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10049593 No.10049593 [Reply] [Original]

Why is the flu vaccine being pushed on the general public? Up until a few years ago, it was only recommended for elderly people, pregnant women and healthcare workers. Now "The WHO and CDC recommend yearly vaccination for nearly all people over the age of six months".

>> No.10049642
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10049642

>>10049593
Even if the effectiveness is like super low, the vaccine still provides for a lot more productive workers on a population scale, who would call sick otherwise. Imagine the damage to the economy, because people are too cheap pay for a 20-40 bucks vaccine.

>> No.10049654

>>10049593
>Up until a few years ago, it was only recommended for elderly people, pregnant women and healthcare workers.
You have a source on that? Because as far back as I can remember it's always been recommended for everyone.

>> No.10049683

>>10049593
Simple, it is because of the jews. The jews don't want people to die of preventable diseases because they are that nice, many of them even donate to various foundations that provide the medicine. Many others serve in these organizations.

Thank you, jews :)

>> No.10050537

>>10049593
I have never gotten a flu shot, and I've only caught the flu once.

>> No.10050538

>>10049593
sick people hurt the countries gross domestic product. thats really all it is, they want everyone to get the shot so no one misses work.

>> No.10050548

>>10049593
I'm not sure your statement is at all correct -- it is recommended particularly for the elderly and such, but is generally recommended to everybody.

But assume you were correct -- why might they limit the breadth of the recommendation at one point, and expand it later on?

One possible answer would be that they are able to make more of the vaccine now than previously. Perhaps others would occur to the interested observer.

>> No.10050639

>>10050548
I vaguely remember a few years ago there was a nasty strain that was going around one season, but there was a shortage of vaccines for that particular strain so they wanted to make sure the most high risk people had access to it.

>> No.10050697

>>10049593
Never got a flu shot in the first place, yet have no flu.
Tfw no double blind tests found showing, significant effectivity.

Getting the flu (unless you're immune) or taking the shot (could be flulaval, containing about 50 ppm organic mercury, in 0.5 ml shot it's about 25 mcg. Therefor pick your poison

But remember, mercury exposure is cumulative and half life of ethyl mercury and methyl mercury is longer in brain than in blood, thus harder to detect once not tested within 24 hours after exposure.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/this-years-flu-vaccine-may-only-be-10-effective-experts-warn/
http://time.com/5138100/how-effective-is-the-2018-flu-shot/

>> No.10050699

Because the world is an overgrown petri-dish and people are dying you cretin.

>> No.10050701

>>10049654
There are several inserts stating that mercury (thimerosal) containing vaccines shouldn't be given to pregnant women.

https://db.cbg-meb.nl/Bijsluiters/h17639.pdf
>states that this tetanus shot shouldn't be given to pregnant women bc there's an alternative that doesn't contain thimerosal.

Any then there are "experts" claiming it's safe?
the irony

>> No.10050704

>>10049593
Because people die of the flu, or complications of the flu, every year.

>> No.10050780

>>10049593
Because mercury and acumulative brain damage.

>> No.10050811

>get the flu vaccine
>develop life long chronic illnesses, neurological issues and possibly cancers
>didn't get the flu tho

>> No.10051017

>>10049593
Sterilization and lifespan reduction. Maybe to put RF responsive nanomachines in the body or viruses that will infiltrate the glia and reactivate with the proper signals, ie, a built in kill switch. Or they're just to make you stupid, and make them money.

It's a scam regardless, and probably evil.

>> No.10051065

>>10050811
at least you didn't get the flu

>> No.10051077

>>10051065
>get flu vaccine
>become vaccine injured
>get the flu anyways
>feelsbadman

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>>10051077
lol...
>the point we're at

>> No.10051083

>>10050697
>Never got a flu shot in the first place, yet have no flu.
no shit you fucking retard, how do you think herd immunity works? sadly the vaccinated are literally protecting you dumbfucks from killing each other off

>> No.10051204

>>10050697
I got a flu shot every year since birth (due to genetic chronic respiratory problems) and I never got the flu either. What's your point?

>> No.10051229

>>10050701
This is a tetanus vaccine, why are you lying about flu vaccines?

>> No.10051233

>>10051229
Their post literally says it's a tetanus vaccine. What's the matter with you?

>> No.10051266

>>10051233
He was asked to prove a claim about flu vaccines, you illiterate retard.

>> No.10051268

>>10050780
The mercury that leaves the body in weeks? Oh no.

>> No.10051270

$$$$$$$$

>> No.10051272

So is there a mentally ill vaccine denier samefag using proxies or is did a bunch of them decide to all post the same thing in this thread?

