/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10034708]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-administration-sees-a-7-degree-rise-in-global-temperatures-by-2100/2018/09/27/b9c6fada-bb45-11e8-bdc0-90f81cc58c5d_story.html
>Last month, deep in a 500-page environmental impact statement, the Trump administration made a startling assumption: On its current course, the planet will warm a disastrous 7 degrees by the end of this century.
>A rise of 7 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 4 degrees Celsius, compared with preindustrial levels would be catastrophic, according to scientists. Many coral reefs would dissolve in increasingly acidic oceans. Parts of Manhattan and Miami would be underwater without costly coastal defenses. Extreme heat waves would routinely smother large parts of the globe.
>But the administration did not offer this dire forecast, premised on the idea that the world will fail to cut its greenhouse gas emissions, as part of an argument to combat climate change. Just the opposite: The analysis assumes the planet’s fate is already sealed.


Reminder: we're all fucking doomed
https://guymcpherson.com/climate-chaos/climate-change-summary-and-update/

[Anonymous No.10034715]

>>10034708
Meanwhile, scientists generally agree we can limit the rise to 2°C with a global effort. But that would be, dare I say it, globalism

[Anonymous No.10034752]

can't wait for all the chinks and poos to die of heat stroke from all their polluting

[Anonymous No.10034763]

Just 4ºC? NICE.

[Anonymous No.10034769]

When they get tomorrow's temperate right

Let me know

[Anonymous No.10034772]

I guess I'll move to Canada.

[Anonymous No.10034778]

And thats just from rejecting the paris treaty.

Think of how much more he could do.

#resist

[Anonymous No.10034781]

>>10034708
>We doomed earth lol who cares.

Fucking burgers and chinks. I Hope all of you will sweat 'till death. We sure don't want lardrefugees.

[Anonymous No.10034792]

I'll die a virgin anyways lol don't care

[Anonymous No.10034793]

>>10034769
Could you lads imagine being this fucking retarded lmao

(Nice bait btw)

[Anonymous No.10035546]

>>10034708
>climate-change
not science or math

[Anonymous No.10035589]

>>10034708
>>10034715
This is good, we need a substantial problem to motivate investment in off-world colonization. Earth's like the womb, you need to leave or you're just another stillborn species who never even began to live.

[Anonymous No.10035604]

>>10034752

money shot right here

this is what will actually happen, some sort of massive ecological disaster (ala the dust bowl but bigger) will hit China and India, two nuclear-armed countries that already can't agree on a border. The results will likely lead to a lot of street shitters and chinks dying, which will cause their economies to collapse thereby reducing co2 emissions. The more death, the less co2. If both are totally eliminated global co2 emissions would immediately fall at least 50-60%.

[Anonymous No.10035607]

>climate change is just a chinese conspiracy theory pushed by the libs and scientists in favor of globalism!
>proceeds to get in office and is met with overwhelming evidence
>whelp I guess climate change is real and we're fucked might as well milk the environment for all it's worth before it starts crashing down!

Burgers everyone

[Anonymous No.10035612]

>>10035607
global warming IS a chinese conspiracy tho

[Anonymous No.10035703]

>>10035607
>>10035612
its honestly hilarious how unfairly history has played out for the chinese. After fucking centuries of being held back they finally get a chance to leap back to the front of the pack, and find out doing so will manage to kill all of humanity. No one else has managed to industrialize without shitting out unreal amounts of smog, but I guess its their responsibility to be rice farmers forever or we're fucked. Sheeeeeit.

[Anonymous No.10035723]

>Born just in time to witness the extinction of your own species

This is kino

[Anonymous No.10035725]

>>10034708
>Reminder: we're all fucking doomed
You act as if every single one of us isnt programmed to self destruct. Sure ,hordes of us will die before their natural time comes but they were going to die anyways. We'll adapt, and learn to thrive in this modified landscape, ust like have before, time and time again.

