/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10016961]

>people who speak as if evolution has some kind of consciousness with a purpose in mind

[Anonymous No.10016990]

>people who think literally everything has to have an evolutionary purpose

[Anonymous No.10016997]

>extra space is being created everywhere and drives the expansion of the universe

[Anonymous No.10017013]

>>10016990
This is bugging me a bit. Obviously there must be some qualities kept by accident and random chance but it seems like it is safe to say that most od the time.

[Anonymous No.10017023]

>>10017013
>what’s the evolutionary advantage of FARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAYING

[Anonymous No.10017038]

Unitonically, what is the evolutionary benefit of evolution then?

[Anonymous No.10017051]

>>10016961
Anon, it's just a turn of phrase, it's tiring to always say due to these and these kinds of selection pressures these and these kind of traits deemed more favourable for the organism
But I understand, autistic people have trouble with language, it's alright

[Anonymous No.10017057]

>>10016961
>not understanding that human beings and all other life on earth is one super organism called God

>not understanding that evolution deals with a single universal organism and not multiple earthly beings

wew lad

[Anonymous No.10017061]

>>10017038
he cute

[Anonymous No.10017066]

>>10016961
Because it did.

[Anonymous No.10017104]

>>10016961
Not consciousness, but rather a purpose. Evolution creates complex life, and the more complex life is, the more entropy increases, and the more it increases, the closer we come to the end of the universe

[Anonymous No.10017109]

>>10017051
This.

Whenever people actually use this phrase they often refer to evolution as a noun 'force' because it makes things easier to describe; whilst still fully understanding it involves no purpose/consciousness/goal.

[Anonymous No.10017114]

>>10017109
it's like Dennet's example of computers playing chess, it's sometimes just easier to talk about castling instead of electron wave probabilities

[Anonymous No.10017116]

>>10017109
it's like Dennett's example of computers playing chess, it's sometimes just easier to talk about castling instead of electron wave probabilities

[Anonymous No.10017125]

>>10016961
>when people make up these dumb ass stone age scenarios with cave men and women in order to explain behaviour patterns of contemporary people and why they make totally sense because they're supposedly ingraned in us from these ancient times
I mean some of them make sense but it's become so fucking boring

[Anonymous No.10017241]

>>10017125
Do you think genetics are just irrelevant then?

[Anonymous No.10018060]

>>10017051
>>10017109
>defending the retards

[Anonymous No.10018158]

>>10016961
>personification isnt a useful way to think about a complicated system.

Are you also the same guy who has been saying the invisible hand is a real hand?

[Anonymous No.10018329]

>>10017125
This. Its so god damn annoying especially when you have evidence against the theory and they just deny it because it goes against their sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.10018333]

>>10017125
Are you really using the argument "it's become boring" for why people should stop correctly analyzing human behavior and instincts? How fucking dumb are you?

[Anonymous No.10018354]

>>10017038
If at least one species or group is evolving, then red queen hypothesis gives an answer to your question for other species.

[Anonymous No.10018358]

Evolution is effected by living things so.. yeah it kinda does have a mind.

[Anonymous No.10018360]

>>10018158

[Anonymous No.10018366]

>>10017013
>Obviously there must be some qualities kept by accident and random chance but it seems like it is safe to say that most od the time.
No, that's not safe to say. For one thing, you're assuming the alternatives are "accident" and "random chance." You're forgetting about all incidental happenstances. Evolution isn't consciously coming up with ideas for structures, so the stuff that does emerge will more often than not come with incidental baggage that isn't contributing anything useful but also isn't harmful enough to make carriers die out without reproducing.
A conscious designer can come up with a process that does only the job needing to be done and nothing else, but natural evolution more often than not will not be producing processes that narrowly specific since natural processes need to form one step at a time with each step needing to stand on its own for all the other steps to be able to exist. Which is why you end up with the giraffe laryngeal nerve situation where it takes a really long detour as a consequence of its step by step inheritance from prior organisms with shorter necks.

[Anonymous No.10018375]

>>10017051
>>10017109
The problem is people who speak in terms of evolution as though it were a conscious engineer imbuing purpose don't just use it as shorthand. They literally form expectations that would be obviously nonsensical if they didn't frame it in this way e.g. Asking what the "evolutionary purpose" of X is.
If it were only a matter of which label you use nobody would care, but it's not. It's a matter of understanding correctly how this actually works.

[Anonymous No.10018385]

>>10017013
You are spot on with this. For example, life could have viably evolved to use either L or D amino acids, and it just so happens that the L stereo-isomer stuck around.

[Anonymous No.10018394]

>>10018360
I watched the big short so im allowed to kek at this

[Anonymous No.10018398]

>>10017023
farting is the releasing of gases in the digestive system if you must know. It isn't a useless and meaningless thing. I can't tell if you were joking or not so I just had to say that.

>>10018333
I know right?

[Anonymous No.10018412]

>>10017013
Purpose is not required. The trait just hasn't died off yet (because it happens to get passed on during reproduction)

[Anonymous No.10019436]

>>10017241
>>10018333
nah but explaining complex behaviours by
>it makes totally sense because as a caveman you had to totally do this and that
seems just retarded to me most of the time as it's often just their dumb fantasies of what ancienct humans supposedly were doing for ten thousands of years

[Anonymous No.10019473]

most people don't even have consciousness/self-awareness
(just made this up so don't get mad at me. sounds right to me atm)

[Anonymous No.10019521]

>>10018354
except in the case of mutualism symbiosis

[Anonymous No.10019887]

>>10017057

[Anonymous No.10020109]

>>10016961
>people who speak as if mere mechanical atoms that happen to be arranged into a human brain have some kind of consciousness with a purpose in mind
If you know him well, you can predict a man's thoughts and actions, yet he has a consciousness. A brain is a physical mechanism, it follows rules, yet we experience life as we do. Why shouldn't other physical systems that display apparent preference and intent?

When we look at the universe, when we learn its laws, we discover preferences and intentions. Consider the second law of thermodynamics. What is "entropy"? The intention, the preference of the universe is to increase entropy. There we have the will of God.

Now, what is life, in physical terms? A mechanism for breaking out of local maxima of entropy, to stop the ongoing process of creation from freezing unfinished. Evolution is the hand of God, creating what He loves, to serve His purpose. It only looks random and accidental when you're too close to see the pattern.

What is morality? Alignment with the will of God. What allows us to survive, to grow, to become better at finding and breaking up local maxima of entropy is good. What would lead to our extinction, hinder our growth, prevent us from developing to higher, more capable forms, or forbid us to disturb an entropic deadlock is evil.

To better serve God, to become capable of aligning with His purpose, we grew capable of carrying within our minds a reflection of His. We touch, in some tiny way, what His experience of being must be, when we connect with the divine through observing a glorious pattern: a choir of many voices sung in a cathedral stacked up by many hands, the exposed workings of a clock, a clearing in a forest where a stream flows, or a spiral galaxy, an island universe of countless worlds.

This is all real, not illusion nor delusion. God is real. Good and evil are objective, as is true beauty. Who's to say when our bodies die, we don't share in this cosmic experience?