/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.15407668]

monster rocket edition
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[Anonymous No.15407672]

[Anonymous No.15407674]

>>15407668
I sneezed edition

[Anonymous No.15407676]

>Falcon heavy and /sfg/ staging at the same time
Just according to keikaku

[Anonymous No.15407678]

Fully expendable FH is a super heavy lift rocket

[Anonymous No.15407679]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-723S8QEf_0

[Anonymous No.15407681]

>>15407676
When a rocket launches and a thread is staged, it is balance in the universe
- Lao Tsu

[Anonymous No.15407682]

She's resting.

[Anonymous No.15407683]

About 20 minutes to the second burn

[Anonymous No.15407685]

>>15407678
I'm surprised that viasat actually bought a fully expendable one... They couldn't find a way to reduce their payload weight down to save the 50 or so millions extra a fully expendable version costs

[Anonymous No.15407686]

[Anonymous No.15407688]

Do they activate the FTS on those dropped boosters or what?

[Anonymous No.15407689]

>>15407668
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

[Anonymous No.15407690]

>>15407682
stage 2 rocket girl wen

[Anonymous No.15407692]

Shoutout to viasat for not being gay and making SX cut the broadcast after fairing sep

[Anonymous No.15407693]

>>15407618
I'm not hearing it, when?

[Anonymous No.15407694]

FIVE FUCKING SUPER HEAVY LAUNCH VEHICLES LAUNCHED THESE PAST 6 MONTHS AHHHHHHHHHHH!

God bless america

[Anonymous No.15407695]

KINO LAUNCH

[Anonymous No.15407697]

>>15407685
I’m pretty sure viasat is the upper echelon of sat launchers who can afford to do whatever they want

[Anonymous No.15407699]

From Lake County

[Anonymous No.15407700]

>>15407679
Did you find the rocket fart funny? https://youtu.be/zdoZuHQVILE?t=1136

[Anonymous No.15407701]

>>15407682
Moon makes an appearance once again

[Anonymous No.15407702]

>>15407699
fwoosh
>>15407694
And I’m proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m freeee

[Anonymous No.15407703]

[Anonymous No.15407704]

>>15407685
Perhaps they were targeting an old space rocket way back when they started on design work, then as those were bought up and they looked into the pricing expendable heavy was the best deal without the massive delays that would be needed to make the satellite lighter, ect.

[Anonymous No.15407705]

>>15407669
I read somewhere that it takes CASC about a month to build a Long March 4C. It's a much lower performing rocket, but production in numbers is really just a matter of getting your factory optimized and lining up enough payloads to make the numbers necessary.

[Anonymous No.15407707]

This song playing right now is what they should've started with when they went to music, the first one was awful, eerie and unfitting imo

[Anonymous No.15407708]

>>15407692
that's only for military payloads, and also there are other customers for this flight

[Anonymous No.15407709]

>>15407704
I checked earlier, and it falls just under the direct GEO capacity of DIVH, so possibly.

[Anonymous No.15407711]

>>15407708
I’m pretty sure some private customers have requested that before, if I’m not mistaken

[Anonymous No.15407712]

>>15407700
Very cute AND funny.
Thanks for reminding me that I should make a webm of that.

[Anonymous No.15407714]

>spacex launches are now just music videos for indie space tunes
lmao

[Anonymous No.15407715]

>>15407702
>And I’m proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m freeee
Unironically you guys will be the first to publish foss liquid and solid engine designs because the first amendment covers that. Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.15407718]

>>15407688
No, they called out booster FTS safe on the stream.

[Anonymous No.15407719]

[Anonymous No.15407720]

Now I wonder if they ever released a time lapse of the unfolding for James Webb. I believe they had the engineering cameras to troubleshoot everything, and they hyped up the unfolding but I never saw footage of it.

[Anonymous No.15407721]

[Anonymous No.15407722]

>>15407694
Is that a record? Even counting shuttle orbiters as 90 tons of payload I don't think we ever got a ten launch year.

[Anonymous No.15407723]

>>15407721
BECO/sep felt like it took forever

[Anonymous No.15407733]

I despise this genre of music so much

[Anonymous No.15407736]

>>15407733
You need to have more sex to spacetunes.

[Anonymous No.15407738]

holy shit is that frank hassle?

[Anonymous No.15407741]

>>15407736
spacetunes are fine but I hate ones like this with speech samples thrown in its lame, not good music

[Anonymous No.15407742]

Let 'er rip

[Anonymous No.15407744]

>>15407685
Viasat-3 were a trio of satellites intended to launch on Ariane 6 back in 2016 direct to GSO. When it was obvious Ariane 6 would be vaporware, they started looking for replacements and signed with FH in 2018. It likely would've cost them more to redesign for a GTO launch.

[Anonymous No.15407745]

Moon again

[Anonymous No.15407746]

Rate his neck

[Anonymous No.15407747]

>guy was about to explain GEO
>distracted by comms
>forgets about it entirely

lmao

[Anonymous No.15407748]

>>15407712
>Very cute AND funny
this ain't /b/, go back scum

[Anonymous No.15407749]

>>15407712
Here you go, go and add 4chan sounds player to your tampermonkey to get sound

[Anonymous No.15407752]

>>15407707
yeah a couple nice new tracks in the space tunes!

[Anonymous No.15407753]

>>15407720
No lmao, it had no engineering cameras.
But we could see the solar painel deploy.

[Anonymous No.15407754]

>china wont be putting their starship clone into production until the 2040's

Spacex literally has no competition

[Anonymous No.15407756]

>>15407748
there is nothing wrong with loli, anon

[Anonymous No.15407757]

>>15407749
just post it to >>>/wsg/

[Anonymous No.15407760]

Boosters 1052 and 1053 were the oldest Falcon 9s still in service (Arabsat-6A, 2019)

:(

[Anonymous No.15407761]

They said earlier that viasat's satellite was an all electric one. What does that even mean? Aren't satellites all electric anyways?

[Anonymous No.15407762]

>>15407754
God I love this company

[Anonymous No.15407763]

Oh neat, they're going to stream live all the way to GEO. Get fucked, ULA.

[Anonymous No.15407764]

>>15407591
>2050
>no starship crewed mars landing thread

[Anonymous No.15407765]

>>>/wsg/5072216
Startlink Group 3-5 fart

>>>/wsg/5072217
O3b mPOWER 3 & 4 Mission Clear voicechanger fails at countdown

>>15407749
ty but I still like sound webms so I can play them on my computer

[Anonymous No.15407766]

35,000 kilometers of altitude gain to go

[Anonymous No.15407768]

>>15407763
Fucking based honestly, 5 hour stream, can't wait for the views of Earth from GEO with hopefully the moon in the background too

[Anonymous No.15407769]

>>15407762
what would uncle braun have thought?

[Anonymous No.15407771]

>>15407746
He’s just bulking bro, imagine the cut

[Anonymous No.15407772]

>>15407763
They're gonna need a lot of music

[Anonymous No.15407773]

was it just me, or did I see a weird spray of something coming off the rim of the engine bell PERPENDICULARLY from the thrust during the second burn? I can't think what could have caused that.

[Anonymous No.15407774]

>>15407760
o7

[Anonymous No.15407775]

>>15407760
A noble end in a blaze of glory

[Anonymous No.15407776]

>>15407773
you can see it in this thumbnail, in fact
>>15407742

[Anonymous No.15407777]

SpaceX should just randomly do a KSP UI one day

[Anonymous No.15407778]

>>15407773
>>15407742
frozen LOX falling towards the nozzle and vaporizing

[Anonymous No.15407779]

>>15407777
based quads I honestly can't wait to see them update their UI for interplanetary flight starting with HLS Demo 1

[Anonymous No.15407780]

God look at that trajectory, fucking beautiful
>>15407777
I doubt take2 would allow

[Anonymous No.15407782]

>>15407778
but that is always just a single frozen clump, falling in the direction of flight. This looked to be spraying at a tangent to the rim of the bell

[Anonymous No.15407784]

t h i s i s l a u n c h c o n t r o l

[Anonymous No.15407786]

i miss starman

[Anonymous No.15407788]

What caused so many Raptor engines to fail on the Superheavy launch?

I thought Musk used up half the methane in the world making sure the Raptor was flawless.

[Anonymous No.15407789]

>>15407721

UFO at 0:56

[Anonymous No.15407790]

>>15407769
"Why the fuck did they build the shuttle?"

[Anonymous No.15407793]

How does SpaceX does it

[Anonymous No.15407795]

>>15407780
The DART launch stream was neat like that, watching it hit escape trajectory over Argentina and Antarctica led to a bunch of Hitler flying saucer shitposts.

[Anonymous No.15407797]

>>15407790
ok but what would he think of the falcons and starship?

[Anonymous No.15407801]

>>15407797
The aforementioned, verbatim.

[Anonymous No.15407803]

just end the stream already

[Anonymous No.15407805]

>>15407801
Falcon? Starship? Good stuff

[Anonymous No.15407808]

>>15407805
I just noticed he had them cut out the fucking ceiling to make space for his models
What a lad

[Anonymous No.15407810]

>>15407805
>Hello janitor? My roof could use a bigger hole.

[Anonymous No.15407812]

>>15407808
Engineers tend to be autistic about scale and once you start in one scale, you don't switch mid ways.

[Anonymous No.15407813]

>>15407805
Falcon 9 has already surpassed the goal launch cadence of the shuttle (1 shuttle per week was the goal I think).

Personally, I’d think Von Braun would wonder why SpaceX doesn’t use 3-4 Falcon Heavies to land men on the moon ASAP.

[Anonymous No.15407814]

>>15407805
>it came down where?
>not my department.

[Anonymous No.15407816]

>>15407808
he could have just got a lower cabinet lmao

[Anonymous No.15407820]

>>15407805
I never noticed the V-2 model

[Anonymous No.15407828]

>>15407820
The first rocket to ever ready space. My beloved

[Anonymous No.15407832]

>>15407805
>Rockets fit for the computer age. I would very much like to meet this Mr. Musk..

[Anonymous No.15407840]

https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1652815580406386688

what the fuck lmao

[Anonymous No.15407846]

>>15407840
Boeing did this.

[Anonymous No.15407848]

>>15407840
For some reason Boeing just immediately popped into my thoughts as I read this.

[Anonymous No.15407850]

>>15407846
>>15407848
Well, I suspect they were in on it at the very least. Oldspace Cartel had real power.

[Anonymous No.15407856]

>>15407840
Kek. The real conspiracy is that it is boeing! who is currently trying to sabotage US space interests

[Anonymous No.15407860]

>>15407840
>yes hello Mr. Musk, it is me, Obama. Yes, the plan to destroy NASA is currently on-track. I’m adding Garver to the call as we speak

[Anonymous No.15407865]

>>15407840
Schizos were right, once again.

[Anonymous No.15407866]

>The current estimate for the Orion MPCV return capability is 100 kg of samples
Is this really the maximum mass of moonrocks Orion can return to Earth from NRHO?

[Anonymous No.15407868]

>>15407840
You can bet Biden admin is targeting Elon with FBI/FTC/FAA/FCC/FDA/OGA personally as well.

[Anonymous No.15407869]

>>15407866
how much was Apollo CM?

[Anonymous No.15407879]

>Unfortunately it is taking far longer to eliminate NASA than I had initially expected. We still have one last card to play......
>Give the second CCiCap slot to Boeing.

[Anonymous No.15407882]

>>15407879
KEK

[Anonymous No.15407889]

>>15407879
Thanks, Obama.

[Anonymous No.15407890]

>>15407865
>>15407860
>>15407840
Who would try to shit on both Obama and Elon? Lmao.

[Anonymous No.15407892]

Based Obama was /ourguy/ all along

[Anonymous No.15407894]

>>15407860
>>15407879
Kek

[Anonymous No.15407897]

>>15407892
Obama pushing commercial spaceflight was a good thing in the same way Reagan shilling the shuttle was fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.15407903]

>>15407890
You should read Lori's book, it exposes a lot of people like this in NASA.

[Anonymous No.15407913]

>>15407669
so about 15 or so /sfg/s or roughly 12,000 posts is all the time it takes for Musk's team to be ready to launch the next one. stunning efficiency

[Anonymous No.15407921]

>>15407890
Peter Worden apparently, head of ARC. He still works at NASA. How the fuck can you accuse the fucking president of being some sort of double agent and keep your job IN THE GOVERNMENT. That's insane.

[Anonymous No.15407922]

>>15407869
All Apollo missions combined returned 382 kg

[Anonymous No.15407926]

>>15407890
Back then, the enemy was Shelby, the legacy space companies, NASA admin, and the former astronauts.

[Anonymous No.15407931]

>>15407760
Any one have the link to the cool website that has every SpaceX booster and its missions in aesthetic timeline?

[Anonymous No.15407936]

>>15407913
>12,000 shitposts-per-rocket
>$25m internal launch cost
>spacex builds $2,000 of rocket per shitpost

[Anonymous No.15407943]

>>15407921
>Trump Russia hoax
These days you apparently get promoted.

[Anonymous No.15407945]

>>15407866
>In presentations by NASA officials at the annual meeting of the Lunar Exploration and Analysis Group (LEAG) this week, eagle-eyed attendees spotted a small footnote on one particular slide that hinted Orion was not equipped to bring back the moon-rock payload NASA has asked for; “Orion does not have specific storage to match the HLS [Human Landing System] sample return volume. Sample return mass to Earth via Orion might require mission-by-mission decisions on storage within Orion and possible considerations for different sample return container/bag design.”
>In a separate presentation at LEAG, Chavers said of the issue; “Getting there quickly with technology we currently have, in 2024, was very challenging. We had no margin on the return mass.
>“We haven’t conceded that it’s zero back on Orion yet, we just don’t know what the capability will be,” he added
https://room.eu.com/news/can-artemis-deliver-the-payload-it-seeks-from-the-moon
'zero back on Orion' wtf

[Anonymous No.15407946]

>>15407913
>using /sfg/ as a unit of time
That's.. interesting.

