I just got officially diagnosed with ADHD (predominantly inattentive), how do I fix my brain bros? Are stimulants my only hope?

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Anonymous Fri Jul 14 20:47:29 2023 No.15562729 [Reply] [Original]

I just got officially diagnosed with ADHD (predominantly inattentive), how do I fix my brain bros? Are stimulants my only hope?

Anonymous Fri Jul 14 20:52:16 2023 No.15562737

>>15562729
>how do I fix my brain bros? Are stimulants my only hope?
Yes, your brain is physically broken and inferior to a normal brain because you lack the ability to make and regulate dopamine. You can train yourself to be better, but you will still be bad and feel shitty. Think of it as a vitamin supplement for your brain. Normal people can get high on them because their brain works, but yours slowly just learns how to manage dopamine because the production end isn't as taxxing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 14 20:53:55 2023 No.15562741 >>15562729 you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 14 20:54:38 2023 No.15562743 You can't fix it. You can learn to accept and understand it. Stimulants help, but they're not necessary, nor can they fix all your problems.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 14 21:21:09 2023 No.15562781 File: 89 KB, 631x561, chrome_udAc1SyBx0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15562729 idk if this is an adhd thing or not, but I have so much trouble reading I "ping pong" between text like picrel maybe you guys can relate

Anonymous Fri Jul 14 21:25:40 2023 No.15562790

>>15562781
I do the same, idk if it's ADHD but it's more useful to read this way for me. Unless you're actually jumping between words like that and can't even read a sentence straight. For me, it's that I read a sentence, then mentally predict if the author is going to say anything useful next 3-5 sentences. If not, I skip and move on. If from context it seems like he did end up saying something useful, I just move back. But 90% of the time you don't need to do that, because 80% of the text in most books is redundant. It's quicker more efficient reading.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 14 21:48:34 2023 No.15562835 >>15562729 There's no fix. It's like having a broken leg. You can have crutches but you will never have a normal leg. Genuinely, adhd makes me want to die

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 14 22:17:42 2023 No.15562893 >>15562729 Get off the internet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 14 22:23:13 2023 No.15562902 >>15562781 Good use of lorem ipsum kek, I have much the same problem unless I'm actively trying to keep myself on task >t. diagnosed ADHD sperg

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 14 22:39:03 2023 No.15562928 >>15562729 Eugenics in the long term, beatings in the short.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 00:19:11 2023 No.15563197 adhd is not real

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 00:36:14 2023 No.15563231 >>15562790 don't do this to mw , adhd is just a state of mind and can be changed

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 00:37:16 2023 No.15563232 >>15562893 and do what ?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 01:17:50 2023 No.15563287
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>>15562737
this stance is also rightfully criticised for being a cupcake stance on the topic. fucking tough luck, princess, you broke your dopamine regulation systems. how did that happen?
plenty of us have neurodivergent patterns and are weirdos in some way or other and have our good and bad sides. for me it's often really hard to find enough justification for the pity from ADHD-fags and take any of it seriously.

god you people are such annoying little faggots its literally unbelievable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 01:32:36 2023 No.15563306 >all or nothing Delete this picture.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 01:43:19 2023 No.15563322
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>>15562729
you don't have "ADHD", you are being sold drugs by a legal drug dealer supported by a trillion dollar industry and possibly the most corrupt force in academia and policy there is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 01:52:07 2023 No.15563331 >>15562729 ADHD is not real the only problem with your brain is that your a midwit that beliefs what people tell him like a good goy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 01:56:10 2023 No.15563338 >>15563331 >says person definitely not trying to make you believe something

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:02:34 2023 No.15563349 >>15563338 not him but if ADHD is real AND diagnoses for it are accurate, then 15-20% of american boys have it. does that sound realistic to you? or is maybe somebody who is paid to sell drugs trying to sell you drugs?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:05:45 2023 No.15563351

Literally read a book for several hours everyday. Do not scroll on social media for more than 10 minutes a day. Works everytime. Methylphenidate/Ritalin has a bunch of long term adverse side effects and Adderal is literally amphetamines. I have never met a successful STEM major who a) has ADHD and b) took stimulant meds. They always crash and burn and dropout. Don’t go down that path anon, trust me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:09:13 2023 No.15563358 what do people gain from shilling this "just man up" shit? are they just trying to convince themselves? why are they so hateful?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:10:19 2023 No.15563360 >>15563351 it's proven that literally everyone who drinks water dies! water is literally dihydrogen monoxide, don't go down that path waterbros!

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:14:24 2023 No.15563366

>>15563358
it is a good recommendation, and it's not hateful. people give enough of a shit to give you advice they think is helpful.

wallowing in self-pity and externally expressing that you are flawed and injured doesn't achieve much unless you are a woman, and is more likely to harm your social position and psychology. late teens/early twenties are an extremely difficult transitional phase especially in the torturous society we live in, but there is light at the end of the tunnel, and the light quite literally is "manning up" and learning how to thrive despite having problems.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:17:43 2023 No.15563374

>>15563358
Two big reasons.

1. People don't like to hear whining. So their "just man up" response is basically the same as a groan you'd make at a long boring story. They're just telling you in a roundabout way to shut up because you're annoying.

2. Just-world fallacy. Normalfags associate life results with one's hardwork or moral character. Not succeeding? You don't need drugs! You need to perpetual motion bootstraps.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:18:03 2023 No.15563375

Outside of Anglosphere, parts of Europe ADHD is treated with a huge amount of skepticism. Even medical community within these countries know it’s a bullshit diagnosis to squeeze money out of people, similar to neo-“autism”. Inattention/hyperactivity is probably a combination of genetics and lax regulation in these countries creating contaminants. Even the treatments for ADHD, which long term studies have shown exacerbate symptoms of ADHD, are possibly causing it in previously normal kids.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:29:30 2023 No.15563394 >>15563374 do 15-20% of american boys need drugs to treat ADHD?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:31:26 2023 No.15563399 >>15563394 yeah normalfags self-diagnose so they can get pills to help them with essays and school work. go to any pain clinic and you'll see all the people lined up with "back pain" trying to get opioids. same shit.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:32:17 2023 No.15563400
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>>15563374
>Normalfags associate life results with one's hardwork or moral character
do you think there might be a reason that people who work hard achieve more positive results than people who don't? or is this just a normie fantasy too?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:33:17 2023 No.15563402 >>15563399 but you're different, you're special and not someone who just wants drugs/an excuse to blame something they can't control for their problems instead of working hard to solve them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:38:21 2023 No.15563417 >>15563394 that's between them, their doctors, and their parents the percentage is irrelevant >>15563400 nowhere did that anon advocate against working hard

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 02:41:26 2023 No.15563428 is adhd even real? seems like an excuse for laziness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 03:05:25 2023 No.15563479 >>15562729 Forget technology, move into the woods and cultivate a library. Boredom is your cure, and the modern lifestyle will never allow you to be bored

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 03:08:37 2023 No.15563481 >>15562729 >What people think ADHD is: a small set of specifically defined symptoms >What ADHD actually is: AN UNDEFINED MASS OF LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING INCLUDING ENTIRE OTHER MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS Psychology is a fucking joke.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 03:11:07 2023 No.15563483 >>15563481 there's a social media @, did you actually think this was a scientific diagram anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 03:32:31 2023 No.15563537 >>15562729 Improve your gut lining by avoiding wheat and eat healthy, natural foods for your ethnicity. Now wait for the dopamin producing bacteria to reestablish itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 05:52:50 2023 No.15563769 >>15563322 You provide zero evidence for your claims and baseless accusations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 06:51:52 2023 No.15563836 >>15563769 >You provide zero evidence for your claims Just like ADHD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 06:59:05 2023 No.15563841 File: 44 KB, 400x387, IMG_8624.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15563836 Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 07:30:40 2023 No.15563862 Why does the idea of ADHD existing upset some people so much?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 07:43:08 2023 No.15563873

God this board is stupid when it comes to adhd, The answers make it seem like toddlers drooling about in a university classroom. Just le exercise more anon. No, just stop watching tiktok. No just start taking yorghurt. No, just read more. Don't listen to these retards, take your medicine and note the change for your next meeting with your therapist.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 10:06:07 2023 No.15564054

>>15563862
ADHD is an acquired condition because of unnatural circumstances. Developing kids need more diverse stimuli for developing and the hyperactivity is a consequence of this.
The modern upbringing of children (by kindergartens, schools) is comparable to sensory deprivation torture for a kid with the natural instincts to learn about social hierarchy, dangers and what not.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 10:21:36 2023 No.15564072 >>15563351 I want to study in stem and I have ADHD. Is it over? Will I be able to finish a math-heavy program? I can't use any ADHD meds, they are illegal here. Is there any hope for me to manage this illness?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 12:04:31 2023 No.15564195

>>15562729
Develop mechanisms/strategies in order especially regarding executive dysfunction.

Adhd meds help to a degree but unless you address your underlying problems you will be stuck forever. When you're on them it feels like you have a stat perk boost mentally but your body develops a tolerance and gradually need a higher dose for same effect. Side effects can be quite uncomfortable. Some meds just make you a complete dopamine junkie.

There's a book called "The woman who changed her Brain".The author is trying to sell her program but the book lays out things in it you will identify with.

