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Anonymous Fri Sep 28 22:31:20 2018 No.10035875 [Reply] [Original]

Viruses
Are they living beings or not?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 22:32:45 2018 No.10035879 >>10035875 Depends on your definition of "living"

Anonymous Fri Sep 28 23:29:33 2018 No.10035975

>>10035875
They do not fulfill some of the requirements to be called life, like homeostasis, so they are not living. However, if you believe that this definition is arbitrary and wrong, then you could redefine life to include viruses. Currently, they are not considered alive.

Is a protein alive? It's just some amino acids strung together. But it's found in living things. Is DNA/RNA alive? That's just nucleosides strung together, but it's the fundamental blueprint of life.

Living things are just combinations of these non-living things, that we have decided are to be called alive. So is anything alive, or just a bunch of non-alive stuff acting like it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 23:31:51 2018 No.10035980 I'm gonna say yes. Also prions are alive. Also crystals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 23:37:59 2018 No.10035986 >>10035875 On the Jesk-Higglemann Life Spectrum, most were calculated having a life value of about 0.4271. They have a ways to go before being on par with common lifeforms.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 03:17:23 2018 No.10036198 >>10035986 ... alright, I googled the bullshit to make sure it was bullshit. You got me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 08:39:17 2018 No.10036511 File: 283 KB, 1080x1080, DMv5HqKV4AAPwB1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Am I alive?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 09:38:11 2018 No.10036586 >>10035875 Probably. He have changed the definition of what is considered life before and we can do it again. Viruses will probably be considered life since they are in a symbiotic relation with bacterias.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 13:37:50 2018 No.10036915 File: 26 KB, 640x480, meme.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10035875 Memes Are they living beings or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 13:42:05 2018 No.10036923 >>10036915 memes >self-replicate >mutate >respond to selective pressures if viruses are alive>>10036586 , so are memes

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 13:43:18 2018 No.10036925 >>10036915 Remember the time that baneposting became sentient and crashed the germanwings plane?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 13:51:37 2018 No.10036936 >>10035875 Fetuses Are they living beings or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 13:51:59 2018 No.10036940 >>10036923 Can't tell if joking or genuinely retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 13:53:57 2018 No.10036945 >>10036940 Depends on your definition of "joking"

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 14:09:41 2018 No.10036973 Did viruses originate on earth or from another planet. I believe viruses are from a secondary life beginning event when compared to biological life forms. I also think both things happened somewhere other than Earth, life came here.

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 14:14:03 2018 No.10036981

>>10036923
You'd have to remove the physical part of the definition from life to make that work.

But even then, memes are still considered "organic" when we discuss them. There are dead memes and active memes. The foundations of memes as "living" thing is ever present in our minds, and we recognize that in surface level, just not in our scientific definitions yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 14:15:04 2018 No.10036983 >>10035879 /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 14:17:00 2018 No.10036992 >>10036936 They are pretty indisputably living -- whether they are "beings" is where the debate happens. >Drawing hard lines to seperate two ends of an ongoing process is always going to be tricky.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 14:18:03 2018 No.10036996 >>10036973 I think they evolved from living things - I'd say "devolved," but I think that word is silly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 14:19:22 2018 No.10037001 Until Pluto is firmly re-established as a planet, I refuse to consider viri to by alive.

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 03:19:39 2018 No.10038364

>>10036992
of course they're beings.Nobody debates that. You don't need to be conscious or valid to be a being. A perpetual brain dead human is still a human being. Heck it's probably not even wrong to call a dead person a human being. We'd call a dead alien an alien being right? That's not grammatically wrong.

The question is if you consider them persons with rights. They *are* considered persons though, it's straight out of the dictionary and even HRC called them unborn persons. Being a person does not give you rights though, as the constitution names "other persons," meaning blacks, and they did not have rights.