[Anonymous No.15407948]

>>15407936
I'm doing my part!

[Anonymous No.15407951]

>>15407945
Holy fuck hahahhahahah
At least NASA can order TPS Starships that can probably return samples eventually

[Anonymous No.15407958]

>>>/wsg/5072285

FH

[Anonymous No.15407959]

>>15407840
>There is no conspiracy!1!1.gif
Well, what now skeptic sisters? What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.15407966]

>>15407945
>Q: why not use Starship to return payload back
>A: ummm but if we do that, then whats the use of Orion?

kek

[Anonymous No.15407968]

>>15407866
You're saying that they can ONLY fit 100kg in this thing?
>Send depot to LEO, fill it up
>send it to the lunar orbit
>Dock with Starship HLS
>Return to earth
Problem, NASA?

[Anonymous No.15407971]

>>15407749
Kys

[Anonymous No.15407973]

>>15407945
Personally, I blame the Europeans. Orion was never going to be a great spacecraft but it could have been a lot better if it wasn't shackled to that shitty ATV-descended service module.

[Anonymous No.15407978]

>>15407945
>“Orion does not have specific storage to match the HLS [Human Landing System] sample return volume.
LMAO Musk should just return a Starship completely full of only lunar samples, tons and tons of it. A shame that he's a NASA cock sucker, otherwise he'd do it just to flex

[Anonymous No.15407979]

>>15407943
Who in the government was saying that that kept their job?
>inb4 some Senator/Congressman/News Pundit
The president can't fire those people.

[Anonymous No.15407982]

https://twitter.com/derekiswise/status/1652837021453303808

FH is ~100 dB loud, at its peak, ~3 mile from launch

[Anonymous No.15407983]

[Anonymous No.15407985]

>>15407983
Cool

[Anonymous No.15407986]

>>15407945
Oh my god. Just kill the Artemis program already. Jesus Christ. Start over. Nothing has launched yet. There is still time.

[Anonymous No.15407987]

>>15407749
I appreciate the soundpost. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.15407991]

>>15407986
>Nothing has launched yet
Excuse me?

[Anonymous No.15407992]

>>15407986
Not a bad idea in all honesty. Kind of pathetic that it’s still in the “could technically start over from scratch and be fine” stage still lmao

[Anonymous No.15407995]

>>15407991
Yes, nothing has launched yet.

[Anonymous No.15408000]

>>15407991
Nothing

[Anonymous No.15408004]

>>15408000
>NASA actually planned to launch people using an SRB first stage

[Anonymous No.15408008]

>>15407879
Know when to hold em, Boing.

[Anonymous No.15408010]

>>15407945
Another issue, he said, is how much volume and mass will be available on the Orion spacecraft for samples that would return to Earth with the astronauts. Even if the lander has the ability to carry 100 kilograms of samples, he suggested that there might not be room for them in Orion.

Some attendees seized on a footnote in one chart Chavers presented that stated the Orion capsule “does not have specific storage” for samples. “Sample return mass to Earth via Orion might require mission-by-mission decisions on storage within Orion and possible considerations for different sample return container/bag design,” it stated.

“We haven’t conceded that it’s zero back on Orion yet, we just don’t know what the capability will be,” he said. However, he also said there may be the need to study alternative mechanisms for getting samples back, such as a robotic sample return vehicle delivered to the moon on a CLPS lander.

That did not go over well with some. “It’s getting very complicated,” said Clive Neal, a lunar scientist at the University of Notre Dame, during a discussion that followed Chavers’ presentation.

Chavers said studies of sample return options are ongoing, including meetings at the Johnson Space Center next week on what Orion will be able to accommodate. “The message is: this is just the starting point. It’s not the end.”

The threshold amount of 26 kilograms of samples is only slightly more than the 22 kilograms returned by Apollo 11 during a single two-hour moonwalk. Apollo 17 returned about 110 kilograms collected during three lunar excursions.

“I’m expecting it to evolve,” Neal said later of the sample return capabilities of Artemis. However, he said it emphases the need to train astronauts “to bring the top quality ones back.”
https://spacenews.com/artemis-missions-face-sample-return-crunch/
This is from 2019, what's the current estimate?

[Anonymous No.15408012]

>>15408004
What’s the problem? They already did it before it’s called the space shuttle

[Anonymous No.15408015]

>>15407978
I wonder if things could have been better in the long term if SeX had not been awarded with HLS. They could just go "hey, were going to practice landing Starship out of Earth using the moon, also we are going to use the opportunity to scoop some regolith and bring it back."

[Anonymous No.15408016]

>>15408010
Look, all I’m saying is that you just have to expend ONE astronaut to get some hefty mass gains for return samples. This option shouldn’t be overlooked

[Anonymous No.15408017]

>>15408000
checked

[Anonymous No.15408018]

SpaceX still live and showing views of Earth
https://youtu.be/YFbp6PVbJQA

[Anonymous No.15408019]

>>15408004
It's an idea that had been around for a while. At least they moved on from using an RS-25 as a second stage engine.

[Anonymous No.15408020]

>>15408016
Leave one astronaut on gateway for an extended time until they hitch a ride home on the next Orion to visit. This puts a ticking clock under Boeing to hurry up with the SLSs

[Anonymous No.15408022]

>>15408019
I have tried this in KSP. It does not end well.

[Anonymous No.15408028]

>non-reusable FH
What is the point of this? Wouldn't be cheaper an old space launcher for that matter?
What is SpaceX direct competition for GEO payloads of this size?

[Anonymous No.15408027]

>>15408018
Neato. deployment soon?

[Anonymous No.15408030]

>>15408028
Were the booster there being reused?

[Anonymous No.15408031]

>>15408027
Deployment is still over two hours away.

[Anonymous No.15408033]

>>15408018
23000km from earth and moving over 9000 km/h, yet I can watch live as the lab rats bang on their foil enclosure.

[Anonymous No.15408036]

>>15408028
>What is the point of this?
Get rid of boosters at end of life, early block 5, more costly to refurb than the current ones
>Wouldn't be cheaper an old space launcher for that matter?
Hell no, assuming they can even get one big enough
>What is SpaceX direct competition for GEO payloads of this size?
ULA, Ariane

[Anonymous No.15408038]

>>15408018
Does NOAA know about this?

[Anonymous No.15408039]

>>15408028
The full capacity of a Vulcan or Ariane 6 would be needed for this mission. ViaSat has already cancelled their bid on Ariane 6 because they're taking too long.

[Anonymous No.15408040]

>>15408028
>Wouldn't be cheaper an old space launcher for that matter?
If it were, one would have been used, anon.

[Anonymous No.15408042]

Kinda ironic considering all the whining and pissing Viasat was doing against SpaceX and Starlink. Are there any ongoing lawsuits?

[Anonymous No.15408043]

>>15408028
Launch time/cost/reliability/availability/payload capability/energy requirement

[Anonymous No.15408044]

>>15408018
Just a bright half disk lol

Past two song tracks have been good though

[Anonymous No.15408046]

>>15408033
I think thats the mylar reacting to the temperature flux or something

[Anonymous No.15408049]

>>15408038
NOAA's asleep quick livestream Earth!

[Anonymous No.15408051]

This is it? Starship has a bigger interior, why not just specialize onw HLS to serve as a permanent base?

[Anonymous No.15408053]

>>15408051
Equity for Boeing

[Anonymous No.15408055]

>>15408039
wtf is that yellow ball in your pic

[Anonymous No.15408056]

>>15408055
That's the big, disk shaped antenna that the ViaSat-3 satellites use for broadcasts.

[Anonymous No.15408059]

>>15408053

Boeing can choke to death on my salty cum

[Anonymous No.15408064]

>With an initial mass to low-Earth orbit (IMLEO) of 18,000 kg, the subsequent delivery of a 500-t asteroid to lunar orbit represents a mass amplification factor of about 28-to-1
>The transportation capability would be enabled by a ~40-kW solar electric propulsion system with a specific impulse of 3,000 s.
https://kiss.caltech.edu/final_reports/Asteroid_final_report.pdf

[Anonymous No.15408070]

>>15408051
I know why oldspace sucks, I don't need sperging about it, but they have such a cool aesthetic. It would be cool to watch a traditional moon landing at least once (the price tag wouldn't be cool however.)

[Anonymous No.15408079]

>>15408070
>cool to watch a traditional moon landing
vs
>an uncool Starship moon landing

[Anonymous No.15408081]

>>15408064
Why not go farther and bring it to LEO so we can mine it, build a giant ship out of it then fly to Tau Ceti?

[Anonymous No.15408084]

>>15408070
I know what you mean, past decade should have been oldspace aesthetic missions like pic rel before transfer to newspace & Starship etc..

So sad we never got that

[Anonymous No.15408085]

>>15408079
Never said Starship is uncool, you're putting words into me.
The appeal to me is like how people enjoy vintage things even if they are less efficient. The raw, mass saving autism of Apollo looks so fucking good.

[Anonymous No.15408086]

[Anonymous No.15408088]

>>15408085
Well at the best you get is Starship be just as cool, in which case, you're implying its not that cool to begin with. Unless you're suggesting Starship is cooler, but then that would mean legacy moonlander is uncool comparatively, but thats not what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.15408091]

>>15408088
are you autistic

[Anonymous No.15408092]

>>15408086
cool

[Anonymous No.15408094]

>>15408088
Starship will be cooler by how much it will enable, but it looks quite plain overall.

[Anonymous No.15408095]

>>15408094
>Starship will look plain
kek

[Anonymous No.15408096]

The song playing right now is so chill holy shit

[Anonymous No.15408097]

>>15407761
All ion thrusters with no hypergolics maybe?

[Anonymous No.15408098]

>>15408095
It's a child's drawing of a rocket. Compare it to a lander with spread legs, exposed fuel tanks, dishes sticking out of it and so on.

[Anonymous No.15408100]

>>15408098
SpaceX/Musk is a fraud, right?

[Anonymous No.15408101]

>>15408088
gtfo ESL, everyone else understood perfectly that the two are not mutually exclusive

[Anonymous No.15408103]

>>15408101
You're the low IQs that dont know how to use language properly. All languages are built on structural logic. You get one piece and you can pull a string of the entire rug

[Anonymous No.15408104]

>>15407987
NP, we need more soundposts in here. The sound of rockets is like half the fun

[Anonymous No.15408107]

>>15408051
>>15408098
If you're talking about this design btw its a reference design for Artemis base camp surface hab NASA wants

So might still happen

[Anonymous No.15408108]

>>15407840
>>15407865
https://space.nss.org/national-space-society-governor-simon-p-worden-biography/

AMES/Worden

[Anonymous No.15408109]

>>15407780
>fuck this gay earth

[Anonymous No.15408110]

Earther status?

[Anonymous No.15408112]

>>15408110
;)

[Anonymous No.15408117]

>>15408100
For Musk's sake, why are you retards so fucking autistic? I never said Starship won't work, I only said it looks silly compared to other rockets.

[Anonymous No.15408119]

on the border of the light and dark side of the moon, I assume it's not a harsh cut, but a soft transition. what is the distance of that transition?
also I'm guessing it's not completely fixed, how much variance is there in location over what period?
would there be any good reason at all to setup a moonbase at this dividing point to provide a sort of day/night cycle?

[Anonymous No.15408126]

>>15408117
>it looks plain, childlike, silly
Word associations meant to dismiss the rocket, a tactic used by those who would deride the rocket by means of emotional manipulation. Chuds

[Anonymous No.15408130]

>>15408119
It's going to be on the south pole, so it's either constant sunlight or permanent shadows.

[Anonymous No.15408132]

>>15408119
My man, how do you think the moon has phases? The light/dark sides of the moon are called that because one faces toward earth and the other faces away, not because one is permanently shadowed.

[Anonymous No.15408145]

>>15408132
earth gets between sun and moon and either fully occludes or partially occludes it, the rest of the time the 'light' side of the moon is facing the sun and as the earth orbits the sun, the moon orbits at a rate so that it never over orbits or under orbits and always ends up facing the sun with the same side

[Anonymous No.15408156]

>>15408022
Heh. I had a solid 1st stage sat launcher that worked really well. I think it cost about 8k funds or so for a small sat into low Kerbin orbit. As long as you're really strict about mass, the command modules have enough torque to do a gravity turn while the static fins provide juuuust enough drag to keep you pointed prograde.

[Anonymous No.15408157]

>>15408110
BASED
Now we know what tweets we can ignore

[Anonymous No.15408162]

>>15408145
Please be trolling.

[Anonymous No.15408163]

>>15408110
The ISS should get its own badge for that, as should Tianggong if the chinks ever admit what its IP address block is.

[Anonymous No.15408164]

>>15408145
>>15408119
kudos on the bait

[Anonymous No.15408173]

>>15408098
A child draws it that way because that's what a rocket actually looks like.
The oldspace style exposed bits and pieces resembling a virus was always a dead end that you like only because you've gotten used to it.

[Anonymous No.15408175]

>>15408173
The Saturn V doesn't look like either.
And I like those because they look nice, simple as that.

[Anonymous No.15408176]

>>15408173
This, oldfags are mindmushed from half a century of oldspace propaganda. The future is now, gramps

[Anonymous No.15408181]

>>15407978
I really want to see Starship return 10 tons from the surface and dump it all on NASA's doorstep just to fuck with them

[Anonymous No.15408183]

>>15408085
>The raw, mass saving autism of Apollo looks so fucking good.

