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There are no texts on game theory on the list in the sticky. Why not?
Anybody have a recommended one?

Also, game theory thread if anybody is interested.

>> No.6761660

>>6761555
>checking my own trips as an excuse to bump

nice trips

>> No.6762181

I had no interest in game theory until I started playing fighting games.

It's interesting.

>> No.6762531

>>6762181
What games were you applying it to and did you formally study it at all or just read a tiny bit online or what?

>> No.6762591

bumping 'cause interested as well.

Couldn't ever apply it to anything in a formalized way.

>> No.6762907

non-game theory pleb reporting in. (also, wanna-be game theory master race)

Halp.

>> No.6762925

>>6761555
the /sci/ sticky is one of the least organized sites I can remember. There's not even a bit of helpful information posted.

>> No.6762940

>>6762925

That's where lovely anon comes in and blows me away with his/her/its wonderful knowledge of game theory textbooks <3

>> No.6762950

>>6761555
bump for trips and interests. I can solve riddles, which are based on game theory but can rarely find a situation to apply it to real world.
>>6762925
i only used it to learn how to latex on 4chuns

>> No.6763021

/r/gametheory

>> No.6763359

I'm currently taking a class on Game Theory; were using Behavioral Game Theory by Colin Camerer. According to my professor it's the best book out there on the subejct. Here's a pdf link to the book:http://libgen.org/book/index.php?md5=67FE8B0EDED9DE9AAD044E880FF066A3 (Click next to title to download pdf)

>> No.6763368

>game theory
not science

>> No.6763613

>>6763359
Ooooh thank you anon, I hope I get trips so I can devote them to you as I kiss your feet.

>>6763368
>>>/sci/ - Science and Math
>Math

Ok.

>> No.6763647

>>6761555
you are retard. i learned to play games when i was five or less. why do you need a book to play checkers or hungry hungry hippo? or are you some retard parent who is asking for his kid? go back to middle school.

>> No.6763653

>>6763647
it's not entirely obvious whether or not you are hardcore trolling or hardcore autist, so I don't know which one to respond towards, sorry :\
I'm leaning towards troll?

Moving on,
other than the guy that posted the link to the textbook, does /sci/ really have nothing to say about game theory?

>> No.6763897

>>6763653
I'll be honest, other than "common sense", I can't really see Game Theory having any systematic application in any science.

Game Theory, if my knowledge serves me correctly, as well as the input of several friends, arose from the field of economics. Your best bet would be to check economics text books. I would suggest heading over to /biz/ but that would quite possibly be a waste of time.

I can't really give you any more advice without going completely outside my realm of knowledge. And any good scientist will try not to make a claim they can not substantiate, or which they do not have a strong base for

>> No.6764071

>>6763368
Game theory is math, so it belongs here.

>> No.6764093

>>6763897
>I'll be honest, other than "common sense", I can't really see Game Theory having any systematic application in any science.

It is massively relevant in GAI research, which is where I mainly picked it up from.

>> No.6764097

>>6763897
>I can't really see Game Theory having any systematic application in any science.
It's a social/soft science thing. It has tons of application in biology/ecology as well as psychology, economics etc. It is a very heavily mathematical subject and was originally grouped under math, it's just in practice the mathematical rigor is so far removed from reality that it only predicted anything useful in economics, it is very useful in dealing with simple animal or other nonhuman species behavior particularly in the aggregate as well though.

>I would suggest heading over to /biz/ but that would quite possibly be a waste of time.
No, just because it's related to economics doesn't mean it's a business topic, this is definitely, definitely more under math, also the people on /biz/ are way too dumb.

OP, I took a college class on game theory, it was a 4000 level class and considered one of the harder and more quantitative ones in the department, and it was a total fucking joke, we didn't even get close to learning anything useful and everything we covered was painfully simplistic babby tier shit. I've done a small bit of further reading as I am interested in the subject and it gets very math heavy once you get past the simplistic discrete models and quite complex. Personally I believe it has a lot of future application though as it should be able to be computationally simulated and applied to statistics or aggregate information in many different applications, as it does deal with decision making though there's no reason it would apply to any higher order science than biology.

>> No.6764195

>>6764093
>GAI
what do you mean?

>> No.6764198

Because Discrete Math/Discrete Structures basically teaches you game theory + a hell of a lot more actually useful information.

>> No.6764229

>>6764195
General AI

>> No.6764287

>>6764229
ah i see. Not meaning to derail the thread but could you give some source (book or web page idc) about the topic preferably with some game theory reference

>> No.6764302

so how much of game theory topics have been even remotely covered? it seems like something no one gives a shit about that they maybe should.

>> No.6764470

>>6764287

http://arxiv.org/abs/1401.5577

>> No.6764553

>>6761555
>computational engineering science master race

You are a faggot. Stop.

>> No.6764569

>>6764470
that has nothing to do with AGI.

>> No.6764612

I will add any book suggestions posted in this thread to the sticky.

>>6761555
Check out The Compleat Strategyst. It's a very approachable book on the subject that isn't bogged down in all sorts of uninteresting economics stuff.

>>6762925
It's extremely outdated. All of the original maintainers left ages ago. It's not a proper website just some weird Microsoft word like document, so editing it is extremely tedious.

>> No.6764614

>>6762181
What the fuck are you talking about? Fighting games don't have game theory. You just set up 50/50s that are hard to punish and bait out moves that are easy to punish. There's no deep philosophy required here.

>> No.6764615

>>6763897
It's actually math that's commonly applied in economics. It has a very close relationship to AI and probability. I believe because it turns out that Bayesian networks and games are actually the same thing represented differently.

>> No.6764616

>>6764553
I'm not an engineer or even a "scientist" of any kind, how did you get that from a post asking about game theory? And what makes somebody a faggot for asking about game theory?

I think it's a vastly interesting subject (not like spend 8 years studying in school, but like read a book about and hopefully apply someday), why shitpost? I know that sci is b, but can we just pretend it isn't sometimes?

>> No.6764665

>>6764569
>that has nothing to do with AGI.

Sure it does.