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/sfg/ - Space Flight General Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:02:58 2022 No.15090453 [Reply] [Original]

2023 Celebration Edition

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What are your New Year wishes and predictions?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:05:24 2022 No.15090461 January Starship launch

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:07:38 2022 No.15090464 Shit OP

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:09:34 2022 No.15090468 >>15090461 I predict that Starship won't launch into orbit in 2023.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:11:28 2022 No.15090471 File: 448 KB, 612x1132, memer musk.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] may-may man musk maybe might gonna go to mars

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:11:55 2022 No.15090472 >elon lost $200 billion the martian dream is dead

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:12:32 2022 No.15090475 File: 579 KB, 2000x3000, 1423600843-spacex-falcon-9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15090464 agree. If the OP image includes a human it's probably not good

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:25:06 2022 No.15090490 File: 780 KB, 424x725, ShuttleC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Would it have been kino?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:26:02 2022 No.15090494 >>15090490 It would have been cinema. Shuttle-K would have been kino.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:26:40 2022 No.15090495 >>15090453 Dr. Z wearing that j crew flannel

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:28:29 2022 No.15090500 File: 20 KB, 803x67, Screenshot 2022-12-31 092802.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.relativityspace.com/glhf today

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:30:47 2022 No.15090506 >>15090500 They changed the flight date to ‘January 2023’ unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:31:57 2022 No.15090509 the race for first successful methane rocket launch is on!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:33:18 2022 No.15090510 No scrubs, no unannounced holds, Terran 1 is based and Terran 1 is flying and making orbit first attempt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:36:15 2022 No.15090516 Is this thread a sign of what is to come for 2023 in spaceflight?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:36:46 2022 No.15090518 Explain gimbal lock to me like I'm a woman (low spatial IQ)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:38:59 2022 No.15090523 January Starship launch. If this doesn't happen, then I will move to another industry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:39:31 2022 No.15090526 >>15090494 Dare I say even more KINO than Energia-Polyus?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:40:00 2022 No.15090527 >>15090500 wtf, eric burger bro told me it not gonna happen in 2022

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:40:24 2022 No.15090528 Another year without Starship in orbit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:42:48 2022 No.15090534 >>15090518 . for interest

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:43:59 2022 No.15090536 File: 80 KB, 951x626, STS-76 shuttle bay eva.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15090494 >Shuttle-K what was this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:46:18 2022 No.15090540 >>15090518 I thought you were talking about Kimbal Musk for a second.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:53:39 2022 No.15090551 >>15090526 Energia-Polyus is nothing compared to Energia-T with the 70 tons, 475 isp, Smerch side-upper stage That's the kind of shit to send dozens of tons of nuclear waste to Heliocentric orbit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:56:55 2022 No.15090559 >>15090518 not possible

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:57:52 2022 No.15090561 >>15090551 >send dozens of tons of nuclear waste to Heliocentric orbit. Will this meme ever die?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:59:19 2022 No.15090563 >>15090561 No, brecause it's funny as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:03:32 2022 No.15090571 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjBisqblTLQ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:06:49 2022 No.15090580 >>15090527 it's venting right now, stream goes live in 10 minutes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:09:52 2022 No.15090583 File: 125 KB, 396x382, 1663619670297279.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:10:40 2022 No.15090585 >>15090580 Sweet, drop a link when you get it, I wanna see.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:11:24 2022 No.15090586 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcaBI_I0Td0 I member.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:20:12 2022 No.15090604 >>15090453 I wish the Rocket Lab Venus mission launches during 2023

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:23:33 2022 No.15090613 Happy new year spacefrens

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:25:02 2022 No.15090616 Orbilander or Mobilander?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:48:09 2022 No.15090662 >>15090616 Zoolander

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:48:43 2022 No.15090665 Inb4 euro drunkposting

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:56:15 2022 No.15090676 Any aussiesor kiwis here? I need them to tell me what will happen on 2023

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:56:57 2022 No.15090677 >No falcon 9 >No starship >Mentioned boeing's test flight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjBisqblTLQ NASA really is back in the grip of oldspace huh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:58:41 2022 No.15090680 >>15090676 Starship has already launched for us

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:11:06 2022 No.15090704 I’ve seen enough, The Ariane 5 Syracuse 4B launch slated for February 16th is de facto delayed to June Reasons are satellite integration problems, and high priority to JUICE Don’t be surprised by an officialisation of the delay

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:11:30 2022 No.15090705 >>15090677 Can understand omitting starship but falcon 9 is just petty

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:14:54 2022 No.15090711 File: 48 KB, 727x291, Screenshot 2022-12-31 111416.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The bribe is in also Hullo is older than I realized

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:19:39 2022 No.15090716 >>15090704 >high priority to JUICE Better than ISRO, who delayed Chandrayaan-3 for the sake of a internet constellation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:22:23 2022 No.15090722 >>15090704 >high priority to JUICE Nice. Hopefully everything goes fine with that mission.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:25:36 2022 No.15090727 >>15090716 Sirs in our defence it paid top money

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:36:16 2022 No.15090740 >>15090711 based swagmaster

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:40:35 2022 No.15090750 >>15090705 you don't need to announce every 747 flight do you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:46:49 2022 No.15090756 What did he mean by this? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1609254628113420290

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:49:17 2022 No.15090761 >>15090756 >Elon actually making a funny joke The future is now. Mars we're coming

Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:51:55 2022 No.15090763
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I just played Moonbase Alpha for the first time a little while ago. It made me really nostalgic about the Constellation program era. Even though it was every bit as retarded and wasteful as Artemis, it was a lot easier to swallow back when they were actually somewhat serious about a permanent base.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:55:22 2022 No.15090769 File: 93 KB, 980x480, slider-cristoforetti1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rogozin got his dick blown off lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:56:11 2022 No.15090771 >>15090769 that's fake info

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:57:10 2022 No.15090774 >>15090769 I think /uhg/ is more your speed bud

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:58:05 2022 No.15090776 >>15090771 Everything out if russia could be lies Wartime making me schizophrenic

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:58:54 2022 No.15090778 >>15090756 Krystal would have been better than this

Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:59:22 2022 No.15090779

>>15090716
The ISRO is always the worst funded out of the major space agencies. It almost looked like they might be able to carve out a portion of the commercial market for themselves but then SpaceX started launching the Falcon 9 and destroyed everyone's long term plans. I wouldn't be too hard on them doing something to get some extra revenue in their programs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 19:04:14 2022 No.15090787 >>15090779 Alright, good luck for them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 19:05:09 2022 No.15090788 God some retard is wreaking havoc on /g/ by copypasting chat gpt responses. You can tell because it's always a wall of text. Stay safe out there you guys and don't get baited

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 19:11:05 2022 No.15090798 >>15090788 terminally online stay safe sweety

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 19:12:36 2022 No.15090801 >>15090798 Terminally stinky

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 19:17:18 2022 No.15090807 >>15090801 <3 let's go to the stars together

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 19:19:24 2022 No.15090809 File: 170 KB, 887x669, dd rocks b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 19:33:52 2022 No.15090856 >>15090756 I made pizza last night, I knew he was stalking me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:11:56 2022 No.15090915 File: 130 KB, 512x536, sfg deadest .jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:14:04 2022 No.15090919 >>15090915 frohes neues

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:14:56 2022 No.15090921 >>15090915 >/sfg/ has no posts for a few minutes >OMG /SFG/ IS DEAD Calm down your adhd ass, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:24:54 2022 No.15090924 >>15090921 superfan

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:28:31 2022 No.15090931 >>15090921 /sfg/ is usually at its worst when it's busy anyways

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:30:42 2022 No.15090933 Any news from those EVA suits being developed for Artemis and SpaceX? Haven't heard anything about them lately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:38:46 2022 No.15090940 >>15090933 Development is slow, but NASA said they were happy with Axiom/Collin's progress earlier this month. The suits should be ready for Artemis III in 2026-27.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:41:30 2022 No.15090944 >>15090518 I want to go on a date with you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:45:56 2022 No.15090951 >>15090518 squirt for me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:45:58 2022 No.15090952 >>15090771 we have visual confirmation of stage separation

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:49:08 2022 No.15090954 >>15090518 I'm sorry, what did you say? I spaced out

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:52:00 2022 No.15090959 >>15090453 >We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity What did Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:53:12 2022 No.15090960 >>15090954 The amount of keks that were had

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:53:47 2022 No.15090963 >>15090518 Gimbal lock is when two of the three axis of rotation get lined up, so you lose the ability to rotate in one axis.

Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:56:56 2022 No.15090967

>>15090959
It's a classic overestimation of the capability of the government's secret toys while going all in on the idea that the only groups that can make serious space travel possible are the established oldspace players. It's the nonsensical mumblings of a man doomed to be forgotten by time. It means nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:57:04 2022 No.15090969 File: 273 KB, 641x697, orbit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15090959 That he's a MIC glowie who thinks you'll believe anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:01:31 2022 No.15090973 >>15090959 We have a decent glimpse of the cool stuff as far as the 80s thanks to the Soviet collapse After we got into the IT age and good old vehicles and weapons are not where the best stuff will be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:04:40 2022 No.15090978 >>15090959 Basically Lockheed Martin could leapfrog SpaceX and embarrass Musk at any time, but they choose not to because there are more important things to do

Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:04:49 2022 No.15090979
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Speaking of black projects, is that Black Ice/Blackstar spaceplane ever going to be declassified? Was it even built? Supposedly it's real, but we've never seen proof of anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:05:23 2022 No.15090981 >>15090979 It's not real.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:08:00 2022 No.15090984 >>15090981 If the SLS can be real, anything can be! :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:12:23 2022 No.15090987 Thank you insight, for giving me insight inside mars

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:51:48 2022 No.15091024 File: 1.18 MB, 6000x4000, 1645480576394.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Official /sfg/ Starship launch prediction? im guessing March

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:54:05 2022 No.15091028 I feel guilty for not being excited about the ISS. It's all routine stuff by this point, but it's still a impressive project, and I fear it could all end one like like Apollo did.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:54:49 2022 No.15091029 >>15091024 January 14th

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:55:06 2022 No.15091030 >>15091024 2 weeks

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:55:14 2022 No.15091031 >>15091024 Q2, 2025

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 21:55:53 2022 No.15091033 >>15091024 Q3

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:14:22 2022 No.15091059 woo its the next year

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:17:33 2022 No.15091063 >>15090583 fail, what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:18:35 2022 No.15091065 File: 118 KB, 411x403, dPsvrceoLLdivvrrfaoAxwzqukkayxxwws.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15090583

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:19:54 2022 No.15091068 File: 1 KB, 125x125, 1610164654710s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091059 >timestamp: 1 year ago

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:20:44 2022 No.15091069 >>15091065 It already has.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:21:32 2022 No.15091070 happy new year, lads

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:25:15 2022 No.15091074 who are the eurofags who are already in the next year?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:28:38 2022 No.15091078 >>15091074 Finland

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:30:32 2022 No.15091079 https://youtu.be/vE9skWchF4I congratulations sfg

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:35:05 2022 No.15091085 File: 209 KB, 676x1024, Georgi_ivanov-676x1024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091074

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:42:08 2022 No.15091097 >>15091024 January 6th flying the Trump flag and lands on the white house

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 23:05:19 2022 No.15091126 https://twitter.com/NerdDashboards/status/1609220036383887360 Raptor tests statistics

Anonymous Sat Dec 31 23:08:36 2022 No.15091128

I was wondering
How will Martian holidays be? I guess the Martian new years eve will be the big one, the first landing day too, maybe something smaller to celebrate probes. I guess people will keep celebrating earth holidays like Christmas, but these will follow the Earth calendar instead of the Martian one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 23:08:43 2022 No.15091129 >>15091126 713 Raptor tests this year Avg of 58secs Longest @ 385s 97% we're sea level raptors Also Merlin engine was tested 215 times

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 23:17:22 2022 No.15091139 >>15090453 Happy New Year /sgf/ I'm in Europe for the next two years, but when I return to the States I'll do everything I can to see a Starship launch in person

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 23:32:24 2022 No.15091153 HAPPY NEW YEAR SFG

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 23:38:54 2022 No.15091159 >>15091153 Still got 9 hours to new year. Stop time traveling to the past.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:04:27 2023 No.15091183 >>15091159 It's already 2023 in civilized parts of the world

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:08:01 2023 No.15091188 >>15091183 "Civilized" part of the world doesn't have the world's most powerful rocket nor the 2nd most powerful nor the third nor the 4th nor the 5th and so on. Thus irrelevant lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:09:18 2023 No.15091189 >>15091188 Yeah but can you call le 56% country civilized outside of the african american rocket and car companies?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:09:47 2023 No.15091190 >>15091128 Hmmm what will Martian crucifixions be like for those that follow the heretic earther calender and holidays be like??

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:10:13 2023 No.15091191 >>15091189 Gotta love how the rest of the world has to blamescape America to feel good about itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:11:28 2023 No.15091193 >>15091191 Cope

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:12:46 2023 No.15091194 >>15091193 You're doing plenty for the both of us, lel

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:13:50 2023 No.15091195 >>15091194 You've taken all the copium available already, therefore I cannot be coping

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:16:10 2023 No.15091198 >>15091195 Oh lord you're Russian, lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:16:57 2023 No.15091201 File: 556 KB, 498x288, 1671376714474.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091198

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:25:06 2023 No.15091212

It has just hit me, SpaceX made little to no progress on oil rigs because they have no idea how to do it. Stage Zero in Starbase is still pretty much a work in progress and replicating that infrastructure on a small, sea-going vessel would be one or two orders of magnitude more difficult.
They should have bought that Kittyhawk.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:25:15 2023 No.15091213 Gayest series of posts

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:27:10 2023 No.15091214 >>15091213 kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:28:40 2023 No.15091215 So is Terran 1 flying tonight or no

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:30:13 2023 No.15091219 The mars colony will start a new race of ubermensch

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:35:06 2023 No.15091222 File: 18 KB, 190x623, martian lanklet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091219 gets jaw broken by a teenage Earth girl

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:40:06 2023 No.15091228 >>15091222 Humans didn't become a super species due to physical strength. Just saying. A dog can maul you to death. A cat can scratch you to death. What matters is the mind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 00:56:19 2023 No.15091243 I'm not sure if this was a good year for SpaceX or not. In one hand, they broke a ton of records with all the Falcon launches. In the other hand, Starship had no launches this year.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:01:56 2023 No.15091254

>>15091243
>61 Falcon launches
>About half of them are payloads for customers
>Profit per launch is probably in excess of $40 million
>Starlink has broken $1.2 billion in annual revenue
They've probably made almost half as much money as they've spent this year despite building a rocket bigger than the Saturn V and being in the middle of an internet constellation buildout. That's a good year in my book.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:11:15 2023 No.15091268 >>15091254 Kind of insane how quickly starlink revenue is catching up to the launch revenue. Telecom OP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:20:33 2023 No.15091281 >>15091268 ROI on Starlink is probably ~3-4 years imo. But is declining to 2-3 years soon. Thats a pretty good ROI.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:21:30 2023 No.15091286 >>15091243 watching all the build out to meet the logistics needs for the starship over the year has made it kind of clear to me that it was 100% not ready for anything serious and we were living in Elon Time

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:24:06 2023 No.15091293 >>15091286 What's your bet for the orbital launch date?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:24:20 2023 No.15091295 >>15091254 Starlink also passed 1mil active users.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:27:54 2023 No.15091310

>>15091286
Wrong. Logistics isnt the issue. The issue is always about FAA's safety regulations. If FAA had given approval, SpaceX would have launched atleast 3-5 Fully Stacked Starships. Chances of success however would have been lower. Political blowbacks would have been harder. So SpaceX was forced to retool for safety first. With NASA, FAA, US Gov oversight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:34:29 2023 No.15091321 >>15090978 Like what important things

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:37:49 2023 No.15091329
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>>15090453
Always wanted to get to space. I became a helicopter pilot, and it's great fun. But, it makes me sad sometimes thinking about how it's very unlikely that I'll ever leave the atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:38:04 2023 No.15091331 >>15090959 >>15090978 >>15091321 >Musk is a FRAUD!! >If I HAD THE MONEY LIKE MUSK I COULD DO IT TOO!! SPACEX IS FRAUD!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:43:51 2023 No.15091335 >>15091329 Would you go in a one-way Starship to Mars?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:46:06 2023 No.15091337 >>15091329 Work hard Save money Have couple millions by the time you're in 50s-60s. Sell house. Add few more. Buy Starship ride to Mars.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:47:50 2023 No.15091339 >>15091293 Whenever Elon gets bored of Twitter

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:51:14 2023 No.15091344 >>15091321 Helping Ukraine

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:51:33 2023 No.15091346 >>15091293 NET February realistically, but January will have cool stuff like the 33 engine test

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:52:35 2023 No.15091348 >>15091331 If these people had all the money Musk does they'd spend it all on funko pops

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:54:23 2023 No.15091351 >>15091293 Unknown, but at this stage, the best optimistic date is prob end of Jan. No one knows what "realistic" date is, unless they have secret information.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:54:37 2023 No.15091352 >>15091344 Spacex is doing it better

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:54:56 2023 No.15091353 >>15091344 He said important things, not current thing

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:55:23 2023 No.15091354 >>15090472 careful, he might do another 69/420 joke and lose another 100 billion

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:57:45 2023 No.15091361 >>15091335 Nah, it's not much of a feat if you don't return imho.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:59:04 2023 No.15091364 >>15091337 Nah, I'd want to be part of a mission, or be employed in space. I don't want to be a passenger, I want to be at the controls.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:00:17 2023 No.15091367 >>15091364 Rich gives you gaurantees. "employment" gives you less than 0.0001% chance of going to space.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:00:45 2023 No.15091368 File: 76 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault-4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091344 If we had put more effort into space Marines, we could have finished it by now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:01:18 2023 No.15091369 >>15091364 Either you care about going to space or you care about employment. There can only be 1 true master