ADHD needs some kind of strenuous physical activity to activate the brain and clear the fog. Lifting weights does a good job of this.

if you want to talk 1 on 1, drop your discord or an email address.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 12:20:08 2023 No.15564231 >>15562729 You aren't gonna fix your brain. Use the meds you get in conjunction with any coping mechanisms you've developed in order to live a semi-functional life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 12:30:08 2023 No.15564253 >>15564072 I studied physics with undiagnosed ADHD. Out of curiosity, in which third-world country are adhd meds illegal?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 13:05:16 2023 No.15564319 >>15562729 I don't see why you'd ever want to go without stimulants. They won't fix everything, but they will make things a little more manageable. t. haver of ADHD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 13:06:21 2023 No.15564320 >>15564054 I wish you could have my ADHD for a day just so you could see what it's like

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 13:19:27 2023 No.15564344 >>15564195 >Adhd meds help to a degree They help like giving a man with no legs a wheelchair.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:26:22 2023 No.15564486 >>15563862 they believe in magic that the brain is not responsible for behavior

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:36:01 2023 No.15564497 >>15564486 Who are "they"?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:36:47 2023 No.15564498

>>15562729
Get yourself on a nootropics stack anon.
Important but not game changing:
>Fish/algae oil for DHA/EPA
>Alpha-GPC/CDP-Choline (DYOR)
>Creatine
Game-changing:
>Phenlylpiracetam or other racetams(Take CDP-Choline or Alpha-GPC with to avoid side effects)
>Cerebrolysin
ADHD is essentially a result of impaired growth of dopaminergic neurons. You basically have brain damage and need to fix it with neurotrophic substances, which is where the cerebrolysin comes in. While tough with ADHD, I also strongly recommend meditation in combination with the other shit as it will teach your system to focus. Exercise as much as possible, its essential for neurotrophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:37:26 2023 No.15564499 >>15564497 >Why does the idea of ADHD existing upset some people so much? Have you already forgotten the subject after 2 sentences?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:38:30 2023 No.15564501

>>15564498
Btw, if you go down the stimulant route, try to keep it as a temporary thing. You want to use them to let your system learn how to actually function normally, but you don't want to take them so long that your system relies on them. For a long-term stim stick to caffeine

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:39:08 2023 No.15564502 >>15564344 pretty sure there's a lot of legless people thankful they don't have to be carried anywhere

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:39:48 2023 No.15564503 >>15564344 >helping people is bad!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:41:06 2023 No.15564508 >>15564502 pretty sure that was the implied sentiment. Meds won't make ADHD go away but it will make it easier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:42:43 2023 No.15564510 >>15564503 Who said that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:42:58 2023 No.15564512 >>15564508 i think that is the most charitable reading possible of the intent behind that post. i applaud your optimism, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:46:30 2023 No.15564516 >>15564503 >Giving people addictive drugs is helping them and next you'll say diabetics should all be prescribed insulin

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:48:30 2023 No.15564519 >>15564516 They can't survive without it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:52:05 2023 No.15564522 >>15564516 I know, ridiculous! Next you're going to tell me we should give people with vitamin deficiencies vitamin supplements! What's next? Prosthetics for amputees? ABSURD!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:56:20 2023 No.15564529 I think I will trust medical professionals over randoms who have done cursory research (google searches, reading paper headlines, and 4chan infographics)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:56:50 2023 No.15564531 >>15564529 What are you, an NPC?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:57:39 2023 No.15564533 This discussion has been entirely poisoned by the for profit burger doctors who prescribed adhd meds to normal kids. Americans are generally unable to hold nuanced opinions, they are either for something or against it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 15:58:21 2023 No.15564534 >>15564516 >addictive drugs Post proof that adhd meds are addictive in therapeutical doses.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:12:04 2023 No.15564555

>>15564072
I’m personally a semester away from an aerospace engineering degree.
ADHD in general makes things harder but I think it is also a major contributor to my creativity and I can obsess over certain projects that I’m fond of, allowing me to put much more effort into them than others. Those projects and creativity got me 2 internship offers - professors just straight up asked me if I would want an internship; other students I know had to look for an internship themselves.
Meds help but I did without them for most of my life. Nicotine also helps (but go for smokeless options if you can).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:12:30 2023 No.15564556 >>15564519 >>15564522 Diabetics should be put on zero carb diets and people with vitamin deficiencies should eat more nutrient dense natural food. Amputees are a dishonest shifting of the goalposts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:14:52 2023 No.15564563 >>15564556 Are you talking about t1 or t2?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:23:35 2023 No.15564581

>>15564563
Yes.
Type 2 diabetics are insulin resistant and require extra insulin to manage their blood sugar.
Type 1 diabetics are insulin deficient and require external insulin to manage their blood sugar.
Keeping your blood sugar naturally low with a high fat, low or zero carb diet manages both conditions. There's more of an argument to be made with Type 1 diabetics receiving insulin, but Type 2 diabetics can literally reverse everything about their condition by removing carbs from their diet and Type 1 diabetics should need very little insulin if they're keeping blood sugar low in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:35:24 2023 No.15564602 >>15562729 ADHD doesn't exist, it's just high functioning Asperger's syndrome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:35:41 2023 No.15564603 >>15564067 I don't know why but this picture makes me feel funny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:36:59 2023 No.15564604 >>15564602 your take has been recorded in the big book of takes by anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:37:57 2023 No.15564608 >>15564604 Enjoy your amphetamines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:39:52 2023 No.15564613 >>15562729 >all I did during my development years was play videogames and masturbate to cartoon drawings. how do I fix my brain bros? you don't. you cope and seethe now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:40:35 2023 No.15564614 >>15562737 >you lack the ability to make dopamine Lmfao

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:40:39 2023 No.15564615 >>15564613 don't project

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:47:40 2023 No.15564624

The only rational treatment for those claiming to have ADHD is imprisonment, because it's effectively an admission that you don't have control over your own actions. It's very tragic and we should still treat them with compassion and try to rehabilitate, but a human without functional executive faculties is too dangerous to leave free in society.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:50:09 2023 No.15564630 >>15564581 >can literally reverse everything about their condition Okay, my suspicion reached 100% here. Please post a legitimate source for your claim.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 16:51:09 2023 No.15564632 >>15564581 If you have t2, you're about 80% of the way to some sort of heart condition too. You're not fixing that. Just take the insulin.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:09:04 2023 No.15564650

>>15564630
Here's a case study that shows it:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31336509/
>The results of the 12-week intervention were statistically significant. The patient's HgA1c dropped out of diabetic range (8.0%) and normalized at 5.4%. Her average daily glucose measurements declined from 216 mg/dL to 96 mg/dL; the HOMA-IR and triglyceride/HDL ratios improved by 75%. Her marker for clinical depression and measurement of self-efficacy normalized. The 12-week individualized treatment intervention served to functionally reverse 26 years of T2DM, ameliorate two and half decades of chronic depressive disorder and empower/equip the patient with a new experience of hope and success.

If a Type 2 diabetic's blood sugar isn't raised beyond a level that they're able to control with their own insulin they won't need to supplement insulin to keep their blood sugar down. Super shocking and non-intuitive, I know!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:12:09 2023 No.15564657 >>15564555 thats good to hear, it does make me feel better, thank you for posting this

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:14:12 2023 No.15564658 >>15564555 >>15564555 >Nicotine also helps (but go for smokeless options if you can). That does not exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:15:08 2023 No.15564660 >>15564608 Thanks. No idea what they're like for normies, but with ADHD it really helps.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:15:10 2023 No.15564661

>>15564632
I had type 2 and cured it. But it took 1 year of drinking tonnes of water, almost 3 litres everyday, walking and quitting all forms of raw sugar. I was forced to drink that much because the constipation almost ruined my gut. I literally shit black and deformed hard like stool that nearly tore away my anus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:16:02 2023 No.15564663 >>15564660 I used to give ritalin to normies who wanted to try it during university. No one ever asked twice

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:22:46 2023 No.15564673

>>15564661
All this while i maintained my previous diet. Grains and all carbs. I lost significant weight during that period. Could be because i have extremely high metabolism and was never fat. Meanwhile, i slept better while diabetic and sweated less. Unironically also had more energy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:23:58 2023 No.15564675 >>15564663 Yeah it's pretty ridiculous that ritalin is DEA Schedule 2. Amphetamines might be fun to abuse but methylphenidate definitely is not. On the plus side for therapeutic ADHD treatment it works just as well as amphetamine.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:25:07 2023 No.15564677

>>15564661
>quitting all forms of raw sugar
>>15564673
>All this while i maintained my previous diet. Grains and all carbs.
So you're saying you removed all sugar from your diet without changing your diet or reducing carb intake. What the fuck do you think sugar is?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:27:18 2023 No.15564681 >>15564661 >>15564673 >>15564677 How are you people diabetic at such an early age? Or are all of you unironically boomers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:29:08 2023 No.15564684 >>15564681 The first 2 posts you linked are the same person. The third is me and I've never had diabetes but I have a number of diabetic family members.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:34:02 2023 No.15564691 >>15564675 Never tried adderal, but ritalin makes a ton of difference

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:34:46 2023 No.15564692

>>15564677
I used to take tea with sugar. I used honey and jam in my bread. Fruits too. Quit that, meanwhile, i maintained my carb intake because i figured that i just couldn't shit properly without eating grain.
>>15564681
I'm 30, i developed it because of a 6 month change in diet that caused me to consume a lot more sugar than i would be consuming normally.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:36:10 2023 No.15564694

>>15564650
>case study
Okay start, but until you offer a meta analysis I don't think it's feasible to say ''Type 2 diabetics can literally reverse everything about their condition by removing carbs from their diet''. It's generalizing, and naively optimistic.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:37:26 2023 No.15564695

>>15564319
I got diagnosed and refused to take them forever. Completely fucked up my life, my ADHD is so out of control It takes me hours to do anything because I will just forget what I'm doing immediately, now I live overseas and I can't get the meds without going through the process here. Shit sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:38:28 2023 No.15564696 >>15564694 There's plenty of anecdotal evidence out there from people who reverse diabetes with ketogenic diets and I've seen it happen to people I know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:39:28 2023 No.15564697 >>15564692 Anon, you severely reduced your carb intake by doing those things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:41:39 2023 No.15564701 >>15564697 Yes but why did it take so fucking long to regain insulin sensitivity. I'm not overweight or anything and still lost tonnes of weight.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:41:44 2023 No.15564702

>>15564695
Hearing shit like this is the only reason I bother to engage when morons claim that ADHD isn't real and other burger fantasies. I started taking it and I went from being an inch from dropping out from university to being an A student. Shit changed my life

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:41:44 2023 No.15564703 >>15564658 Snus? Chewing tobacco? Nicotine patches?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:44:56 2023 No.15564710

>>15564701
>Yes but why did it take so fucking long to regain insulin sensitivity.
Probably because of the carbs you did keep consuming, and because it just plain takes a long time even if you go full carnivore and do zero carb. The body is resistant to change; if you spend enough time doing something to fuck it then you have to spend as much or more time doing something else to un-fuck it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:51:31 2023 No.15564724 >>15564702 this is so depressing to read because those meds are illegal where I live. Is there no hope without them? No behavioral method to manage ADHD? Is suicide the only option?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:53:22 2023 No.15564731 >>15564724 Where do you live nigger?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:54:17 2023 No.15564734

>>15564724
I used ADHD meds sporadically because I was diagnosed with severe ADHD. At one point in my studies I decided to quit them and take back control - it didn't end well. I had 10 resits (basically the entire year of med school) to take care of in the span of 50 days. Somehow, I managed to accomplish it and the only thing I needed to get me to study for 14 hours straight was pure existential dread. Not so fun to have to rely on, but it *is* possible. I suppose the silver lining is that once you find something you're unwilling to let go of, medication isn't needed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:56:13 2023 No.15564739 >>15564734 I don't understand why you would put yourself through that kind of hell just to prove something. What did you prove? That you can endure hell? So what?