>> No.10051274

>>10051266
There's evidence showing increased immune activity whether from a vaccine, or contracting an actual flu, particularly in the mid second trimester of pregnancy greatly increases the risk of autism after birth, and schizophrenia later in life.

And no. Flu shots never used to be pushed on the general population and they never used to be intentionally offered to pregnant women. You never used to see signs int he windows of the drug stores placed on every street corner, you never used to see signs in every super market with a pharmacy aggressively suggesting you get a flu shot or incentivizing the shot with 20% off your groceries. There never used to be such pressure behind it, the manner and degree of push is very new. The whole character of the matter has been gradually changing, now we're in a place where it's disturbing, omnipresent, and quite overt.

>> No.10051276

>>10051017
Put your tinfoil hat on, uncle, and go home.

>> No.10051278

>>10051276
I'm objectively right.

>> No.10051279

>>10051274
Good. Vaccines should be mandatory and required to even be in the general population.

>> No.10051280

>>10051278
Nope.

>> No.10051281

>>10051279
Weaponized idiots.

>> No.10051285

>>10051274
So just more retarded claims and no proof. Thanks for destroying your credibility immediately, liar.

>> No.10051287

>>10049593
preventive medicine is a fuckton cheaper that regular medicine

>> No.10051290

>>10051285
Well, I'm not going to let them forcibly vaccinate me, and I know broader public thought probably can't be changed. So all I can say is enjoy your poor health and brain damage. Follow that Judas goat right up the ramp like good cattle.

:^)

>> No.10051294

>>10051290
And yet again you fail to provide proof of a single claim. Wow, too bad vaccine deniers have this one little weakness: they can't stop lying.

>> No.10051297

>>10051294
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

>> No.10051299

>>10051297
>posts thread making claims
>asked to provide proof
>haha I don't care if you believe me
Then why make the thread?

>> No.10051301

>>10051299
I'm not the OP. I decided to participate on a hit and run basis, at the present time.

>> No.10051304

>>10051301
So why are you lying?

>> No.10051312

>>10051304
I'm not.

>> No.10051316

>>10051312
You just lied again.

>> No.10051323

>>10051316
You believed you were correct, but weren't.

>> No.10051342
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Boy do I love getting my INJECTION OF MISCELLANEOUS CHEMICALS shot straight into my blood. I look out for my health and eat right most of the time and my wife and I are thinking of having a baby, we want to raise it right take care of it and GIVE IT SEVERAL DOZEN DOSES OF TOXIC ADJUVANTS STRAIGHT INTO ITS BLOOD ON IT'S FIRST DAY OF LIFE. Only the best for our children!

>> No.10051343

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AK9ypglecg&t=1s

The vaccine industry literally admitting they don't care about the vaccine injured.

>> No.10051367

>>10050537
>I have never gotten a flu shot, and I've only caught the flu once.

Now how many people do you think you acted as a vector for passing the flu on, harboring it despite not getting any clinical symptoms from it?

Not having any clinical symptoms is not the same as not getting the disease.

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>>10051342
Optimized.

>> No.10051471

>>10050811
I've worked as a nursing assistant starting out of high school. Now I'm a physician. So I get various injections for surveillance for TB, influenza annually, for more than 10 years now. No problems here!

>> No.10051855

Only time in my life that I've gotten the flu was after getting the flu shot. And yes, it was actually the flu, not a cold. I was practically bedridden for a week.

I wonder if being immunized against the wrong strain of the flu increases your susceptibility to other strains.

>> No.10051887

>>10051287
Thank you, sane person.

>> No.10051932

How do you browse /sci/ and not understand the concept of herd immunity

>> No.10051948

>>10051932
How can herd immunity develop if the vaccine is only 10-50% effective?

>> No.10051969

>>10051083
>how do you think herd immunity works?
In case of flu it DOESN'T, because the majority of population doesn't get vaccinated every year.

>> No.10052066

>>10051287
>preventive medicine is a fuckton cheaper that regular medicine
>they want you to spend less
poor little boy

>> No.10052078

>>10049593
The pharmaceutical companies who make and profit off of vaccines run the government.

>> No.10052139

>>10051948
It can't, and herd immunity doesn't exist anyway.

>> No.10052186

>>10049642
If this is the case it's still pretty dumb, they're creating a weak point in their own society. Imagine how much attention it would draw if, for example, America proudly announced that all of its citizens were recieving flew vaccinations at least once every 5 years. Idk about you, but if I was a terrorist, I would contaminate that vaccine with something, statistically, depending on the batch size, you could put 1/5th of the country's population in whatever condition you deem fit for your cause.

>> No.10052193

They're trying to create a flu strain that's immune to the human immune system by using people as incubators. Giving everyone the flu vaccine ensures only the most virulent and deadly strains of flu survive.