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:01:30 2023 No.15091370 >>15091348 Not sure this is the diss you think it is

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:02:07 2023 No.15091372 File: 94 KB, 600x800, IMG_20221121_145927.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091367 Yeah, like I said in my first post anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:03:57 2023 No.15091375 >>15091369 Yeah, I mean, I won't be going to space. I don't have any illusions about that. I suppose if I was born a bit later I could have a chance at being a ferry pilot to the moon and back or some such.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:04:22 2023 No.15091377 >>15091337 OR I can simply stowaway and catch a free ride to the moon or mars. What are they going to do when they catch me mid journey, turn it around? I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:06:16 2023 No.15091379 >>15091377 You can win powerball so you can work as a mechanic on a boat or Work hard to pay your bills on time, so you can buy a boat

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:08:21 2023 No.15091380 >>15091352 you dont know 1% of what you think you know

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:09:48 2023 No.15091383 >>15091377 >What are they going to do when they catch me mid journey, turn it around? Have you ever read "The Cold Equations," by Tom Goodwin?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:13:36 2023 No.15091388 >>15091344 How are they helping? They didnt give away anything for free.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:15:23 2023 No.15091390 How light will an astronaut in the moon feel if they are inside a hab and without the EVA suit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:17:38 2023 No.15091395 >>15090711 I actually figured he was already in his early 50s. And tory is based and one of the few reasons to have a twitter account. He'll actually engage with low-follower accounts if they have interesting things to say. He'd fun to argue with.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:18:44 2023 No.15091397 >>15091390 take your meds

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:19:49 2023 No.15091398 >>15091395 >engaging with a snake

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:20:44 2023 No.15091399 >>15091024 early q2 but it fails miserably on reentry and they take two more tries to have a successful landing in q2 2024 with a rocket with full fucking shuttle-style tiles and white blankets on the rest of the structure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:22:24 2023 No.15091402 File: 123 KB, 768x1024, 20221226_201924.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091390 they will feel light as a feather, it's true

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:22:25 2023 No.15091403 >>15091398 he's not a snake he's just an oldspace boomer sperg who can't understand engineering for cost rather than efficiency.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:24:43 2023 No.15091407 >>15091403 You haven't done a hundredth of him

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:24:50 2023 No.15091408

Why is it taking so long for China to phase out it's hypergolic boosters? I just don't get it, they know it's a dead end technology and had modern liquid fueled rockets since 2014. The handling and transfer of such a toxic fuel adds a lot of extra cost, especially the PR hit when they land on villages and you can stop investing money and manpower into obsolete production tech and instead further invest in modern engines for extra economies of scale.

They are slowly phasing it out, but at this rate, they will have reusable F9 clones before the last hypergolic launch.

It does seem like the Chinese space program is ultra-modern in some areas- they're probably going to get reusable rockets faster than Europe or Blue Origin, but extremely backwards in other areas- they're probably going to be still flying hypergolics in the same year they develop their F9 clone. I wonder why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:26:36 2023 No.15091412 >>15091408 didnt read cope gweilo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:27:51 2023 No.15091413 >>15091408 whoever has the ear of Xi gets their shit done the way they wanted

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:28:34 2023 No.15091414 >>15091215 No it is over

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:29:11 2023 No.15091415 >>15091403 He's a known liar. He lies about being the cheapest rocket.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:30:03 2023 No.15091416 >>15091215 11:59, trust the plan -t

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:42:35 2023 No.15091431 spending new year's eve alone on fucking sfg again, oh god

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:44:18 2023 No.15091433 >>15091431 sad im with friends

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:45:55 2023 No.15091435 >>15091433 send a photo to prove it liar

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:50:41 2023 No.15091441 >>15091433 eh, you guys are my only friends, happy new year and all that

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:52:34 2023 No.15091442 File: 1.43 MB, 3024x4032, compressed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091435

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:54:26 2023 No.15091443 >>15091442 nice gay bar you fag lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:57:04 2023 No.15091444 >>15091443 get a grip

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 02:58:16 2023 No.15091445

>>15091408
Just because the technology has undesirable features doesn't mean it isn't cost effective. China is still ramping up production of the hydrocarbon engines and needs a lot of simple, cheap, reliable rockets in the Soyuz/Antares weight class to launch all of the spysat clusters they keep sending up, and that's a job the LM-4C and 2D work fine at.

Also, China doesn't give a shit about landing their rocket debris on other people, and they won't until a LM-5B core comes down on European or American territory.

You're probably right about getting reusablity before they get rid of the last hypergolic vehicle. China's actually ahead of everyone else in designing the 2nd propulsively recovered reusable rocket, although they're throwing a bunch of teams at the problem and seeing who managed to solve the problem first just like they did with their new solid fuel smallsat launchers.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:09:34 2023 No.15091451

>>15091445
It’s interesting that China has so many rockets currently active instead of consolidating into a few production lines
>Long March 2C (medium LEO)
>Long March 2D (medium LEO)
>Long March 2F (Crewed LEO)
>Long March 3A (small GTO)
>Long March 3B (large GTO)
>Long March 3C (medium GTO)
>Long March 4B (medium LEO)
>Long March 4C (Medium LEO)
>Long March 5 and 5B (Heavy LEO/Lunar)
>Long March 6 (Small LEO)
>Long March 6A (Medium LEO)
>Long March 7 (Medium LEO)
>Long March 7A (Large GTO)
>Long March 8 (Medium LEO)
>Long March 11 (Small LEO)

They have so many rockets and variants in production that it spits in the face of the philosophy of minimizing production lines to lower costs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:11:06 2023 No.15091452 >>15091451 think some of that is just overinvestment in production as is typical to chase mandated GDP rates

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:16:23 2023 No.15091457 >>15091451 I thought all those shared components. Also, where is LM 1/9/10?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:19:05 2023 No.15091461 >>15091457 1 existed in the 70s as babby's first converted ICBM 9 is earmarked for the super heavy rocket

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:23:33 2023 No.15091467 happy new year from bruhzil

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:25:00 2023 No.15091469

>>15091451
There's a lot of commonality between the different numbered types. The letters are usually denoting differences in upper stages or boosters that would optimize them for different trajectories.

They also might be doing it to grow their talent pool. Their plan for designing a Vega/Minotaur equivalent was to have a bunch of different teams grab a preexisting ICBM (DF-21, 26, 31, 41, etc) and start trying to add upper stages to it, which produced the Ceres, Hyperbola, Jielong 1/2, Kaituozhe, etc. There was a lot of overlap in capability, but even if the design the team came up with wasn't the most successful of the batch it still increased the overall pool of experienced engineers.

>>15091452
And some of it is almost certainly due to internal politics. China has their own issues with dueling production bureaus competing for political love and attention. It's not as bad as when Korolev and Chelomei decided they hated living on the same planet as each other, but it's there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:26:37 2023 No.15091471 >>15091451 Old space mentality sadge

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:29:23 2023 No.15091477 >>15091467 Another fellow UTC-3 anon I see, happy new year from argentina

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:39:21 2023 No.15091488 >>15091477 Congrats for the world cup, boludo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:46:32 2023 No.15091494 >>15091451 literally me in ksp ro fuck tooling

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 03:53:03 2023 No.15091501 >>15091488 gracias, che.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:03:30 2023 No.15091518 https://youtu.be/V4ddnrBT6hE >Water is a good shield against radiation how? I did not know that. Explain this to me /sfg/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:04:03 2023 No.15091520 >>15091518 tl;dr hydrogen has a good radiation absorption cross section.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:04:35 2023 No.15091521 >>15090915 Sfg has been dead since the anime tranny raid

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:07:28 2023 No.15091526 >>15091520 huh. Ironic considering it's used in the most powerful of nuclear bombs. I guess being the first element has it's versatilities.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:09:36 2023 No.15091528 >>15091526 That, and the fact tritium-deuterium reactions spit out high energy neutrons when fused and offer greatly enhanced fission yield, is precisely why it's used in thermonuclear bombs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:12:53 2023 No.15091533 first for pulsed solid core torchship wen

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:15:51 2023 No.15091541 >>15091533 >first based drunk poster

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:22:36 2023 No.15091555 File: 50 KB, 768x419, download.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091518 Pics related for various levels of radiation blocking effectiveness. Stainless steel has some natural radiation protection as well

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:23:36 2023 No.15091556 File: 1.06 MB, 1080x1253, Screenshot_20221229-134438~2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091344 I've asked about important things, not kike bullshit.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:24:22 2023 No.15091557
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>>15091555
2nd image, has plastic as more effective radiation blockers.

