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Anonymous Mon Apr 24 03:57:47 2023 No.15389424 [Reply] [Original]

Gödel’s incompleteness theorems are bullshit.

https://www.jamesrmeyer.com/pdfs/FFGIT_Meyer.pdf

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 04:03:20 2023 No.15389430 >>15389424 You can be correct for the wrong reasons, Anon. Shit gets meta. Getting mad is just part of the process.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 06:14:05 2023 No.15389621 >>15389424 Where do you people find these crazies?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 11:39:15 2023 No.15390001 >>15389424 Oh my Godel, someone just proved that Godel cannot prove Godel's incompleteness theorem

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:05:47 2023 No.15390053 File: 1.78 MB, 3200x1618, godel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Atheist cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:08:07 2023 No.15390060 >>15390053 Refuted by reality

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:13:36 2023 No.15390073 >>15390060 Define reality and derive your refutation from it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:14:51 2023 No.15390075 >>15390073 Nope, word salads and logic chopping have nothing to do with reality

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:16:39 2023 No.15390078

>>15389621
ad hominem
>>15390053
not an argument.

Just face it. There is no self-reference going on. There is a meta-language interacting with a sub-language. Self-reference isn’t real, actual infinities aren’t real, empty sets are meaningless, there aren’t different “sizes” of limitless quantities, undefinable numbers are useless and fake, etc. Even if Gödel’s theorems were true, it only proves things about pointlessly contrived “self-referential” statements. Whereas all statements that actually are contained by their formal system, and are meaningful, can be proven. The very fact that Gödel “proved” the statement true proves that he created the statement under the umbrella of a broader language

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:18:15 2023 No.15390082 >>15390053 My imaginary magical unicorn exists by this same proof

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:22:52 2023 No.15390089 >>15390082 Prove it.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:30:29 2023 No.15390097

>>15390089
just replace “God” with “magical unicorn.” Look, when you define something to have all positive properties (what does that even entail, exactly?), you basically assume what you are trying to prove, as existence is a positive property. If this proof were actually substantial and logical, then it would be famous

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:34:45 2023 No.15390102 >>15390089 Axiom 3.5: The property of owning a magical pony is positive By T3, God exists and owns a magical pony because god has all positive properties.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:42:04 2023 No.15390118 >>15390097 >if you rename god to unicorn it sounds stupid!! TRUST SCIENCE >>15390102 no problem here, God in his omnipotence could make unicorns if he wished to

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:47:33 2023 No.15390132 >>15390118 where is my unicorn

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:48:24 2023 No.15390135

>>15390118
It's not a matter of wishing it. My proof shows that the magical pony necessarily exists whether god wants it or not. In fact, by including the axiom
Axiom 3.6: The property of gifting magical ponies to anon 15390102 on /sci/ on their 20th birthday is positive
it follows that I was gifted a magical pony on my 20th birthday

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:49:33 2023 No.15390138 >>15390118 >TRUST SCIENCE modern science and mathematics are religions too. You’re the one saying “TRUST MATH” and “TRUST RELIGION” and “TRUST GÖDEL.” And people like me are called “cranks” and “crazies” lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:57:15 2023 No.15390156 >>15390132 learn 2 read >>15390138 >t. mathlet nothing to trust here, it is all derived a priori

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:58:49 2023 No.15390162 >>15390156 Why didn't you reply to my post? >>15390135 Are you jealous or afraid of my magical pony?

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 13:00:03 2023 No.15390166

>>15390156
>it is all derived a priori
right, because monkeys on earth have developed perfect logical systems just based on their experiences on earth across millions of years and because of that we can prove the existence of infinities and gods and unicorns, how could I forget

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:24:04 2023 No.15390312 >>15390156 >it is all derived a priori the "symbols" and language used to set the axioms sure as fuck are not, those are 100% undiluted "trust me bro" copium

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:28:06 2023 No.15390315 >>15389424 >This paper uses straightforward logic and does not rely on any philosophical or semantical arguments Holy shit, what a retard.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:53:27 2023 No.15390358

>>15390078
>The very fact that Gödel “proved” the statement true proves that he created the statement under the umbrella of a broader language
If you think that isn't significant, it's only because you take it for granted. The same year Gödel published his incompleteness proof, Wittgenstein published his spergery concluding one must not do precisely what Gödel did.

Gödel is unpopular on /sci/ because he was the Diogenes to Hilbert's Plato. Incompleteness was his "behold, a man!" moment. Greyfaces who Take This bags Very Seriously don't like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:55:23 2023 No.15390361 >>15390358 *Take Things Very Seriously or just roll with it, whatever

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 15:45:56 2023 No.15390453 >>15390358 Are you a namefag, you sound familiar

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 15:52:21 2023 No.15390464 >>15390358 Gödel is literally a Platonist though. Your analogy sucks

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 15:55:47 2023 No.15390467 >>15390464 Ur mom’s a platonist when she plays witg my cock and balls a ton

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:27:25 2023 No.15390532 >>15390453 never >>15390464 >Gödel is literally a Platonist though Ontologically, yes, kind of. Rhetorically, not really, no. >Your analogy sucks So does your mom when she's spending time with Anon here >>15390467

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:10:36 2023 No.15390632 >>15389430 youth detected likely a nigger

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:12:32 2023 No.15390643 >>15390102 >pony >>15390135 >pony >>15390162 >pony you guys really like to think there's a lot of leniency when it comes to enforcing the rule on ponies, don't you??

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:50:05 2023 No.15390790 >>15390001 curses, the system of humanity can't prove its incompleteness using the system of humanity... wait ain't that just godel?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:53:17 2023 No.15390803 File: 110 KB, 720x641, 1666075609954819.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15390643

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:56:11 2023 No.15390813 oh goodie, thread's gonna get nuked, have a good day lads, even the namespergs

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:57:46 2023 No.15390815 >>15389424 >jamesrmeyer huh, this guy's got a channel as well https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCod8RiRP3Ke1N2ezdQvYTUA

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 18:50:05 2023 No.15390969 Gödel bros… https://www.jamesrmeyer.com/blogs/blog-are-we-alone.php

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 18:52:56 2023 No.15390978 >>15390815 >2 subscribers1 video no one cares jimmy

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:02:48 2023 No.15390994 >>15390803 you're a tolerated rule-breaker posting ponies is a crime here

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