It looks like tin foil and erector set. It's neat it was even possible with the absolute intellectual cream of the crop US engineers, especially in a 9 year timeframe, but thank god we never have to manage so much with so little again.

[Anonymous No.15408186]

>>15407840
>kang nigga trying to help Spacex
I have my doubts

[Anonymous No.15408187]

>>15408117

Don't stress the peanut gallery, I get you. The great men of old sailed the earth-moon system in aluminum cans, with calculators. No matter how advanced spacecraft become, it will only make their feat more remarkable, not less. Like sailing to Antarctica in wooden ships and starving in a wooden hut being the stuff of exploration legends even though now you can get espresso in your jammies on a US south pole base.

There are still wooden sailboat regatas. Maybe in the future there will be literal races to the Moon and back by billionaires in vessels restricted, by the rules, to 1960s materials/propulsion/computing. Probably they would set off from LEO however rather than all contestants launching on their own heavy lift rockets, lol.

[Anonymous No.15408189]

>>15408117
>hurr spaceship has to be covered in doodads and crap to be realistic
Stop with that oldspace crap
It's making your mind into mush

[Anonymous No.15408196]

>>15408189

Let an old man pine for the classics. Just because there's Teslas now doesn't mean Jay Leno is gonna empty out his garage of everything gas or steam powered. Old tech is neato.

[Anonymous No.15408202]

>>15408016
>expend ONE astronaut
why did you think they wanted to bring a woman and a nog.
It gives them two options

[Anonymous No.15408203]

>>15408181
I'm really curious to see what the actual market rate for lunar material ends up being per kilogram, in the early days.

[Anonymous No.15408205]

>>15408187
>Maybe in the future there will be literal races to the Moon and back by billionaires in vessels restricted, by the rules, to 1960s materials/propulsion/computing.
Lunar recreation and rural transport will consist of rocket chairs steered to orbit and sub-orbit trajectories by gut instinct. Lunar rednecks are going to be a wholly different breed.

[Anonymous No.15408206]

Can you really launch an SSTO with skates?

[Anonymous No.15408209]

>>15408205

Even moreso in large pressurized spaces. Even a child will be able to construct a working flying machine, in microgravity

[Anonymous No.15408210]

SES-3 soon lads

[Anonymous No.15408211]

All those ice rats... lost...

[Anonymous No.15408212]

Look at all that ice falling away

[Anonymous No.15408213]

Rats are out again.

[Anonymous No.15408214]

>>15408205

[Anonymous No.15408215]

and we're in GEO

[Anonymous No.15408217]

>>15408206
We're gonna find out.

[Anonymous No.15408218]

did the rocket just do a 180 and start the burn to slow the fuck down?

[Anonymous No.15408219]

>the couple of ice rats that got blasted out into the nothingness of space

its kino bros...

[Anonymous No.15408220]

>>15408218
It circularized. I wish they'd choose a different angle for the flight path view though.

[Anonymous No.15408221]

>>15408218
The whole point of geostationary orbit is to get zero velocity relative to the ground.

[Anonymous No.15408224]

Another channel I like, has now sufferer of EDS. The comments are also full of CCS folks

https://youtu.be/xfFhKqGrNYg

[Anonymous No.15408226]

>we don't get to see it unfold
BOOOO

[Anonymous No.15408227]

>"largest purely electric satellite"
Is that discussing solar-electric RCS or are they hinting at some giant fucking nukesats the US government lofted?

[Anonymous No.15408230]

what causes people to defend SLS?

[Anonymous No.15408231]

>>15408226
For real though.

[Anonymous No.15408234]

>>15408227
The solar-electric RCS. Nukesats and electric thrusters werent around at the same time; the power was used for SIGINT and radars, and once done the expended reactor cores were boosted into a higher orbit.

[Anonymous No.15408235]

What’s she thinking?

[Anonymous No.15408239]

>>15408235
>I’ve sucked bigger cocks in hollywood

[Anonymous No.15408240]

>>15408235
dude got a full diaper

[Anonymous No.15408242]

>>15408235
why the guy on the left has an ass that big?

[Anonymous No.15408243]

KINO

[Anonymous No.15408246]

>>15408230

Statist stockholm syndrome and sunk cost fallacy, over all the tax dollars taken from them to be wasted on the SLS boondoggle

[Anonymous No.15408250]

So who will be ready for the moon landing first SpaceX or NASA?

[Anonymous No.15408251]

>>15408242

Cushioning built into flight suits

[Anonymous No.15408255]

>>15408250
SpaceX. NASA doesn't have working surface suits.

[Anonymous No.15408258]

>>15408230
Old status quo
Far left (anti-SpaceX/Elon)
Congress (JOBS PROGRAM)
Buerocrats (REGULATIONS)

[Anonymous No.15408272]

NASA's own billboards have Spacex suits on them

[Anonymous No.15408280]

>>15408230
Midwits who think starship looks silly and unrealistic. They've internalized designs like pic related as being what a spaceship "really" looks like - all sorts of mismatched modules sticking all over the place, assembled in orbit over many months.
They fail to understand that such designs are pure fiction and existed only on paper.

[Anonymous No.15408282]

>>15408255
I wonder if NASA will get desperate and ask SpaceX for help with their xEMU derived suits should the orbital suit SpaceX is manufacturing prove successful.

[Anonymous No.15408287]

>>15408280
nice pic

[Anonymous No.15408289]

>>15408282
SpaceX would just tell them xEMU is inherently flawed and suitports should only be used for powered hardsuits.

[Anonymous No.15408291]

>>15408287
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.15408292]

>>15408280
Very interesting picture.

[Anonymous No.15408300]

>>15408287
>>15408292
I know right, look how oldspace and lame it is

[Anonymous No.15408303]

>>15408300

Still feasible, but now with bigger/fewer modules

[Anonymous No.15408326]

>FH stream just ended and /sfg/ is back to shitflinging already
If the dopamine high wears off by 6 launches, dear god, imagine how bored everyone will be with the unmatched cadence of Starship.

[Anonymous No.15408342]

>>15408326

That's a good thing. Rockets should not be the point of it, like how airliners aren't the point of air travel. The point is the destination and what we're going to build there.

[Anonymous No.15408347]

>>15408326
Someday Starship launches will become absolutely boring and nothing will fill the hole in our souls

[Anonymous No.15408356]

>>15408347

I'm sure relentlessly fucking the oiled up H-cup titties of JAV starlets all day in fulldive VR will make up for that. During hydration breaks we can watch irl streams from the giant lunar colony and early Mars outpost.

[Anonymous No.15408362]

>>15407805
NASA in the '50s had more skill and ingenuity than spacex ever will.

[Anonymous No.15408363]

>>15408300
>Every single of those modules needs a docking ring that can hold pressure and it's of set of umbilicals
Dios mio....
So many unnecessary points of failure and so much excess complexity.
Why did we ever think space stations made from tiny segments were a good idea?

[Anonymous No.15408367]

>>15408363
>Why did we ever think space stations made from tiny segments were a good idea?

There wasn't an alternative. But yeah ISS is basically falling apart now. The future is still modular ships/stations, but bigger and fewer modules: >>15408303

Eventually when we have mines, smelting plants, factories and shipyards on the Moon we'll be able to build very large ships all in one piece and launch them from the lunar surface using relatively little fuel.

[Anonymous No.15408368]

>>15408363
It was 2011, they were limited to Atlas V upmass/volume.

[Anonymous No.15408371]

>>15408356
porn gets boring after a while
same thing applies to everything
I say this from experience

[Anonymous No.15408372]

>>15408367
>ISS is basically falling apart now
How bad is it really?

[Anonymous No.15408373]

>>15408372
well theres the cum cupboard

[Anonymous No.15408375]

>>15407797
Starship? Nein. The inferior product of a mongrel nation.

[Anonymous No.15408378]

>>15408371

In real life we are limited only to possible experiences. There is an infinite number of impossible experiences.

[Anonymous No.15408381]

>>15408356
>Born to early to work on aeroponics in an orbital habitat
Fuck, literally my dream job.

[Anonymous No.15408383]

>>15408381

That's the lunar surface. But yeah new big chungus modules are gonna make LEO habitats much less cramped and shitty soon too: >>15408303

[Anonymous No.15408384]

>>15408356
>manlets on the moon

[Anonymous No.15408387]

>>15408384

Anybody born on the Moon would have fucked up health. Weak muscles, brittle bones, inner ear/balance issues. Anyone from Earth would be like an unstoppable doomslayer, able to physically demolish crowds of dozens or hundreds of moon people in hand to hand combat.

[Anonymous No.15408391]

Being from earth is going to turn into a threat at some point
>we've got an earther on our team

[Anonymous No.15408392]

>>15408383
I know

Orbital habitat > Earth >>>> Shit > Lunar surface
What's the point of going to space if you are just going to burrow into another rock just to survive?

[Anonymous No.15408393]

>>15408372
Every day I pray to god that the station deorbits the second I say amen
Will continue until this happens

[Anonymous No.15408395]

>>15407749
Do musktards actually think putting hundreds of satellites to LEO every month is worthwhile?

[Anonymous No.15408397]

>>15408393
>let this kino station die

[Anonymous No.15408398]

>>15408392

To have the best of both worlds. Big open sky and Earthlike surroundings, but gravity only where you want it to be.

[Anonymous No.15408402]

>>15408398
I know cylinders get your penis hard but what are your thoughts on Ringworlds?

[Anonymous No.15408403]

>>15408402

Kinda irrelevant since they are an order of magnitude more massive and require imaginary materials. O'Neill cylinders are something humanity might actually build within this century.

[Anonymous No.15408408]

>>15408384
>lanklets anywhere off-Earth
lol, lmao.

[Anonymous No.15408410]

>>15408408

See >>15408387

Any Earther of any fitness level would absolutely wreck hundreds of moonlets before getting tired

[Anonymous No.15408415]

>>15408403
>O'Neill cylinders are something humanity might actually build within this century.
we'll be lucky if we don't fall into a EROEI dark age permanently.

[Anonymous No.15408416]

>>15408410
It's not a competition. It makes no sense to design spacecraft or habitats around lanklets or accommodate their increased food/water consumption when you can just send someone normal sized instead. Everyone who goes to the Moon/Mars in our lifetime will be a "manlet" by 4chan standards

[Anonymous No.15408421]

>>15408403
Nothing ever happens, anon.
At most we will get small ground bases on the Moon and Mars and some orbital stations on Earth.

[Anonymous No.15408423]

>>15408421

Honestly that would be sufficient to satisfy me after NASA wasted 50 years putzing around in LEO

[Anonymous No.15408429]

>>15407668
I have been away for almost 3 days. Has anything noteworthy happened?

[Anonymous No.15408431]

>>15407840
A government agency like FAA moving slowly on purpose doesn't sound so crazy anymore does it

[Anonymous No.15408432]

>>15408423
Me too, anon, me too

[Anonymous No.15408433]

>>15407973
ESA is absolute shit but Orion was always supposed to have dinky service module
ESM is the only part that's not >300% over-budget and delayed by several years

[Anonymous No.15408437]

>>15408429
ViaSat-3 Americas finally launched.

[Anonymous No.15408438]

>>15408363
>Why did we ever think space stations made from tiny segments were a good idea?
Partly practicality based on lifting up little modules using shitty 20th century rockets.
But also inherited bias. It looks more "realistic" if it's made up of little bits and pieces. Extra points for inflatables.

[Anonymous No.15408443]

>>15408230
Mostly just personal dislike of Elon I reckon.
That said, Starship is insanely ambitious and still unproven. SLS may be shit but it is proven to work at least. I have faith in SpaceX but there is still a very real chance that Starship as a whole never succeeds or at least misses it's cost goals like shuttle.

[Anonymous No.15408445]

>>15408224
I really like that tool that lets you see which boards on Reddit has most shared users, not because I ever go to reddit but seeing reposts of results was funny. I wish to see the same for YouTube channels, like who has most shared audience with this channel

[Anonymous No.15408453]

>>15408187
you are talking about some gay side hobby instead of advancing spaceflight
sailing to the Americas from Europe with a shitty wooden boat would be idiotic now, impressive sure I guess but why
With this new technology we should strive to achieve new greater things that are not possible with the old tech, romanticizing about 50 year old technology is cringe

[Anonymous No.15408458]

>>15408443
>misses it's cost goals
maybe
>like shuttle.
not possible to be that wasteful without a money printer

[Anonymous No.15408460]

>>15408230
Some of them work for NASA, SLS getting axed would mean they lose their jobs

[Anonymous No.15408461]

>>15408453
>sailing to the Americas from Europe with a shitty wooden boat would be idiotic now, impressive sure I guess but why

ESL mutts will never understand the faustian spirit

[Anonymous No.15408464]

>>15408461
>oldspace modular expendable shitbox
>FAVSTVN SPVRVT

[Anonymous No.15408466]

>>15408300
A more elegant spaceship, for a more civilized age. More refined than the bulk crudeness of Starship, and demanding more skill to pilot.

[Anonymous No.15408468]

>>15408461
don't confuse your homosexual hobbies for advancing spacelfight
that is like dragging yourself on all fours across india
impressive I guess, but still extremely retarded

[Anonymous No.15408470]

>>15408230
Its been to the moon.

[Anonymous No.15408482]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1652849795336159233

[Anonymous No.15408483]

>>15408482
I refuse to watch this. I could never stand any kind of 'talk show'.

[Anonymous No.15408484]

>>15408483
it was pretty good actually

[Anonymous No.15408485]

>>15408484
No it wasn't, it was just shitting on woke shit, and a tiny bit of AI.

[Anonymous No.15408486]

>>15408483
Elons talks gets better the more fleshed out his ideas are. This intervierw is more fleshed out.