Also modern research is on flexible plastic polymer that works as radiations blockers which can be made into clothing materials and possibly building/material cover materials, like a car cover.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:27:24 2023 No.15091560 >>15091557 >clothing materials and possibly building/material not happening kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:33:12 2023 No.15091563 File: 66 KB, 1100x825, ap22308595209337-1e10f0b3a983ddea4f2731fdeda552958f9a9339-s1100-c50.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What did he mean by this? https://twitter.com/ElonMusk/status/1609406401180479488

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:36:32 2023 No.15091567 >>15091563 >Didn't even do a nsfw one

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:40:01 2023 No.15091573 >>15091563 liberals seething

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:41:34 2023 No.15091578 >>15091567 It's hotter when you can use your imagination, coomer scum. Not everything has to have cocks in it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:42:43 2023 No.15091580 File: 3.41 MB, 1600x1136, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] redpill me on o'neill cylinders

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:45:44 2023 No.15091581 >>15091580 Tubular

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:52:27 2023 No.15091585 >>15091580 stop reading pop sci bullshit anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:54:15 2023 No.15091587 File: 1.09 MB, 1714x2926, Mark-III_D-RATS_2004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15090763 I will miss the Mark III suit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:57:03 2023 No.15091589 File: 214 KB, 220x221, CB28F9CB-017C-4675-8D0F-5491F477BC8C.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091563

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 05:04:00 2023 No.15091595 File: 113 KB, 478x450, zip.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091563

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 05:06:21 2023 No.15091597 File: 235 KB, 1170x643, F2828D62-7572-401C-A41D-B1EA2C70D18E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The worm on a saturn feels… illicit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 05:07:48 2023 No.15091602 >>15091597 holy shit I miss this rocket like you wouldn’t believe bros

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 05:10:50 2023 No.15091603 >>15091602 I'm watching Apollo documentaries on Youtube, and it's so depressing seeing the program get both better and also losing support as the missions go on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 05:17:12 2023 No.15091611 File: 1.12 MB, 2012x968, 1671503855036112.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091467 happy new year from Colombia branon

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 05:40:50 2023 No.15091643
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>>15091580
>flatspace for low dV shipping
>access to micro-g's and hard vacuum for manufacturing
>arbitrary g loads and atmosphere composition
>can choose who your neighbors are
>inertial mass driver
>Bezos-approved

Through ingenuity and brute force of will, humanity will nourish a garden from dead rocks in the void.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSsWkooeIds

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 05:49:28 2023 No.15091652 >>15091563 Its OVER! He's lost it! Biden will nationalize SpaceX.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 05:59:44 2023 No.15091672 >>15091587 Tell you what: I’ll bring it back when I start my own Spacefaring company with additions and modifications

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:03:15 2023 No.15091675 >>15091643 opening line >[...] we can build self-sufficient dwellings in space within the next two decades, solving many of the earth's problems did people in the 70s really think a space utopia was only 20 years away?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:07:01 2023 No.15091677 >>15091675 It gets even wackier. Right now on this thread there are anon who believe Martian colonization will start during this century.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:18:31 2023 No.15091685 File: 96 KB, 500x745, tumblr_nkyqmwVzd11qjih96o1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091675 Everyone still believed in the Shuttle

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:27:11 2023 No.15091694 it's mpre than a bj bros

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:28:28 2023 No.15091696 >>15091694 What could he have meant by this...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:43:20 2023 No.15091721 >>15091694 ha, i think I remember your post, the milf neighbor?

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:47:28 2023 No.15091727
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>The year is 2043
>You are in a mission to Mars
>The water systems in your Starship got fucked up
>You get the computer to search for the file with instructions for fixing the issue
>Mission control instructs you to open a file called wetsystem.pdf
>Its file size is 1 gigabyte
>You open it
>It's all Krystal images

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:58:10 2023 No.15091737 Starship will launch this year.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 06:58:53 2023 No.15091738 >>15091737 not a wild claim

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 07:01:08 2023 No.15091744 File: 680 KB, 1080x607, 1633653727592.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091727 It's what they did on Dragon when the toilet broke

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 07:03:41 2023 No.15091751 >>15091737 based samoa poster fuck the faa, starship venting as we speak, fire the raptors elon

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 08:51:56 2023 No.15091805 >>15090453 wow, 2023. well. nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 08:54:31 2023 No.15091809 >>15091024 February 18th, 2023

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 08:58:22 2023 No.15091812 File: 69 KB, 452x363, soy smug 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091228 >What matters is the mind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 08:58:52 2023 No.15091813 >>15091677 If Starship succeeds there is no reason that isn't possible. Or are you a pessimist who just thinks SpaceX will fail?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 08:59:35 2023 No.15091815 >>15091329 >Always wanted to get to space. I became a helicopter pilot Idiot, rotor craft can't go above the atmosphere. You went about it all wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 09:02:55 2023 No.15091819 >>15091383 >"The Cold Equations," Oldspace "every gram counts" bullcrap. In the actual space age, environmental systems will have enough safety margin and space capacity to easily handle a cheeky stowaway.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 09:18:01 2023 No.15091826

I fucking hate space flight and all the justed trivia and slimy oldspace back room dealings and constant “uhhhhh we’ve been there,” “uhhhhh muh jobs,” “uhhhhh vagina of color on the moon” bullshit, I hate starship slowing to a complete halt, I hate the millions of small launcher scam companies, I hate that 99% of space flight fans with accounts on social media are huge progressives and trannies, I fucking hate it all
Yet every single fucking day—without fail—I log on to /sfg/ and talk about the same 5 fucking topics over and over again

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 09:28:49 2023 No.15091832 >>15091826 Ok.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 09:34:00 2023 No.15091836 >>15091826 kys

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 10:08:57 2023 No.15091861 File: 123 KB, 592x900, the_pacifist-richard_hescox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091826 An appropriate reaction. Personally, I like to think of watching cities burn from orbit as I go to bed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 10:10:18 2023 No.15091863 >>15091737 But how many times?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 10:15:16 2023 No.15091869 >>15091826 Y the antisemitism?

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 10:22:35 2023 No.15091875
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>>15091580
Picture this: massive orgy at Princeton University. Participants are all impressionable freshmen and a few sophomores. The host? None other than Gerard K O'Neill. What happened beyond closed doors was something no one had thought about before. It was so simple, but it could never have been discovered by anyone else. It was at that orgy 48 years ago that Jerry and his students all fucked, and believe me it really was a raunchy fuck. They conceived that day a grand idea that was so simple, so practical, staring them in the face but everyone else was too blind to see. Megalithic cylinders were the answer, it was so much more easy to do than going to Mars. How stupid colonizing planets is when you could simply break a planet down into constituent parts and make tubes 100s of km long and spin then and create self sustaining biospheres. It's that easy, and no one else could see it. Jerry and his kids and the L5 society scientifically proved the hypothesis beyond reasonable doubt. They wrote an academic paper.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 10:28:09 2023 No.15091877 >>15091819 Apparently you can thank the editor/publisher for that, ending was changed to create more drama

>>	N Sun Jan 1 10:28:14 2023 No.15091878 File: 61 KB, 511x599, Screenshot_25.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15090453 just two more weeks

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 10:38:53 2023 No.15091885

>>15091875
this guy single handedly inspired Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world (Ceo of Amazon) and he built his own space company called Blue Origin based off it. it's impressive because they are going to reuse the rockets and open the "high frontier" as Gerry calles it

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 10:41:56 2023 No.15091890

I used to think the “chink shills” here and on other boards were mostly westerners being ironic/retarded but after having moved to Australia and working with Chinese nationals (not western born Chinese) I have concluded that they really are Like That. It’s extra fucking bizarre when you know the person in question moved for better education/money/freedom.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 11:07:34 2023 No.15091901 >>15090711 wholesome interaction

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 11:10:24 2023 No.15091902 >>15090959 this is a LARP. Former head of the Israeli intelligence agency did this too when he said there were aliens on the Moon or something

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 11:11:25 2023 No.15091905 >>15091902 Maybe if you know too much the glowies hit you with a schizo ray when you retire so you can’t talk

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 11:11:43 2023 No.15091906 >>15091129 >713 Raptor tests this year I wonder how many times were RS-25 tested before they flew for real

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 11:27:27 2023 No.15091916 >>15091906 RS-25: 110,253 seconds in 726 tests before STS-1 flew RD-0120: 120,454 seconds in 653 tests before Buran flew

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 11:37:37 2023 No.15091919 >>15091916 >>15091906 713 Raptor tests with 58s avg = 41,354 seconds of test Its getting close

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 11:55:14 2023 No.15091927 >>15091905 makes sense but do you have a source?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:17:27 2023 No.15091956 >>15091885 The only thing impressive about Blue Origin is that they have practically infinite money yet hasn't even made it to orbit, instead settling on becoming oldspace.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:24:54 2023 No.15091964 >>15091927 They’re using it on me because I discovered proof of the one electron universe

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:31:28 2023 No.15091968 File: 33 KB, 900x823, apu_sad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >people unironically believe "le hysterical american woman drilled the Soyuz" narrative

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:32:50 2023 No.15091971 >>15091968 Why wouldn't they? It's perfectly in line with the American mentality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:33:56 2023 No.15091973 >>15091971 Drunken incompetence and then hiding your mistake is however perfectly in line with Russian mentality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:35:06 2023 No.15091978 >>15091973 Sounds like cope to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:37:30 2023 No.15091983 >>15091978 The cope came from the hysterical drunkard fascist pidor Rogozin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:46:34 2023 No.15091993 >>15091956 >instead settling on becoming oldspace. Bezos got exactly what he wanted with his hires then