(PS you will die eventually and you'll be fully aware of every moment of agony)

[Anonymous No.10035759]

>>10035703
>insectoid race
>shouldn't be confined to insect tasks
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.10035780]

>>10035612
The US isn't cutting back. A 0.5% decrease is nothing to praise. It's something for fossil fuel shills, economytards, and combustion addicts to present as bogus evidence that things are changing, even though a 10% decrease would take 20 years and barely make a dent. No one wants to admit the harsh truth or change their ways. It's posturing to maintain the status quo and continue to profit while ignoring the problem.

[Anonymous No.10035795]

>>10035780
just not increasing is progress you hopeless cynic.

[Anonymous No.10035825]

>>10035795
The situation is hopeless. Normies don't give the first shit about making the major lifestyle changes required, and neither do rich capitalists that get richer when more useless shit gets sold and no one asks too many inconvenient questions.

[Anonymous No.10036146]

>>10034781

Surprisingly, the US is the only one that has reduced CO2 emissions due to the switchover from coal to natural gas. Europe, India, and China are the biggest increases to global warming now

[Anonymous No.10036155]

>>10035604
Death to Chans and Poos.

[Anonymous No.10036178]

>>10034708
everyone in this thread is a subhuman except the stalwart and heroic atmos phys anon who fights these niggers every single day for some unspeakable reason. I assume autism but the goodness of his heart is more likely. Are you asian btw? You type like a neurotic but cool asian. Probably not.

[Anonymous No.10036312]

There are all sorts of geoengineering methods that should be able to blunt the impact of global warming for a relatively cheap price. For example, the estimated cost of using Marine Cloud Brightening to block any plausible warming effect is only $9 billion a year, well within the range of even developing countries like Indonesia or Brazil to afford. Not a perfect solution of course, but better than doing nothing, and certainly will be used to prevent any 'doomsday' scenarios the fear-mongers try and push.

[Anonymous No.10036320]

>muh global temperature increase
the only ones suffering from it are jews, mexicans, chinks and poos
So I wish this to be fairly true, but considering the record for the course on weather monitoring, It's probably not going to happen

[Anonymous No.10036326]

>>10035723
Kazynski was right

[Anonymous No.10036340]

>>10035604
Quick reminder that killing 325 mio Americans cuts emissions as much as killing 765 mio Chinese. If you're going by a usefulness per death scale, Americans should vanish before anyone else.

[Anonymous No.10036349]

>>10034708
Fucking America, I thought they meant 7c.

4c still fucking sucks though.

[Anonymous No.10036355]

Reminder that our species was born into an ice age and we've never lived through a "normal" climate.

[Anonymous No.10036357]

>>10036340
If we killed the eaters, we would have solved the problwm. But is life worth living, knowing you genocided 90% of the population

[Anonymous No.10036360]

>>10036355
Reminder that our species exists thanks to an ice age, and if there hadn't been one we'd probably still be monkeys. These are the conditions we thrive in, and boosting the planet back to "normal" climate will obliterate us.

[Anonymous No.10036363]

We need to shut down more nuclear plants.

[Anonymous No.10036394]

>>10035795
He pollution has just been outsourced to China et al you fucking moron. Look around you and tell me if anyone has changed the net energy usage in their lives. Protip, they fucking haven't.

[Anonymous No.10036409]

>>10036394
This is a point Trump made with the Paris Accords: only Western (and Westernized) nations care about ths issue, China, India, and South America do not care.

The big problem of course is that most Westerners don't actually care either, they only view this as a partisan point that they can signal "solidarity" over to demonstrate their virtue.

[Anonymous No.10036419]

>>10036409
>China, India, and South America do not care.
Arguably China is doing as much as their developing country level of wealth and demands by the emerging economy allow them to.

Yes, they still build coal power plants to meet demands, but they're not exactly executing hydropower or wind farm megaprojects or planting forests the size of Ireland because they're bored.

