Elon Musk discussion

[Anonymous No.10054968]

I have a school thing where we're supposed to discuss Elon Musk. It's harder to find negative things about him, so throw all your hate and rants ITT. Or post whatever relating to him or his companies.

[Anonymous No.10055087]

Elon Musk is the embodiment of two things, pop science and the glorification of corporatism. His companies aren't bad per se, but when it comes down to it, electric cars and space travel aren't doing anything for mankind as of yet. Before either is a net gain we need clean energy production. He's not bad, but it's bad that he's heralded as some kind of savior because he says funny things and Wired says electric cars = everything solved. As for pop sci, it goes without saying. Nothing wrong with laypeople understanding science, in fact they should, but they should be encouraged to do in depth research on topics and self learn rather than read an oversimplified and often downright wrong version put out by a magazine, and you'll notice the people who like to talk about how much they "love science, it's so cool man!" are the same people who venerate Musk and other figures like him (Neil Degrasse Tyson is another example).

[Anonymous No.10055163]

>>10055087
Werd to your mother

[Anonymous No.10055164]

>>10054968
elon is fucking beast.

just like give elon your money or something. come on, fucking mars dude. mars.

[Anonymous No.10055288]

>>10055087
I'm ok with this.

[Anonymous No.10055304]

>>10055087
>space travel aren't doing anything for mankind as of yet
Enjoy having no satellites

[Anonymous No.10055311]

>>10054968
He has weird, unhinged moments like the british rescue diver incident and has done some very shady shit in broad daylight which has caused an SEC investigation. Not sure if any of it has basis in reality but it seems to me like he's no different from an average predatory entrepreneur who hides their facade with smiles and funny phrases.

[Anonymous No.10055855]

bump

[Anonymous No.10056273]

>>10055087
He has a sense of humor and since most of /sci/ views everything exclusively through a prism of rage, this causes confusion.

What I like about him is that people have consistently told him that what he's doing will never work, and then he makes a lot of it work. He's not the savior of mankind, but he's someone actually doing some stuff in a world where most people take joy in saying "It will never work!" because that excuses their lack of success and it's more fun to be negative.

He's not Tony Stark and he's not a shill or a fraud, he's just a dude with interests and way more drive and determination than any of us will ever have. It's probably a good thing his passion isn't something truly detrimental to society.

[Anonymous No.10057426]

>>10054968
I think he' a cool guy, but sadly kind of an overrated hack. He's a business man who's larping as a scientist. He hasn't personally discovered or developed anything substantive. Probably a good force in the world, but kind of a fraud

[Anonymous No.10057506]

He didn't inhale.

[Anonymous No.10057627]

>>10055087
>electric cars aren’t doing anything for humanity as of yet
>not fully switching to electric cars results in planetary disaster
>electric cars aren’t doing anything for humanity as of yet

[Anonymous No.10057652]

>>10054968

Elon Musk is the Donald Trump of reddit geeks.

A mogul that serves their wet fantasies of a daddy figure that made it big.

[Anonymous No.10057671]

>>10055087
based

>>10055164
cringe

[Anonymous No.10057853]

>>10054968
His net worth hasn't increased in over a year, god tesla is fucking worthless. Can't wait until NASA btfo's SpaceXXX with SLS and teaches this hun-looking nerd how chads get to space.

[Anonymous No.10057857]

>>10054968
You cant sway people from a true leader, you fucking kikes.

[Anonymous No.10058174]

>>10057627
>We can fix all our energy problems by using electric cars that run on electricity generated almost exclusively by fossil fuels

[Anonymous No.10058235]

>>10054968

>discussing about memes.

what kind of school are you at?

[Anonymous No.10058339]

>>10054968
>I have a school thing where we're supposed to discuss Elon Musk.
lmao really? You should not really do this school thing.

[Anonymous No.10058574]

>>10054968
- Bad businessman, doesn't know how to make profitable companies
- Generating Hype by deluding people and playing with their ignorance concerning where he claims to be the first one to do something although he isn't (for example, claiming the "Hyperloop" as his idea although the idea is almost a century old and was also intensively tested out in Switzerland in the 80s and 90s, or that he is the first electric car builder although he didn't even found Tesla, he bought it)
- very thin-skinned and narcistic behaviour shown on twitter ("Pedo"-incident etc.)
- promotes unhealthy life styles of overworking and burning out yourself as good and admirable
- exploits his work force, pays them below industry standards and lets them work long hours of overtime without pay. Again, promoting an unhealthy and unsocial way to run a company
- Tried to manipulate his Tesla stock by claiming he knows somebody who will buy all stock for well above market prices. Has to step down as President of Tesla because of this and paid 20 million in fines.