>> No.10052731

>>10049683
Kappa 123

>> No.10053130

>>10052066
Who buys medicine for a cold

>> No.10053385

>>10053130
>Who buys preventive medicine for a cold
Now "The WHO and CDC recommend yearly vaccination for nearly all people over the age of six months".

>> No.10053528 [DELETED] 

>>10049593
The Jewish pharmaceutical companies profiting off of the government by fear mongering. Now instead of the population naturally developing antibodies to the flu in their younger years, the goyim will be dependent on a vaccine for the rest of their life because they shill the lie “think of the old people with weak immune systems goyim”.

Eventually we’ll all be forced by the government to take the (((flu vaccine))) so some 80 year old boomer can live two months longer.

>> No.10053531

>>10053528
most pharmaceutical companies are owned and run by gentiles, in fact its one of the most white dominated of all the major industries on Earth you stupid nigger

>> No.10053536 [DELETED] 

>>10053531
Gentiles like the (((Sackler))) family and (((Purdue Pharma)))?

How many shekels are you getting for each post?

>> No.10053539

>>10053536
those aren't even remotely the biggest pharmaceutical firms in america or the world you stupid fucking faggot, you picked one issue that was spread on /pol/ and ran with it. There are instances of pharma corps owned or run by Jews but they are rare as its mostly a gentile, white european, dominated industry just like Defense, Chemicals, agrotech, and extractions.

>> No.10053540

>>10053536
I like this paren syntax.

>> No.10053545

>>10049593
I guess you are too young to remember the SARS and Pig flu panics...

>> No.10053546

>>10053539
>one issue

You mean the “one issue” that is the entire opiate epidemic (and the single biggest killer of whites) in the United States? That “one issue”?

>> No.10053566

>>10053385
That's dumb, they have no idea what long term affects it might have on toddlers, they should at least conduct a long term study before putting all their faith into it.

>> No.10053568

>>10053566
What if they do know?

>> No.10053657

>>10053568
They could only suspect, I don't know of any studies that have been done

>> No.10053687

>>10053657
>They could only suspect
Unless...

>> No.10053835

>>10052193
>They're trying to create a flu strain that's immune to the human immune system by using people as incubators. Giving everyone the flu vaccine ensures only the most virulent and deadly strains of flu survive.

I've thought about this. If we achieve perfect herd immunity, can't it also in a make us more vulnerable under extreme circumstances?

If everyone's immune system is similar, when a supervirus that can penetrate it develops, it can wipe out entire countries quickly. As opposed to a more varied, heterogenous set of immune systems within a herd.

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There's some major 0wn4g3 on the horizon.

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>>10051204
>anecdotal
Why do studies show only about less than 50% difference between vaccine and placebo?

>>10051083
>Muh herd immunity
It's not the herd since most people don't take flu shots in my nationstate. It's more bc of hygiene and nutrition.

>>10051276
>Strawman fallacy
Many times seen this one happening by the status quo.
Another fallacy that occurs many times are rationalization and ad hominem. Faulty analogy is just questionable whether it appears or not, but the term conspiracy theorist is one used to dismiss people from being critical. This one is coined by the CIA (pic related).

>> No.10054087 [DELETED] 

Flu shots are for CIA brainwashed nigger cattle.

>> No.10054094

>>10054069
You need only utter the magic phrases, and they'll do whatever you want.

Thought is irrelevant. You can have 10 people with the same covert opinion standing around talking via the common interface of the overall cultural narrative, about something they all know is false. When one of them suggests it may be false, the others converge on them and put them in their place to prove they're with it and to remain secure in the group. They comprise 20% or so. The others will remain quiet and passive. Then someone speaks the Magic Phrase and it's all over. He is a conspiracy theorist and we cannot engage in communication with him, else we are also pariahs. And so forth, it is all very simple.

Magic words. And they shut right up, and they open their ears, and they will watch you and each other in turn. And they do whatever you want.

>> No.10054100

>>10053546
>single biggest killer of whites
That would be heart disease brainlet

>> No.10054103

>>10053687
Unless your mum gay

>> No.10054106

>>10054103
gonna tap u in ur sack m8 if u talk about my mum m8
ill reck u my man

>> No.10054107

>>10053835
That's what I've been saying, the key to humanity's survival is in diversity and adaptability, everyone having the exact same immunities is a huge weak point.

>> No.10054109

>>10054106
Tap my sack, maybe I'll enjoy it

>> No.10054114

>>10054109
m8 ill tap ur sac rite offn of there n we sea hw u enjy tht js gvme resun

>> No.10054192

>>10050811
Well, shit, one guys anecdotal story with no hint that he has evidence of any linkage between his vaccine and his illness -- that's good enough for me! Pass the tinfoil, I'm joining your little club!