[Anonymous No.10036421]

OP fell for the caring about things meme

[Anonymous No.10036425]

>>10035612
>addressing the real source of pollution rather than blaming it on white males.
THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE, FOLKS! It's just a alt-right conspiracy under the influence of racism. Remember, Al Gore is our lord and savior.

[Anonymous No.10036461]

>>10036363
Kek

[Anonymous No.10036462]

>>10034772
That's my plan, either Canada or Norway.
They'll become much more fertile when this temperature rise sets in.

[Anonymous No.10036465]

>>10036462
>implying Canada and Norway aren't already warm in the summer

[Anonymous No.10036508]

>>10036419
India is also going hardcore on renewable and sustainability projects.

[Anonymous No.10036514]

>>10036465
I never implied anything of the sort!

[Anonymous No.10036545]

>>10036514
My bad, carry on.

[Anonymous No.10036546]

time to stock up on petrol mates

[Anonymous No.10036551]

these stories make me go full Pol Pot, we need a new khanate to wipe asia clean and green

[Anonymous No.10036566]

>>10036425
Whites are a large part of the problem when it comes to AGW though. And I don't give a fuck about Al Gore.

[Anonymous No.10036618]

Wtf. USA should have been the ones aggressively leading the world by setting harsh sanctions on polluting countries and leading by example
It's a global prisoner's dilemma and the major powers (including USA) just defected in the 90s. We're such a failure as a species, at this point I'm just about ready to say Trump's got the right idea. There's not much that can be done anymore and what could be done may not be worth doing anymore

[Anonymous No.10036727]

>>10035589
DAMN, man does have a manifest destiny to the stars to pursue. But we better get good at math quick or learn how to write underwater.

[Anonymous No.10036729]

>>10036326
Miyazaki was right, anime was a mistake

[Anonymous No.10036734]

>>10035589
Char please go, go and never come back.

[Anonymous No.10036738]

Anon, stop, I was having a good day.

[Anonymous No.10036740]

>>10034715
good fucking luck getting poo's and africans to do shit

thats why any climate efforts are pointless. populations in places that give zero fucks about the environment are exploding

[Anonymous No.10036744]

>>10035589
most likely we will send a probe with a bunch of life creating shit.
we've already synthesized dna.

humanities final act will be to launch a crispr machine towards several exoplanets in hope that while they all die out they can hope rhat their legacy will continue.

in all likely hood this is how other alien races acted in the face of extinction.
i dont even think any life in the universe has gotten to a type 1 civilization.
sentience/consiousness hasnt evoloved that far in the universe.

my point is we will explore and setup outposts, but we will never colonize space as humans.
we will seed planets instead of settling.

[Anonymous No.10036757]

Why should we care? Most of the negative consequences will be limited to poor countries.

[Anonymous No.10036822]

>>10036409
This is blatently false. Not only did tremp willingly pulled out of the agreement seeking to continue unchecked emissions knowing its one of its worse offenders, all other countries including china stuck to their promise. Further many nations, specially those deeply affected like those in south america and south east asian coasts have asked for climate change strategies for many years.


Everything you've said is nothing but smokescreen for an irresponsible, irrational and moronic policy that helps no one but their energy industry swamp creatures.

[Anonymous No.10036830]

>>10036734
Once your soul isn't weighed down by gravity you'll understand

[Anonymous No.10036835]

>>10034708
LMFAO DAB ON THAT PUSSY-ASS PLANET.

[Anonymous No.10036855]

>>10035546
Study of the climate is part of science you fucktard

[Anonymous No.10036863]

>>10036312
Environmentalists block all of these methods by running scare campaigns.

[Anonymous No.10037037]

>>10035604
>which will cause their economies to collapse
Not really. They want to get rid of those low IQ poor people anyway. This will only strengthen their economy.
Wishful thinking though. You think reducing their poor population won't leave more resources for others?