Generally speaking, this guy IS A FRAUD, no matter what the fanboys are going to tell you. But he is getting away with it because he is actually good at being a fraud, but a fraud is a fraud nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.10058588]

>>10054968
the hyper loop is nothing but a maglev train in a tube. the contest winner team has no input in the final design of the hyperloop. there isnt anything new or revolutionary about it

elon cant shut up despite having been dethroned as chairman of the board of tesla and paying a 20 million dollar fine for lying to investors with a statement he would be taking tesla private and that he had financial backing to make the company private so a buy back would have to occur . technically the charge was fraud but well its all kind of the same when you consider why he was charged. there was no financial backing for making tesla private he just ran his mouth

as a company tesla is only viable if they sell tons of the electric semi which justifies setting up charging stations which would mostly be collections of power walls run in series and maybe parallel as well. this isnt happening fast enough to make it look successful. they face to much competition from other auto makers electric cars

and on that note i bring everything to making the patents public (open source). he gets credit for handing out the rights to use patents he doesnt own that expired. the electric car was expired and the hyper loop (a maglev train) is expired . hes a con man fishing for compliments running a company that isnt even fiscally viable without investors money which is why he committed fraud to try to get more capita to pay for a lifestyle he cant afford. and thats the sugar coated version of things i didnt make it personal

[Anonymous No.10058590]

>>10058174
>>We can fix all our energy problems by using electric cars that run on electricity generated almost exclusively by fossil fuels
So if he doesn't fix EVERY problem, he's a fraud?

There's a lot of work to do, and he's doing some of it. That's nice.

[Anonymous No.10058594]

>>10055087
>He's not a virgin like me!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.10058599]

>>10058590
He fixes no problem at all. Tesla brought the Model S to the market when Nissan was already selling tens of thousands of Nissan Leafs every year. Now all major car makers are bringing lots of e-cars to the market. He was not ahead despite him claiming so. The E-car revolution would have happened anyways, hell, Tesla might actually be a profitable company if he didnt bought it early on.

[Anonymous No.10058611]

He won't reveal the secret sauce to his success. Does he really work 12 hours a day everyday or does he just delegate shit?

Apart from that he has no negatives, fuck the haters.

[Anonymous No.10058617]

>>10058611
His secret sauce is pretty damn obvious. Be really good at generating hype. Him claiming to be a chief designer etc. is all just part of the act.

[Anonymous No.10058627]

Most of /sci/ is underage and does not comprehend the impact his aerospace company has.

[Anonymous No.10058629]

>>10058627
Oh yes, everybody's life is so different now that launches have become a few million cheaper.

[Anonymous No.10058631]

he's a capitalist

[Anonymous No.10058638]

>>10057853
Wasn't ULA basically holding a monopoly over launch contracts with the government?

[Anonymous No.10058659]

>>10058599
>>10058588
>>10058574
I think you all failed to understand basic science. All the stuff he's been doing is not new science nor is it as costly as you might think. Anybody could have built a car that went from 0-60 in 3 seconds, only problem being that most car makers automatically assumed that electric cars should have a long lasting battery. Instead Tesla(Musk) opted for a design which is faster than most sedans while still being fully electric. Science is not ground breaking at all. As for the hyperloop, it's been tested and unwanted. SpaceX, well ULA didn't have many competitors. ULA is still not profitable from what I have heard, but then again not many companies are for a really long time. Again SpaceX is not doing anything ground breaking. However SpaceX has realized it can have better margins if a rocket lands upright. This makes reusable rockets reality. NASA and the like didn't plan on doing this because there was no incentive to actually do this. See for NASA, missions varied but the most clear being that they needed rockets for different purposes and they could always use those built by Russia. ULA on the other hand, was basically the only ones doing it so they had to focus mainly on reusability rather than increasing profits. Basically Musk is doing what has been possible for years but that other groups overlooked because they had different goals

[Anonymous No.10058695]

>>10058629
Your life is irrelevant and you know it too.

[Anonymous No.10058706]

>>10058695
>You can't critisize billionaires because you aren't one

What's up with /sci/ being such rich people-cucks

[Anonymous No.10058736]

>>10058659
>Again SpaceX is not doing anything ground breaking.
Had me until here. You're a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.10058792]

>>10057426
Like Edison basically.