>> No.10054194

>>10051272
>One guy repeating talking points
>Several guys repeating talking points

What differnence would it make?

>> No.10054195

>>10051274
>Muh aggressive signs

Dude, you need to get those paranoia symptoms checked before they get infected.

>> No.10054199

>>10051855
>practically bedridden

So, not bedridden then?

>> No.10054203

>>10052193
It would have been simpler to just type "I have no idea how the flu vaccine works."

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>>10053528

<------- /pol/

You have to go back.

>> No.10054211

>>10054195
Do you have Shaws in your area? It's the one with the dark background, and a guy in a freshly starched and pressed lab coat with his arms cross looking sternly at you. He has the hair, the facial structure / 50's era jaw line, and blue eyes of course, the archetypal all American professional man. The text informs you that you need to get a flu shot. There are also signs saying you'll get 20% off your groceries if you get the free flu shot, and repeated announcements over the speaker system.

If you're alright with that being normal, remember what hell you chose.

>> No.10054217

>>10054195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9F9JIuyWGc

>> No.10054220

>>10054211
>feeling bullied by a sign

Man up.

>> No.10054230

>>10054220
Not the point. A man can face the full brunt of the problem at hand, a child retreats and distorts the conversation. Your signal has been received.

>> No.10054234

>>10049593
Only in America, maybe the virus got stronger. Here in Europe it's only for elderly and healthcare people.

>> No.10054355

>>10052186
But there's already plenty such hypothetical weak points. Why not poison the DPT vaccine instead or more effective even target the cheapest most popular painkiller brand?
The sabotage would obviously be noticed and the batch withdrawn from the market before it would affect 1/5th of the population. It's not unlikely this scheme would fall apart even before the product reaches the consumer due to random sample quality control.
>Imagine how much attention it would draw if, for example, America proudly announced that all of its citizens were recieving flew vaccinations at least once every 5 years.
But i find this to be the most unrealistic part of your hypothetical scenario. I live in a country with socialized healthcare with private options. Even if the WHO recommends to get your annual flu shot, health insurances would never cover it. They cover almost nothing that is this affordable for the individual and not life-threatening to the majority of the population, because they have to operate profitable. So I can't imagine the USA covering flu shots for their entire population. This is just too unrealistic.

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>>10054355
Flu shots are covered by medicare, medicaid, and are even free in many locations in the US.

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>tfw when US healthcare is for once better than in my socdem utopia

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>>10054375
>Systematically duping people into getting who knows what injected into them.
>Doing this at scale, year after year.
I'm not sure that this is a good thing.

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>>10049683
Thank you based merchant.

>> No.10054396

>>10049593
The vaccine doesn't prevent you from GETTING flu, it prevents you from SPREADING it.
It's not "get this so you won't get that." It's "get this so everyone around you won't get that."

It's easier, cheaper, and can be sold at the same price.

>> No.10054429

>>10049593
flu shots are a plan by the jews to lower the testosterone levels of white men. they're worse than flouride.

>> No.10054473

>>10054396
>it prevents you from SPREADING it
>Maybe
>If it's that one particular strain

>> No.10054497

>>10053528
This, end of thread.

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>>10049683
Thanks, Jews.

>> No.10054508

>>10054473
>if it's those 3 to 4 particular strains

>> No.10054524

>>10054094
>Hidden strawman fallacy
>Not showing proof of effectivity
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/35/2/337/694702/Evidence-of-bias-in-estimates-of-influenza-vaccine

Also why are more medics opting out of flu shots (In Euirope)?

About fluoride, why have EU nations banned water fluoridation?

>> No.10054537

>>10054524
>About fluoride, why have EU nations banned water fluoridation?
Cuz' it causes brain damage at very low concentrations and there's no reason to be taking it internally when it does all of its work topically. It fucks up absorption and trafficking of iodine and antagonizes iodine binding sites.

It goofs you up. It's a goof. We knew that back when DuPont was first manufacturing freon, ffs.

shaking my head, family.

>> No.10054547

>>10053546
heart disease, cancer, medical error all kill more whites you dumb fucking retard and not everyone who takes opioids is taking Oxycontin, they’re also taking Fentanyl, Vicodin, Percocet, Morphine, Bueprenorphine, Methadone etc all of which are manufactured by different companies. Think for 5 minutes about an issue that bothers you emotionally before making proclamations about it.

>> No.10055192

>>10054114
You 'r e mime big bgay

>> No.10055195

>>10051274
The quality of response to your observation is astounding.

>> No.10055199

>>10054375
I mean, people still get rejected at the hospital door if they can't pay, or thrown into the streets..