[Anonymous No.10037053]

>>10034708
>caring about climate (((science)))
I'm not a global warming denier at all and I believe humans are well responsible for it, but given the complex nature of the physics involved, and the amount of factors to consider, I can't help but wonder if this won't be like flying cars by 2010 meme. It's just that the environmental factors and the future economics that will cause global warming are very subject to speculation, and people saying that all will crumble down with such certainty and alarm, I can't possibly take them seriously

[Anonymous No.10037094]

>>10034715
>the world must become a hive mind to do anything
>nations totally can't do the exact same fucking things individually
fuck off mate, we aren't going to submit to corrupt rootless multinationals

[Anonymous No.10037096]

>>10036146
fugitive methane emissions have recently been shown to be underreported and are probably worse enough that the extra methane negates any benefits of methane combustion over coal and oil combustion

[Anonymous No.10037102]

>>10034708
Guy McPherson is a well known pseudoscientific fraud. >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10037105]

>>10036727
Rising sea levels wont turn the world into waterworld, and we already have the technology to colonize space, and did since the 80s, it just needs a really fucking large initial investment to get off the ground, which has made everyone unwilling to go for it in the past

[Anonymous No.10037113]

>>10036546
wont help m8, it goes bad in 1-5 years

[Anonymous No.10037116]

>>10036738
if you're too stupid to think of solutions to a problem, you deserve to suffer

[Anonymous No.10037120]

>>10034708
The only way global warming will ever be stopped is if someone figures out how to make money doing so.

[Anonymous No.10037132]

We'll all be dead long before that happens, who cares? WW3 will happen in the next 20-30 years, maybe even in 10 years, and that'll likely either virtually wipe out all human life or leave such small pockets left that they won't have to toruble themselves with climate change.

[Anonymous No.10037145]

>>10036822
Good then. When China meets their commitment as per the accord and reduces their co2 levels to that of the us and other first world countries then they'll have a leg to stand on.

Oh wait.... Paris accord was literally designed with 0 accountability and 0 assurances that funneling money in to unstable 3rd world do nothing countries will have any impact on the climate.

[Anonymous No.10037153]

>>10037094
True. Better destroy the planet to get everyone on the same page.

[Anonymous No.10037161]

>>10034708
we can solve it using geoengineering.
simply put, to go back to what we had before human co2 emissions, we need to suck back 1.5 trillion tons of co2 from the atmosphere.

if we grow kelp on about 9% of the ocean surface we can end climate change in a heartbeat.
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/07/so-long-global-warming-and-thanks-for-all-of-the-fish.html

[Anonymous No.10037167]

>>10037120
All solutions imply reduced economic growth overall, but only because our economies are built on a fundamentally unsustainable model. The tragedy of the commons is a moral problem, not a technical one. Innovation alone cannot solve it. The only solution is getting enough people to realize its magnitude and what must be done to address it. I am pessimistic about that being achieved.

[Anonymous No.10037178]

>>10037167
"All solutions imply reduced economic growth overall"
not true

[Anonymous No.10037183]

>>10037178
I don't see how reduced consumption could possibly mean more short-term profit than unfettered consumption.

[Anonymous No.10037190]

>>10034715
I prefer extinction.

[Anonymous No.10037204]

>>10036312
Why would brazil give a single fuck about global warming? 90% of our energy is from clean sources. Go suck a horse cock, you polluting subhuman.

[Anonymous No.10037214]

The truth is that with the automatization, we need to reduce the population, and erradicate anyone with less than 100 IQ. Lower IQ jobs are doomed, and these people are dead weight. We can kill ALL africans too, and turn the whole continent into a giant florest once again. We can undesertify the sahara.

[Anonymous No.10037252]

>>10037204
>brazil
>white
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.10037259]

>>10037252
huh?

[Anonymous No.10037267]

>>10037183
>>10037161

[Anonymous No.10037277]

>>10037259
brazil is not white and never will be
sorry pal

[Anonymous No.10037364]

>>10037167
>All solutions imply reduced economic growth overall
correct, but dont go around saying that in public. or your career will suffer for it. homoconsumegadimwitithickus is determined to go over that cliff and god help anyone who tries to convince it not to.