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:56:59 2023 No.15564740

>>15564695
>>15564724
Some people have success improving ADHD with dietary improvements that repair their gut health. Try removing processed foods and seed oils from your diet and look into the Weston Price Foundation's ancestral-based dietary principles. It's not a guarantee or a cure-all but there are people who claim varying degrees of success.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 17:59:35 2023 No.15564742 >>15564724 You can smuggle medication in via post office. I've bought lsd like that and it arrived in form of a letter. But you refuse to tell us where you live.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:00:18 2023 No.15564743

>>15564740
I'm conflicted on this. On one hand I'm a firm believer that gut microbes have a big impact on human health, but on the other hand I've tried so many different cures to my condition, believed it has worked for a few months and then crashed. I've tried so many things, and the only thing that has had any effect whatsoever is medication.

Maybe it does help, I can see why it would, I'm just very sceptic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:00:58 2023 No.15564744 >>15564740 The people who do this never had it in the first place. ADHD requires a childhood diagnosis, its not something that you develop later in life and can suddenly cure it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:04:10 2023 No.15564749 File: 25 KB, 648x665, 1688574391625775.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15564744 >this condition is completely incurable if we retroactively consider anyone who cures it to not have had it in the first place

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:08:14 2023 No.15564756 >>15564731 I live in Russia >>15564742 Thanks, this will send me to prison for years

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:09:59 2023 No.15564758 >>15564756 Stimulants are illegal in russia? That doesn't make sense. All stimulants, including concerta, strattera, wellbutrin, intuniv?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:11:47 2023 No.15564763 >>15564756 My condolences.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:16:05 2023 No.15564771

>>15564758
not all of those are illegal, no. But they are not very effective compared to top-tier drugs like adderal and ritalin, they are difficult to get and very expensive. Also those have more side effects. I've been trying to fix my adhd for years and it seems impossible

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:17:45 2023 No.15564776 >>15564771 Concerta is literally ritalin but with longer release times. I think you need to find out what exact brands are illegal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:22:56 2023 No.15564781 >>15564771 russki mir...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:33:09 2023 No.15564791 >>15564776 strattera is legal with prescription and extremely expensive. also it doesn't seem to very effective >>15564781 this is why i didn't want to say where I'm from

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:34:48 2023 No.15564792 >>15564319 >>15564702 can you describe the effects they had on you and what exactly you took?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:35:30 2023 No.15564794 >>15564791 You could sneak into belarus or other former soviet countries and order from there. It doesn't seem like you explored everything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:41:22 2023 No.15564806 File: 1.57 MB, 6460x3480, 16888141627893.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15564794 I found this. It's over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:46:47 2023 No.15564813 >>15564806 Latvia, lithuania, estonia allow everything but stimulants. You don't need amphetamines, ritalin would take care of everything in the right doses. I can also see finland and turkey.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:47:49 2023 No.15564814 >>15564806 Latvia, lithuania, estonia allow everything but amphetamines. You don't need amphetamines, ritalin would take care of everything in the right doses. I can also see finland and turkey.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:52:40 2023 No.15564820 >>15564814 Smuggling drugs will send me to prison for years. I asked for behavioral therapy for adhd, it doesn't seem to exist, i've been looking for it for years

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 18:59:13 2023 No.15564829

>>15564820
I'm sure you can find people who do this on the black market. People who live in the border towns can do this. Plus we are talking one month supplies not some big smuggling operation. Just strike up a conversation and probe their willingness to do something illegal, you can tell a story how you knew someone who used to smuggle for you, etc. If you need them so much you need to take the risk anon.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 19:04:21 2023 No.15564838

>>15564792
Not him but one of the many ways my ADHD manifested was whenever I had to sit still somewhere my eyes would constantly dart around to look at different things every half second. Within an hour of taking 10mg ritalin one of the first things I noticed is I was able to just sit still and relax without feeling the overwhelming need to constantly change what I was looking at. Also hugely improved focus on tasks and more organized thinking/planning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 19:14:06 2023 No.15564853 >>15564838 >eyes constantly dart around maybe I should see a doctor

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 20:57:10 2023 No.15565057 >>15564838 >my eyes would constantly dart around to look at different things every half second would that inhibit you from holding eye contact while speaking? that's one of my biggest issues

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 21:00:18 2023 No.15565066 >>15563349 >does that sound realistic to you? Why do you think it doesn't sound realistic? There are medical conditions people have that are far more common than that, like dental cavities.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 21:28:17 2023 No.15565091
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>>15563358
>are they just trying to convince themselves?
>why are they so hateful?
70% of posters here are from the USA where it is culturally accepted that their government doesn't need to fund/subsidize psychiatry because mental illness isn't real.
Also more globally there is that crowd that believes that their whole mind is transcendant and not just a projection of a potentially flawed nervous system.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 21:41:34 2023 No.15565116

>>15564853
It's not a diagnostic criteria, it was just the first improvement I noticed after starting ritalin therapy. Anyway, I was diagnosed with ADHD (formerly "ADD") when I was 10 years old, was medicated for a few years, then I stopped all meds for like 20 years, then got back on ritalin. I'm speaking of the situation as of when I got back on meds as an adult.
>>15565057
Yeah, but that's more my autism and eye contact is one of the things that improved while I was taking ritalin. I'm not on it anymore but I really need to see a doc because symptoms are basically everything in OP's pic and its unmanageable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:02:11 2023 No.15565151 How exactly is ADHD distinguished from being bored or uninterested in your current activity? Is there some kind of blood test or scan that can be done?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:05:35 2023 No.15565155 >>15565151 Being bored or uninterested is only one of the diagnostic criteria. It's not enough to reach a diagnosis.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:08:21 2023 No.15565158

>>15564820
I think your best bet is to study abroad. Access to adhd meds isn't even the most importantly reason I'd gtfo of Russia. I'm truly sorry, mate.

Also, I hope you don't consider selfmedication. "If vyvanse is illegal, I might as well use methamphetamine, it's stronger, right?" - it won't improve your life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:13:32 2023 No.15565164 >>15565155 Well obviously, otherwise diagnosis would be impossible. So how is the distinction made? You would need some symptom that clearly wasn't attributable to the state of being bored or disinterested.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:19:33 2023 No.15565176 >>15565164 The OP's image gives many good examples of the types of symptoms one can experience apart from boredom/disinterest. You can also google "ADHD diagnostic criteria" to learn more about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:26:33 2023 No.15565188 >>15564739 Hell was ritalin usage. You can take it for months, even years to an end, but eventually you admit to yourself that you don't feel yourself while on them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 23:32:01 2023 No.15565269 >>15565176 It gives many bad ones, some of them second or third order effects and some that seem completely contradictory. You can't be surprised then that so many people regard this condition as a joke.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 23:36:58 2023 No.15565272

>>15565269
>It gives many bad ones, some of them second or third order effects and some that seem completely contradictory
None of this is the case, however.
>You can't be surprised then that so many people regard this condition as a joke.
I'm not surprised by anything morons believe, especially when half of the country believes the world was created by a magical sky fairy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 00:24:42 2023 No.15565346 >>15565272 >heh, I'm so much smarter than those morons who believe the world was created by a magical sky fairy because I believe it was created by a magical explosion of nothingness instead!

