Do vaccines cause long-term health effects?

[Anonymous No.10035710]

I am pro-choice on the topic of vaccines, if you wanna vaccinate, partially vaccinate, or not vaccinate altogether that is your choice to make. I choose not to vaccinate altogether and my biggest concern is that we have no way of knowing if vaccines cause long-term health adverse outcomes.
https://healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.

https://www.congress.gov/106/crpt/hrpt977/CRPT-106hrpt977.pdf
Former FDA Commissioner David A. Kessler has estimated that VAERS reports currently represent only a fraction of the serious adverse events

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/tools/parents-guide/parents-guide-part4.html
A: Observing vaccinated children for many years to look for long-term health conditions would not be practical,

So we have NO long-term studies being done by the CDC and NO working injury reporting system to catch long-term health outcomes of vaccines. Could any of you adamant pro-vaxxers provide me proper evidence of vaccines being proven to not cause long-term adverse events?

[Anonymous No.10035722]

>>10035710
VAERS DOES NOT MEAN VACCINES CAUSED IT. IT JUST MEANS IT HAPPENED AROUND THE SAME TIME AS THE CHILD GOT THE VACCINE.

[Anonymous No.10035729]

>>10035722
The point of VAERS is to act as a post-surveillance to provide transparency when vaccines lost liability from injuries. My point is that if VAERS isn't catching these trends of long-term health outcomes and the CDC doesn't do long-term studies on vaccines, how do we know vaccines don't cause long-term adverse events? What system is in place if these two things are not catching it?

[Anonymous No.10035730]

>this thread again

[Anonymous No.10035735]

>>10035729
>how do we know vaccines don't cause long-term adverse events
because there is no mechanism by which any of the ingredients in vaccines would cause long term health effects.
correlation is not causation
You have been infected by a virus that causes paranoia and can be spread over the internet.

[Anonymous No.10035741]

>>10035735
Thats not an excuse, you HAVE to look at these things because "what if". When a vaccine goes from a trial that uses only health people to the public that have a wide spectrum of various health issues you need to track if the ingredients are possibly affecting a minority group over a long period of time.

It's not to implicate that vaccines dangerous, but rather it's to ensure the protection of everyone by watching trends of long-term health outcomes.

You cannot say "correlation is not causation" and then say "We don't need to look because we are perfect and know everything and our scientists are magical beings who can predict every persons reaction to every vaccine" there will always be minority groups that are at risk for vaccines for one biological reason or another, how can you say we shouldn't be looking at this as a possibility.

[Anonymous No.10035743]

>>10035741
>you HAVE to look at these things because "what if"
Scientists have looked at these things and found nothing. YOU have to look at it and find a result if you want to prove anything. Scientists won't search for your unicorns because they already found nothing.

[Anonymous No.10035748]

>>10035743
But the CDC literally said they do not look at long-term health outcomes, so how can you for sure say there is no long-term health outcomes? The "scientists" you just referred to said "we do not do that"

[Anonymous No.10035760]

>>10035748
What do you think is causing long term health outcomes?
The CDC doesn't study the long term outcomes of drinking a few beers because the chemicals all leave the body shortly. Unless you are addicted to vaccines you shouldn't have a problem.

[Anonymous No.10035772]

>>10035760
>Unless you are addicted to vaccines
And we inject babies with several dozen, so why would we not look at long-term health outcomes?

You can't compare drinking a few beers to injecting chemicals into your blood. Also they have done studies on drinking beer for long-term effects.

It's not about a SINGLE thing that may be causing long-term health outcomes, but MULTIPLE, there are many things in a vaccine that could be reacting to each other, your body, other environmental factors. The point of VAERS or a long-term study is to see if anything is reacting, if you are not noticing any trends in the groups that get the vaccines in the long-term compared to those who do not then the vaccine is clearly not associated with them.

[Anonymous No.10035830]

>>10035772
>You can't compare drinking a few beers to injecting chemicals into your blood.
Yes I can so much so that there is a literal scale for doing that called BAC.
Find the "hazardous" chemicals in modern vaccines and look up the ug/L amount that causes problems and then look up the amount in the vaccine and you will find that it is literally orders of magnitude lower.

[Anonymous No.10035856]

>>10035830
lower for INGESTION not injection.

Again, you ignored the entire point, long-term effects still need to be looked at, you can't just plug your ears and go "LALALA NO DANGER" You have to prove vaccines are not associated with long-term events by either 1. performing a long-term study or 2. reviewing data over a period of time to find a trend. Neither of these are being done, anything else is purely "theoretical" or a "hypothesis", this is why we have live trials, to prove things, it has to work in the actual environment to be considered proven and a fact and more then just conjecture.