[Anonymous No.10037376]

>>10037267
you are a very stupid individual if you think that any potential funds put into geoengineering won't come out of the economic growth fund. anyway, what kind of businessman would pay for something (geoengineering) that helps elevate weaker competitors? only a failure businessman would.

[Anonymous No.10037378]

>>10037364
All environmental regulation is a hindrance to economic gains. Doesn't mean it's not necessary.

[Anonymous No.10037393]

>>10037378
The problem is that hindering economic growth makes you weaker and your competitors will destroy you for it, at least according to economic theory.

[Anonymous No.10037400]

>>10034708
We'll all be dead by then, so fuck it lmao. I'm on the coast so 7 degrees higher won't kill me.

>>10034763
It just means lots of dead fish/animals/etc/loss of crops/etc

[Anonymous No.10037430]

>>10037378
Economics is a religion, based on the idea that gluttony and cutthroat competition is somehow good for all (lolol). It's essentially an armageddon cult.

[Anonymous No.10037494]

>>10037393
But no one except a wealthy minority who won't live long enough to see the worst of it benefits from the destruction of the commons. That's the point. Even developing countries have a stake in the energy transition, countries within the tropic lines or that would otherwise suffer from any of the problems more so.
>>10037267
Geoengineering cannot solve the problem of consumption. The concept of entropy dictates that.

[Anonymous No.10037757]

>>10037277
The country may not, but my state is. At least, more than 56%.

[Anonymous No.10038360]

>>10034772
>>10036462

We don't want you here, fuck off. Please.

[Anonymous No.10038386]

>>10037376
did you even fucking read it?
"This would offset all CO2 production and provide 0.5 kg of fish and sea vegetables per person per day for 10 billion people as an “incidental” by-product. "

is this not economic growth?

>>10037494
rising population -> more food needed -> there is a way to capture carbon, end climate change in 50 years, and supply more food than you need -> problem of consumption solved.

basically, there is a counterexample to whatever you think you proved using only entropy.

[Anonymous No.10038859]

>>10037204
You do realize that no matter how clean your own countries energy production is, CO2 emissions from other countries will cause warming that effects you, right? That is what makes dealing with global warming by cutting emissions so difficult; you have to get every major country on board to actually make a difference. I used Brazil & Indonesia as examples because they are both large countries in the tropics with lots coastline that would be effected by rising sea levels.

[Anonymous No.10038864]

>>10038386
there is no carbon capture solution stop being a stupid greedy retard.

[Anonymous No.10038875]

>>10038386
except you're just speculating and don't know if would actually work at the scale required

[Anonymous No.10038894]

>>10038864
>build big fat nuclear powerplant on kilimanjaro
>build big fat railgun on kilimanjaro next to the big fat nuclear powerplant
>build pressurized carbon fiber tanks and fill them with co2
>fire on lunar impact trajectory
>carbon and oxygen forever lost
>moon gets a nice thin atmosphere

[Anonymous No.10038903]

>>10037190
*for non whites

whites are only 8% of the population

[Anonymous No.10038915]

>>10034708
>Reminder: we're all fucking doomed

Reminder that it's not because of global warming.

[Anonymous No.10038928]

>>10034708
Meanwhile 5G rollout is being accelerated, which will sterilize you, cripple your immune system, bring about a new wave of lymphatic and blood disorders, cause conformational changes in key proteins, alter the trafficking and binding of oxygen, alter micro-organism behavior making them more virulent, cripple your ability to produce vitamin D, damage your eyes, cause brain damage, and so forth. In fact, millimeter waves can activate TRPV1 receptors, just like capsaicin, which will trigger the release of opioids into systemic circulation, it will act on mast cells to trigger degranulation and histamine release. Incidence of dermographism etc will increase.