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 00:49:39 2023 No.15565378

>>15565346
>I believe it was created by a magical explosion of nothingness instead!
I don't believe that at all. Did you skip 2nd grade science class, by any chance? The basics of our leading theories are explained quite early on in elementary school, and expanded on in more detail throughout general education.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 00:58:01 2023 No.15565395 >>15565378 If you don't believe in a supernatural creator and you don't believe in the big bang then what's even left to explain the start of the universe?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:04:04 2023 No.15565399 >>15562729 >diagnosed with ADHD OP never came back, did he?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:06:18 2023 No.15565402 >>15565395 I do believe in the big bang. The big bang is not what you described in your post, though. I guess that confirms beyond all doubt just how little you know about anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:13:35 2023 No.15565414 >>15565402 >all matter in the universe was condensed into a single point that eventually expanded explosively And where did the matter in the universe come from? That's the point I'm making.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:17:22 2023 No.15565419 >>15565414 >And where did the matter in the universe come from? No one knows why matter exists. That doesn't mean the gap in knowledge is explained by Yahweh. It just means we don't know.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:23:46 2023 No.15565426

>>15563322
It was mostly only hyper and loud kids who got prescribed amphetamines. I have a lot of the lower iceberg traits and never got prescribed amphetamines. I doubt this guy got prescribed anything. He has probably wondered what his problem was his whole life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:25:18 2023 No.15565427 >>15562743 Ignorant

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:26:47 2023 No.15565430 >>15563374 Get the FUCK off my board I invented a plane of existence for myself only and YOU aren't invited. Cry about it I see you in my dms.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:29:07 2023 No.15565435

>>15563428
I don't know if it's ADHD or maladaptive daydreaming, but it sucks. I feel for OP. I've had more successful friends make fun of me and call me a loser. I don't know if it's my childhood, genetic, or something else, but i don't think my brain works right. I struggle to stay on task. I get distracted easily. I have trouble sticking to one thing. There are too many things i want to do. Imagine someone trying to learn several instruments at the same time or every couple months. That's what it's like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:30:49 2023 No.15565439 >>15565430 kek, triggered snowflake?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:34:20 2023 No.15565443 >>15562729 >how do I fix my brain bros? lol

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:35:25 2023 No.15565447

>>15564533
Now retarded anons think that ADHD doesn't exist because they prescribed drugs to boys who were just loud and annoying. What the iceberg image likely shows is that those with the other issues are actually the ones who have ADHD, but because they weren't loud and annoying, no one noticed. The stereotype of ADHD was wrong.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:39:16 2023 No.15565453

>>15564663
I've snorted adderall. It made my heart beat a little faster, but i didn't really notice much difference other than may be i was more cued in to conversations. I snorted it and went to a party. Felt pretty sober i guess. Just talked to people at the party. I was probably more social than i would have been without it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:42:13 2023 No.15565459 >>15564702 How do you respond to caffeine or cocaine. I don't like caffeine or cocaine, but amphetamines seemed to be more chill. Slight increased heart rate, but nothing like caffeine or cocaine in my experience.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:44:10 2023 No.15565461 >>15565453 You didn't snort enough of it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:44:38 2023 No.15565462

>>15564744
I think what the iceberg meme shows is that lots of people who actually have adhd slipped through the cracks. I've never been diagnosed, but i would suspect i have it to some extent. I was not a loud kid, but i have almost all the rest of the boxes ticked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:46:52 2023 No.15565465 Having ADHD is worse than having autism

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:49:58 2023 No.15565471

>>15565461
Are you supposed to be high? I've done coke and used to consume a lot of caffeine and adderall felt more clean. The other 2 gave me anxiety. Coke made me feel like i couldn't breathe. Adderall seemed a lot more calm. No anxiety, just focus. I didn't feel like i was going to have a heart attack either.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:58:39 2023 No.15565486

>>15562729
>how do I fix my brain bros?

Meditation. There's also musical therapy for ADHD which has shown a lot of clinical promise.

People like >>15562737

Are drug dealing profit seekers that want control over your brain.

They are gaslighting you that you can do nothing to improve your condition that isn't handing them money. Don't listen to them. Improve your diet. Learn to meditate. Find ADHD therapy music. All of those are better for you long-term and healthier for you as a person.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:01:10 2023 No.15565489 >>15563769 >Big pharma isn't corrupt How are the Sacklers doing, shill?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:02:11 2023 No.15565491 >>15564486 You believe in magic pills. Modern pharmacology is less ethical and scientific than old voodoo medicine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:03:31 2023 No.15565492 >15565491 >Modern pharmacology is less ethical and scientific than old voodoo medicine. How do you even argue with people who are this stupid?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:05:09 2023 No.15565495 >>15564516 >>15564519 >>15564522 Fasting has been shown to regenerate the pancreas and would likely cure most type 2 diabetics. But that's not profitable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:06:28 2023 No.15565499 >>15565492 There is no helping people that are too stupid to properly link posts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:06:45 2023 No.15565501 >>15565486 >my sonic geometry church isn't a grift bro I swear just pay 299$ for my course about healing frequencies

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:06:56 2023 No.15565502 >>15565495 >Fasting has been shown to regenerate the pancreas Which youtuber told you that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:09:43 2023 No.15565506 >>15565502 You should kill yourself. https://www.nature.com/articles/nrendo.2017.28

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:11:20 2023 No.15565509 >>15565506 >mice lmao. this isn't even in the same universe as what you claimed.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:12:59 2023 No.15565512

>>15565501
>No dude, pills are the answer to every problem, unless it requires surgery

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6481398/#:~:text=Music%20therapy%20is%20potentially%20a,that%20can%20coexist%20with%20ADHD.

>Music therapy is potentially a highly effective treatment that could address the core symptoms of ADHD and of the multiple disorders that can coexist with ADHD.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:14:08 2023 No.15565514 >>15565509 You are a moron with an giant ego and a miniscule intellect.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 02:15:15 2023 No.15565515

>>15565509
Here's more about how fasting improves insulin resistance-another key feature of type 2 diabetics.

https://www.jeffersonhealth.org/your-health/living-well/intermittent-fasting-and-insulin-resistance-benefits-beyond-weight-loss#:~:text=Fasting%20for%20at%20least%2016,particularly%20diabetes%20and%20pre%2Ddiabetes.

Realizing that your entire medical career has been a fraud of causing harm for profits?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 04:39:15 2023 No.15565684 >>15565499 people do that intentionally as an insult, newfag

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 04:42:32 2023 No.15565689 >>15565491 yeah, the effects the pills have when I take them are pretty magical with how they help me

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 05:53:11 2023 No.15565794

>>15565684
They do it because they're too cowardly to actually face the person they're replying to. They want everyone to see their response but they don't want the original poster to be as easily notified so they're less likely to respond and defend themselves. They'll hide it in this cope of "not giving a (You)" as if that means anything whatsoever, it's just a way to disguise the cowardice of their behavior.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 05:58:07 2023 No.15565798 >>15565794 touch grass brother

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 06:34:32 2023 No.15565835 >>15565486 Meditation apparently can do a lot for people with ADHD. Everything else in this comment is utter bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 06:57:39 2023 No.15565852 Anyone who thinks they have ‘ADHD’ has zero critical thinking skills. I’m actually happy they self impose a limiting label. Dumb fucks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 06:59:40 2023 No.15565856 >>15565852 You notice a pattern of dysfunction and give it a name. How is that limiting you?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:09:24 2023 No.15565870

>>15565856
> notice a pattern of dysfunction

Dysfunction in comparison to what/who? Obviously humans have different behavioral patterns due to genetics/upbringing and determining whether they are desirable or undesirable is a completely subjective.

Who is the baseline? Who is this ultimate non ‘Neurodivergent’ person we all aim to be.

News flash everyone struggles with some level of the ‘symptoms’ ADHD people claim to have we just aren’t dumb enough to label ourselves.

Labels = limits

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:17:10 2023 No.15565877

>>15565870
>Who is this ultimate non ‘Neurodivergent’ person we all aim to be.
There's a guy who works above me and he is the most well adjusted normie i ever met. He's shredded, makes $250k, can talk to anyone and impress them. He is the only person i've met who sets out to do achieve something and just does it. It's like he wills it into existence. It also works when in crisis. He's the most level headed. I get distracted if get a fucking spam text. That's probably the ideal man. I'd be great if I was even 80% as powerful as him and it probably starts with my ability to complete work.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:30:27 2023 No.15565893

>>15565514
You are either 14 or extremely uneducated. Yes, if something is discovered in mice, it's worth writing about, but it's still a very long way to make any claims about humans from there. Most of the time nothing comes out of it. So suggesting dietary decisions based on something in mice is retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:36:53 2023 No.15565899 >>15565877 LMAO. I can’t believe you unironically wrote this. I am at a loss for words. You have bigger problems than “ADHD” my guy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:41:05 2023 No.15565903 >>15565899 >You have bigger problems than “ADHD” my guy. I know, but it starts with fixing the adhd or whatever nameless thing you want to use in it's place.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:48:18 2023 No.15565914

>>15565899
People with adhd inattentive can't titrate attention. They don't have a way to prioritize tasks, If one was playing video games and there was a fire outside, they wouldn't be able to switch to the fire priority fast enough. They would instead feel overwhelmed and either choose to do nothing or run away. Normal people can switch very easily, they can abandon one thing and focus on something else. That's the baseline, its funny that you retards can't imagine beyond being bored which is just the external appearance of the symptoms. As if doing nothing all day and being bored is a choice that most people choose and that its an easy choice. Try sticking yourself in a room alone at home and doing nothing all day and see how hard it is. If you retards bothered to read the neuro mechanism of action, threads like these would not be made.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:16:35 2023 No.15565967

>>15565914
> If one was playing video games and there was a fire outside, they wouldn't be able to switch to the fire priority fast enough. They would instead feel overwhelmed and either choose to do nothing or run away

Really fuckin stupid example but EVERYONE would be overwhelmed you dipshit. It’s called being frozen in fear and fight/flight response. NOT ADHD. Go find something else to feel sorry about yourself for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:20:40 2023 No.15565974 >>15562729 Lmao according to this pic everyone who isn't a thoughtless perfect machine has ADHD

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:26:05 2023 No.15565987

>>15565967
Of course they would. That's not the point you inbred retard. The point is contrasting playing video games and responding to emergencies. Yes its somewhat an extreme example but that's how it is with everything else in their lives. Every decision feels like an emergency that has to be immediately attended to like responding to a fire.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:47:21 2023 No.15566039

>>15565987
Every decision feels like an emergency that has to be immediately attended to like responding to a fire.