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:47:23 2023 No.15091995 >>15091983 You are screeching like a hysterical American woman as we speak, so why does it surprise you that people attribute apelike irrationality and lack of emotional control with Americans? That's the bottom line of the matter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:50:36 2023 No.15091999 >>15091995 Post OK-1.02, Ivan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:52:51 2023 No.15092002 >>15091973 Remember, Russia is the country where a worker in its aerospace industry used a MALLET to hammer in the gyro for a proton upside down, leading to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycRVAcZC5R4

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:53:39 2023 No.15092003 >>15091999 >>15091995 >>15091983 >>15091978 >>15091973 >>15091971 >>15091968 All me btw

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:55:28 2023 No.15092004 >>15092002 Where the fuck was the range officer with the self-destruct button, or do slavchimps even have those?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:56:52 2023 No.15092005 Do you even need any neutron protection in space? Since free neutrons are hopelessly unstable

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:58:10 2023 No.15092007 [DELETED]

>>15091999
It's really funny to watch American nationalistic chest-pounding in 2023, when it's already clear to everyone that your corpse of a nation is animated by internationalist corporate and banking cartels. Either way, all I'm saying is that even if Ivan had done it acceidentally, he wouldn't have such success pinning it on others, if it wans't for the presence of irrational, hysterical American apes that would do such a thing intentionally.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:58:37 2023 No.15092008

>>15092004
Probably passed out drunk.
But yes, that was a gyro designed to only go in one way, it was hammered in with a mallet. It's not really far fetched that another worker in the same corrupt industry accidentally drilled a hole then covered it up with gum and paint or whatever.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:01:47 2023 No.15092011

>>15092007
Not even American, but it's clear you're a butt-blasted jealous thirdworlder, posting from some shithole where the road isn't even paved.
>if it wans't for the presence of irrational, hysterical American apes that would do such a thing intentionally.
Are these Americans in the room with us right now?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:02:25 2023 No.15092012 File: 13 KB, 275x269, anons-date.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092011 >Not even American

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:02:58 2023 No.15092014 >>15092008 Lol, Russians are literally Kerbals, but without the charm. >>15092012 Rent free.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:05:06 2023 No.15092019 >>15092005 Any neutrons worth worrying about will be from the ship's power system itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:06:50 2023 No.15092022 >>15092019 On Starship?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:07:34 2023 No.15092024 >>15092002 Fucking kino launch failure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqW0LEcTAYg

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:08:00 2023 No.15092025

>>15091902
Ya sure thing bud, Skunkworks is a larp, it's not like they are at the cutting edge of every aeronautical breakthrough of the last century or anything. Face it, lockheed martin will build a moon colony with black project tech decades before space x.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:19:28 2023 No.15092034
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>Russian space program is clearly having troubles and is slowly devolving into a shitshow
>Soyuz MS-09 has a hole in it
>MS-10 can't even reach orbit
>Nauka constantly glitches, loses telemetry and propulsion, then starts burning thrusters while docked, sending the ISS into a spin
>then it happens AGAIN, this time Soyuz MS-18 firing its thrusters, because some drunkard on the ground sent the commands in the wrong order
>"b-b-but the hole COULD have been an American's fault, according to our lore of Americans"
Slavchimps hysterically clinging to their asspull narratives to save face AT ALL COSTS is like a genetic trait.

I remember even with Phobos-Grunt they immediately screeched foreign sabotage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:21:28 2023 No.15092038 >>15092034 See >>15092007 and then chimp out some more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:22:18 2023 No.15092041 >>15091556 That's literally the textbook Putin-apologist argument, Joe Hamburger from Oklahoma-oblast.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:23:25 2023 No.15092044 File: 3.40 MB, 298x298, vatnigger.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092038 Oh no, it's stuck in a loop.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:24:08 2023 No.15092045 File: 160 KB, 1397x817, 32326.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092044

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:28:24 2023 No.15092052
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>"it was foreign sabotage"
>"it was an American radar on the Marshall Islands"
>"it was counterfeit chips"
>"it was cosmic radiation (in LEO, somehow)"
>On 6 February 2012, the commission investigating the mishap concluded that Fobos-Grunt mission failed because of "a programming error which led to a simultaneous reboot of two working channels of an onboard computer". The craft's rocket pack never fired due to the computer reboot, leaving the craft stranded in Earth orbit.[74][75] Although the specific failure was identified, experts suggest it was the culmination of poor quality control,[76][77] lack of testing,[78] security issues and corruption.[79]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:31:55 2023 No.15092058 >>15092034 At what point do they jettison off the Russian portion of the ISS for the safety of the rest of the crew?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:33:06 2023 No.15092063 >>15092002 Brain drain man, you'd have to be a retard to actually stay in Russia if you are unfortunately born there

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:33:20 2023 No.15092065 >>15092058 Presumably when "they" figure out how to launch their astronauts into space. lol

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:39:11 2023 No.15092075

>>15092063
It's far more than brain drain. It's a syndrome that occurs in every country that either suffers from or suffered from communism. It's a culture of lies at every level where you cover your own ass. Someone under you fucked up? He'll lie about it, if you find out about it, you'll lie to your superior and so on and so forth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:40:15 2023 No.15092077 File: 716 KB, 720x977, 1617308390293.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091956

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:40:22 2023 No.15092078 [DELETED]

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>>15092075
>It's a culture of lies at every level where you cover your own ass. Someone under you fucked up? He'll lie about it, if you find out about it, you'll lie to your superior and so on and so forth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:41:13 2023 No.15092079 >>15092058 As soon as America evicts the squatters from the USS Zarya.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:41:47 2023 No.15092081 >>15092075 Anon that’s just humans

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:47:16 2023 No.15092088 >>15092078 >vatnigger can't stop screeching with the "NO U"-s Cope, seethe, dilate, post Buran, post Ptichka, post Phobos-Grunt, post Spektr, post Soyuz MS-09, post Soyuz MS-10, post VDV. post Moskva, post Kherson, post Bakhmut.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:47:24 2023 No.15092089 >>15092065 Maybe the news never reached you vatnik but the dragon crew capsule exsists

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:50:09 2023 No.15092093 >>15092088 Buran reentry and landing was more norminal than any shuttle reentry and landing EVER in the history of all the shuttling

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:50:55 2023 No.15092095 >>15092078 >revealed >as anger grows over state censorship Every government is corrupt, every government lies, what matters is if this can be revealed and criticized openly

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:51:37 2023 No.15092096 >>15092089 According to arbitrary vatnigger goalposts only government space agencies matter, which means only Soyuz exists, sorry sweaty.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:51:46 2023 No.15092097 [DELETED]

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>>15092088
>>It's a culture of lies at every level where you cover your own ass. Someone under you fucked up? He'll lie about it, if you find out about it, you'll lie to your superior and so on and so forth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:52:39 2023 No.15092101 >>15091890 that applies to every migrant's children, from every country, dont you know about the chicanos?

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:53:01 2023 No.15092103 [DELETED]

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>>15092095
>It's a culture of lies at every level where you cover your own ass. Someone under you fucked up? He'll lie about it, if you find out about it, you'll lie to your superior and so on and so forth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:53:50 2023 No.15092106 File: 88 KB, 493x498, angry-wojak.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092097 Aw sweet, a vatnigger meltdown!

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:54:43 2023 No.15092108

>>15092093
I don't know how good Soviet autonomous tech was in the 80s, but I find it hard to believe they outclassed the US. What are the odds that they actually launched the Buran manned and someone piloted it down manually? Then they just shut up about it, kinda like how they told a different story of how Laika died.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:58:10 2023 No.15092112 [DELETED]

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>>15092106
>It's a culture of lies at every level where you cover your own ass. Someone under you fucked up? He'll lie about it, if you find out about it, you'll lie to your superior and so on and so forth.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:00:02 2023 No.15092113

>>15092103
Which is not the culture the US has. The US is a nation that is in near constant criticism of itself. If a republican fucks up the democrats will be sure you hear all about it and like wise if a Democrat fucks up the Republicans will make sure you head about it. Journalists are constantly attempting to expose US military and intelligence crimes and corruption, it's how we know about pentagon papers, Afganistan papers exc. You're full of shit vatnik.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:01:02 2023 No.15092115 >>15092112 This is literally an example of the truth coming out

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:01:16 2023 No.15092116 [DELETED]

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>>15092113
>It's a culture of lies at every level where you cover your own ass. Someone under you fucked up? He'll lie about it, if you find out about it, you'll lie to your superior and so on and so forth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:02:04 2023 No.15092117 >>15092112 This is literally an example of the truth coming out and actually hurts the point you are trying to make

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:02:13 2023 No.15092118

>>15092108
Buran did not have finished life support system (or many other systems, like fuel cells) by the time it first flew, and it was supposed to be finished for later flights (indeed the second flight, first of Ptichka, was also supposed to launch unmanned and dock either with Mir or a Soyuz in orbit), so no it couldn't have had crew lol. Also Glasnost USSR was a different culture than Kruschevite era.