>> No.10055203

>>10051855
>I wonder if being immunized against the wrong strain of the flu increases your susceptibility to other strains.
There was a research project in Africa that showed vaccinated population had increased immunity against things they hadn't been vaccinated against. Annoyingly, because I'm one of those insane rabid anti-vaxxers y'all hear about and would lynch if you could, you fucking morons. But the African study perhaps shouldn't be a taken as relevant to a Western population with better standards of nutrition etc.

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>>10052186
>could put 1/5th of the country's population in whatever condition you deem fit for your cause.
LSD. With a pre-arranged bombing of social media with information on what to do if you have been 'poisoned'; play music, hug your neighbour, dance, love, meditate, sit with nature, think about saving the planet, give your wealth away. 1/5th of the population becomes the answer overnight.

>> No.10055218

>>10054396
>The vaccine doesn't prevent you from GETTING flu, it prevents you from SPREADING it
Um, definition of vaccine? Retard?

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>>10051272
>japan bans mmr
>japan bans HPV
>european countries have 1/3 the vaccines the U.S does and has lower rates of sids, chronic illness and autism
>the unvaccinated hover between 15-20% in the U.S
>mfw he thinks it's only 1 guy on a proxy

>> No.10055296

>>10055241
It's more like:
>Japan is overly cautious about vaccines
>Has higher incidences of vaccine preventable diseases
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4300546/

>>japan bans HPV
Liar.

>>european countries have 1/3 the vaccines the U.S does and has lower rates of sids, chronic illness and autism
Well that settles it, there can be no other explanations.

You have to be mentally ill to be this dishonest.

>> No.10055342

>>10055296
>infections not deaths
Next you're gonna be telling me chicken pox is deadly because everyone gets it

Oh sorry, my bad on that, they just withdrew it from the government recommendation.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/1/16723912/japan-hpv-vaccine

And then nobody used it and vaccination rates for hpv went to almost 0%

Honestly, you could of argued better, if you just focused on me mistaking the hpv ban then you might've had something but all I did was state actual facts, didn't know that made me dishonest.

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/globalsummary/countries?countrycriteria%5Bcountry%5D%5B%5D=USA&commit=OK

>> No.10055358

>>10054199
so if someone practically beat you to death:
>so not beaten to death?

>> No.10055404

>>10055342
>>infections not deaths
Non sequitur

>https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/1/16723912/japan-hpv-vaccine
Did you read the article? It explains how the vaccine panic in Japan is completely idiotic and unscientific. But somehow you take this as supporting your claims. Pathetic.

>> No.10055417

>>10055404
It's not a non sequitur you retard, you can't call a disease fatal if it doesn't kill people, like I said, chicken pox.

I never said I agreed with the article, all I said was that the government went against HPV and people stopped using it, but cry more.

>> No.10055440

>>10055417
>It's not a non sequitur you retard, you can't call a disease fatal if it doesn't kill people, like I said, chicken pox.
Where did I call any disease fatal?

>I never said I agreed with the article, all I said was that the government went against HPV and people stopped using it, but cry more.
Whether or not you agree with reality is irrelevant.

>> No.10055462

>>10055417
What are you talking about retard? Measles, influenza, pertussis, and tetanus cause about 15% of child deaths.

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>>10055440
I called you out on you only posting infections not deaths you called non sequitur like a retard. infection rates are stupid and deaths are what are important because you pro-vaxxers are adamant that measles are deadly and killed a gajillion people when in reality maybe 500 deaths a year in the 1950's in the U.S which is astoundingly low.

Doesn't matter if I agree, almost nobody vaccinates for HPV in Japan anymore whether you want to agree with that reality doesn't matter.

>>10055462
See chart and then learn your place.

>> No.10055476

>>10054396
We know that this is the premise used to push vaccines, you RETARD. We disagree with its ABSURDITY.

>> No.10055487

>>10055466
>infection rates are stupid and deaths are what are important
>are

Why are you still here? Seriously, and honestly speaking, you will find yourself more comfortable at /pol/.


>Severe Complications
>Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.

>As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
>About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.
>For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.
>Measles may cause pregnant woman to give birth prematurely, or have a low-birth-weight baby.

>The Measles chapter of the Epidemiology and Prevention of Vaccine Preventable Diseases (Pink Book) describes measles complications in more depth.

>Long-term Complications
>Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) is a very rare, but fatal disease of the central nervous system that results from a measles virus infection acquired earlier in life. SSPE generally develops 7 to 10 years after a person has measles, even though the person seems to have fully recovered from the illness. Since measles was eliminated in 2000, SSPE is rarely reported in the United States.