If they truly lack the ability to reason and estimate importance of outcomes of decisions then they are simply mentally retarded and should not be allowed in society. End of story. I would not put my trust in someone like this

Obviously its insane when you take a second to critically think about the implications of this psychology (pseudoscience) nonsense

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:51:40 2023 No.15566045 >>15566039 They don't lack the ability to reason, they struggle with responding. They can think well enough, even better than normal people sometimes. Their dopamine system is fucked and can't reward them well enough to respond normally.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:45:07 2023 No.15566113 >>15565514 No matter how lengthy the ad hom, it's still just screeching.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 10:42:18 2023 No.15566207 >>15563306 ikr?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 10:49:53 2023 No.15566217 >>15562729 Made up diseases, theres no such thing as ADHD u lowly human beings just wanna deceive yourself into these fake diseases for making up your uselesness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 14:56:29 2023 No.15566627 >>15564742 You will think I'm glownig but through what? Muh dark web?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 15:13:14 2023 No.15566652 >>15565852 I love how Americans fool themselves into thinking bottomless skepticism and believing whatever James Bond conspiracy they found on youtube is the same as being a critical thinker.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 15:15:08 2023 No.15566655 File: 3.19 MB, 1280x720, adhd.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15566627 >>15566217 >>15566207 >>15566113 >>15566045 >>15566039 >>15565987 >>15565974 >>15565914 >>15565903 >>15565899 >>15565893 >>15565877 >>15565870 >>15565856

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 15:16:09 2023 No.15566656 >>15562781 There is nothing troublesome about reading like this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 15:25:18 2023 No.15566665 >>15562781 its ok if its not the first time your reading it. but this is not a good habit i usually understand more by rereading it as a single block

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 15:28:35 2023 No.15566669 >>15566655 You're right Media designed to keep attention and hook you. Vs Boring 'math' video presenting maths in the wrong format

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 16:28:52 2023 No.15566742 >>15566669 >maths Opinion discarded.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 16:41:34 2023 No.15566758

the people who say ADHD isn't real are the same one's who've had their minds broken by drug abuse propaganda. they literally cannot conceive the idea that anyone could possibly be taking these medications to treat a real condition that greatly diminishes their quality of life if left untreated and not to get "high".
Even worse are the retards who want to fake having ADHD just so they can get stimulants to abuse.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 16:46:44 2023 No.15566763

>>15566655
Math requires work you retard. Star wars is entertainment. Its the same argument, nothing has changed. You might as well include a video that shows the distinction btn washing dishes and eating. Nobody likes washing dishes not even normies so this retarded video doesn't prove anything. If you want a real challenge for your low iq normie brain to understand, find the distinction btn going to work and studying and then tell me how difficult it is for a person to switch btn the two assuming a university student is working to pay his school fees. Which one is harder? And if you understood the distinction try to apply it to every decision that isn't entertainment. That shouldn't be very for a low iq normie who can follow instructions and switch btn different tasks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 16:49:44 2023 No.15566769 >>15566655 >adhd >sitting still during a movie lol, lmao the only time real adhd sufferers can sit perfectly still for an extended period is if they are restrained, medicated, or asleep.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 16:52:42 2023 No.15566775

>>15566655
What's the content of the math video? Is it too hard or too easy for the subject? It's easy to understand immediately what Star Wars is and how someone might relate to it, but there are way too many variables in what a "math video" is or how a given person might relate to it. If I was forced to watch some Sesame Street math video about how to do basic addition or some Masters-level math video about shit I have no context of understanding for I'd probably be bored as hell, too.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 16:58:15 2023 No.15566781

>>15566763
I have ADHD and there's zero chance I could sit still during a movie like that. I'd constantly be looking around the room, checking my phone, fidgeting, pausing to get up and walk around, etc. Sometimes it takes me like 5 hours to get through a 2 hour film.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:04:19 2023 No.15566788 >>15566781 What about your favourite film of all time, the first time you watched it (or the first time you were able to fully appreciate it, if that wasn't on first viewing)?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:27:21 2023 No.15566817

>>15566758
>Even worse are the retards who want to fake ADHD just so they can get stimulants
Why shouldn't we use performance enhancing drugs to improve intelligence? As far as I know all of the drugs we use to "treat" ADHD work just as well on healthy people. If you can use these to get just enough task salience to scrape through the school system despite your mental deficiency, just imagine what a well-performing natty could achieve on a carefully optimised dose in the right situation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:33:14 2023 No.15566829 >>15566817 Use them if you want, I don't care. But the reason they're ideally not prescribed willy-nilly to people who don't have an illness is because of high abuse potential.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:34:03 2023 No.15566830 >>15566045 There is that word “struggle”. What does struggle imply? Every person struggles ffs. Just that not everyone is dumb enough to look for a pseudoscientific excuse for it that is unnecessary and more detrimental that it is helpful

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:42:17 2023 No.15566840

>>15566817
>As far as I know all of the drugs we use to "treat" ADHD work just as well on healthy people
What you base that "knowledge" on? Abject ignorance and your own imagination? At therapeutic doses the effects are literally the opposite between normal and ADHD.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:51:31 2023 No.15566844 >>15566781 If I threatened you with a gun to focus on the movie. I guarantee you would. You don’t have a disease you just have shitty coping mechanism and lack of self discipline.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:52:50 2023 No.15566846 >>15566844 >Instead of using simple medication and therapy, we should threaten children with death Conservatism is a mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:57:33 2023 No.15566855 >>15566840 Taking Adderall for example all people use it to enhance studying capabilities. different reasons for the same effect is pseudoscience. And I use that term as intended. It is simply not a hard science

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:58:08 2023 No.15566857 File: 29 KB, 203x221, 1686756204508017.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15566846 That's your take away from his post?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 17:59:20 2023 No.15566861 >>15566857 The sole solution he offered was holding ADHD patients at gunpoint.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:00:03 2023 No.15566863

>>15566840
Haha to be honest I just had a quick look at the wiki pages for ritalin and Adderall, since those are the ones you hear about most, and they both say (with citation) that therapeutic doses are effective on healthy individuals. Is that information out of date or something?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:01:12 2023 No.15566865

>>15566846
Not even surprised the best you could do was to come to this conclusion.

The point is that it is in the capability of one owns mind given a high desire to do so to avoid the coping mechanisms associated with the term ADHD. Therefore it is not a disease but a behavioral pattern just like eating too much food when you feel sad

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:02:55 2023 No.15566868 >>15566865 >given a high desire Which isn't achievable naturally. That's why you had to use such a laughably extreme hypothetical.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:04:46 2023 No.15566873

>>15566830
Yea everyone struggles the same way in the same fashion. If you were going to give a retarded answer you might as well not have replied. I'm sure the suffering of a schizophrenic is equal to the suffering of a normal man who is bullied by his boss.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:05:09 2023 No.15566875 >>15566855 >different reasons for the same effect is pseudoscience This is nonsense, btw. Many drugs can be used for multiple purposes. For example, aspirin both relieves pain, and acts as a blood thinner.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:12:42 2023 No.15566892

>>15566875
The guy is a low iq retard who thinks that everybody's suffering is equivalent in some sort of way and if you are different then you are either lying or its scientists coming up with pseudoscience. He is too well adjusted to the normie world to see any different.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:13:52 2023 No.15566893 >>15566892 >He is too well adjusted to the normie world to see any different. I don't even think it's that. I guarantee these people's real lives are extremely sad, and that most of what they say in here is reflective of a deep self-hatred.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:14:04 2023 No.15566894

>>15566868
I’m sure ADHD have high desires whether it be watching anime or playing video games. The inability to desire is ridiculous.

You just need intelligence to form and reason about positive desires. Which I don’t expect from kids but I do from adults.

That’s why kids are most often diagnosed. The desire to do well in school can vary greatly from kid to kid based on the consequences imposed by their parent but for the most part it is very low. The only thing they desire is fun and entertainment.

If you are an Adult and haven’t cultivated these skills then no amount of drugs will help you it will just make you content with your shitty mental state that you refuse to take responsibility for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:15:11 2023 No.15566897 >>15566875 Those are two effects with the same reason retard

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:15:52 2023 No.15566898

>>15566894
>I’m sure ADHD have high desires whether it be watching anime or playing video games.
No, many people with ADHD struggle to even engage with things they are interested in. We've already explained that to you in exceedingly clear terms, to which you responded "well if I held a gun to your head you'd watch anime lol!"
>If you are an Adult and haven’t cultivated these skills then no amount of drugs will help you
No, that isn't the case. Medication is extremely helpful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:16:53 2023 No.15566902 >>15566897 >Those are two effects with the same reason retard Can you describe the singular "reason" you are referring to?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:17:18 2023 No.15566903

>>15566868
Don't give up so easily. There might be a way to achieve that level of motivation without drugs or mental illness, and such a method is certainly worth looking for.
You may have a real problem that is not easy to solve, but just because you give it scientific sounding name and write a giant list of "symptoms" for it, does not mean that no internal solution is possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:18:09 2023 No.15566906 >>15566903 >Don't give up so easily. Who said anything about giving up? The reason I sought help in the first place was because I refused to give up.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:21:48 2023 No.15566914

>>15566861
It's an extreme example to prove a point, not a practical solution on its own. It's like that old gag:
>Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?
>Sure, I would do that.
>Would you sleep with me for one dollar?
>What? Hell no! Why would you ask me that?!
>We already established you'd sleep with me for a million dollars, now we're just negotiating.
The point is that you can get someone to sit still and focus without doping them up with drugs, and resigning yourself to drugs as the only solution just neuters your entire mindset so you never look for a different solution. Also interesting that your response wasn't, "No, if you did that I'd just end up being shot!" Deep down the example rings true and the only way you can reject it is by dishonestly taking it literally and arguing about the morality of pointing guns at people.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:22:43 2023 No.15566916

>>15566894
The only reason why kids get diagnose is because their lack of performance can't attributed to other factors compared to their peers. There is nothing wrong at home or at school. When you account for those factors which affect school performance then the child has a mental condition. When they struggle with basic concentration while everyone else is performing ok and has a history of performing ok according to parents and teachers then a psychiatrist has a go ahead to diagnose. The fact that you still think this is like an eating disorder demonstrates how stupid you are and how devoid of reason an adult who has gone through decades of schooling can still be.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:23:18 2023 No.15566917 >>15566914 >The point is that you can get someone to sit still and focus without doping them up with drugs How? Also, why are you so frightened of medication?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:24:18 2023 No.15566921