[Anonymous No.10036173]

>>10035856
People are more likely to receive greater amounts of toxic chemicals through playing outside as a kid than the amount that they receive from a few vaccines as a baby.
Take a deep breath: your posts all read like an overly-excitable mom who just read an article on what goes into vaccines and now wants to confiscate all sewing needles and other pointy things in the house

[Anonymous No.10036258]

>>10035730
Fucking this. I've been browsing /sci/ for a few months and every month there is a thread like this. Seriously fuck off OP.

[Anonymous No.10036597]

>>10036173
>more from outside
You mean all the things filtered through our organs? The things that we were born with to protect us? The thing nature gave us so we don't die from these poisons? But nah, injected right past all those and fully absorbed.

Enjoy the life of chronic illness faggots, I'm sure the MASSIVE increased rates of diabetes, cancer, chronic illness, neurological issues has nothing to do with the fact that it runs along the increase of vaccines in infants. The CDC so scared of comparing the health of vaccinated vs unvaccinated because they know what they will find, the Amish either don't vaccinate or almost never vaccinate, funny enough their rates of autism is extremely low and almost unheard of.

[Anonymous No.10036599]

>>10035710
Are americans really this dumb?

[Anonymous No.10036603]

>>10036599
the vast majority, yes.

[Anonymous No.10036689]

>>10036597
Its because kids play fortnite, eat mcdonalds, drink monster and breathe radioactive mixture of air and asphalt instead of beating each other with sticks out in clean nature eating homemade meals

[Anonymous No.10036709]

>>10035710
>Could any of you adamant pro-vaxxers provide me proper evidence of vaccines being proven to not cause long-term adverse events?
Nothing is proven not to cause long-term adverse effects.

Eating beans might cause long-term adverse effects. Playing the violin might cause long-term adverse effects. Learning French might cause long-term adverse effects. Writing your homework in blue ink over black ink might cause long-term adverse effects. Do you refrain from those, just in case? I'll have you know that French doesn't have a long-term injury reporting system either. Does that worry you?

Vaccines are one of the few things that are well proven to have massive long-term positive effects (a greatly reduced chance of infectious diseases and the hazards thereof, including death). Why are you desperately looking for negative effects here, while you are not grasping at straws trying to find negative effects of learning French? Is it possible that you are just being fearful for politically motivated reasons and trying to cover that with a false veneer of rationality?

[Anonymous No.10036756]

i bet you get more aluminium cutting yourself as a kid than from vaccines. if this shit was true everyone would be autist

[Anonymous No.10036777]

>>10035710
>Do vaccines cause long-term health effects
Yes they make you immune to certain diseases

[Anonymous No.10036793]

>>10035856
You have have not proven that long term imageboard exposure does not lead to early dementia onset. How could you be so sure you or a specific group of people with certain health histories arent at risk right now?

[Anonymous No.10037006]

>>10035735
lol
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24779346
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12184360

[Anonymous No.10037715]

>>10036793
Wrong! This place has proven to cause cancer and it is advised by everyone to not come here.

Nice try shitlord.

>>10036709
>HURRRRR INJECTING TOXIC CHEMICALS INTO YOUR BLOOD IN NO WAY COULD CAUSE LONG-TERM NEGATIVE EFFECTS WHY WOULD YOU GO LOOKING, ARE YOU ANTI-SCIENCE?

[Anonymous No.10037721]

>>10035735
>because there is no mechanism by which any of the ingredients in vaccines would cause long term health effects.
>Massive amount of aluminum and mercury injected into an infant all at once, several fold beyond the maximum exposure specified for an adult
>Chronic microglia activation
Etc.

And you're more braindead than even that.

[Anonymous No.10037726]

>>10035710
>Do vaccines cause long-term health effects?

Yes, they prevent you from dying from all sorts of things you might otehrwise die from. Cool, huh?

>we have no way of knowing if vaccines cause long-term health adverse outcomes.

We do, and they don't. If you are really to dumb to learn about this, a science and math board may not be for you.

Please confine your stupid anti-immunization troll threads to /x/, /b/ or /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10037731]

>>10035748
Implying CDC is all the scientists that have ever lived.

>>10035760
Well said.

[Anonymous No.10037735]

>>10037726
>Science I don't like isn't science
>Science that is culturally (ie power structure) unpalatable isn't real science
Out, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.10037738]

>>10036597
Your troll slip is showing. Abandon thread.

[Anonymous No.10037744]

>>10037721
>Massive amount of aluminum and mercury injected into an infant all at once

Don't go full retard, trollbro.

[Anonymous No.10037747]

>>10037731
No, but their JOB is to ensure the public safety of vaccines, if they aren't doing it, then it means we have a problem when the heart of vaccines isn't looking for potentially long-term effects.