I'm sure the american could have developped fully automatic STS landing and reentry in the 80s if they wanted, they developped it in the 90s anyway, but there was little need for it since Shuttle was always supposed to fly crewed.

The fun fact of the buran landing is that it calculated a better landing approach on the fly than virtually everybody at ground control and during preparation planned.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:02:19 2023 No.15092119 [DELETED]

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>>15092115
>a culture of lies at every level where you cover your own ass. Someone under you fucked up? He'll lie about it, if you find out about it, you'll lie to your superior and so on and so forth.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:02:42 2023 No.15092120

>suggest that Rogozin's chudcope that a manufacturing error was instead a properly vetted and qualified NASA astronaut's psychotic episode because woman+american is kinda sussy
>hour long vatnigger meltdown

>>15092108
For some reason they were pretty good with AI programming languages, so the Buran could be flown automatically. Also the Soviets had a shitton of experience with spacecraft automation, with cosmonauts being more like passengers, while NASA preferred their astronauts be the pilots.

That being said the Space Shuttle was already capable of landing completely automatically, and Buran computers were a decade newer.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:03:21 2023 No.15092121 [DELETED]

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>>15092117
>culture of lies at every level where you cover your own ass. Someone under you fucked up? He'll lie about it, if you find out about it, you'll lie to your superior and so on and so forth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:09:24 2023 No.15092129 So this is /sfg/ in 2023

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:10:08 2023 No.15092130 >>15092129 All because of the Russians and their culture of lies.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:10:23 2023 No.15092131
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>"disengage all automatic safeties to test manual backup"
>"what worse can happen?"
>"it going be fine comrade"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7fTLLmgbk

They literally did a Chernobyl in space.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:14:35 2023 No.15092142 >>15092129 Ignore non-spaceflight posts, anybody posting gay war shit deserves a ban.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:15:56 2023 No.15092144 File: 49 KB, 640x360, smedley.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092142 Shut up, vatnigger. Slava Ukraini!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:15:57 2023 No.15092145 File: 152 KB, 674x2048, starship stacked 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is what can be accomplished with American culture.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:16:09 2023 No.15092146 >>15092130 I have never been happier paying taxes knowing that money is contributing to the deaths of Russian people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:18:15 2023 No.15092150 File: 1.03 MB, 640x814, 1672417944265982.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092146 >i'm so happy to be a tax cow for greedy warmongers because i like when people die At least you're upfront about it.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:18:44 2023 No.15092152 [DELETED]

>>15092130
Russians literally believe that if they lie and get away with it they're in a position of power. The lie doesn't even have to be believed, in fact the more outrageous and obvious the lie they get away with unpunished, means the more power they have.

Our spamming vatnigger here thinks he's in a position of power above us, because he can keep spamming all day, while putting his fingers in his ear about any criticism towards the glorious Puccian Pidoration.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:18:49 2023 No.15092153
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>>15091643
I'd like to see how big a spinhab can be using the 'spin up a rubble pile asteroid till it disrupts and catch the fall off in a spinning bag' technique with existing materials like zylon instead of carbon memetubes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:20:13 2023 No.15092155 File: 173 KB, 707x591, 1672187793652191.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092152 >literally believe that if they lie and get away with it they're in a position of power.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:21:17 2023 No.15092156 >>15092150 >I like when Russians die My only criticism of Zelinski is that he is far to moderate

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:22:22 2023 No.15092158 Holy shit can you two faggots please just take it to /pol/ and leave /sfg/ alone? You two autists are shitting up this entire general.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:22:27 2023 No.15092159 >>15092156 The fact that Belgorod isn't completely on fire and the Red Square isn't being spammed by Azov suicide bombers is really ticking me off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:23:12 2023 No.15092160 File: 42 KB, 585x333, EemXme-WoAgbiL9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092159

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:23:32 2023 No.15092161 >>15092158 Mongoloid most likely gets paid for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:23:52 2023 No.15092162 I hope Starship and Ariane 6 lift off this year, truly the launchers of the future

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:25:04 2023 No.15092163 File: 44 KB, 782x490, Hole_in_Soyuz_MS-09_docked_to_International_Space_Station.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092158 All I said was "le hysterical woman astronaut" was Roscosmos cope for shoddy manufacturing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:28:09 2023 No.15092165 >>15092163 Why'd everybody even make a big deal over it, stick some mighty-putty over it and be done with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:28:38 2023 No.15092166 File: 181 KB, 833x1024, 1672468231937303.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092161 Don't know about the neocon shills ITT, but I'm just putting a mirror in front of you for my own amusement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:28:43 2023 No.15092167 >>15092165 That's what Dima did while it was still on the ground.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:29:16 2023 No.15092169 File: 82 KB, 1242x706, biden 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092095 >what matters is if this can be revealed and criticized openly Yeah man those checks and balances will be swinging into action any day now. Heads are gonna roll!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:34:43 2023 No.15092174 File: 41 KB, 587x288, manufacturing-consent-edward-bernays.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092169 They don't even care to keep the act going at this point. A well-bred American golem will march off a cliff under any pretext.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:34:44 2023 No.15092175
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>>15092165
That's what they did, filled it with epoxy, and since it was on the orbital module it had no consequence to reentry safety.

But vatniks at Roscosmos and vatniks in Russian media had to thrown a shitfit of "NOOOOO RUSSIAN SPACE INDUSTRY QC IS LITERALLY PERFECT THIS HAS TO BE SAGOTAGE NOOOOO" to save face.

The Russian space program has a huge propaganda value of trying to maintain the appearance of a country anything else than a medieval slave state, and the viability of the Russian space program depends on maintaining the image of it being anything else of a colossal shitshow of patchworking legacy Soviet technology till the end of time

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:37:14 2023 No.15092178 File: 179 KB, 773x1007, engine_girl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Very telling that a certain kind of person wasn't invited to a new years eve party last night. Gotta wake up early to shitpost on /sfg/!

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:44:02 2023 No.15092183

>>15092101
Nah actually the Aussie born Chinese I know are chill the migrants themselves are the most rabid and annoying nationalists ever. And since I am American they constantly tell me shit like
>America and Australia never beat China in war, america too scared of China
Relatively unprompted at that

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:44:31 2023 No.15092185 Post your space exploration wishlist: >Europa lander nuclear drill and submarine probe >Titan lander, flyer and methane lake boat >Venus rover and balloon >Phobos sample return

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:48:27 2023 No.15092190 >>15092185 >Phobos sample return you do realise this is happening?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:51:58 2023 No.15092196 >>15092190 No, what mission?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:53:48 2023 No.15092197 File: 89 KB, 1076x964, KuwaitSat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Kuwait gets to launch their first satellite on a SpaceX rideshare in a couple days, I thought they'd already had a first cubesat already but that was Qatar I was thinking of.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:54:15 2023 No.15092198 >>15092185 Anything going to Mars before that shitty sample return.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:55:20 2023 No.15092203 >>15092196 MMX, JAXA-ESA mission slated for 2024 (return to earth 2028), will also bring a Franco-German rover to phobos

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:55:36 2023 No.15092204 >>15092197 And UAE is doing the airlock for gateway Arabs CAN into space (by hitchhiking with Uncle Sam)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:56:18 2023 No.15092206 >>15092204 *paying for the airlock

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 14:57:13 2023 No.15092207 File: 77 KB, 709x744, OUFTI1_AutoD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092197 How long till literal hobbyist cubesats? Should I start saving up money, and designing Nagatoro-1?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:00:42 2023 No.15092213 >>15092185 Venus imaging and spectroscopy orbiter. Wouldn't even be that hard to do, but the scientific community seems to have tunnel vision for the outer solar system.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:00:44 2023 No.15092214 File: 135 KB, 1042x1042, Mmxspacecraft_0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092203 Cool. It will probably be a success , considering no slavshit components this time. Also tiny kraut phobospanzer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:00:51 2023 No.15092215 File: 167 KB, 600x338, BDSAT-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092207 >How long till literal hobbyist cubesats? Not long, it seems >"BDSAT project aims to support the radio amateur community with several HAM services and activities"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:02:51 2023 No.15092219 >>15092025 spacex will launch artemis 3 and lockheed martin will be there to greet them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:04:56 2023 No.15092222 File: 634 KB, 2048x1536, FlZOhUiXoAAjJTq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092214 It's going to be cute and yeah, god bless putin for actually giving Exomars a chance to land, even if it's delayed

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:06:49 2023 No.15092228 Reminder https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/963092110994886656 >Maybe that plan works out, but I will seriously eat my hat with a side of mustard if that rocket flies a national security spacecraft before 2023

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:08:01 2023 No.15092230
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>>15092215
>build "ham-relay" cubesat
>contract a launch vehicle
>reach stable orbit
>runs program
>cubesat now refuses all ground commands and just spams Caramelldansen on the widest possible band
>US has to eventually spend millions to shoot it down with an SM-3

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:10:35 2023 No.15092233 >>15092228 looking more like 2025 at this rate

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:15:27 2023 No.15092235 File: 71 KB, 640x473, hamsat-2-slide.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092215 AmSat already has satellites in orbit. HamSat1 has already deorbited.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:37:47 2023 No.15092262 File: 119 KB, 600x800, IMG_20221121_135858.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091815 Kek yes, silly me. Whoopsie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:40:25 2023 No.15092267 >>15091329 Hope for Titancopters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:46:28 2023 No.15092274 File: 42 KB, 750x540, gyro captain.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091361 Bring a gyrocopter, deliver goods between struggling colonies, sail the red skies and feel the wind against your suit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:51:07 2023 No.15092281 >>15092185 >>15092213 Yeah, why does no-one seem to care about venus anymore?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:51:10 2023 No.15092282 File: 32 KB, 829x465, roton rocket.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15091815 >rotor craft can't go above the atmosphere ??