>>15562729
food allergies. i had undiagnosed celiacs disease all my life. father would beat me for not finishing dinner, never knew i was allergic and suffering all my life. fuck shitty abusive parents they are the reason so many of us have mental health issues. dont just food allergy test, stop all gluten, diary, eggs, and slowly reintroduce these foods, you will notice your mental health improving if you have an allergy. the allergy testing is not always accurate its best to do a removal diet.

also, eating the 100% ketogenic diet removes all inflammation, which also is the cause for my bipolar and mental health issues, on keto i am healthy, off keto the mood swings and fucked up thinking returns.

there are answers anons, you just have to be willing to try things you never thought before, it could be the very foods you eat every day causing you the issues.

good luck

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:28:49 2023 No.15566925

>>15566906
You said it's not achievable naturally. That is a very bold unsupported statement about the space of all possible mental states that are reachable from some initial conditions. What you should have said was YOU were unable to achieve it naturally. That is fine, but don't call off the search for everybody.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:30:26 2023 No.15566926 >>15566925 >You said it's not achievable naturally. Yes, it's not achievable naturally, and I still didn't give up. Are you struggling with that? Do I need to go slower?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:31:21 2023 No.15566928

>>15566916
The iq measurement will also tell you if a child is intelligent enough to be performing well at school vs a dunce who is only interested in sports and struggles with academics. Children who have high iq and struggle to perform in school vs their peers who have normal iq and can perform is also another important diagnostic criteria. But no, lets listen to retarded low iq normies who know better than decades of scientific research on this subject. Its all eating disorder and pseudoscience bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:33:35 2023 No.15566934 >>15566898 If you struggle to engage with what you are interested in then you are not as interested in it as you think you are or think you should be.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:35:50 2023 No.15566941

>>15566902
Taking aspirin. It has two effects that do not selectively apply to humans which is what you think ADHD does.

But I know you will say something like people react differently to caffeine and alcohol. Yes but they keyword is “react” so do some deep thinking on that term

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:36:18 2023 No.15566942 >>15566926 No, I can see that blind faith is all the evidence you have. I'm not interested in arguing with religious zealots right now, so no further interaction will be necessary from you.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:37:30 2023 No.15566946

>>15566914
If that’s an example for a point, it’s an example for a mentally ill point. Also, it’s not like that gag at all. Threatening to murder someone to make them suppress their ADHD symptoms is not without side effects. You owe us an example your style of parenting that doesn’t cause PTSD.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:38:52 2023 No.15566950 >>15566934 >what is depression?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:39:18 2023 No.15566953 >>15566941 >It has two effects that do not selectively apply to humans Of course it does. Aspirin may relieve pain for one person, and not another person. How did you not know that?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:40:30 2023 No.15566955

>>15566917
>How?
Well, for one thing we could stop making 6-10 year olds sit still in classrooms for 4 hours at a time in the first place. I think that does a lot of damage to a young mind that holds consequences for adult life.
Another thing would be to stop forcing everyone to want the same things. We've created a world where there are some people who want to go outside and work with their hands and engage in physical activity but those people are told that's bad and low-class and they have to desire intellectual pursuits instead.
Beyond that, teaching discipline and helping the person pinpoint their specific struggles so they can address them in a personal way.

>Also, why are you so frightened of medication?
Because it's a nuclear solution to problems that often don't need it and the effects of dependency and how people are often unable to come off those medications later even if they want to can be absolutely devastating.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:43:03 2023 No.15566962

>>15566946
It's exactly like that gag.
>If I put a gun to your head, would you sit still and watch the movie?
>Well, yes, obviously! I don't want to die!
>If I just asked you nicely, would you sit still and watch the movie?
>What? No, I have ADHD. Why would you even think that?
>We already established that you'd sit still if your life depended on it, now we're just negotiating.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:48:09 2023 No.15566970

>>15566934
>If you struggle to engage with what you are interested in then you are not as interested in it as you think you are or think you should be.
You're so close to getting it. Just a little further.
>>15566942
>No, I can see that blind faith is all the evidence you have.
No, actually. The overwhelming majority of the published literature supports my position. All you have are your personal hunches and feelings about what ADHD people "ought" to do.
>religious zealots
There's nothing religious about the scientific method. Is it perfect? No, but it's better than any alternative you've offered.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:55:21 2023 No.15566984

>>15566962
No. Exactly not like in the gag!
>If I put a gun to your head, would you sit still and watch the movie?
>Well, yes, obviously! I don't want to die! However, I’d most certainly develop PTSD, crippling anxiety and might secretly plan to kill you in your sleep if you keep doing this to me
>If I just asked you nicely, would you sit still and watch the movie?
>What? No, I have ADHD. Why would you even think that?
>I see, so both scenarios do not provide a positive outcome, so there’s no way to tell if there’s room for negotiation between the two extremes.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:57:31 2023 No.15566990
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>>15566955
>Well, for one thing we could stop making 6-10 year olds sit still in classrooms for 4 hours at a time in the first place.
But most children do fine in classrooms for 4 hours at a time.
>I think that does a lot of damage to a young mind
Despite you believing that, it generally doesn't.
>that holds consequences for adult life.
Yes, school and education are incredibly important for your adult life. This thread is a good example of why education is so important, and how the American schooling systems are failing to prepare students with a basic understanding of the world. We can start by having higher qualifications for public teachers, and by paying them more.
>We've created a world where there are some people who want to go outside and work with their hands and engage in physical activity but those people are told that's bad and low-class
I'm not sure that this is the case. In my high school there was a program specifically designed to prepare students who were interested in going into trades.
>Because it's a nuclear solution
Just because you use fear mongering words like "nuclear" doesn't mean there's actually any reason to be frightened of them. Clinical outcomes are good, and safety profiles are high.
> and how people are often unable to come off those medications later even if they want to can be absolutely devastating.
Just because you read about someone who had a hard time discontinuing them on the internet doesn't mean they are statistically significant. And if a medication is effective, and safe, why would one even need to discontinue taking them?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:59:52 2023 No.15566996

>>15566934
I wish we could have a thread debating this statement from the beginning rather than having to strip away all the psychiatric bullshit every time. But I digress.

If we assume this is true, then what are all the treatment drugs actually doing? Are they changing what you're actually interested in? If that's the case where does the direction of change come from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:03:51 2023 No.15567001 >>15566863 Therapeutic doses are much more physically stimulating on normies - it makes them hyper. I've witnessed this firsthand when someone else took a dose of my medication.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:05:25 2023 No.15567005 >>15566863 >therapeutic doses are effective on healthy individuals That means they have an effect, not what kind of effect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:06:26 2023 No.15567006 >>15566955 >dependency and how people are often unable to come off those medications This is not the case with therapeutic doses of psychostimulants. You're just making shit up now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:11:12 2023 No.15567015 Everytime someone tells me they have ADHD I play it up and start telling them how sorry I feel for them and how I pity them for having such a bad mental disorder. It’s hilarious how quick they start to down play it themselves

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:13:42 2023 No.15567019

>>15567015
>Everytime someone tells me they have ADHD I play it up and start telling them how sorry I feel for them and how I pity them for having such a bad mental disorder.
If someone did that to me I would just call them out on being a smarmy faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:15:01 2023 No.15567024 >>15567019 > tell someone they have a mental disorder > pity them > they call you a faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:15:52 2023 No.15567025 >>15567024 You forgot to include "be a smarmy faggot" in your greentext.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:16:18 2023 No.15567026
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>>15562729
Your whole iceberg is a product of poor breathing and poor dopamine regulation, dopamine is the molecule of motivation, breathing problems create too many problems.

The simple advice, learn diaphragmatic breathing video below, after diaphragmatic breathing, breathe as deep as you can and hold your breath as long as you can maximum 1 to 2 minutes if you can't at first for more than 10 seconds, it's ok, breathe as deep as you can and then take one more breath if you can, if you can't it's ok, practice this throughout the day 3 to 5 times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgTL5G1ibIo

Your diaphragm is very weak and underused, force your breathing to maximum strength, your diaphragm to function better, expand your lungs, hold your breath with your lungs full of air, holding your breath improves your resistance to CO2 which reduces anxiety, improves athletic conditioning and sleep capacity, as Buteyko's work indicates.

Another thing is mouth breathing, children who are mouth breathers are much more frequently diagnosed with ADHD, if you are mouth breathing when you sleep, is that you have a dry mouth when you wake up, dry lips, wake up very thirsty or bad breath, this indicates that you are mouth breathing when you sleep, you can use the exercise called mewing to correct this or a mouth tape when you sleep.

Diaphragmatic breathing improves dopamine release and here are some podcasts about dopamine and ADHD.
https://www.edharrold.com/post/how-are-you-getting-your-dopamine-hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSwQSb-Cb7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmOF0crdyRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFL6qRIJZ_Y

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:16:50 2023 No.15567028

>>15566970
The scientific method can't tell you that it's impossible to fix ADHD without drugs. We would need to know far more about brain function to even begin to support a statement like that. I know you're very impressed by a shitty little FMRI study that says this and that area is being activated, but I'm afraid that is a very long way from really understanding what's going on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:17:12 2023 No.15567030 >>15567026 why are there so many pixie dust salesmen in this thread?

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:17:31 2023 No.15567031
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>>15566984
You're a midwit faggot who doesn't understand hypotheticals.

>>15566990
>But most children do fine in classrooms for 4 hours at a time.
Only after extensive conditioning. Essentially, pic related. The modern school system just buck breaks kids into cognitive submission. Those kids who break the most easily are then labeled the most sane.

>I'm not sure that this is the case. In my high school there was a program specifically designed to prepare students who were interested in going into trades.
Mine had those kinds of programs, too. People mostly regarded them as failsafes for under-performing students. If you can't hack it in school for a real job that pays real money, you can fall back on a trade. I don't agree with it, but that's definitely been the prevailing mentality in my experience and I don't even live in a coastal city or anything.