[Anonymous No.15408489]

>>15408356
>fulldive VR
>oiled up H-cup titties

[Anonymous No.15408491]

Most launchpads are built near sea level but is it possible to save any significant delta v by launching rocket from high elevation?

[Anonymous No.15408492]

>>15408489
thank you popsci anon, right yet again. neither of these things exist.

[Anonymous No.15408495]

>>15408491
ask virgin orbit.

[Anonymous No.15408496]

>>15408485
yeah pretty good, not the same old spiel
not much if any spaceflight if I remember correctly though

[Anonymous No.15408497]

>>15408491
not significant

[Anonymous No.15408499]

https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1652921851595702272

https://planetocracy.substack.com/p/mass-value-report-for-april-2023

[Anonymous No.15408502]

>>15408491
Yes, it's a small fuel save but as you know a small fuel save is am exponential fuel save

[Anonymous No.15408507]

>>15408502
>make rocket a few percent bigger
>build a launch site on top of a fucking mountain

[Anonymous No.15408510]

>>15408507
Scott made a video about this at some point

[Anonymous No.15408511]

>>15408507
Every inch counts.

[Anonymous No.15408513]

>>15408511
the thing that matters is ultimately cost to orbit
the amortization of building some road + pad on top of a mountain just doesn't make sense
plus there are other factors that would make operating a mountain launch pad more expensive,

[Anonymous No.15408522]

>>15408513
It's useful for NTP SSTO spaceplanes so you can more effectively irradiate all the plebs living at lower altitude.

[Anonymous No.15408533]

they're building a second mega bay at starbase? does anyone have a diagram of it / how starbase will look after it's finished?
https://twitter.com/VickiCocks15/status/1652796987832500231

[Anonymous No.15408540]

>>15408533
Look at those anti-suicide nets. Elon must really be driving them hard.

[Anonymous No.15408548]

>>15408272
lol, lmao, even

[Anonymous No.15408549]

>>15408272
Top kek

[Anonymous No.15408550]

>>15408272
why? the apollo ones make more sense. are nasa astronauts going to be tethered to the starship or something?

[Anonymous No.15408552]

>>15408550
Apollo suits look old and shitty to normies. SpaceX suits look cool.

[Anonymous No.15408565]

>>15408230
>talking kangaroo
>its german
WTF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0qnfjMDmc

[Anonymous No.15408571]

>>15408540
What, you mean the latticework on the outside of the bays? That's just a structural diaphragm that helps prevent racking. Normally a floor system does this, but since the bays don't have those, they needed an alternative support system. There's no netting between the beams either, so if someone jumped out, it'd be an uninterrupted trip to the ground - unless they hit the beam, of course.

[Anonymous No.15408580]

>>15408571
We love our autists don't we folks

[Anonymous No.15408581]

>>15408571
>just a structural diaphragm that helps prevent racking
>no netting between the beams

[Anonymous No.15408584]

>>15407840
It's great that we still have the SLS and the African plot to decolonize US space program didn't fully succeed.

[Anonymous No.15408600]

>>15407840
Where can I pirate this?
I want to read it but I'm not wasting my monet on something that seems like sensationalist shit.

[Anonymous No.15408601]

>Investors still have no confidence in Eutelsat+Oneweb.
>The value of the Eutelsat share is falling and falling and falling, since the merger was announced.
as much as oneweb a shit, i hope they can survive because we need competition

[Anonymous No.15408618]

>>15408230
Starship.

It's the only thing people have strong opinions about.

[Anonymous No.15408620]

>>15408601
>because we need competition
no we don't
competition just sucks money away from our weyland-yutani spacex future

[Anonymous No.15408630]

>>15408601
Competition through suing to delay Starlink?

[Anonymous No.15408635]

>>15408601
do not talk about competition, it makes our resident muskrats shit their pants

[Anonymous No.15408640]

>>15408635
>>15408630
>>15408620
The only competition I know about is between your mom and your dad to see whose face I dump my load onto

[Anonymous No.15408651]

>>15408601
That setup doesn't look very weather-proof.

[Anonymous No.15408654]

>>15408620
>weyland-yutani spacex future
god i wish

[Anonymous No.15408668]

>>15408654
Weyland-Yutani was primarily in the terraforming business after all.

[Anonymous No.15408672]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jaGhfeNqPM

> SpaceX Starbase Orbital Launch Mount Clean Up and Repair 4K Starship Super Heavy Boca Chica Beach

[Anonymous No.15408677]

>>15408668
didn't weyland-yutani do basically everything?
just a massive megacorp

[Anonymous No.15408678]

>>15408403
You’re coping. We are multiple centuries away from the manufacturing technologies it would take to build something of that scale in space

[Anonymous No.15408683]

>>15408672
I guess these slabs were the ones that could be seen in the videos getting just barely above the sand cloud during launch

[Anonymous No.15408684]

>>15408620
>weyland-yutani future
That's not a good thing

[Anonymous No.15408686]

>>15408678
what do you mean centuries away? we can already weld in space and get steel to orbit
what other technologies do you need?

[Anonymous No.15408689]

>>15407668
Chem student with close to 0 math knowledge here, I've been thinking about writing some hard SF recently.
What textbooks should I read to get an undergrad level understanding of orbital mechanics and rocket engineering?

[Anonymous No.15408691]

>>15408689
Grab a chat bot AI and have it be your professor/expert assistant.

[Anonymous No.15408692]

>>15408672
It's fine. Mexico will bounce right back up.

[Anonymous No.15408693]

>>15408684
it is if you aren't a commie

[Anonymous No.15408696]

>>15408689
Start by playing KSP. Gives you an instinctual understanding of orbital mechanics. Will make any material easier to digest, no matter how poorly written.

[Anonymous No.15408699]

>watching colbert interview with artemis crew
>"why are we going to the moon"
>"so we can prepare to go to mars!"
why are they like this? the moon is valuable too.

[Anonymous No.15408700]

https://twitter.com/C_S_Skeptic/status/1652852521524940800

[Anonymous No.15408706]

>>15408699
Hold on though, there is a logical string here to follow
>Why go to mars though?
>So we can go throw ourselves at the sun
See?

[Anonymous No.15408708]

>>15408019
kek I read that as 4ASS TEAM

[Anonymous No.15408709]

>>15408700
I'm caching a lot of non sequiturs for sure.

[Anonymous No.15408710]

>>15407682
>she

[Anonymous No.15408713]

SpaceX should just bite the bullet and buy BE-4 engines for Starship

[Anonymous No.15408719]

>>15408700
I don't understand why we keep enabling this schizo by sharing his shit

[Anonymous No.15408730]

>>15408700
sounds like an ESL

[Anonymous No.15408735]

>>15408686
>just weld millions of tons of steel together in orbit
Science fiction general here

[Anonymous No.15408737]

>>15408689
Browse through Atomic Rockets http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/index.php

Or alternatively, Lurk Moar™

[Anonymous No.15408739]

ITS OVER

[Anonymous No.15408743]

>>15408735
if you can weld, you can make a welding robot and scale it
what fundamental problem is there?
think orbital is going to test building a sphere with welding at some point in the future

[Anonymous No.15408746]

>>15408739
Damn it would be kino to watch an orbital bombardment from LEO.

[Anonymous No.15408753]

>>15408700
well /sfg/ was pretty delusional about this as well, anons were saying only 1 billion was spent on the Starship program so far

[Anonymous No.15408762]

>>15408700
I guess we'll have to launch a thousand times.

[Anonymous No.15408769]

>>15408753
That's honestly an excellent ballpark estimate from a bunch of four channel users.
$2B is what Musk estimates to spend on it this year, as manufacturing is scaling up and full stacks are getting blown up in flight tests.

[Anonymous No.15408770]

>>15408719
>enabling
he has tens of thousands of devout followers

[Anonymous No.15408772]

>>15408769
>That's honestly an excellent ballpark estimate from a bunch of four channel users.
massive underestimate

[Anonymous No.15408773]

>>15408240
He had the decency to not get alzheimer before leaving office. Shame common decency like that is gone.

[Anonymous No.15408774]

>>15408770
And that's your excuse for making the problem bigger?

[Anonymous No.15408775]

>>15408700
meanwhile sls: $4 billion per launch, no development occuring

[Anonymous No.15408777]

>>15408772
It's in the correct order of magnitude. Good enough.

[Anonymous No.15408780]

>>15408777
checked

[Anonymous No.15408781]

>>15408769
Shouldn't costs start to plateau? Starbase is basically finished and all the money is just being put to shitting out Starships. The big setup costs are done.

[Anonymous No.15408784]

what happened to the sideboosters during the flight?

[Anonymous No.15408790]

>>15408781
Repairs and modifications costs money.

[Anonymous No.15408791]

SpaceX Flickr still has no photos of the SS launch

[Anonymous No.15408793]

>>15408781
Not yet.
Prototyping Starship is one thing, and that's not even done yet. Unless you think booster 9 is going to be the final Super Heavy iteration.
Then, getting into mass production is something Shotwell also acknowledged as the next big challenge.
It's gonna be a long time before "shitting out Starships" is cheap and efficient.

[Anonymous No.15408813]

>>15408700
I bet this guy used to bitch and moan about F-35 R&D costs. Now that it's cheaper & technologically superior to any alternative, he's jumped ships.

I wonder what he will do with his life after Starship?

[Anonymous No.15408823]

>>15408813
whine about the cost of the mars colony and that its never going to reach 1 million people in 2050
there are only 100 people there and its already 2035 or something similar
lmao

[Anonymous No.15408834]

the spaceflight industry is too small

[Anonymous No.15408835]

>>15408834
its still a relatively small market

[Anonymous No.15408853]

[Anonymous No.15408854]

[Anonymous No.15408855]

>>15408853
spacex, rocket lab, and vaporware

[Anonymous No.15408859]

[Anonymous No.15408861]

why is spaceX so soulless compared to NASA, Elon has zero taste.

touchscreen lcd screens are gay, buttons and switches >>

[Anonymous No.15408862]

>>15408853
>Starship
>operational
I fucking hate spacex fanboys
t. a spacex fanboy

[Anonymous No.15408864]

>brazil, mexico, indonesia, phillippines, etc.
imagine being a large populous country but doing fuck all in space

[Anonymous No.15408865]

>>15408862
>and in development
illiterates OUT

[Anonymous No.15408867]

>>15408865
fug, I didn't see the tiny green text.
I guess I have to leave.

[Anonymous No.15408870]

>>15408865
>>15408867
I can show you to the door, sir.

[Anonymous No.15408871]

>>15408865
yes but the green text says operational under starship

[Anonymous No.15408875]

>>15408739
where's the original image from? a manga?

[Anonymous No.15408882]

>As Elon Musk, if I were to play a character in a game of Dungeons and Dragons, I would likely choose to play a wizard. Wizards are known for their intelligence, creativity, and ability to manipulate the forces of nature to achieve their goals. They are also skilled in a variety of magical disciplines, which would allow me to explore different aspects of the game and experiment with different strategies and tactics.
>In addition, as someone who is passionate about technology and innovation, I believe that the wizard class would allow me to explore the intersection of magic and science, and to imagine new possibilities for the future. Overall, I believe that playing a wizard in Dungeons and Dragons would be a fun and engaging way to exercise my creativity and problem-solving skills, while also exploring new worlds and ideas.
Can’t believe he said this on the Twitter Spaces thing

[Anonymous No.15408887]

>>15408882
he didnt say that

[Anonymous No.15408894]

>>15408875
Yeah, it's from Dr Stone. There's not really that much space stuff in it though, it's more about rebuilding civilization from scratch.

[Anonymous No.15408898]

>>15408823
Man, imagine how many football games has been won by moving the goalposts.
Oh Falcon works now? How can't starship figure out tech falcon has had for a decade? Oh they are rapidly building out a full test site and we can see the day to day progress? This is a turtle habitat issue now

[Anonymous No.15408900]

>>15408882
Elon should dual class as a berserker to crush the bureaucracy, see them driven before him and hear the lamentation of their women.

[Anonymous No.15408902]

>>15408861

[Anonymous No.15408904]

>>15408900
How long will /sfg/ cling to blaming "bureaucracy" this time? 4 months? 6 months?

[Anonymous No.15408905]

>>15408902

[Anonymous No.15408906]

>>15408904
As long as until the next Starship launch
FAA sees progress, and they redtape that motherfucker

[Anonymous No.15408910]

>>15408905
Is this a forward-thinking feature, or a dinosaur setback?
(Starliner pictured)

[Anonymous No.15408911]

>>15408882
I've never in my life been interested in Dungeons and Dragons, nor I even know what it even is about, yet I keep hearing about it. Am I missing out on a something?

[Anonymous No.15408912]

>>15408910
Zamn, they found that at a gamer garbage dump? Like zaaamn

[Anonymous No.15408915]

>>15408906
True, the FAA made them destroy the launch pad.

[Anonymous No.15408924]

>>15408915
The FAA is LITERALLY on the ground right now trying to stop the construction of booster 9. Also SpaceX had another full stack built and ready to go but the FAA red tape snuck in an deconstructed it. Also there was an FAA agent hiding in starship, he kick out the gimbal lines.

[Anonymous No.15408925]

Holy hell, 5-6 times this year?

[Anonymous No.15408931]

>>15408911
Do you like the idea of you and some other autists playing pretend, but cooperatively? Do you like RPGs like Morrowind, New Vegas, Cybperunk or the Outer Wilds? Do you like optimising meaningless numbers?
If you don’t like any of those don’t bother

[Anonymous No.15408935]

>>15408931
>Outer Wilds
You mean outer worlds right? Outer wilds isn't an RPG, but it is a better and more /stg/ related game.

[Anonymous No.15408938]

>>15408415
>EROEI dark age permanently
Good news, we are going. Even solar is positive (not really lol). But seriously, there are a lot of people that were once hostile to nuclear that are getting on board.