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 15:52:14 2023 No.15092283 >>15092145 >built by mexicans >funded by a south african

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:01:36 2023 No.15092299 >>15092283 Only possible in America

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:07:06 2023 No.15092306 >>15092281 (((why))) They don't want people to find the ancient cities there

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:07:48 2023 No.15092307 File: 2.45 MB, 1920x1920, venera.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092281 Nothing can really survive down there for more than a few hours.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:09:31 2023 No.15092313 >>15092306 it's not fair, I wanna see my venusian babes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:09:46 2023 No.15092314 I can see I made one vatnik butthurt. My job here is done, for today.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:14:59 2023 No.15092322 >>15092307 What killed the jungles and dinosaurs, /sfg/?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:17:40 2023 No.15092327 >>15092313 >>15092322 >jungle planet of the Venusian dinosaur women We were robbed

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:19:47 2023 No.15092334 >>15092307 Not with that attitude

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:20:13 2023 No.15092336 File: 171 KB, 1250x1600, 1672589986827.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092322 it was me

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:20:26 2023 No.15092338 >>15092327 Watch this movie "Voyage to the Planet of Prehistoric Women" to imagine how it all could've been... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Jahnv3t3w

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:20:30 2023 No.15092339 File: 39 KB, 602x339, manned landing on venus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092307 explain this then

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:21:30 2023 No.15092343 >>15092314 What are you talking about, I made the posts about the Soyuz hole. >>15092334 >tfw the environment at which the Vega probes were flying were 0.5atm and 300-310K so you could technically have survived with an oxygen mask

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:21:58 2023 No.15092345 File: 56 KB, 563x288, mars canals.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092327 >We were robbed twice

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:24:33 2023 No.15092349 File: 161 KB, 1273x706, Leviathan Aerobot venus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092281 I care /sfg/ cares

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:25:12 2023 No.15092352 >>15092345 what a fucking boring-ass planetary system we happen to live in, not fair

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:25:55 2023 No.15092355 File: 180 KB, 1752x1000, Voyage to the Planets pegasus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092339 I wish that show had explained how the fuck that dinky lander gets off Venus again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:27:08 2023 No.15092357 File: 11 KB, 540x405, Tmk-mavr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092345 >>15092327 We were robbed by TMK-Mavr and the Apollo Applications Program Venus flybys not happening.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:27:52 2023 No.15092361 >>15091813 I'm a realist who understands how expensive and economically pointless that would be even in the best Starship scenario.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:31:39 2023 No.15092368 File: 797 KB, 2000x1350, map-of-battlestar-galactica-8217-s-12-colonies_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092352 so true

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:32:05 2023 No.15092369 File: 444 KB, 1200x1680, d8p6yzb-9f4ec820-5a3f-472c-8a81-558c4b2ffc3f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >never

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:34:00 2023 No.15092372 >>15092369 Replace Soviet emblems with Chinese and it looks possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:35:25 2023 No.15092377 >>15092372 I'd argue replacing them with Chinese makes it look completely impossible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:37:04 2023 No.15092381 >>15092369 holy кинo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:40:33 2023 No.15092389 File: 40 KB, 804x445, Apollo Extension modules.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092377 interplanetary fly bys are nbd, its just a small space station boosted to the right velocity and beefed up radiation protection and reentry shields

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:42:19 2023 No.15092392
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So I've been doing some research and I realized that my existing plans for a Mars base are completely useless because I underestimate how cold the ground is.

Anything that's in physical contact with the Martian surface is going to spend an inordinate amount of energy budget on heating, and suffer enormous outgassing/geological problems when all the energy bleeding into the ground starts heating it up too much.

I think the best system would be something akin to the Amundsun-Scott station where the entire thing is on stilts, surrounded by an insulating layer. Gasses conduct temperature less efficiently than solids so radiation shielding alone should provide enough insulation to keep the heat in.

Also, ISRU all the materials eventually obviously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:42:21 2023 No.15092393 File: 589 KB, 792x446, starmap_mars.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092352 Not so fast

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:45:07 2023 No.15092395
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>>15092392
>Anything that's in physical contact with the Martian surface is going to spend an inordinate amount of energy budget on heating, and suffer enormous outgassing/geological problems when all the energy bleeding into the ground starts heating it up too much.
aerogels nigga

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:45:10 2023 No.15092396 File: 2.56 MB, 4000x3000, 20221219_123853.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092267 >>15092274 I hope so, but I'll probably be too old. I'm due to be 35 this month.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:49:27 2023 No.15092405 >>15092395 Can it be ISRU'd?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:50:20 2023 No.15092407 File: 472 KB, 2125x1375, the worst timeline.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092381 >N1-Salyut based mars flyby Kino >SLS-Gateway based mars flyby Cringe At least MAVR would have had an bonus Venus flyby on the way back to Earth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:52:51 2023 No.15092410 >>15092185 >Neptune orbiter and atmospheric probe (with a camera) >Titan balloon >Earth Trojan probe >Enceladus probe (either orbital or lander/rover) >Callisto lander because the view of Jupiter and the moons will be kino

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:53:57 2023 No.15092413 Honestly would have been super awkward if the only other BLEO crewed mission after Apollo were some random 80s american or soviet Venus or Mars Fly-by that's never followed on

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:58:46 2023 No.15092420 >>15092413 Not as awkward as Americans just not doing manned missions after ASTP till 1981, and never leaving LEO again, till maybe 2024.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 16:59:10 2023 No.15092423 File: 375 KB, 2239x2725, delta v.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092410 >Earth Trojan probe justify this

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:00:14 2023 No.15092427 the trailer for the russian movie filmed on the iss is out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKBKmaOFlsg

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:02:04 2023 No.15092431 >>15092420 It's not awkward, spaceflight just doesn't have enough supporters. If there was no space race with USSR, there would be no Moon landing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:02:04 2023 No.15092432 >>15092392 Finally, actual discussion about Martian bases. Wouldn't in the long term underground bases be better? It would get hotter the deeper you go, and you get all that regolith and rocks to protect the crew against radiation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:02:42 2023 No.15092434 >>15092410 I'd be happy with a long duration aerostat mission to anywhere. Venus, Mars, Jupiter, it doesn't matter. I've been interested in balloon probes every since the Franco-Russian one that was going to fly on Mars 96 got canceled.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:02:56 2023 No.15092435 so where are the aliens?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:03:29 2023 No.15092437 File: 12 KB, 214x317, Gravity.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092427 >stream of debris headed for ISS I feel like I already saw this one

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:04:06 2023 No.15092439

>>15092413
Nothing tops our timeline of going from zero orbital capability to stepping on the fucking moon in 11 years, all that just to scrap and cancel everything once that goal was achieved and ending up spending FIFTY YEARS not only without visiting this said celestial body ever again, but also never venturing beyond Low Earth Orbit.
Utterly and absolutely pathetic. I sometimes think we deserve to go extinct as a species.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:04:23 2023 No.15092440 >>15091560 Your clothes are already made of plastic

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:05:11 2023 No.15092443 Martial igloos.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:06:03 2023 No.15092447 >>15092423 >As far as I know, It wouldn't require much energy to get to an Earth Trojan >Whoever does it first will get a nice first >Paving the way for a manned visit >There could possibly be something useful there

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:07:02 2023 No.15092449 >>15092437 Except this was actually filmed in the ISS so automatically much cooler.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:07:56 2023 No.15092451 >>15092003 Find other ways to disappoint your family please.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:09:19 2023 No.15092453 >>15092449 It looks like some student project.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:10:25 2023 No.15092456 >>15092439 It's like reaching the New World for the first time, taking a look left and right on the shore, shaking your first mate's hand then sailing home never to return.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:12:00 2023 No.15092460 >>15092307 It’s not impossible. The soviet probes and the upcoming NASA probe just have really low tolerances. It’s totally possible to have landers that can last a very, very long time

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:12:46 2023 No.15092461
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Think an underground Venus colony is possible? Like dug in deep into rock, far isolated from the hot, high pressure surface?