>Just because you use fear mongering words like "nuclear" doesn't mean there's actually any reason to be frightened of them. Clinical outcomes are good, and safety profiles are high.
>Just because you read about someone who had a hard time discontinuing them on the internet doesn't mean they are statistically significant. And if a medication is effective, and safe, why would one even need to discontinue taking them?
So you're just going to put your fingers in your ears and ignore the laundry list of side effects associated with these literal mind-altering drugs? It's no different from just handing out blood pressure meds to anyone with elevated blood pressure instead of guiding them on ways to improve their lifestyle. The modern "drugs first, therapy after" approach to psychiatry is ridiculous and brushes aside the very real dangers associated with even the "safest" of these drugs.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:18:44 2023 No.15567032

>>15567031
>>15566990
>We can start by having higher qualifications for public teachers, and by paying them more.
This whole point is a tangent, but I wanted to highlight this part of it because the real problem is that the requirements for most teachers are TOO HIGH. The reason elementary and high school teachers are underpaid is that they're forced to get Masters degrees to teach students 3-4 levels below that in the first place. They rack up all kinds of unnecessary debt and burn up all their free time doing excessive schooling that they don't need to do their job well, leaving them severely overworked and underpaid in a way that wouldn't be the case if we didn't have such high educational requirements at such low levels of teaching.
There are plenty of other problems with the design of schooling fails kids, but I've never known the problem to be under-qualified teachers.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:19:37 2023 No.15567034

>>15567028
>The scientific method can't tell you that it's impossible to fix ADHD without drugs.
You're right, that's unfalsifiable. Just like how we don't know that it's impossible to fix cancer without drugs.

What science does tell is that the most effective treatments we're aware of involve medication, and that if you don't think medication is good enough, it's up to you to demonstrate anything better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:19:37 2023 No.15567033 >>15567026 >poor breathing turns you into a jew kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:21:05 2023 No.15567039 >>15567031 No, you’re a fucking boomer who thinks that everything is fine when jimmy finally sits still, whether this is due to being focussed and interested, or due to being scared shitless. I hope you never rape a woman and have kids with her.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:22:20 2023 No.15567044 File: 519 KB, 812x763, 637a1aea3ebd5e3dba36b64edbb4b15f46ad76160e0d76603c0eb7e3489fd0d7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567033 Yes, narrow maxillar, means narrow jaw, long face and hook nose.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:23:52 2023 No.15567048

>>15567031
>picrel
Your fucking gunpoint parenting, hyperbolical or not, is exactly what causes this. It doesn’t fix anyone, but it makes neurodivergent people mask their neurodivergence. Don’t you see this? Threatening children into behaving the way you want them to does nothing but harm.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:24:54 2023 No.15567051 >>15567039 That hypothetical scenario does not mean I literally endorse holding kids at gunpoint or even corporal punishment in general. You're just a sensitive faggot who can't engage with a hypothetical.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:25:17 2023 No.15567053 File: 481 KB, 836x816, Jew Faces.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567033 Very narrow maxillar from two jews. Jews are the mouth breathing race. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/fashion/weddings/amanda-coleman-jason-schreier.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:25:31 2023 No.15567054 >>15567051 What do you endorse then? What even was your fucking point?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:25:46 2023 No.15567055 >>15567034 There are objective tests for cancer, which can be used to determine its presence without having to observe a single symptom. In other words, it's a real disease and not a "disorder". This comparison only reveals your stupidity

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:27:29 2023 No.15567060

>>15567048
Anon, I'm literally proposing that school should not force kids to sit still and focus for hours at a time and that all the kids who are able to sit still and focus for hours at a time are unnaturally mind-broken by a horrible abusive system. Read the quote in the image a few more times until you actually understand it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:28:22 2023 No.15567062 >>15567060 If you’re not the gunpoint anon, excuse the mixup.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:29:05 2023 No.15567065 >>15567054 The point is that there are ways to address problems like ADHD without medication and the fact that our society can only function when ADHD people are medicated is a sign that it's fucking broken and wrong.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:29:39 2023 No.15567068

>>15567031
>Only after extensive conditioning
No, they tend to do fine right away. Not sure why you're citing YA novelists as if they have any meaningful insight to offer on human psychology. Huxley wasn't an authority on anything other than dime-store philosophy.
>Mine had those kinds of programs, too. People mostly regarded them as failsafes for under-performing students. If you can't hack it in school for a real job that pays real money, you can fall back on a trade.
Yeah, because under-performing students are generally the ones that get involved in trades. That's why they tend to get paid less, too. They offer less value to society. Are you suggesting we redistribute wealth to people who don't offer their fair share of value? I wasn't expecting to find a communist here.
>So you're just going to put your fingers in your ears and ignore the laundry list of side effects associated with these literal mind-altering drugs?
The side effects are generally mild and lessen as the patient adjusts to the medication. Very rarely are they any cause for concern.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:30:48 2023 No.15567072
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>>15567030
High stress forces shallow breathing which brings many problems, childhood trauma can create a condition almost equal to ADHD, poor posture is a product of poor breathing using the superficial muscles, shallow breathing produces anxiety, the classic nerd neck is a product of poor breathing and a receding jaw.

Breathing is free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYD0Q4oMYXw

https://www.hpmcentre.com.au/the-little-known-secret-relationship-between-breathing-and-neck-pain

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:32:21 2023 No.15567078

>>15567055
>There are objective tests for cancer, which can be used to determine its presence without having to observe a single symptom.
This is often not the case, actually. Plenty of cancers can exist in a patient for extremely long periods of time without being detectable by any test. Early detection is actually a major hurdle in the field that we need to improve upon.
>This comparison only reveals your stupidity
No, it just reveals how little you know about how science and medicine is conducted.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:33:24 2023 No.15567081 >>15567065 Your hypothetical solution creates more problems than it fixes though. This point goes to Takeda, as much as I despise the pharmaceutical industry.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:39:10 2023 No.15567089

>>15567065
>The point is that there are ways to address problems like ADHD without medication and the fact that our society can only function when ADHD people are medicated is a sign that it's fucking broken and wrong.
Our society could function without people with ADHD being medicated, but we would notice a decrease in productivity, and an increase in poverty and suffering. See Russia, where all ADHD medication is illegal, if you want to know what that looks like.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:42:41 2023 No.15567095

>>15567078
>Plenty of cancers can exist in a patient for extremely long periods of time without being detectable by any test.
And how do we know they were ever there, genius? Because they were detectable eventually. Maybe some day someone will find the virus or parasite or cancer or whatever it is inside your brain that causes ADHD, but until then you don't get to make assumptions about whether it can be fixed cognitively or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:43:53 2023 No.15567096 >>15567095 >until then you don't get to make assumptions about whether it can be fixed cognitively or not. We don't need to make assumptions. There already exist treatments with extraordinarily high clinical efficacy. Happy to help you out with that.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:46:44 2023 No.15567099
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>>15567068
>No, they tend to do fine right away.
If you ignore how they're prepped for schooling at home by their parents, and pre-school, and kindergarten, and how that all forces kids to quickly adapt into the classroom mindset and behavior patterns expected of them once they reach first grade and have to sit still and focus for hours at a time. The fact that most kids adapt into this structure does not mean they should be in it in the first place. Again, it's just defining the most easily broken people as sane and defining natural behavior in people who aren't as easily broken as mental illness.

>Not sure why you're citing YA novelists as if they have any meaningful insight to offer on human psychology.
Because the point being made is relevant and apparent if you actually look out at the world critically. It doesn't matter who says something if it's true.

>Yeah, because under-performing students are generally the ones that get involved in trades.
That's a perfectly self-fulfilling prophecy, though. No one ever looks at a kid and says, "You're real good at math and science, you'd make an excellent electrician." Kids are taught to look down on trades as a failure condition, so then naturally only the kids who fail end up in trades.

>That's why they tend to get paid less, too. They offer less value to society.
Neither of these points are even true (though "less" is highly context-sensitive). Tradespeople make good money and offer lots of value to society, and the fact that people think they don't just illustrates my exact point: People who are unable to focus on classroom work but can focus on physical work are labeled ADHD and "fixed" with medication so they don't fall to the lowly trades.

>The side effects are generally mild and lessen as the patient adjusts to the medication. Very rarely are they any cause for concern.
So, yes, I was right. See pic related from https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/ritalin-effects#Serious-side-effects

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:49:04 2023 No.15567103 >>15567096 >we already made drugs that fix the problem, so why even bother researching further?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:53:20 2023 No.15567108 >>15567103 Yeah, all the neuroscientists retired the day adderall was invented. You've got a solid grasp on how the world works.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:26:01 2023 No.15567160 File: 87 KB, 1080x1163, 1689367649906704.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15562729 Here, I removed everything that was repeated from your chart so you can see how retarded and shallow it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:27:11 2023 No.15567162 File: 41 KB, 645x773, 098734098234.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Here, I removed everything that was repeated from your chart so you can see how retarded and shallow it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:29:30 2023 No.15567167 File: 83 KB, 660x743, Giga_Chad[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Here, I removed everything that was repeated from your chart so you can see how retarded and shallow it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:43:16 2023 No.15567188 >>15567162 >>15567167 >Both to cowardly to actually reply to each other. I am the anon who made the image and I am embarrassed that my edit has caused you to do such stupid things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:44:30 2023 No.15567191 >>15567188 >to cowardly too*

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:46:13 2023 No.15567192 >>15567188 I left out the post number to more accurately mirror the post I was lampooning with my gigachad image.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:54:01 2023 No.15567210 >>15567192 >justifying how you shitpost on 4channel Why, yes, I am also very insecure. I added the post number to make the context of my comment clear.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:58:02 2023 No.15567221 >>15567160 as well as several things you've just decided you don't like, it would seem, dumbfuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:03:11 2023 No.15567240 >>15567221 >Attention-cels seething that not all their problems are due to their mysterious causes-everything disease.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:04:39 2023 No.15567243 File: 54 KB, 1280x720, iu[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567210 >Why, yes, I am also very insecure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:08:23 2023 No.15567252 >>15567240 >4chan dipshit knows more about how a disorder expresses itself than any of the people who actually physically study the disorder next you're going to try and shill your snake oil solution for a monthly fee of only $96.99 worth of vitamins