[Anonymous No.15408940]

>>15408935
how good is it? I bought it a while ago and even installed it but haven't played it yet, I don't have a working controller at the moment

[Anonymous No.15408942]

>>15408938

[Anonymous No.15408943]

>>15408902
Shuttle re-entry must be the most otherworldly, comfy experience

[Anonymous No.15408944]

>>15408935
>/stg/
>>>/n/

[Anonymous No.15408946]

>>15408940
The best space exploration game I know, and probably one of the most fun spaceships to fly in a game. Don't look up any of the puzzles though, it really ruins the game. Also good music.

[Anonymous No.15408947]

>>15408943
It's a massive shame we never got HD footage. NASA started cucking content hard after the shuttle era.

[Anonymous No.15408951]

>>15408946
did you play with keyboard + mouse?

[Anonymous No.15408953]

>>15408951
Yeah, it only matters in one specific part, but it's not a big deal at all.

[Anonymous No.15408954]

>>15408944
lol forgot about that >>>/n/1904646

[Anonymous No.15408960]

>>15408953
cool

[Anonymous No.15408970]

>>15408415
>we'll be lucky if we don't fall into a EROEI dark age

[Anonymous No.15408980]

>>15408853
so Jarvis is just a different upper stage for New Glenn?

[Anonymous No.15408983]

>>15408935
>/stg/
the collagefag reveals himself

[Anonymous No.15408991]

so they didn't reuse the sideboosters?

[Anonymous No.15408992]

>>15408980
yes, but developed by an internal SkunkWorks-like team inside BO and also made of steel like starship

googled blue origin jarvis and got this, pretty interesting site
https://spacecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Blue_Origin_Jarvis
even has a page about starship
https://spacecraft.fandom.com/wiki/SpaceX_Starship

[Anonymous No.15408994]

>>15408991
not this time, they needed the extra performance and I guess the boosters were pretty old too

[Anonymous No.15408998]

>>15408992
considering the engine troubles Starship is having I wouldn't be surprised if it gets beaten by Jarivs

[Anonymous No.15408999]

>>15408992
>>15408980
there hasn't been much information about it though, this article is 21 months old for instance
who knows what goes on inside BO (if anything)

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/blue-origin-is-developing-reusable-second-stage-other-advanced-projects/

[Anonymous No.15409009]

>All 17 observing modes of the James Webb Space Telescope undergo routine performance monitoring and calibration. This month, while performing calibration by comparing the brightness of standard stars that have been well-cataloged by other observatories to what Webb’s Mid-Infrared Instrument (MIRI) was receiving, team members noticed a discrepancy in the data.Further analysis of MIRI’s Medium Resolution Spectroscopy (MRS) mode revealed that at the longest wavelengths, the throughput, or the amount of light that is ultimately registered by MIRI’s sensors, has decreased since commissioning last year.
MIRIbros...

[Anonymous No.15409012]

>>15409009
JPL strikes again

[Anonymous No.15409018]

clipper narrow angle camera. Imagine the detail this camera will be capturing as Clipper flies 25km above the surface

[Anonymous No.15409023]

If FAA wasn't an issue, how long until they can fly again? Is Musk serious about 2-3 months?

[Anonymous No.15409025]

>>15409018
there is nothing in that pic to show scale

[Anonymous No.15409027]

>>15409025
correct

[Anonymous No.15409028]

>>15409025
The prototable it's on has holes roughly every inch or 20 mm.

[Anonymous No.15409031]

>>15409025
looks about 3 feet tall to me

[Anonymous No.15409033]

>>15409023
>Is Musk serious about 2-3 months?
You should be familiar with Musk Time by now.
It's somewhere between Real Time and Russian Time.

[Anonymous No.15409039]

>>15409023
>Is Musk serious about 2-3 months?
Yes. Very serious. Deadly serious. 100% serious. It'd be my life savings on it. It's a done deal. No way it misses. It's locked in. Can't possibly delay. 100% sure. Totally positive. Very confident.

[Anonymous No.15409040]

>>15409033
we're easily looking at 6 months, think I'll have to lay down the sfg for a bit cause my balls WILL become blue

[Anonymous No.15409047]

>>15408938
>Even solar is positive (not really lol)
Make up your mind, midwit

[Anonymous No.15409055]

>>15408781
haven't they started building a second base? I'm sure that's included.

[Anonymous No.15409059]

10 bucks they are actually ready in 8 weeks

[Anonymous No.15409066]

>>15409023
Sure he's serious about it. There is this thing called "Elon Time" though.

[Anonymous No.15409069]

[Anonymous No.15409070]

[Anonymous No.15409071]

>>15408620
god that would be so based

[Anonymous No.15409076]

s o y jak waving hands around.gif

[Anonymous No.15409077]

>>15408753
anons only saying this because theyre uninformed newfags. elon flat out stated they had spent about 5 billion total on starship as of last year

[Anonymous No.15409080]

>>15409009
Fuck around in L2 and find out

[Anonymous No.15409081]

>Twitter could've funded 10 years of Starship development

[Anonymous No.15409082]

[Anonymous No.15409083]

>>15409076
>no rice
Basedcucks fear the rice chad

[Anonymous No.15409086]

>>15409018
Cool

[Anonymous No.15409088]

>>15408853
electron is not reusable lol

[Anonymous No.15409091]

>>15409082
4ASS already infiltrated this

[Anonymous No.15409096]

>>15408853
VAPORWARE RANKING

1. New Glenn
2. Jarvis

<huge gap>

3. Terran R
4. Voldemort
5. Neutron
6. Vulcan
7. Starship

[Anonymous No.15409097]

>>15408224
>This rocket had the historic first of having both the vehicle and the pad clear the tower!

Okay thats hilarious tho

[Anonymous No.15409105]

>>15408689
I believe you can still get the full orbital mechanics course from MIT for free online. It was a series of video lectures, and we used them for reference in our orbital mechanics course.

[Anonymous No.15409116]

>>15408998
>considering the engine troubles Starship is having
What engine troubles? Did you mean to say New Glenn there?

[Anonymous No.15409117]

>>15408689
http://www.braeunig.us/space/orbmech.htm
This is a pretty good page for a short summary

[Anonymous No.15409123]

>>15409117
>http

[Anonymous No.15409124]

We better be getting some deep space EVA kino from Gateway

[Anonymous No.15409125]

>>15409123
Sorry
telnet://www.braeunig.us/space/orbmech.htm

[Anonymous No.15409128]

>>15409125
lol

[Anonymous No.15409130]

>>15409125
nice

[Anonymous No.15409133]

[Anonymous No.15409134]

>>15409125

[Anonymous No.15409136]

>>15409116
>What engine troubles? Did you mean to say New Glenn there?
>he doesn't know that a quarter of the engines failed during the test flight

[Anonymous No.15409137]

>>15409116
>New Glenn
Can't have engine troubles without engines

[Anonymous No.15409139]

I don't remember Merline engines constantly failing during F9 develoopmetn

[Anonymous No.15409143]

>>15409139
Merlin was known working with Falcon 1. Raptor is their first new sea level engine since then.

[Anonymous No.15409146]

>>15409125
what, no ftp: or gopher: address?!

[Anonymous No.15409149]

>>15409146
You can telnet to any http server, just remember to change the port to 80.
But you can't telnet to that newfangled https nonsense. You only get encrypted gibberish.

[Anonymous No.15409150]

>>15409096
New Shepard has returned to vaporware status lol

[Anonymous No.15409155]

>>15409149
Some telnet clients support SSL.

[Anonymous No.15409160]

>>15409136
That was Booster (or Starship Heavy), not Starship. Keep up with your vehicle names.

[Anonymous No.15409163]

anyone have the /sfg/ BBS link?

[Anonymous No.15409167]

>>15409163
Dial in to 1 900 ULA BTFO with your modem. 9600 8n1

[Anonymous No.15409171]

>>15409139
It was never as ambitious as raptor.

[Anonymous No.15409178]

>>15408859
How is Jarvis the same retardation as Starship? Those flaps don't work, they can't prevent the craft from turning around and reentering bottom-first, in fact they promote this by acting as feathers and once in that attitude the edge of the flaps stabilize the craft so it never recovers.

The current design is aerodynamically flawed.

[Anonymous No.15409179]

>>15409139
The first Merlin engines that were used on Falcon 9 were already the third iteration of the engines (Merlin 1C)
During the 4th launch of Falcon 9, it had a partial failure (the secondary payload didn't reach the desired orbit) due to one of the 9 merlin1C engines experiencing an anomaly (pic related and the greentext below)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches_(2010%E2%80%932019)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Merlin#Merlin_1C
> On October 7, 2012, a Merlin 1C (Engine No. 1) of the CRS-1 mission experienced an anomaly at T+00:01:20, which appears on CRS-1 launch video as a flash. The failure occurred just as the vehicle achieved max-Q (maximum aerodynamic pressure). SpaceX's internal review found that the engine was shut down after a sudden pressure loss and that only the aerodynamic shell was destroyed, generating the debris seen in the video; the engine did not explode, as SpaceX ground control continued to receive data from it throughout the flight. The primary mission was unaffected by the anomaly due to the nominal operation of the remaining eight engines and an onboard readjustment of the flight trajectory,[21] but the secondary-mission payload failed to reach its target orbit due to safety protocols in place to prevent collisions with the ISS. These protocols prevented a second firing of the upper stage for the secondary payload.[22]

And we look at Falcon 1, the first launch failed due to engine (Merlin 1A) failure at t+33 seconds, the second launch failed due to premature second stage engine failure (Kestrel engine), the third launch failed due to "Residual stage-1 thrust led to collision between stage 1 and stage 2.", so even that might be a problem with the engine (too lazy to find out).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_1

So in fact, they did have problems with the engine early in its development, perhaps less than Raptor has had but its a much more ambitious project

[Anonymous No.15409183]

>>15409178
copypasting the starship but scaled down is just a shitpost, not much is known about Jarvis other than its supposedly steel and a fully reusable upper stage

[Anonymous No.15409185]

where's the real starbase

[Anonymous No.15409190]

The absolute fucking state of oldspace

[Anonymous No.15409198]

>>15409190
Yeah but muh 100% ULA success rate
AHHHHHHHH HELP ME MICHAEL GASS

[Anonymous No.15409199]

>>15409198
>Michael Gass
>Gass
Holy shit Musk really did remove atmosphere

[Anonymous No.15409200]

>>15409190
someone post that ULA ad poster

[Anonymous No.15409201]

>>15408960
NTA, but you're going to have a blast.
Outer Wilds is an absolute gem.
I recommend installing the DLC only after you're done with the base game.

[Anonymous No.15409208]

>>15409190
Brunobros...

[Anonymous No.15409210]

[Anonymous No.15409214]

>>15409198
>100% ULA success rate
Sorry but NROL-30 launch was a partial failure.

[Anonymous No.15409216]

[Anonymous No.15409222]

>>15409216
sauce

[Anonymous No.15409224]

>>15409222
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230002706/downloads/M2MADD_ESDMD-001(TP-20230002706).pdf

page 73

[Anonymous No.15409229]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QppjQjfDHc

>Discover ULA – America’s Ride to Space

[Anonymous No.15409232]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyRRYAmaFD4

Is there a single member of NSF who isn't a massive faggot?

[Anonymous No.15409236]

Would you rather fly on ULA (never failed) or SpaceX (blew up last week)

[Anonymous No.15409242]

>>15407668
ギャオーン

[Anonymous No.15409244]

>>15409200

[Anonymous No.15409248]

>>15409244
The results over rhetoric always felt so strange to me due to its late coming. By the time they started using it all the time, SpaceX was already launching 30 times a year.

[Anonymous No.15409251]

>>15409236
Uhhhhh could remind me again, um, like, which one of them actually flies commercial crew missions?

[Anonymous No.15409252]

[Anonymous No.15409255]

>>15409248
The classics.

[Anonymous No.15409257]

>>15409255

[Anonymous No.15409259]

>>15409244
Why is there a random bolded apostrophe over the s in "has"? And would you trust this company to do quality control for spaceflight hardware?

[Anonymous No.15409266]

>>15409251
So basically you agree that SpaceX is risking the lives of astronauts by flying them and ULA is...keeping them safely on the ground? Is that really the argument you want to be making right now?

[Anonymous No.15409268]

>>15409257
>that Microsoft colored triangles code that nobody cared about

[Anonymous No.15409269]

>>15409266
Well, I, uhh...

[Anonymous No.15409270]

>>15409259
It's a comma that fell down from the third line.

[Anonymous No.15409277]

[Anonymous No.15409278]

>>15409257
RIP

[Anonymous No.15409279]

[Anonymous No.15409281]

Okay that's all the ULA ads I had

[Anonymous No.15409282]

>>15409255
astronauts? when

[Anonymous No.15409286]

>>15409200
>>15409244
I completely forgot about this kek

[Anonymous No.15409287]

>>15409268
It looks cooler than fucking QR codes at least. Soulless mark of the Antichrist they are, while whatever failed equivalent those things are at least have a late 80's through the 90's color scheme going on.

[Anonymous No.15409290]

[Anonymous No.15409293]

>>15409290
Hahahah at one point we had a resident shrek poster and it always made me giggle

[Anonymous No.15409294]

>>15409290
It almost makes me sad that it's going to launch soon. Truly the end of an era.

[Anonymous No.15409301]

>>15409287
color is always more expensive to print and easier to fuck up

[Anonymous No.15409302]

>>15409294
>soon

[Anonymous No.15409305]

>>15409302
Isn't the first crew launch in four months?

[Anonymous No.15409310]

>>15409277
This is what the ad they should have gone with.