The existing wireless situation is already a nightmare, but we're on the brink of hell. Fuck climate change. This 5G shit will bring about massive ecological destruction wherever it's deployed and it's going to scramble people worse than they are already. This is the priority.

Automation technology is coming online, the infrastructure to control it is coming online. The cattle are no longer needed, and we're trouble than we're worth. We're being eliminated. To use a thoroughly corrupted statement, it's to wake up. Wake up. You've been made to dream of a future that simply cannot be.

[Anonymous No.10038931]

>>10038928
>This 5G shit will bring about massive ecological destruction wherever it's deployed and it's going to scramble people worse than they are already.

OH NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.10038938]

Do you guys think it is likely that the US will go to war with the world over this? It seems like the US is the only one who wants to destroy the world. I seems to me like this could realistically be the cause for WWIII or at least Cold War 2.0. Except it's the US against the world in a standoff with the goal to get them to comply.

[Anonymous No.10038940]

>>10038931
What the hell is the matter with you?

Look kid, you've gotta focus here. This is what you're facing.

[Anonymous No.10038944]

>>10037430
Climate Change will be the death of neoliberalism. It serves as a counter example for every single principle in neoliberal philosophy. It is one of the reasons why lolbertarians were some of the first climate change deniers.

[Anonymous No.10038947]

>>10038940
It's not funny. Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.10038948]

>>10038947
Another poor fool.

[Anonymous No.10038950]

>by 2100
techno-industrial civilization will have collapsed long before that happens due to resource problems
climate change is just the cherry on top of this shit century

[Anonymous No.10038965]

Don't get the technooptimism of geoengineering. Surely, any sort of process that can reverse climate change would require a humongous amount of energy to run. First of all, we don't have enough capacity to run it. Secondly, it would be massively expensive, which defeats the whole point of the argument, because we can just take the hit today and reduce emissions today and surely that must be much much cheaper.

[Anonymous No.10038998]

>>10038864
we can store it inside your mom, there's plenty of room there

>>10038875
with that attitude it won't

[Anonymous No.10039388]

>>10038928
source?

[Anonymous No.10039406]

>>10034752
More or less this.
No amount of "green policy" from all of america and europe can undo what china and india are shitting out. Theyre incidentally also the most densely populated places on earth so when natural disasters start fucking us up, global pop will drop insanely fast and rebalance its own output.

[Anonymous No.10039423]

>>10034708
>drumpf's administration is a bunch of baffoons, anything they say is lies
>holy shit they are predicting that the global temperature will raise by 4 degrees Centigrade we're all doomed!

[Anonymous No.10039454]

>>10038944
Global warming is the death of liberalism, period. The monarchists and fascists were closer to right than liberals ever were. Liberalism cripples strong action in numerous ways.
>>10038965
this guy gets it
>>10038998
>with that attitude it won't
I'm not saying we can't try it, but speculative geoengineering cannot be a crutch to avoid reducing emissions. Reducing emissions is a preferable strategy as it is directly effective, cheaper, and clearly feasible. Geoengineering methods are secondary strategies at best.
>>10039406
we should still try

A lot more solar towers out in the desert would be a great start. More wind farms too, including offshore. And solar heating districts with seasonal thermal storage in cities to reduce heating fuel use. There's no reason not to.

[Anonymous No.10039486]

>>10039406
>No amount of "green policy" from all of america and europe can undo what china and india are shitting out.

What you are missing is that India and China are as much desperate to stop climate change as we are. Yes, they want to industrialise and get rich. But they also are in great peril. Their food and water security is at risk. Neighboring countries pose a bigger treat. The cost of natural disasters keeps increasing.

They also have already moved to curb their emissions greatly and have shown sincere desire to sign a mutual agreement to reduce emissions.

The US stands alone as the stubborn asshole who keeps shitting on the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.10039669]

>>10036855
>Study of the climate is part of science you fucktard
Climatologists do not use the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.10039676]

>>10039669

[Anonymous No.10039699]

Why are there two threads about the exact same WaPo article? These threads should be bannable