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:12:33 2023 No.15567261 File: 338 KB, 551x553, Screenshot 2023-07-09 152307.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567252 Lmao holy shit you are so mad

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:43:32 2023 No.15567320 Do one thing at a time. Don't read while imagining your chores. Don't listen to an audiobook while walking or driving. Don't read 4chan posts while eating. One thing at a time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:46:36 2023 No.15567331 >>15563358 You're right. "Just pussy out" is the correct answer. Take the meds. Do as you're told. Sit still for 8 hours daily. Obey.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:51:34 2023 No.15567340 >>15563862 A child doesn't want to sit still and quiet, indoors all day while being lectured about shit they don't care about? Must be ADHD! Get that kid on meds, stat!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 22:40:49 2023 No.15567474 >>15567331 >noooooooo you can't just use medication it makes me upset!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:33:41 2023 No.15567562 >>15565689 Psychiatrists and the pharmaceutical industry call them 'miracles'. Quite literally cult language.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:34:42 2023 No.15567565 >>15565835 >Everything else in this comment is utter bullshit. >Diet doesn't affect cognition Why don't you consume manure?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:36:38 2023 No.15567566 >>15565893 Fasting has proven benefits on insulin tolerance, moreover, there is little reason to suspect that such a finding in mice wouldn't confer to humans, since everything involved actually works the same between the two.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:39:20 2023 No.15567569 >>15567474 Take the meds. Become the pharmaceutical industry's junkie. We're just trying to warn you from people who have a history making billions on selling poison.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:42:03 2023 No.15567570

>>15567034
>What science does tell is that the most effective treatments we're aware of involve medication

Lmao.

'science' doesn't say that. Pharmaceutical companies with interests say that.

'science' cannot say anything, it isn't a person, it doesn't have a tongue. Fuck you people are stupid.

You use 'science' as your faith. You're no different than a medieval peasant saying

"The Lord Tells us disease is caused by witchcraft!"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:43:21 2023 No.15567572 >>15567570 When people say "science", they are referring to the scientific method, and the consensus among people who employ it. Happy to help you with these basic inferences.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:44:35 2023 No.15567574 >>15567569 >I'm a special snowflake free thinker, my favorite youtubers said so!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:48:55 2023 No.15567575 >>15567574 >I blindly trust what profit-motivated people tell me to do with my body. >Questioning an industry with a sordid history of selling poison as medicine is for lunatics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:50:00 2023 No.15567576 File: 424 KB, 1176x1280, Happening.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567572 >When people say "science", they are Attempting to make an appeal to authority. Happy to help you with your introspection. Have fun with your vaxxaids.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:51:47 2023 No.15567580
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I guess my solace is that every retard that blindly repeats the corporate narrative in support of drugging everyone for everything is going to suffer miserably for their idiocy and their support of evil.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:53:59 2023 No.15567582 >>15567576 >>15567580 >i'll just move the goalposts to covid since i'm getting btfo on adhd great job, champ

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:55:50 2023 No.15567585
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>>15567576
>>15567580
>nooooooooo you can't just trust the people and institutions that dedicate their lives to understanding a field of study
>you instead need to trust random youtubers and pundits who just happen to affirm my specific worldview!
>they're the ones who *really* know what's going on

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:56:23 2023 No.15567587 >>15567582 He's not getting BTFO on ADHD because neither of you have said anything. The two of you argue like >Yeah-uh >Nuh-uh Repeated ad-infinitum at each other.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:57:40 2023 No.15567592
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>>15567572
>When people say "science", they are referring to the scientific method
lol, no they're not. They're referring to mass media talking points.

The fact that you say
> and the consensus among people who employ it.
Proves this guy >>15567576 was right. You're just making appeals to authority from ignorance. The mass media doesn't determine consensus among scientists, no matter how much funding they get from sponsors namely big pharma.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 23:58:42 2023 No.15567594 File: 74 KB, 700x693, 1684270556995.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567585 Neither of those guys linked YT, big pharma shill. Go worship your dancing nurses while you get injections that maim and kill people.

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:01:22 2023 No.15567597
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>>15567585
>I blindly trust strangers that work under a profit motive.

Sad.

>>15567582
"TRUST THE EXPERTS TRUST THE SCIENCE! YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH THE CON$EN$U$!!!"

You don't post links or data. You just repeat 'safe and effective' like the little lemming you'll go to your grave as.

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:02:16 2023 No.15567600

>>15567592
Oh boy random schizo news clippings showing out of context quotes from someone whose understanding of science ended in the 50s. I'm owned!!
>>15567594
>Neither of those guys linked YT, big pharma shill.
I didn't say they did. Work on that reading comprehension, little fella.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:03:03 2023 No.15567602 >>15567594 Love his argument >My faceless 'experts' are better than your random pundits

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:03:17 2023 No.15567603 >>15567597 Why the fuck would anyone believe you over an expert? Why should anyone trust that you even remotely have a coherent grasp on any of this data?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:04:29 2023 No.15567606 File: 8 KB, 493x402, 1677919662512.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567600 >>15567602 Look at you chimping out. You have nothing of value to say.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:04:37 2023 No.15567607 >>15562729 Try to find an activity that puts you into flow state like get good at competitive poker or something. also smoking and exercise tends to help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:04:40 2023 No.15567608 I'm curious how much you shills are paid? I can tell you're shills, since your only style of rhetoric is inflammatory and condescending and it's very clear your orders are to never engage with actual data or scientific arguments.

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:06:55 2023 No.15567613

>>15567603
>Why the fuck would anyone believe you over an expert?

Maybe because I'm not directly financially tied to you taking these drugs?

Maybe it's because I can post actual data, real arguments, that don't depend on who I am?

Maybe because those 'experts' have a long history of telling lies for profits. Like the food pyramid. Like thimiserol, the list is fucking endless.

>Why should anyone trust that you even remotely have a coherent grasp on any of this data?

Why should anyone trust your faceless 'experts' that you appeal to, but do not quote, cite, or have any evidence of existing beyond outside your mind?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:07:02 2023 No.15567614 >>15567608 >big pharma bad!!! >medication bad!!! >obey!!! obey!!! Stunning scientific arguments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:08:01 2023 No.15567617 File: 428 KB, 990x798, spyrage.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567606 This shill is having a bad day at work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:09:02 2023 No.15567620 >>15567614 Projecting hard there. >Big pharma good >medication good >obey obey I'm telling you to question authority. You're saying trust authority and ignore all the times the authority has been demonstrably evil.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:10:03 2023 No.15567622 >>15567576 WHERE the fuck did covid come from in this conversation? Are you just starting a new argument to hide getting BTFO?

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:11:08 2023 No.15567626

>>15567613
>Maybe because I'm not directly financially tied to you taking these drugs?
Neither is Larry Crackhead down the street. What does that have to do with anything?
>Maybe it's because I can post actual data,
You haven't posted any actual data yet. You've posted /pol/ images. Even if you did post data, I have zero reason to trust your ability to interpret it. You have zero credentials.
>Maybe because those 'experts' have a long history of telling lies for profits.
They have a much longer and broader history of empirically saving and improving people's lives. What medical advancements have you given us besides pixie dust studies that barely show efficacy in mice?

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:13:28 2023 No.15567634

>>15567620
>I'm telling you to question authority.
I do question authority. I also question random fucktards on 4chan who believe in literal James Bond conspiracies while pretending they're critical thinkers. These aren't mutually exclusive states of existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:37:44 2023 No.15567694 >>15567622 >Just trust the experts fool >WTF, WHERE DID COVID COME FROM IN THIS CONVERSATION?

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:42:33 2023 No.15567705
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>>15567626
Notice the shill tactics.

Clearly trying to downplay obvious things.

> What does that have to do with anything?

If you weren't brain damaged you would see it's because the people you're defending ARE financially tied to people taking the pills. It's obvious, but you must try to condescend to it for your paycheck.

> Even if you did post data, I have zero reason to trust your ability to interpret it. You have zero credentials.

Appeal to authority, and again, completely denying the ability of readers to interpret data. It's not for you to trust my interpretation, it's for you to interpret yourself, which you adamantly insist people not do.

>They have a much longer and broader history of empirically saving and improving people's lives

No, they don't. Doctors literally spread the bubonic plague for profit.

All of this is just rhetoric that matches:
>The peasants must not interpret the scriptures, only the priests are allowed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:43:34 2023 No.15567707 >>15567634 >I do question authority. When? What doubts do you have about authority after repeatedly making appeals to authority?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:44:14 2023 No.15567708 >>15567705 >reddit spacing both between lines and in quote text Terminal case of needtogobackitis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:45:22 2023 No.15567711 >>15567707 He means, "I questioned authority so I looked up online what the authorities had to say and they told me it was wrong to question them so I stopped and you should, too."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:48:32 2023 No.15567719 >>15567694 rightfully, where in this conversation about ADHD does covid even remotely come into play? You would NEVER argue in bad faith, would you?

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 00:52:22 2023 No.15567723

>>15567719
>where in this conversation about ADHD does covid even remotely come into play?

The discussion about 'trusting the $cientific consensus' and about how accountable the pharmaceutical industry is for causing demonstrable harm.

It's obvious to non-shills.

>You would NEVER argue in bad faith, would you?

More projection from someone being paid to defend big pharma's profit margins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 02:15:00 2023 No.15567830 >>15564253 anon from India here amphetamines are illagal but Methamphetamine is legal. Currently raw dogging anxiety and ADHD with no meds,

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