[Anonymous No.15409311]

>>15409198
statistically speaking F9 is more reliable

[Anonymous No.15409312]

>>15409305
Consult the crystal ball

[Anonymous No.15409317]

does someone have the 100 years SLS poster?

[Anonymous No.15409320]

>>15409179
looks like all the early failures were due to engines as well

[Anonymous No.15409336]

[Anonymous No.15409344]

>>15409336
>just build another tower bro
The chinese want to try this with four towers. it will funny to watch it never work on top of costing a fortune. learn to land accurately and this isnt a problem

[Anonymous No.15409352]

>>15409344
>The chinese want to try this with four towers
cool but do you have a source?

[Anonymous No.15409358]

is BO still planning to build like 4 new Glenns in total

[Anonymous No.15409364]

>>15409352
Just some cgi video that will probably amount to nothing. it requires innovation, something insects are incapable of

[Anonymous No.15409366]

>>15409364
they got the cable idea on the NSF forums probably

[Anonymous No.15409369]

HEEEEERREEEEE WE GOOOOOOO
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/environmentalists-sue-faa-over-spacex-launch-license-texas-2023-05-01/

[Anonymous No.15409371]

>>15409358
first they need four miracles

[Anonymous No.15409372]

>>15409358
Wasn't it 2?

[Anonymous No.15409374]

>>15409369
too slow fags ;) the environment is gone. reduced to atoms

[Anonymous No.15409380]

>>15409336
This is a troll right?

[Anonymous No.15409381]

Deep space and manned space travel will remain incredibly niche until they can be made profitable like LEO and GEO. If and when manned mars travel becomes possible, mars will not get more than an ISS analogue.

Explain how you will make either of these things profitable
hard mode: no mining

[Anonymous No.15409387]

>>15409372
Two Glenn
>>15409369
You can save the piping plover or explore the cosmos. YOU CANNOT DO BOTH

[Anonymous No.15409388]

New falcon copy dropped

https://twitter.com/cnspaceflight/status/1653064274355576834?s=61&t=KByqJkc6ImJWsDMvQlNeRg

[Anonymous No.15409391]

>>15409352
It's something they're talking about trying with the single-stick version of the LM-10. From a performance standpoint it's not a bad idea to offload the landing gear weight onto the actual landing site, but this kinda feels like the rocket recovery equivalent of "just how light can we make a centaur?"

[Anonymous No.15409394]

I think the cable thing is really good

[Anonymous No.15409395]

>>15409388
>GALACTIC ENERGY-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y

[Anonymous No.15409404]

>>15409388
Wow incredible China! Only strong China could build a powerful space launch as this

[Anonymous No.15409407]

>>15409388
Implessive.

[Anonymous No.15409412]

>>15409388
How the fuck did China feed itself before Xerox sold them copiers?

[Anonymous No.15409415]

>>15409388
quantum falcon heavy

[Anonymous No.15409427]

>>15409415

[Anonymous No.15409435]

>>15409388
>>15409415
Implessive.

With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers, quantum enhanced railguns and quantum falcon heavy will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

[Anonymous No.15409443]

>>15409336
You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist fa.m

[Anonymous No.15409447]

>>15409427
>>15409435
kek

[Anonymous No.15409457]

>>15409443
>he thinks catching the booster won't be problematic

[Anonymous No.15409460]

>>15409457
>problematic
it's booster catching not twitter racial politics

[Anonymous No.15409463]

>>15409047
see
>>15408942
Concentrated solar panels (CSP) are positive. however photovoltaics aren't. Solarfags conflate the two and just take whatever is better for their argument.

[Anonymous No.15409468]

>BREAKING: Senator of Alabama, Richard C Shelby, dies at 88

[Anonymous No.15409470]

>>15409358
It’s 2, each with a target of 25 flights (so probably way less than this)
However, some anon here said they saw Berger claim this is “only for block 1.” Take this second part with a grain of salt I never actually saw or heard Berger mention this but it could have been said on the MECO podcast or something

[Anonymous No.15409472]

>>15409336
Admirable idea, but I have another proposal for you to consider.

[Anonymous No.15409473]

>>15409463
>Concentrated solar panels (CSP) are positive. however photovoltaics aren't.
Your graph shows that solar photovoltaics have an EROI of 4, which is lower than many other estimates but still positive. Take your medication.

[Anonymous No.15409483]

>>15409369
The way I see it, the launch did not destroy the environment enough. If it had wiped out the entire 5km exclusion zone and stripped it of life, this lawsuit would've been tossed by the judge due to lack of standing.

[Anonymous No.15409489]

the FTS anomaly is unironically problematic and should be investigated by the FAA

[Anonymous No.15409493]

>>15409489
are you having your period?

[Anonymous No.15409502]

>>15409489
No doubt SpaceX will have to re-certify it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is unprecedented in spaceflight history. They accidentally made their rocket too sturdy.

[Anonymous No.15409512]

>>15409489
Stop using that word

[Anonymous No.15409513]

>>15409473
>>15409463
Also, your source is Weißbach et al, it assumed that half of the electricity generated from solar would be wasted for unknown reasons, they would be installed in only in Germany, and that 10 days of battery energy storage would be required.

Here is a systematic review and meta-analysis of the EROI of solar using 232 papers from 2000-2013, every type of solar cell has at least double that estimate, with thin-film pv being much higher. The EROI of solar is uptrending so real number could be even higher.

[Anonymous No.15409515]

>>15409513
Hopefully this ends the nuclearfag mental gymnastics for the time being

[Anonymous No.15409521]

>>15409412
They didnt.

[Anonymous No.15409522]

>>15409412
>>15409521
Well they had to eat something.

[Anonymous No.15409524]

>>15408942
can I get a QRD on the "economical threshold"?

[Anonymous No.15409528]

>>15409513
>>15409515
>https://www.elsevier.com/en-gb
wew lad

[Anonymous No.15409529]

kinda bizarre though that solar has such a low EROI

[Anonymous No.15409531]

>>15408746
https://youtu.be/V8EDyD97TZo?t=104

[Anonymous No.15409532]

>>15409522
Rice and Decisive Tang Victory. Food fit for an empire.

[Anonymous No.15409534]

>>15409532
Rice and bugs, you mean.

[Anonymous No.15409535]

>>15409524
If your EROEI isn't over that line you don't make your money back and so once government subsidies run out construction of that category halts.

[Anonymous No.15409536]

>>15409531
Star wars will never not be cringe to me

[Anonymous No.15409538]

>>15409524
Basically inefficiency losses.

[Anonymous No.15409543]

>>15409536
scifi for people who don't like scifi

[Anonymous No.15409544]

hydro forever

[Anonymous No.15409548]

>>15409524
It's just random bullshit they made up.
>>15409538
No, they described it here.
>Energetically, human labour is negligible but financially, it dominates and represents the welfare of the society or of the sub-society working in this
energy sector. For the returned energy ER, the money to energy ratio is simply given by the usual market price. For the invested energy EI, however, the ratio is much larger since it contains all the surplus of the value-added chain. Therefore, an EROI threshold can be roughly estimated by the ratio of the GDP to the unweighted final energy consumption while an EMROI threshold can be estimated by the weighted final energy consumption (which is not the primary energy consumption).

[Anonymous No.15409555]

>>15409524
Means nothing. In fact the chart has nothing to say about capital at all, just muh efficiency. Solar, wind, and storage are scalable, nuclear is not. Efficiency can fuck off, it's all about cost per kwh and transmission

[Anonymous No.15409556]

>>15409534
PoTAYto, PoTAHto.

[Anonymous No.15409560]

>>15409555
yeah but for an energy source with a lower eroi the cost will probably be higher as well?

[Anonymous No.15409564]

>>15409548
Wow what a bunch of nonsensical gibberish. Why are academics like this?

[Anonymous No.15409568]

> soilar fag is back off his meds
terrific!

[Anonymous No.15409571]

>>15409568
I'm less pro solar and more anti paying more for electricity

[Anonymous No.15409577]

>>15409548
Nuclear is only expensive for government reasons. Ban intervention once ground is broken, allow seabed storage and breeder cycles, certify reactor module series instead of whole plants, and it becomes competitive with solar.

[Anonymous No.15409578]

>>15409568
>soiler
lol

[Anonymous No.15409579]

>>15408942
At least post a proper source when you want to push your EROI numbers.

[Anonymous No.15409586]

>>15409577
>breeder cycles
literally noone knows how to build such a reactor

[Anonymous No.15409588]

Just got back from 2 finals, any news in the spacelaunch world?

[Anonymous No.15409590]

>>15409577
Make companies fully liable for future damages. Including the death penalty for gross negligence and we are go.

[Anonymous No.15409603]

>>15409489
It's honestly scary as fuck, imagine if the thing went off course shortly after liftoff, AFTS fires but it just doesn't blow up immediately, absolute nightmare scenario. I don't understand how neither them nor the FAA caught this, I would've thought calculations for this would be somewhat straightforward/oversize everything several times so failure is extremely unlikely?

[Anonymous No.15409604]

>>15409603
concern trolling

[Anonymous No.15409616]

>>15409560
Not him but it's a weak association. Check out this paper, new solar and wind installations under some circumstances are less than the marginal cost of operating existing nuclear, natural gas, and coal plants. It's especially insane because the cost of nuclear is almost all capital cost.
>>15409577
See above, there is a zero percent chance it becomes competitive with renewables even with deregulation.

[Anonymous No.15409613]

>>15409489
Just run a line of det cord down the length of the booster instead of re-using F9 FTS charges. Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.15409618]

I hate e*rthers so much bros….

[Anonymous No.15409619]

>>15409603
Obviously SpaceX cannot be trusted to build functional FTS so surface to air missiles capable of destroying the stack must be put in place

[Anonymous No.15409621]

>>15409618
>environmental groups
which?

[Anonymous No.15409622]

>>15409621
shut up, racist

[Anonymous No.15409623]

>>15409616
The gold colored diamond bullet points = marginal cost

[Anonymous No.15409624]

>>15409577
Nuclear is was only ever viable because of huge subsidies in the form of nuclear storage sites

>just have the companies fund storage for the next 10,000 years bro they can afford it

[Anonymous No.15409628]

>>15409619
sponsored, constructed and operated by boeing

[Anonymous No.15409630]

>>15409621
Article says this group and others

[Anonymous No.15409632]

>>15409616
>new solar and wind installations under some circumstances are less than the marginal cost of operating existing nuclear, natural gas, and coal plants.
if solar was actually cheaper that's that what would be built but in reality Germany gets only like 10% of its power from solar, UK and US probably less. Where's the catch

[Anonymous No.15409639]

>>15409630
Margolis, curious name...

[Anonymous No.15409641]

>>15408864
going to space is about money, not people

[Anonymous No.15409642]

>>15409630
https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/
hmm

[Anonymous No.15409645]

>>15409632
Renewables are primarily the majority of new capacity being added globally. They provided 46% of German electricity demand in 2022 and led to them being the world's largest electricity exporter.

[Anonymous No.15409648]

https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/publications/
hmmmm

[Anonymous No.15409650]

>>15409642
https://act.biologicaldiversity.org/4XMDa1Nlok6L-mn0El8q4w2?sourceid=1008885&oa_ad_referrer=ad_action-alerts&utm_source=ad&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=action-alerts
Fucking BASTARDS

[Anonymous No.15409651]

>>15409619
Bring back the nuclear tipped Sprint. Current SAM systems are too slow to reach the target and reliably disintegrate it.

[Anonymous No.15409656]

>>15409648
>Gender and the Climate Crisis: Equitable Solutions for Climate Plan
The effects of rising greenhouse gas emissions are more harmful to women, gender diverse people, and Black, Indigenous and people of color, although these communities contribute less to climate change.
hmmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.15409657]

Nuclear bomb FTS

[Anonymous No.15409658]

>>15409650
“Boca Chica, on the Gulf of Mexico in Texas, provides habitat for a rich diversity of wildlife, including endangered species like ocelots, piping plovers and aplomado falcons. It's one of the few places where Kemp's ridley sea turtles — the most critically endangered sea turtles on the planet — come ashore to nest.

But this treasured coastal landscape is threatened by the approval of 20 hazardous rocket launches and the expansion of the Boca Chica facility owned by SpaceX, the space technology company founded by Elon Musk.

Since SpaceX came to Boca Chica in 2014, wildlife has paid the price. The intense heat, noise and light pollution from construction and launch activities have harmed and driven off species. When failed rockets explode, debris falls on surrounding habitat, sometimes causing brush and forest fires. Indeed, the first launch of the Starship Rocket on April 20 resulted in a massive explosion, showering the surrounding area with debris.

The launch-site expansion, and the additional rocket launches that would come with it, will bring even more damage. We're suing to require a full examination of the impact's adequate mitigation — but we need your help. Together we can prevent the sacrifice of Boca Chica.

Urge SpaceX and the Federal Aviation Administration to do more to protect Boca Chica and its wildlife.”
>MUH BIRDS MUH BEETLES
SHUT THE FUCK UP

[Anonymous No.15409663]

>>15408861
Touchscreens aren't just "wow fancy and future". It makes things much cheaper to design and build.

changing layout of physical buttons takes ages - if you need to add another button, you need to physically machine out a new control panel
changing layout of elements on touchscreen takes maybe a minute in editor
if you need to build another spacecraft, you need to machine/mould and assemble every button, every lever and every switch each time
if you are using touchcreen instead, you just bolt on your screen, install "controls.exe" and you're done

But I agree. SpaceX minimalism looks like ass.

[Anonymous No.15409668]

>>15409632
>Where's the catch
Solar is nice as long as you build it in the right place.
I live in northern scandinavia (far off the map) and even here we have people installing solar because it's trendy in fucking California. Sure it's not the worst investment with current energy prices but at under 800 kWh/kWp it's just a waste of perfectly good panels.