>Among people who contracted measles during the resurgence in the United States in 1989 to 1991, 4 to 11 out of every 100,000 were estimated to be at risk for developing SSPE. The risk of developing SSPE may be higher for a person who gets measles before they are two years of age. For more information, see Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE):

>> No.10055490

>>10055466
>I called you out on you only posting infections not deaths you called non sequitur like a retard. infection rates are stupid and deaths are what are important because you pro-vaxxers are adamant that measles are deadly and killed a gajillion people when in reality maybe 500 deaths a year in the 1950's in the U.S which is astoundingly low.
And preventing hundreds of deaths a year in one country (plus thousands of cases of mental retardation caused by measles which you of ignore) is somehow bad? What exactly is your point? Why would vaccines only be effective if they prevented a lot of deaths?

>Doesn't matter if I agree, almost nobody vaccinates for HPV in Japan anymore whether you want to agree with that reality doesn't matter.
Yeah almost no one vaccinates for HPV because retards like you lied to people and ignored the scientific evidence showing the vaccine to be safe. Thank you for admitting that you are a dishonest liar and that vaccines are effective and safe.

>See chart and then learn your place.
>The US is the entire world.

>> No.10055499

>tfw haven't had a flu shot in over 10 years
>haven't been sick for most of those years
Feels good man.

>> No.10055502
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10055502

>MEASLES ARE DEADLY
>O-ok measles aren't deadly but they still cause problems!
>>10055487
No sources, literally just taken from the CDC webpage obviously though, good try faggot. Also they use global statistics that include 3rd world countries, you are comparing children with silver spoons in their mouth to those that drink poop water, you are retarded.

>>10055490
I never admitted vaccines are safe or that i lied but good job being a faggot, I simply stated that Japan removed it from their schedule and nobody vaccinates against it because it is the people's choice and gave an article to show you this.

You're both retarded, you can't call measles deadly then give me fucking no proof of the amount of children who die in a first world country.

Remember that VAERS does not work and the CDC does not do long term studies.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/tools/parents-guide/parents-guide-part4.html

>Q: How do we know vaccines aren’t causing long-term health problems?
A: Observing vaccinated children for many years to look for long-term health conditions would not be practical, and withholding an effective vaccine

https://www.congress.gov/106/crpt/hrpt977/CRPT-106hrpt977.pdf

>Former FDA Commissioner David A. Kessler has estimated that VAERS reports currently represent only a fraction of the serious adverse events

https://healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
>fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.

http://vaers-2016-reports.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
>tfw 432 deaths
>tfw its only 1% adverse events
>tfw 43,200 deaths reports estimate in one year from vaccines

>> No.10055518

>>10055499
>the flu is the same that the common cold

Officially, this is the brainlet thread of the weekend.

>> No.10055519

>>10055502
>No sources, literally just taken from the CDC webpage obviously though

I'll paste you their references if you don't want to go there:

References
Barrero PR, Grippo J, Viegas M, Mistchenko AS. Wild-type Measles Virus in Brain Tissue of Children with Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis, Argentina. Emerg Infect Dis. 2003; 9:1333-1336.
Bellini, W.J., Rota, J.S., Lowe L.E., et al. Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis: More Cases of this Fatal Disease are Prevented by Measles Immunization than Previously Recognized. J Infect Dis. 2005;192:1686-1693.
Bonthius DJ, Stanek N, Grose C. Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis, a Measles Complication, in an Internationally Adopted Child. Emerg Infect Dis. 2000. 6:377-381.
Campbell H, Andrews N, Brown KE and Miller E. Review of the effect of measles vaccination on the epidemiology of SSPE. Int J Epidemiol. 2007;36:1334-1348.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis Surveillance–United States. MMWR. 1982. 31:585-8.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Epidemiology and Prevention of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases. Chapter 10, Measles. 8th Edition, 2004.
Jin L, Beard S, Brown DWG, Miller E. Characterization of Measles Virus Strains Causing SSPE: A Study of 11 Cases. J of Neurovirol. 2002; 8:335-344.
Miller C, Farrington CP, Harbert K. The Epidemiology of Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis in England and Wales 1970-1989. Int J Epidemiol. 1992; 21:998-1006.

>> No.10055526

>>10055502
Its' another adverse events are 100% caused by vaccines post.
Its another use the statements of one guy as fact and then extrapolate data post.

>> No.10055542

>>10055502
>>MEASLES ARE DEADLY
>O-ok measles aren't deadly but they still cause problems!
Your own chart shows that it can be fatal, moron. And you ignored the other harmful effects, because you are a dishonest hack.

>I never admitted vaccines are safe or that i lied but good job being a faggot, I simply stated that Japan removed it from their schedule and nobody vaccinates against it because it is the people's choice and gave an article to show you this.
The article showed that the reason they did this is because of pseudoscientific fearmongering, which is the basis of your entire argument. What a poignant example of being hoisted by one's own petard.

