-symmetry violation and those are only mediated via the weak force or some high energy GUT processes.

So before you build an antimatter reactor try making antimatter efficiently.

>> No.10093395

>>10090329
MIT researchers have proposed a more efficient, compact design than ITER based on advances in superconductors since ITER was planned.

Plus stellarator designs are making good progress (e.g. W7X) which are likely to influence the next generation of tokamaks too, involving some deviations from the torus plasma configuration.

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>>10092860
>Scientists at the University of Southampton
>the team at Southampton is currently looking for partners to invest in this technology in hopes that it can be commercialized in the future. It could only be a matter of time before this kind of data storage is the norm.

>> No.10093775

>>10093647
Do scientists who work for public universities actually profit financially from this type of partnership?

>> No.10094006

ITER refuses to use YBCO magnets even though the reactor isn't even started yet, just the building.

Can anyone explain why?
I think because after it runs for a year they can shut it down for 5yrs for a billion dollars in upgrades. Giving the people easy money for many years.

>> No.10094449

>>10094006
you got it in one
Government project = infinite money forever, no matter how blatantly they embezzle it
there's a reason they don't intend to turn ITER on until 2035

>> No.10094508

>>10092459
Most potent data storage technology and some faggots puts book on it so you actually need superadvanced holographic laser shit to read a fucking bible? I like the 16th century way more.

>> No.10095627

>>10093395
>you will never be an MIT researcher
Why go on

>> No.10095802

>>10095627
>giving up before you've even tried
this ensures that you will never achieve anything of note and die mediocre

>> No.10096586

>>10095802
I didn’t given up on anything, I just doubt my ability.

>> No.10096617

>>10093647
Neat. Last I heard reading the data is easy but writing is too tricky for home use. Has that changed?

>> No.10096966

>>10084022
>Which specific fields should be receiving the most investment if we want to attain an extremely high level of technological advancement?
neuroprosthetics

>> No.10097628

>want to make an impact on the advancement of important technology
>want to study math
Is there any way to reconcile those two things? Are any promising fields for the future very math heavy?

>> No.10098090

>>10084022
NAWAPA actually being built is gonna be huge.

>> No.10098254

Getting rid of the cardinal counting system and replacing it with something that makes sense.

>> No.10098843

>>10098090
How so?

>> No.10099453

>>10087543
forgot protein engineering

>> No.10099495

>>10084022
Everything biology related. Physics and Chemistry are dead and boring now.

>> No.10099510

>>10084078
>ether
NAYSRN

>> No.10099515

>>10085119
Considering the profits, yes, if a company can figure out the logistics of capturing and extracting titanium or iron etc. from an asteroid it'll be a nearly trillion dollar incentive. The problem is getting to that point

>> No.10099597

>>10088058
Nah QC is more physics intensive than CS by far lol, the only CS applications come into play when we're able to actually create a processor which we really havent yet

>> No.10099981

>>10099495
>physics is dead even though we don't know jack shit about the important stuff
>chemistry is dead even though materials science is more relevant than ever
A sub-90 IQ post if I've ever seen one.

>> No.10100043

>>10099495
are you one of those who believe that studying biology will make you immortal

>> No.10100564

>>10084022
>>10085734
>>10086359
>>10093647
>>10093395
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_memory

This is necessary for Matrix like shit.

People in this thread can't seem to comprehend the nuts and bolts.

>> No.10101294

>>10097628
AI