[Anonymous No.10037750]

>>10037744
Go on.

[Anonymous No.10037816]

>>10036173
Well said

[Anonymous No.10039558]

>>10036173
I'm more on your side when it comes to this shit but I don't understand how you don't see your own ignorance in this argument. Every single one of your counter-arguments isn't actually taking in his point or reacting to what hes saying.

[Anonymous No.10039563]

>>10039558
There's also the minor problem of his points being objectively incorrect.

[Anonymous No.10039568]

>>10035856
>lower for INGESTION not injection.
Bro the B in BAC stands for BLOOD.

[Anonymous No.10039572]

>>10037726
>We do, and they don't. If you are really to dumb to learn about this, a science and math board may not be for you.

Proof, please. Not against you here just looking to be enlightened.

[Anonymous No.10039584]

DO NOT FEED

[Anonymous No.10039723]

>>10037721
>>Massive amount of aluminum and mercury injected into an infant all at once, several fold beyond the maximum exposure specified for an adult
Doubt.

[Anonymous No.10039737]

>>10039723
Look up. Well doc'd.

[Anonymous No.10039757]

>>10039737
You got caught lying.

[Anonymous No.10039764]

>>10035710

Vaccines cause long term effects in a small amount of people. Anyone denying this should lose their degrees.

It's not hard to find literature on Guillain Barre syndrome, neuropathic pain, hearing disorders among other chronic issues arising from vaccines.

The biggest problem is people insist on the fucking autism link that has no credible literature, and others just say "no autism, so no long term effects".

It's sickening, really. Most vaccine programs for adults are also completely void of study.

For anyone that dares challenge my claim I propose a simple task. Go find me a single paper, just even one, that shows the tetanus booster should be taken every 10 years or every 5 in case of dangerous cuts. Find me the original paper where this program was proven by experiment.

People are deluded beyond belief and use vaccines without thinking. Vaccines are not a toy. You should only take them for dangerous shit that puts your life at risk, and when absolutely necessary.

[Anonymous No.10039782]

>>10039757
Post the proof. I know it's true, but I'm going to use you to do the work while I'm free to do other things. If you aren't willing I'll just say too bad, guess you can't say one way or the other.

Burned of proof only matters if the other person has a stake in the outcome. I don't care whether you protect yourself, and only marginally care about any potential children my potential children will have to share a world with.

No power 4 u ;^)

[Anonymous No.10039800]

>>10039584

[Anonymous No.10039836]

>>10039764
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM196903132801102
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17989383

>>10039782
If it's so well documented and you know it, then you would have provided the proof. The only rational conclusion is that you're lying. If you don't care about convincing people then why post this?

[Anonymous No.10039855]

>>10035710

Yes, vaccines cause long term health effects such as: not dying from some backward ass infection during your infancy.
But on the other side vaccinations hurt the profits of coffin makers, funeral homes and grief consultants.

Jesus christ people forget stuff so quickly its amazing, we used to be assraped by polio and smallpox not more than 50 years ago.

And yes, there might be some sporadic case of allergic reaction to some component, but shit happens, its the real world.

[Anonymous No.10040057]

>>10039782
...still no proof of your idiotic claims, what a liar.

Here, try reading https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Vaccine+29+(2011)[phone]

[Anonymous No.10040143]

>>10039836

Are you a serious brainlet or is this an ironic post? Both papers you posted show the 10 year program is wrong and unnecessary.

11 year half life means antibodies fall to half of the starting level in 11 years. That rate means you can go like 30 years without vaccination or so with usual starting levels after the first round.

[Anonymous No.10040175]

>>10040143
It shows that 10 years is sufficient to ensure immunity to a high degree of certainty. You asked for the evidence behind the decadal tetanus vaccine schedule while claiming that there was none. You lied, yet again. But I'm glad you were able to at least admit that the vaccine works and should be taken. Good job, retard.

[Anonymous No.10040178]

>>10035710
>I am pro-choice on the topic of vaccines
kill yourself faggot

[Anonymous No.10040180]

>>10036597
I didn't read the text, but man, that's one hilarious image. Upboated, thanks for the laugh.

[Anonymous No.10040314]

>>10040175

It shows you are giving a vaccine every 10 years when you could be giving it every 30 years.

I asked you for a paper that proves or shows you should be giving it every 10 years.

It is worse when you consider the tetanus shot gives stronger reactions and side effects on people who are highly immunized against it.

People like you are the reason why the anti-vaxx movement exists, and they are unfortunately right to doubt the average dumbfuck who can't do a proper study.

Vaccines don't cause autism, but they are being widely misused in many cases, and do cause severe side effects in people in a small amount of cases where they might've not even been necessary.