>tfw 432 deaths
>tfw its only 1% adverse events
>tfw 43,200 deaths reports estimate in one year from vaccines
You are making two very wrong assumptions here, that adverse events reported are caused by vaccines, and that the report rate is not affected by the severity of the event (i.e. that deaths would be just as likely to not be reported as a cough).

Again, only a mentally ill person would argue like this. Seek psychiatric help.

>> No.10055552

>>10055542
>And you ignored the other harmful effects, because you are a dishonest hack.

Let's not forget the economic aspects. A measles shot costs what? cents? a dollar with the application costs included? the treatment of measles goes for several weeks and costs several hundredths. If it gets complicated and lets life-lasting effect the costs of the treatment of that condition goes to the thousands of USD per year, not to mention that you could leave a person defenseless and incapable of providing for him/her self.

No matter if you have a utilitarian view or a social justice view, the conclusion is obvious that the benefits of shots overwhelm the risks.

>> No.10055560

>>10055212
Fucking do it, I'm down

>> No.10055571

>>10055552
Not to refute but CDC says MMR is $21/dose, your math on the advantages still totally checks out.

>> No.10055572

>>10055542
>less than 1 deaths per 100k is deadly, damn didn't know until now.

I don't care what the article shows? I never said I did, I simply stated that nobody uses the HPV vaccine anymore,I never said for what reason for if the article's reasoning for it was right but way to put words into my mouth like the faggot you are.

I said estimated, not directly caused, this is for trend catching, vaers doesn't work and therefore no reproting system. Also note that the FDA commissioner himself stated even SERIOUS adverse events are only a fraction so fuck off with that "hurr coughs dont get reported but deaths definitely do!"

>>10055552
>treatment of measles
you mean stay in bed for a week? I didn't know that costs billions of dollars a year.

Also vaccine compensation program reports 4 billion dollars paid out with a 250k cap per person but gj tho faggot. Couple this with major under reporting as said above.

>> No.10055588

>>10055572
>you mean stay in bed for a week?

wat?

>> No.10055595

>>10055572
>you mean stay in bed for a week?
For a healty adult this is the best case scenario. Doing the math you still have positive outcomes because the vaccine costs 45 bucks for an adult dose AKA 6.2 hours of minimum wage work.

For children or old people the disease is much worse.
For infants the disease can be deadly.

>> No.10055598

>>10055595
>infants get immunity through breast feeding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7zwNZOg8mE
Literally nobody thought this disease was deadly and had measles parties because it was so silly, exactly like chicken pox and mumps, both childhood diseases that nobody that was deadly.

>> No.10055603

>>10055572
>you mean stay in bed for a week?

Analgesics, protein and vitamin supplements. Antibiotics if the immune system becomes too weak and an infection starts and spread, if this fails, it complicates into pneumonia, that needs hospitalization.

Not the mention the cost of school/work hours lost, not only for the patient but also for the caregiver, being a familiar or a health professional.

>> No.10055608

>>10055598
Passive immunity to measles, mumps and rubella can last for up to a year, which is why the MMR vaccine is given just after your baby's first birthday.

>> No.10055616

>>10055598
>Literally nobody thought this disease was deadly

Dude...>>10055466

>> No.10055623

>>10055603
How much shit do you give your kid every time he gets a runny nose? Do you rush him to the doctor and make sure his blood is 90% chemicals to protect him?

Just give him chicken soup and have him read a book in bed, shits not complicated, it's how my grandparents and their friends all did it in the 1950's-1970's, none of them have EVER heard of a death from measles and loved it because they got to stay home from school.

>>10055616
Uh, look at the chart in the 1950's, notice how nobody was dying? measles deaths was down 99% since the last 1800's, life just got better and people weren't drinking shit water.

>> No.10055639

>>10055623
>my grandparents and their friends all did it in the 1950's-1970's
Underage ban incoming.

>> No.10055652

>>10055623
>people weren't drinking shit water.

yeah, because water is the main vector of the disease, everyone knows that.

>> No.10055671

>>10055639
My grandparents were born in the 1940's how is that even underage, you can't even do basic addition.

We'll be generous and say my GP and parents both had kids at 30, that would make me 18 MINIMUM.

>>10055652
Yes actually, polio spreads through fecal matter, when people started using plumbing we weren't drinking shit contaminated water and polio wasn't spread anywhere near as easily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis

>Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth.[1] It may also be spread by food or water containing human feces and less commonly from infected saliva.

Come on, you aren't even trying anymore, it's on wikipedia for gods sake, do you even know what these diseases are? clearly you just hear the CDC screaming about a crazy disease that makes your eyeballs fall out and your brain melts.