[Anonymous No.15409671]

>>15409645
they probably have to overbuild so they can have electricity on days without sun and wind. Anyway the more solar and wind there is the harder it is to have a reliable grid because there is no little storage particularly in flat countries like Germany, UK

[Anonymous No.15409676]

>>15409668
damn chile, you sunny

[Anonymous No.15409677]

>>15409676
Mountains man

[Anonymous No.15409680]

>>15409668
>build solar in the right places
>produce hydrogen, methane and other synthetic oils with said energy
>use already existing fuel pipelines for transport
>???
>profit

[Anonymous No.15409686]

>>15409676
telescopes love it

[Anonymous No.15409691]

>>15409680
would be more economical to transport the energy with long distance transmission lines

[Anonymous No.15409693]

>>15409515
EROIfag completely blown the fuck out at last
not that EROI is even a relevant metric, but the retard still keeps bringing it up like once every week

[Anonymous No.15409697]

>>15409680
>produce hydrogen
Just drill for it, Earth has teratons of it accessible

[Anonymous No.15409699]

>>15409680
yeah, people keep saying lolz Arabs will return to poverty and riding camels once oil ends
no, they ain't

[Anonymous No.15409701]

>>15409577
well, its probably competitive with solar in certain locations, but in sunny places it might be difficult even with regulations being removed simply because mass production of nuclear power plants is more difficult than mass producing a shitload of solar panels

[Anonymous No.15409702]

>>15409018
L-Lewd

[Anonymous No.15409707]

>>15409680
South Africa and Namibia could be stinking rich rising industrial powerhouses with extremely cheap solar energy drawing in factories and investors from all over the globe.
Alas, niggers.

[Anonymous No.15409711]

>>15409701
How's storage doing cost-wise?

[Anonymous No.15409712]

>>15409025
handles on it are hand-sized
there's a electric plug and finger-sized buttons on upper right corner
table is at waist height

[Anonymous No.15409713]

>>15409680
that might work, but not sure if that would actually be cheaper than nuclear for instance
a renewable grid would need to do something like that anyway for long term seasonal storage

[Anonymous No.15409719]

wave power reminder

[Anonymous No.15409723]

>>15409069
looks like one of those borzoi pics

[Anonymous No.15409739]

>>15409719
I thought that they couldn't fix the issue of roggs and other debris destroying everything?
Why isn't Geothermal more wide spread? Seems easy to me, drill a deep enough hole, fill it with water and you get free steam.

[Anonymous No.15409745]

>>15409473
>but still positive
The biggest cope of all
If you have to spend all day whipping a nigger to do only twice the amount of work that you could have done. How much economical progress do you think you'll get with that compared to a machine like the cotton gin?

[Anonymous No.15409754]

Why not use Mars as a penal colony?

[Anonymous No.15409757]

>>15409739
Digging deep holes gets exponentially more expensive and might cause earthquakes
Solar panels are just cheaper (unless you live on Iceland)

[Anonymous No.15409760]

>>15409586
Are you just acting retarded?

[Anonymous No.15409761]

>>15409739
It actually is pretty widely used at least in Europe, but it's not one of those flashy things that gets all the news and popsci attention. And with the russian bear having its irregularly scheduled dumbass moment once again, loads of people are moving from oil/gas industries into alternatives, including more geothermal.

Downsides include: expensive to build, takes a lot of space to build, and if you build it in wrong soil type you will fuck up local buildings.

[Anonymous No.15409762]

>>15409658
>a massive explosion
An actual lie if they're talking about the dust cloud. The only explosion was from FTS, and it was off shore.

[Anonymous No.15409765]

>>15409691
You don't lose 30% of methane in a pipeline.

[Anonymous No.15409767]

>>15409658
>forest fires
What forest?

[Anonymous No.15409773]

>>15409713
There will be no seasonal energy storage for the vast majority of the world, that demand will be easily met by overcapacity. Only countries with extreme climates will consider storing e-methane for use over those periods.
>>15409745
Say that slave produces four times more food for each pound of food given to him and costs virtually nothing. Your solution is paying someone that can produce 40 times more food for each pound of given to him but his wage exceeds the value of the food produced. EROI literally doesn't matter provided it's over 1, you only hang onto this because you have argument based in reality and can't bring up the actual cost of electricity.

[Anonymous No.15409784]

>>15409739
They bored two 6.4km deep holes for an enhanced geothermal system where i live. Project is now abandoned because they couldn't get enough water to transfer between the holes. Couple of tens of millions down the drain.
Point is, deep geothermal isn't exactly a science yet.

[Anonymous No.15409788]

/sng/ - The Return

[Anonymous No.15409789]

>>15409773
>EROI literally doesn't matter provided it's over 1
Marginal EROI is why Canadian tar sands don't make Canada fabulously rich.

[Anonymous No.15409793]

>>15409754
america will be used as Mars' penal colony

[Anonymous No.15409795]

>>15409788
solar nigger general?

[Anonymous No.15409798]

>>15409789
The tar sands don't make Canada fabulously rich because of their much higher production costs compared to more readily available and pure oil, only minority of that cost is in the energy used for extraction.

[Anonymous No.15409800]

if months are longer on mars, when does black history month start and end?

[Anonymous No.15409801]

>>15409784
>couldn't get enough water to transfer between the holes
how? This sounds really easy.

[Anonymous No.15409802]

Speaking of solar, why is this there? Slap 'em on roofs sure, but I thought space was at a premium at Starbase.

[Anonymous No.15409803]

>>15409798
>because of their much higher production costs compared to more readily available and pure oil
That's literally what EROI is.

[Anonymous No.15409805]

>>15409795
kek, perhaps.

[Anonymous No.15409809]

> soilar fags never shill OTEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion
suspicious tbqh

[Anonymous No.15409822]

>>15409803
no it isnt

[Anonymous No.15409823]

>>15409809
So you're in favor of boiling the oceans? Is that really the argument you want to be making right now?

[Anonymous No.15409826]

>>15409809
Tapping ocean thermal gradients for work has the potential to interfere with currents if done at GWe scale. Solar doesn't..

[Anonymous No.15409828]

>>15409795
>nuclear = nigger
couldn't agree more.

[Anonymous No.15409829]

>>15409801
Because it depends on the geology. You can't get enough heat flux by using one hole to pump and recover the water. Unless the depth is ridiculous.
The cause of failure was that they couldn't fracture the rock enough to get meaningful amounts of water to flow between the two boreholes.
And the total cost was 100 million euros.

[Anonymous No.15409830]

>>15409803
No it's not. EROI is only concerned with the amount of energy put it and how much energy the product will produce over its life. Production costs depend on a number of factors, energy cost is just one, and as shown earlier there is no real association between low EROI and high production costs for electricity which is the subject of all this so this argument is retarded.

[Anonymous No.15409832]

>>15409802
probably can't really build any actual production buildings there next to the dwellings, some non-spacex people still live there

[Anonymous No.15409837]

>>15409762
They segued into that point from failed rockets exploding and scattering debris. They are obviously talking about the flight termination explosion.

Did you even read it?

[Anonymous No.15409838]

>>15409830
Thank you. this is why the whole study is bogus. it doesnt focus on cost to consumers at all

[Anonymous No.15409841]

>>15409830
See
>>15408942
You need to consider extraction and production costs or your EROEI falls to zero as people stop taking a loss to produce electricity. That's what the shaded box is. The EROEI needs to be at least 9:1 for that to be viable economically.

[Anonymous No.15409844]

>>15409826
> changing Earths albedo with pv panels errywhere is fine

[Anonymous No.15409846]

>>15409809
because that is still a speculative energy production method, not clear if its ever going to be competitive or scalable

[Anonymous No.15409848]

>>15409844
That's why nuclear is superior to renewables of any kind, it crushes them on land density usage. Sprawling photovoltaic farms are most useful in orbit serving orbital industry.

[Anonymous No.15409849]

>>15409844
the area covered by solar panels even in the case where its overbuilt is miniscule

[Anonymous No.15409851]

>>15409707
> country that has race quotas for their sports teams can achieve anything at all
anon...

[Anonymous No.15409852]

>>15409650
Their YouTube is Center for Biological Diversity
If enough people report their channel for hate speech against a protected group, YouTube will auto pull the videos until manual review
You should definitely, never, ever do this.
I did not.

[Anonymous No.15409853]

>>15409844
You really only need a tiny bit of solar panels to produce all the energy we currently use.
Melting icecaps bring a much larger albedo change every year.

[Anonymous No.15409854]

>>15409841
You're not even quoting the source properly, which was 7:1 based on arbitrary assumptions they pulled out of their ass and has no barring on reality because the actual price of electricity depends on the LCOE. Even if renewables produced negative energy it could still be profitable.

[Anonymous No.15409856]

>>15409848
[Quantized Inertia ather-turbine generator has joined the game]

[Anonymous No.15409858]

>>15409844
Oneillchads...we won

[Anonymous No.15409862]

>>15409848
nuclear raises the ambient temperature of the Earth to inhospitable levels. you think that is scalable u are a fuckin donut

[Anonymous No.15409863]

>>15409848
>It crushes them in a metric no one really cares about and no one would pay extra for
Kek, the cope. You would get your ass kicked and then claim you won because you expended less energy in the process.

[Anonymous No.15409871]

>>15409862
>nuclear raises the ambient temperature of the Earth to inhospitable levels
Not any more than burning enough fossil fuels to boil an equivalent amount of steam to spin turbines. Thermodynamics doesn't give us many freebies but this is one.

>>15409863
>nobody cares about land use in transmission-distance from major population and industry centers
Holy shit you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.15409881]

>>15409604
how

[Anonymous No.15409883]

>>15409871
the Earth is a national park that must be protected. i am oneil wan kenobi, let she show you the was of the tube. do not listen to darth congress

[Anonymous No.15409885]

>>15409489
Based on what Elon said in the call, he expects FTS requalification to be the long pole for reflight.

[Anonymous No.15409889]

>>15409885
by saying that he was implying the FAA and EPA and Joe Biden would slow them down

[Anonymous No.15409891]

>>15409883
>the Earth is a national park
Yes, an American national park, and we've got some hobos to evict.

[Anonymous No.15409892]

>>15409891
all countries belong to America

[Anonymous No.15409893]

>>15409889
In this case they can only blame themselves that they gave FAA cause to doubt their FTS systems.

[Anonymous No.15409894]

>>15409889
No shit. FAA has a hand in qualifying their FTS systems. A big fuck up like the FTS failing to terminate the flight until an engine exploded from propellant exhaustion will trigger a full investigation and RCA.

[Anonymous No.15409896]

>>15409891
Evict them to Mars? So that's what this is all about.

[Anonymous No.15409899]

Fuck the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.15409900]

>>15409871
Ah yes, nuclear plants are so easy to build in urban centers and it doesn't lend itself to a bunch of reactors being installed on one site in the middle of nowhere, producing energy to which then has distributed across the region using large transmission lines versus a much more decentralized network of renewables more evenly spread out and some of the production coming from rooftop solar in populated areas.

[Anonymous No.15409904]

>>15409894
They could have just lied to the FAA but chose not to. They had a CHOICE

[Anonymous No.15409906]

>>15409900
Yes that is literally true. There are multiple nukeplants inside the northeastern US megalopolis. Your "distributed renewables" idea does not work any place it has been tried without fossil fuels or nuclear backup.

[Anonymous No.15409909]

https://youtu.be/H_QXMPLPT-c
this is HUGE news

[Anonymous No.15409912]

>>15409906
Oh look, another retard troll arguing in bad faith

[Anonymous No.15409913]

>>15409863
It is a critical metric.
One major factor limiting the use of geothermal is simply the fact there is no room for the powerplant.
Major dam projects throughout history have been uphill battles against the locals to be displaced by the reservoir.
And when it comes to wind turbines, nobody wants those in their backyard.
Solar is fine, just put it on every rooftop.

[Anonymous No.15409915]

>>15409912
I'm not arguing in bad faith, you're just fucking wrong. Show me ONE urban area that has managed to shift to pure renewables. You can't.

[Anonymous No.15409917]

>>15409909
back you go
>>> /x/

[Anonymous No.15409918]

>>15409906
Those plants were built in the 1970s before the Three Mile Island accident, it's straight up disingenuous for you to pretend that new nuclear plants would be located in cities.

[Anonymous No.15409919]

>>15409918
>MUH THREE MILE ISLAND ACCIDENT WITH ZERO INJURIES
>>>/out/
>>>/trash/
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.15409924]

>>15409917
>if i close my eyes it isnt real

[Anonymous No.15409929]

>>15409919
The Three Mile Island accident greatly affected the favorability of nuclear power in the US and beyond. It was the point where the general public realized that it could be a threat to them if something goes wrong. Why deny this fact?

[Anonymous No.15409930]

its so tiresome

[Anonymous No.15409936]

>>15409883
not so fast, Oneill Wan Kenobi, I am Darth Proxmire and I say not a single penny for you OR your tubes!!!

[Anonymous No.15409938]

>>15409929
You're just making emotional bullshit arguments rather than admitting nuclear plants are more efficient per unit land area by three orders of magnitude. SMRs (including most commercial fusion designs) are explicitly designed to be deployed near population centers inside coolant/shielding ponds so the risk of catastrophic meltdown is zero. Even a foreign government lobbing missiles at a power plant made of SMRs wouldn't cause a nuclear disaster.

[Anonymous No.15409941]

>>15409896
Gotta get the phosphorus and nitrogen fertilizers to Mars somehow.