[Anonymous No.10058796]

>>10054968
>lies to his investors
>racist about thialand
>hides behind his 'alternative' image crap that hipsters buy into

[Anonymous No.10058819]

>>10058174
Step 1: electric cars
Step 2: bring back fission
Step 3: ???????
Step 4: profit

[Anonymous No.10058822]

>>10058792
Edison actually invented the light bulb and a lot of other things himself. Elon invented absoluetely nothing himself. Steve Jobs is a more fitting comparison.

[Anonymous No.10058836]

>>10058822
Except he didn't invent the lightbulb you fucking cuck, nor did he invent 99% of shit people give him credit for, dude was a prototypical patent troll and hired thousands of engineers to slave away on various inventions while he soaked up patent bux.

[Anonymous No.10058900]

>>10056273
>be Musk
>people say making cars drive on the ceiling isn't practical, profitable, and makes no sense
>make car drive on ceiling
Wow, I love when Musk beats the odds and does the impossible!

[Anonymous No.10058909]

>>10054968
He's like Howard Hughes, except instead of washing his hands 30 times a day his weakness is shitposting on twitter.

[Anonymous No.10058955]

>>10058736
>He believes everything Musk tells him
Why is there no critical thinking on this board?

[Anonymous No.10059048]

>>10054968
>implying elon musk isn't literally the second coming of Jesus

[Anonymous No.10059255]

>>10059048
>implying he isnt

[Anonymous No.10059260]

>all the inconvenience of space travel right here on earth

[Anonymous No.10059261]

Fuck rich people who aren't artists and fuck capitalism.

[Anonymous No.10059264]

>>10059261
BASED and REDPILLED

[Anonymous No.10059267]

test

[Anonymous No.10059269]

>>10059261
fuck off braindead leftists, reddit is that way <<

[Anonymous No.10059273]

>>10055087
converting transportation to electricity is HARDER than just building carbon-neutral power plants, and needs to be worked on right now if we want to decarbonize, you fool

electric cars are more important than even renewables when it comes to mitigation of climate change

[Anonymous No.10059281]

>>10058659
> This makes reusable rockets reality. NASA and the like didn't plan on doing this because there was no incentive to actually do this.

Bullshit. NASA has tried to develop reusable rockets for decades. Shuttle, DC-X, Venture Star ring a bell? Reusability was the dominant paradigm for NASA ever since the end of Apollo up to end of Shuttle. You are not just wrong, but spectacularly wrong.

SpaceX succeeded where NASA failed despite spending $ tens of billions and decades trying to achieve reusability.

[Anonymous No.10059283]

>>10059269
Reddit is more right-wing than 4chan, you brownnosing turd.

[Anonymous No.10059286]

>>10059283

>Reddit is more right-wing than 4chan

[Anonymous No.10059289]

>>10059283
>Reddit is more right-wing than 4chan

not sure if serious post..

[Anonymous No.10059294]

>>10059283
>Reddit is more right-wing than 4chan
oh wow, I am sure them nazis on /pol/ would be elated to hear the good news, the reich must be just around the corner

[Anonymous No.10060253]

>>10054968
he seriously overworks himself (100-hr weeks are his normal). The recent problems and mistweets are probably due to this, and he is headed for a major nervous breakdown at this rate.

[Anonymous No.10060393]

>>10059283
Go home, you’re drunk.

[Anonymous No.10060509]

>>10059283

[Anonymous No.10060549]

>>10059048
M8 if he lands some people on Mars he will quite literally become a religious figure.

[Anonymous No.10060741]

>>10059281
SpaceX isn't reusing anything mate. They are running into the exact same problem that made NASA ultimately drop the reusability concept, and that is that reusable rockets are not possible, only refurbishable ones, and that makes economically not much sense.

[Anonymous No.10060748]

>>10060741
Yeah, and sure for you they will not achieve reusability until a rocket land in the middle of nowhere, strap the new payload on a rack, refuel at the neatrst gas station, piss and take off.

[Anonymous No.10060753]

>>10055288
me too

[Anonymous No.10060839]

>>10055087
cringe and bluepilled
what companies have you built?

[Anonymous No.10060848]

>>10060839
>s-stop criticizing r-r-ich people are you insane?!

[Anonymous No.10061473]

>>10059283

[Anonymous No.10061718]

>>10054968
He surrounds him self with yes men, his board of directors is mostly just elon musk and some rowdy mates. This allows things like the hyperloop to get planned and eat up a fuck ton of money before people realize air resistance really isn't a big enough limiting factor for trains that you build a billion dollar vacuum tube that could be royally fucked if you shoot it.