There's really no semantic arguments that are part of the debate. Etymologically speaking unborn children are the same as born children. You can't make a consistent distinction other than being attached to the mother and cell count, which has nothing to do with grammar. People just arbitrarily say they don't have rights and that's not based on any sort of argument, it's just a priori and does not need justification.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 03:43:21 2018 No.10038393 They are a transition between nonliving and living.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 03:53:59 2018 No.10038410 >>10035875 >Chad nonliving organisms vs Virgin lifeforms

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 04:23:30 2018 No.10038450 >>10035875 They are kinda parasitic in nature. Viruses are actually pretty easy to defeat, unless they hide away within DNA or deep where the immune system can't hit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 04:35:06 2018 No.10038469 >>10037001 Pluto is a planet. Viruses are alive. There’s no argument against these facts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 08:24:43 2018 No.10038799 >>10035875 They are living when they hijack your cells nucleus.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 08:37:54 2018 No.10038810 >>10035875 Vira are better adapted to live on the earth than humans. Past the next mass extinction they will take over. That will end the discussion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 09:30:38 2018 No.10038852 >>10035875 Considering that YOU are what passes for life these days, I'd say they are fairly alive to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 14:27:09 2018 No.10039310 >>10038852 le op is le dumb XD

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 22:46:46 2018 No.10040274

>>10035975
Personally, I would say that everything, down to each atom is alive, but also quite lifeless. When complex systems emerge, which we recognize as life, it's roughly equivalent to the cells that make up "god." These living things create an ecosystem, which is like the organs of "god." Considering that things like water and minerals are pivotal for life, and also work in unison(like geological events), perhaps everything we see is part of one massive living being.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 23:29:48 2018 No.10040341 >>10035986 There's no such spectrum, you're probably thinking of the Musk-Boseman Spectrum

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 08:21:32 2018 No.10040902 >>10035875 NPCs Are they living beings or not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 08:24:51 2018 No.10040905 >>10035975 >Is a protein alive? It's just some amino acids strung together. But it's found in living things. Is DNA/RNA alive? That's just nucleosides strung together, but it's the fundamental blueprint of life. This helped

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 08:35:34 2018 No.10040912 >>10040274 You are one beautiful motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 09:25:42 2018 No.10040957 >>10037001 The plural is viruses you mouth breather. Viri wouldn't even be correct in Latin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 21:46:09 2018 No.10042909 I suggest you look into creationism. Viruses are clearly not natural, most likely made by a higher being, or an older more advanced civilization.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 21:52:47 2018 No.10042919 >>10035879 By that line of thought, will this apply to the average channer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 21:53:36 2018 No.10042922 >>10036925 I remember that. Newfags ITT?

Anonymous Mon Oct 1 21:56:18 2018 No.10042926

Yes viruses are living things that are here to take over everything you can think of

1) there are viruses in the human genome that are permanently dormant (in the dna but nothing activates them)

2) HIV. There is a reason it leads to AIDS (population control aka evolution is true)

3) you will never ever ever destroy viruses, they take over bacteria (found everywher) and mutate themselves, rendering anything against them useless the next time the DNA/RNA is replicated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 22:39:58 2018 No.10042976 >>10038810 There will be no hosts for them left.

Anonymous Mon Oct 1 22:55:16 2018 No.10042991

>>10040274
Weird. I am completely the opposite. I tend to see things as one massive inanimate object. Rocks tumbling down a hill is not "life", but it changes the state of things. Atoms have moved, energy has been transferred. Beavers build dams, organisms refold molecules and metabolize things. None of it makes a difference except for what actually happens.

Why do we assume that anything is "alive" other than for purposes purely described as bookkeeping? Why are computers artificial intelligence but we are somehow not? On that matter, the only thing that is distinguishable is the end result: who won the chess game. What use is it to prance around if we are somehow intelligent if we cannot beat the computer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 23:12:56 2018 No.10043026 File: 15 KB, 340x361, tOVv0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10035975 life is a spectrum

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 04:54:58 2018 No.10043092 >>10043026 No, you're either alive or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 18:40:57 2018 No.10043314 >>10035875 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 18:55:53 2018 No.10043333 >>10043092 what if I'm alive on the outside but dead on the inside

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 19:10:32 2018 No.10043368 They are more like seeds

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 19:32:30 2018 No.10043420 >>10035875 Not less than humans who things purpose of their life is procreation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 19:33:34 2018 No.10043423 >>10043420 *who are thinking sole purpose of their life ,...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 20:32:47 2018 No.10043504 >>10036923 cannot be unthonk

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 20:52:05 2018 No.10043534 >>10042991 Based antivitalist who gets it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 2 21:01:36 2018 No.10043562 >>10035875 nah senpai

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