[Anonymous No.15409943]

[Anonymous No.15409945]

>>15409936
THE TUBE SIDE WILL DEFEAT YOU, PLANETARY CHAUVINIST! SET PHASERS TO SPIN AAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.15409946]

astronaut ice cream SUCKS

[Anonymous No.15409949]

yes you told us already

[Anonymous No.15409952]

say hi to Helene

[Anonymous No.15409954]

>>15409543
pulpy space adventure for people who like pulpy space adventure

[Anonymous No.15409958]

>>15409952
hi

[Anonymous No.15409960]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/environmental-groups-sue-the-faa-over-spacex-launch-from-texas
The comments for this are gold. Seems like readers from other areas of Ars finally read a Berger article and interacted with regular Berger readers (and starship enthusiasts).
They seem to really hate each other

[Anonymous No.15409963]

>>15409938
>>15409913
>nuclear plants are more efficient per unit land area by three orders of magnitude
It's irrelevant. There sources of power like hydro that are geographically constricted because of resources of the site, that is very different than solar which can can be installed economically pretty much everywhere, MUH LAND USE would only become a problem if we run out of locations for solar plants or if the cost of leasing land becomes prohibitive.
> are explicitly designed to be deployed near population centers
Yet all the proposed SMRs would be installed on existing nuclear sites, you can't do anything besides parrot their marketing and cry about nuclear getting a bad rap for being unsafe.

[Anonymous No.15409964]

>>15409960
Thanks I refuse to view their links ever again even with adblocker running
Fuck ars

[Anonymous No.15409967]

>>15409963
>that is very different than solar which can can be installed economically pretty much everywhere
Rooftop solar has never and will never be a serious net contributor anywhere outside of the southwestern USA. Germany tried and failed.
>Yet all the proposed SMRs would be installed on existing nuclear sites
Because it's cheaper to start with.

[Anonymous No.15409971]

>>15409076
Seafood is free, like just throw a net in the water nigga haha

[Anonymous No.15409973]

>>15409963
>all the proposed SMRs would be installed on existing nuclear sites
Initially, then when everyone gets over their retarded boomer hangups they'll be everywhere

[Anonymous No.15409974]

>>15409960
ars commenters are unhinged pychopaths, years ago during the worst of the political shitstorm (or when roe vs wade happened) commenters were freely calling for the heads of whatever people were being accused of something in the article and anybody pointing out the absurdity would get downvoted to oblivion, one staff writer himself would write questionable things

[Anonymous No.15409976]

>>15409960
The far left communist tech community got their hand on "RUD" terminology and thinks its Elon compensating for twitter blue and thus lying.

[Anonymous No.15409980]

>>15409952
she's cute :3

[Anonymous No.15409985]

>>15409974
Ars comment sections and Reddit are unhinged enough that even /sfg/ at its absolute worst looks like a black tie scientific summit by comparison.

[Anonymous No.15409989]

>>15409952
ashy faced bitch

[Anonymous No.15409991]

>>15409960
the commientor is right. Musk != God.

Musk > God

[Anonymous No.15409998]

>>15409251
Soon

[Anonymous No.15410003]

>>15409998
may god have mercy on those astronauts

[Anonymous No.15410004]

>>15409909
If it was, it would be, you know, in the news.

I give the latest US-led UFO craze a high chance of being US military misdirection in the vein of Roswell. A conflict with China is looming on the horizon. Ever since the invention of aircraft, UFO sightings have gone up every time a big war with is afoot. We might be seeing some exciting black budget projects come out in the near future, but no technology of extraterrestrial origin.

[Anonymous No.15410008]

>>15409974
>>15409964
I generally find that almost none of Ars' cancerous rot actually interacts with Berger articles (probably because their interests are limited to politics) so the comments are usually actually quite good. Seems like Ars regulars have finally discovered that they have Musk fans hiding in the corner of their hugbox.

[Anonymous No.15410013]

>>15409967
>Because it's cheaper to start with.
It would always be cheaper. I honestly can't believe you think that SMR companies will spend countless millions fighting NIMBY over the right to install a nuclear reactor in their backyard when the economics case for them is already highly questionable regardless of how much marketing garbage you can spout and that it would outweigh the cost of transmission lines. It doesn't matter how safe they are, it doesn't matter that they're only <300 MW, people don't want nuclear plants near them and now that there is an alternative it's an impossible sell.

[Anonymous No.15410015]

>>15407668
You WILL skip on other planets like a little fairy and you WILL enjoy it:
>Skipping vs. running as the bipedal gait of choice in hypogravity
>Although skipping is never more metabolically economical than running, the difference becomes marginal at lunar gravities, with both bouncing gaits approaching values of walking on Earth (cost ≈2 J·kg−1·m−1). Nonmetabolic factors may thus be allowed to dominate the choice of skipping on the Moon.

[Anonymous No.15410016]

>>15410004
the first round of ufo pentagon crazies were all fired. now avi loeb has figured out it's piss easy to become a contractor and enrich yourself with dod funding that way. looking forward to his next book, preorder now

[Anonymous No.15410021]

>>15409960
lmao

[Anonymous No.15410027]

any new details of the Polaris dawn spacewalk suit?

[Anonymous No.15410028]

>>15410021
>flight destruct system
I'm sure this is definitely not someone who only recently learned what a FTS is. No sir.

[Anonymous No.15410034]

>>15409793
This.

[Anonymous No.15410036]

>>15409946
Had some once, thought it was quite nice

[Anonymous No.15410039]

>>15409946
yeah tortillas and shrimp cocktail are miles better unironically

[Anonymous No.15410042]

>>15410027
14 days

[Anonymous No.15410046]

>>15410036
tell me what it was like? it is my lifelong dream to try it

[Anonymous No.15410052]

>>15410021
Oink oink

[Anonymous No.15410054]

>>15410046
Kinda like freeze dried nougat that dissolves in your mouth, they were right that it shatters and goes EVERYWHERE though, honestly would be hell to clean up in microgravity. If you really want one just get it on Amazon or something

[Anonymous No.15410055]

>>15409960
>>15410021

[Anonymous No.15410063]

>>15410055
get glasses

[Anonymous No.15410078]

Based Scott shitting on the Chinese.
https://youtu.be/uJTAaNkHv0M?t=761
Also reasonable summary of Starship test flight as opposed to the usual ideologically motivated trannyfaggot doomerism you see on twitter.

[Anonymous No.15410079]

>This is the person who runs Beyond NERVA
Jesus Christ. You cannot tell me that autism, transgenderism, and nuclear fanaticism aren't closely linked.

[Anonymous No.15410084]

>>15409964
I stopped going there around when Casey "the swole woman" Johnston left. She wrote "culture" articles for them in 2014 about how gamergate was a 4chan conspiracy and it was over for the site from there.

[Anonymous No.15410087]

>>15409388
it's so tiny oh no no no no hahaha

[Anonymous No.15410091]

>>15410063
get a monitor better than 640x480, gramps

[Anonymous No.15410094]

>>15410079
"People" like that run anything other than their mouths on twitter?
How?

[Anonymous No.15410099]

>>15410079

[Anonymous No.15410102]

>>15410079
>Beyond NERVA
They're not only removing themselves from the genepool but also removing themselves from the world of things that matter.
Let them tinker their lives away with nuclear paper rockets and open source graphics drivers.
Our only job now is to decrease their ideological R0 below 1, keeping them away from our kids and the world will self correct.
Focus on what's important.

[Anonymous No.15410114]

>>15410099
I suggest we start process by moving all activists to the frontlines of the struggle, i.e. to Africa. They can begin breaking down the patriachy there.

[Anonymous No.15410117]

Next Starship is GMI.
Prepare for absolute kino

[Anonymous No.15410128]

>>15410117
>he really thinks Starship will launch with e*rthniggers calling for an injunction
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I‘m not gonna live with this truth alone. I HATE this god forsaken well so much bros

[Anonymous No.15410131]

>>15410117
4th one will make it. It'll be like poetry it rhymes.

[Anonymous No.15410132]

>>15409998
I'm just happy that one of Glushko's superengines will finally be taking people into orbit. This should have happened decades ago.

[Anonymous No.15410138]

>>15410132
Dislike starliner, scoff at it even. But I love me Atlas V. Even if its retirement is on the horizon and she’s outdated. She was a good rocket.

[Anonymous No.15410139]

>>15410128
>he thinks some fag lawsuit matters
kek. right from the get go they're reaching for straws going with the "FAA didn't evaluate Florida as an alternative properly"
it's not a real lawsuit

[Anonymous No.15410148]

>>15408940
It's incredible, play it right now and don't look anything up (if you have the DLC, do it last)

[Anonymous No.15410150]

The FAA are going to go to bat in favor of SpaceX and it’s going to break everyone’s minds. I’m pretty sure the FAA love SX because they do a bunch of internal reviews and share a ton of data with the agency. We live in a weird time where commercial space wasn’t really a thing a decade ago and now it’s on fire, and the laws/regulations haven’t had time to catch up. But SX is setting the bar for what needs to be done and how to do it.

[Anonymous No.15410163]

>>15408935
>/stg/

[Anonymous No.15410169]

>>15407700
what the fuck is this autism

[Anonymous No.15410175]

>>15410128
I had the sweetest black cat and my parents had to put her down when I was in college and they didn’t even tell me lol. I miss her bros

[Anonymous No.15410178]

>>15408395
big poopy head enron musk is losing so much money putting up all these stupid junk satellites.
he is going to go bankrupt soon

[Anonymous No.15410183]

>>15410175
>my parents had to put her down when I was in college and they didn’t even tell me lol
fuck your parents

[Anonymous No.15410184]

>>15410178
Enron kek

[Anonymous No.15410186]

did no one post the new hullo? lots of interesting stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJTAaNkHv0M

[Anonymous No.15410187]

Andy Warhol left a tiny drawing of a dick on the moon.
That is all.

[Anonymous No.15410189]

>>15410186
i did >>15410078

[Anonymous No.15410191]

>>15410178
Don't you know? they call him elmo now.

[Anonymous No.15410193]

>>15410079
many such cases

[Anonymous No.15410197]

For me it’s Rokot

[Anonymous No.15410198]

>>15410191
I don't care what the faggots on twitter and reddit say

[Anonymous No.15410202]

I always listen to Hirasawa when I'm in this general

[Anonymous No.15410203]

>>15410202
Song recommendations?

[Anonymous No.15410209]

>>15410197
POKOT

[Anonymous No.15410210]

>>15410203
Switched-On Lotus. Just listen to his whole solo discography, trust me

[Anonymous No.15410211]

>>15410202
Kino

[Anonymous No.15410214]

>>15410210
Thanks. I’ve been jamming to smashing pumpkins for like the last three weeks. Need to change it up a bit

[Anonymous No.15410247]

>>15409543
Stories with that centre around the human experience > "hard" sci-fi which is nothing more than autism about clumsily extrapolated tech that will never come to pass

[Anonymous No.15410256]

>>15410247
Hard scifi can still focus on the human experience. Look at The Expanse, or Gundam if you're a weeb.

[Anonymous No.15410266]

>>15410256
Expanse is not hard sci-fi. They have literal meme torch drives, nanotech aliens, and stargates.

[Anonymous No.15410269]

>>15410266
ToughSF did the math on the Rocinante and found its performance was at least plausible with laser ignited fusion using fuel wrapped in ice pellets.

[Anonymous No.15410270]

>>15410256
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.15410275]

>>15410269
Why ice pellets?

[Anonymous No.15410276]

>>15410269
>ToughSF
Goodfellas_Jimmy_Conway_mushmind.webp

[Anonymous No.15410278]

>>15410275
It serves double duty in containing deuterium/helium-3 fuel pellets in a hydrogen rich structure and becoming cheap remass when it flashes to steam plasma to increase thrust at the expense of Isp. That's what makes it a torch drive instead of a little putt-putt slow-acceleration fusion boat.

[Anonymous No.15410284]

Do you like your space sci fi to be super serious, or super schlocky? Or somewhere in between?

[Anonymous No.15410287]

>>15410284
I don't like sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.15410295]

>>15409178
They're studying metallic heat shields, so it could still be a Stokelike

[Anonymous No.15410299]

>>15410284
There's a minimum level of human interest I like in my scifi stories. If it's just dry technical bullshit I'll scroll Atomic Rockets instead or play with IRL schizotech ideas. I also want the setting to be honest about what it is. If you're going for full pulp or planetary romance with scantily clad Venusian jungle princesses then don't pretend it's realistic or try to "deconstruct" the genre, just roll with it. If you're writing hard scifi, scifi set in the Star Trek universe, or some other setting with consistent rules and coherent history, then don't try to inject Star Wars drama-changes-the-laws-of-physics nonsense (fuck you nutrek), play within the lines and draw drama from the restrictions.

[Anonymous No.15410301]

>>15409470
There's no way they're building a vehicle designed for only 50 flights. High production rate is the only way that SpaceX ever got reusability to work in the first place

[Anonymous No.15410307]

>>15410284
I can enjoy both.
My only issue is when they try to mix both and fuck up.

[Anonymous No.15410308]

>>15409543
>>15410247
>>15410256
>>15410266
>>15410269
>>15410284
>>15410299
Fuck off nigger

[Anonymous No.15410310]

>>15410308
Fuck you Rick Berman.

[Anonymous No.15410315]

>>15410310
not the scifi thread. go dilate somewhere else
>the trek connection.png

[Anonymous No.15410323]

>>15410310
What is it with Ricks

[Anonymous No.15410356]

STAGE
>>15410355
>>15410355
>>15410355

[Anonymous No.15410357]

>>15410284
Mostly serious, and I can deal with bending the rules of physics a bit. As long as its a good story I don't care.
When someone comes up with a magical whatever device which conviniently lets them escape from the situation, that's not just bad sci-fi, that's bad writing, no matter the genre.

[Anonymous No.15410845]

>>15410315
propulsive landing and re-use of rocket stages was scifi up until it CREATED THIS GENERAL