>> No.10055701

>>10055671
>born in the 1940s
>stayed home from school in the 1950-1970s
how far were they held back?

>> No.10055709

>>10055701
grandparents in 1940's, friends they knew later on, and their children.

>> No.10055715

>>10055709
>My grandparents have friends 20 years younger than them.
So you're saying they were in a sex cult.

>> No.10055719

>>10055715

If you want specifics, they knew them later on when they were in their 60's.

>> No.10055723

>>10055719
So their sex cult is in a retirement home.
I got it.

>> No.10055726

>>10055723
Old people sex cults are the best, are you disagreeing with this? Seeing wrinkled prunes grind it up is the best.

>> No.10055728

>>10055723
Do you know here such retirement homes are? I might be interested in 2 or 3 decades...

>> No.10055734

>>10055728
This is now a thread about old people sex.

>> No.10055742

>>10055734
To /gif/!!!!

>> No.10055745

>>10055734
Read em and weep

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267340/

>> No.10055792

>>10055745
Let's stay healthy, then.

>> No.10055807

>>10055572
>>less than 1 deaths per 100k is deadly, damn didn't know until now.
That's not the death rate for the infected you fucking hack.

>I don't care what the article shows?
>I don't care that the article completely destroys my argument because I'm a dishonest hack that just ignores what I have no answer for
ftfy

>I said estimated, not directly caused
It's not an estimate of deaths from vaccines either, you fucking hack. But thanks for admitting that your argument is irrelevant to what vaccines cause.

>Also note that the FDA commissioner himself stated even SERIOUS adverse events are only a fraction so fuck off with that "hurr coughs dont get reported but deaths definitely do!"
That was just an example, retard. You assumed that the rate of reporting for deaths is the same as all events put together, without basis. And according to you, all adverse events besides death don't matter, so don't be a hypocrite in addition to a dishonest hack.

Your "arguments" have been completely destroyed, you have zero credibility, fuck off back to your quack blog.

>> No.10055822

>>10055807
Stop same fagging just to keep drolling about.

>> No.10055831

>>10055822
Yeah no answer, that's what I thought, hack.

>> No.10056156

>>10051017
You idiot, it's clearly to calcify the pineal gland in order to prevent us from absorbing nature energy and incorporating it into scientific research (via vortex mathematics). The motive behind preventing this is to ensure that we never discover the truth about the flat earth.

>> No.10056164

>>10051969
>government wishes to promote herd immunity.
>herd immunity requires the majority of the population be vaccinated against the disease
>majority of the population is not currently vaccinated against the disease

"Hi guys, I'm OP and for the life of me I just can't work out why my government is encouraging everyone to vaccinate themselves against this disease, it must be a conspiracy!"

>> No.10056228

>>10049642
>damage to the economy for not working 2 weeks
whats next ? vacation is ruining society ?
fuck off bourgeois fag

>> No.10056361

>>10055342
Good news about hpv is that it is about to get treatable.
For now just promosing results about some Shiitake mushrooms their extract (AHCC(Active Hexose Correlated Compound(s)))
Trametes versicolor also has promising results.
Ganoderma lucidum and Laetiporus sulphureus too.
Blueberry extracts resulted with 25% decrease in cervical cancer. With radiation combined it's 70% decrease.
Curcumin from tumeric limits the activity of HPV viruses.
Furthermore manage the stress levels, get enough sleep, avoid unhealthy habits (smoking, alcohol, junk food, etc) and exercise regularly

Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25271984
http://naturalsociety.com/medicinal-mushrooms-proven-to-fight-the-human-papilloma-virus/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141028122424.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171229135254.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150423102327.htm

>> No.10056381

>>10056156
Fluoride contributes to pineal gland calcification.
What would work against it is boron.
Nuts like almonds are one of the top sources of boron (2.82 mg/100g).
Furthermore iodine ions will compete with fluoride ions. So take more iodine.
Calcium can be removed when drinking EDTA solution or consuming vitamin K rich food bring calcium back on where it should be. Garlic makes it easier to dissolve calcium.
Raw cacao (chocolate) contains antioxidants that will stimulate the pineal gland.
http://www.med-health.net/Pineal-Gland-Calcification.html

>> No.10056382

>>10056156
Also you can remove mercury by consuming chlorophyll rich foods like chlorella and spirulina.
To remove aluminium, drink silica rich water (check labels of SiO2 and SiO4). SiO4 should be at least 35 mg/L or ppm.

>> No.10056405

lol the flu vaccine does absolutely nothing. if you vaccinate its not going to reduce the symptoms and its not going to prevent you from catching it either. generally people who get the flu and die are better off dead anyway for the sake of humanity. seriously, how weak are you to die from the flu? you have to be stupid to not rest and drink fluids while sick.