Also there was a Tesla employee who exposed the fact that a fault with the factory was piercing batteries (only effected about 500 cars but still) Elon said "what a cunt get him sued" but didn't because he had no legal standing.

Tesla also make shitty cars that break down.

SpaceX is good but not really a new idea in any regard. Siberia is still probably the best place to launch a satellite

[Anonymous No.10061868]

>>10061718
This.

And with Angara coming on line soon the supposd spacex "dominance" in the launch market is coming to an end.

No subsidies are going to save him with real competition comes in.

[Anonymous No.10062642]

>>10060741
We'll see about that. They're just now starting to get a stock of the models made for multiple reuses (Block 5). Every booster up until Block 5 was built just well enough to survive a single reuse so they could get enough data points on wear and tear to beef up the right parts and build true reusability into Block 5, BFR, and beyond. It's a sort of crawl before you walk kind of deal.

We should be seeing the first 3rd and likely 4th reflights within the coming year.

[Anonymous No.10062887]

>>10062642
You need to stop lying. We already have 6 Block 5 launches, and again, no more than one reuse.

[Anonymous No.10062910]

>>10054968
The Tesla factory is notoriously unsafe with 5+ 911 calls sometimes being made in a single day and over twice the injury rate of the average industry plant. Safety training is so shit that managers have to create their own programs behind the company's back to ensure that their employees don't literally fucking die.

He's an egomaniac that has no idea how to manage his image or social media presence and got investigated for fraud by the SEC and forced to resign as chairman of his board because of a fucking tweet. Not to mention the whole cave diver lawsuit that he roped himself into.

Also, the whole mars idea sounds great but once you actually look into realistic plans for human expansion in space the moon is nearly always a better option. Elon only picked mars instead because he wanted the credit for being the first to get a man there. There's absolutely no practical application.

[Anonymous No.10062916]

>>10062910
>the moon is nearly always a better option

lel you want to talk about jello babies? how about lunar fucking gravity? Or maybe we could talk about lunar dust which is even more evil than martian dust?

How about the fact it requires almost the same energy to transfer to mars orbit as lunar orbit?

The fact that everything is more difficult because there is 0 atmosphere to dispense waste heat into?

The list goes on, the moon is garbage and there is no reason to pick it other than a short transit time.

[Anonymous No.10062929]

>>10062916
>How about the fact it requires almost the same energy to transfer to mars orbit as lunar orbit?

>muh delta-v

you can go to moon and back at any time and the journes takes 2 days. you can go to mars or back only every 2 years and the journey takes 6 months. i dont know if you realize this, just the payload of ressources you need to survive the 6 months journey is 10-25 tons for a crew of 5-12 people. you can already survive 6 months on the moon with the ressources you need just to get to mars. so you could instead take significant amounts of ressources/materials/machinery with you. the slightly better ressource endowment does not at all justify the way bigger transportation costs.

[Anonymous No.10063308]

>>10062929
Would making a launch pad on the moon be a good idea then?

[Anonymous No.10065173]

>>10058819
LMAO

[Anonymous No.10065194]

>>10055087
Also ok with this

[Anonymous No.10065233]

Elon Musk is an obvious fraud.
https://weev.livejournal.com/414065.html

[Anonymous No.10065362]

>>10065233
>Unironically linking weev

Almost fell out my chair laughing.

[Anonymous No.10065393]

>>10060839
>the worth of your opinions is dictated by how many companies you've built
>you can't criticize anyone in any way shape or form if you haven't built more companies than him

[Anonymous No.10065465]

>>10059261
>implying engineering design and science in general isnt an art
>>10058174
electric cars, with their electricity consumption related to fossil fuels, get something like 184 miles per gallon, which is 10x more than some gas cars

He's clearly takes part in the r&d of his companies and things like landing rocket boosters and marketing solar are really excellent contributions to society
>obviously still not even anywhere in the realm of good enough, but trying and worthy of encouragement

I'd say he's over critical of AI and he under-acknowledged the cave rescue divers

[Anonymous No.10065501]

>>10054968
Ask him why he's secretly building killing robots even thou he denies it and signed he wouldn't do it.

If he claims he isn't doing it, ask him how does he wants to defend against killing robots without killing robots.

[Anonymous No.10065504]

>>10065501
>>10054968
Don't forget to post results.

[Anonymous No.10065717]

>>10065501
Honestly I hope he is. Robot armies when?