>>15092427
>>15092449
>Canuck Major Tom: soul
>this dreck: soulless

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:13:06 2023 No.15092463
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>>15092185
I think the lesson of Falcon 9 is that the most transformational technologies are the ones that are efficient and scalable, rather than bespoke and optimized. So with that being the case

>space habitat that's as cheap, easy to deploy and common as the Falcon 9
>some kind of ultra high Delta V solution for exploration out past the asteroid belt, either some kind of nuclear/ion or just methalox with a ton of fuel
>nuclear reactors that are light enough and safe enough to be deployed routinely on other planets
>somebody figuring out inter-planetary internet

if we get all of those everything up to Jupiter should be easy pickings.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:15:26 2023 No.15092467 >>15092461 How do you leave Venus once there?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:16:45 2023 No.15092469 >>15092467 Why would you want to leave?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:17:49 2023 No.15092471 >>15092469 Maybe I left the oven on back at Earth, maybe I want to visit my grandma on Mars, doesn't matter why what matters is how.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:18:15 2023 No.15092472 >>15092435 They don't exist

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:18:42 2023 No.15092474 >>15092471 The answer is that you're not leaving.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:19:02 2023 No.15092476 >>15092467 Delta-V requirements seem ridiculous, so I don't know. Some wing-flapping bullshit plane exploiting the atmospheric density, that flies to a balloon colony, then skyhook?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:19:08 2023 No.15092477 >>15092461 How are you going to stay alive on the Venutian surface long enough to dig?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:20:15 2023 No.15092478 >>15092474 Venus is a penal colony

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:20:26 2023 No.15092479 >>15092461 >far isolated from the hot, high pressure surface? the minimum temperature of the rock is the same as its lower atmosphere dumbass, its had eons to thermally equalize

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:21:23 2023 No.15092481 >>15092477 Automated tunnel boring and construction?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:22:40 2023 No.15092485 https://youtu.be/U4ASrml5BjU insight from insight

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:23:14 2023 No.15092486 >>15092481 I imagine that designing a TBM that works automatically at 700 degrees is going to be quite difficult. And I'm not sure there even is a cool layer underneath. Wouldn't the upper layers have warmed over the last billion or so years?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:24:32 2023 No.15092491 File: 536 KB, 973x1494, E88CEA9B-F529-4F5B-9099-AF889432B5D2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thoughts? https://spacenews.com/china-looks-to-build-space-partnerships-with-gulf-nations/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:25:17 2023 No.15092492 >>15092476 Delta V requirement isn't that ridiculous if you have a two stage ascent, first in balloon from surface to a rocket stationned in high atmosphere, then to the high atmosphere to orbit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:25:39 2023 No.15092494 >>15092479 Some cooling bullshit, that transfers heat from the tunnels to dump it into the surface? How does my fridge work? Have one big fridge constantly powered by a nuclear reactor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:26:12 2023 No.15092496 File: 64 KB, 800x530, NASA_Cloud_City_on_Venus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092461 You all are too primitive to appreciate the kino of crewed Venusian dirigibles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:27:26 2023 No.15092498 >>15092496 I know about Venuisan Jules Verne colonies, but it feels like going to Venus, but only 99% of the way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:27:44 2023 No.15092499 >>15092491 Gulfies will work with anyone that has money and doesn't give them shit about human rights. I respect their pragmatism, but China has yet to catch up in launch systems so I think there's a hard cap on what they can accomplish.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:28:17 2023 No.15092501 >>15092491 why not iran...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:28:29 2023 No.15092502 File: 29 KB, 1280x720, 1672594120284.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imagine not building a sunshade for venus

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:29:15 2023 No.15092505 >>15092494 The issue is that heat needs to go somewhere. It can't go out because the atmosphere of Venus is a giant blanket. I'm pretty sure the interior is hot too because Venus has a lot of volcanism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:30:03 2023 No.15092507 >>15092502 thank you isaac,now run along

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:30:56 2023 No.15092508 >>15092498 We don't say human aren't completely on Earth because we don't live in the deepest oceans. That atmospheric range is almost perfect for us, if it wasn't for the fucking lack of hydrogen anywhere for making water and fuel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:31:48 2023 No.15092509 >>15092508 Earth cloud cities wen

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:32:43 2023 No.15092513 File: 83 KB, 663x586, venus fag.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092508

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:33:06 2023 No.15092516 >>15092185 In order from most to least likely >Nepnep orbiter/triton lander >Dedicated heliopause and interstellar medium mission >Serious work on laser sail propulsion

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:33:57 2023 No.15092517 File: 122 KB, 1280x1266, E9149B96-DC23-42E3-84DC-BBAD04285D8B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] That Russian movie that was filmed on the space station got a trailer https://youtu.be/PKBKmaOFlsg

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:34:43 2023 No.15092518 File: 57 KB, 600x601, terraformed Venus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092505 Bow holes in Venus' atmosphere to let the heat out, show it who's boss

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:35:45 2023 No.15092521
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>>15092509
>Fuller suggested that the mass of a mile-wide geodesic sphere would be negligible compared to the mass of the air trapped within it. He suggested that if the air inside such a sphere were heated even by one degree higher than the ambient temperature of its surroundings, the sphere could become airborne. He calculated that such a balloon could lift a considerable mass, and hence that 'mini-cities' or airborne towns of thousands of people could be built in this way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Nine_(sphere)
water supply would be a pita

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:36:36 2023 No.15092526 Lockheed Martin black technology exists in the Oort cloud.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:38:35 2023 No.15092529 >>15092526 cool, many anons are from there, I hope they can take some nice pictures

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:39:10 2023 No.15092531
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You can build a habitat on Moon using Starship HLS

A study sponsored by Lockheed Martin

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:39:38 2023 No.15092534

>>15092491
They're smart enough to focus on payloads rather than replicating the launch infrastructure of the major space powers, and they're pragmatic enough to build relationships with both east and west. They're not making any major dumb or misguided moves. That's nice to see.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:42:43 2023 No.15092539 >>15092491 UAE in the Artemis Accords spooked them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:43:42 2023 No.15092541 File: 203 KB, 1200x675, 1666855067153.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what do we think of this configuration?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:45:44 2023 No.15092546 >>15092541 Are these FCB knockoffs?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:54:03 2023 No.15092553 >>15092517 Oh wow Bbl3oB, my favorite!!! TPEŃHEP

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:55:08 2023 No.15092555 >>15092541 It's going to be needed if China wants to expand their station program to include vassal-partners. There wasn't any room on Mir for Americans until Spektr was launched.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:56:39 2023 No.15092558 >>15092516 I wish NASA was capable of having more than one focus. The planned Uranus mission is probably going to kill any chance of a Neptune mission any time soon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:02:25 2023 No.15092566 File: 277 KB, 599x800, Chris Moore sunk shuttle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092558 At this point I'll settle for ANY ice giant mission. They'll probably put it on some gay trajectory that takes a decade to get there though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:03:58 2023 No.15092571 >>15092541 Is this including the EU tribute work?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:05:31 2023 No.15092575 File: 955 KB, 678x1252, Мы в ответе за будущее потомков.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092553 >Vizor, Trailer I thought spaceflight autism required at least a basic understanding of the cyrillic alphabet

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:06:24 2023 No.15092577 >>15092571 its all chinese afaik

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:07:52 2023 No.15092583 File: 640 KB, 780x624, Screenshot 2023-01-01 at 12-07-19 Next Spaceflight.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092577 Ah, soon then

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:08:05 2023 No.15092585 >>15092575 You thought wrong.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:08:38 2023 No.15092587

>>15092566
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranus_Orbiter_and_Probe
>The current proposal targets a launch in 2031 using a Falcon Heavy expendable launch vehicle with a gravity assist at Jupiter allowing arrival at Uranus in 2044.
Since they are already considering launching with SpaceX, and it will be 8 years from now, I have some confidence that this can be launched in a Starship and avoid having to do all that gravity assist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:09:39 2023 No.15092590 >>15092575 Maybe 10 years ago and before, but not anymore!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:10:51 2023 No.15092592 >>15092587 Is this really the best they could do, or are the planets really that far out of alignment at this point?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:12:03 2023 No.15092593 >>15092558 >>15092566 Chyna is doing a Uranus mission but it got delayed to NET 2040s just for the launch, and by the time it actually arrives it will only snap a 140p image with its shit ching chong camera

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:13:59 2023 No.15092598 >>15092592 I've read somewhere that the time to develop this probe is short and they might miss the Jupiter gravity assist window.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:21:32 2023 No.15092606 >>15092598 Modern NASA’s inability to do anything that isn’t in a 20-year time frame is fucking pathetic

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:23:24 2023 No.15092610

>>15092555
Ironic how Spektr was originally supposed to be used for top-secret Soviet military stuff, then it became a habitat for Americans after they funded its finishing.

Back during ASTP there was a very secretive section of the training hangars in Star City where the American astronauts weren't allowed to go, as that's were the Soviets trained for their military Almaz space stations designed against them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:23:28 2023 No.15092611 >>15092592 There's a neat (once in 45 years) Saturn-Uranus alignment in 2029-2030, but it's slower than a jupiter one and it requires launching in the next ~15 months in a direct insertion to Saturn.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:35:57 2023 No.15092629 File: 229 KB, 1280x774, 1280px-TKS_spacecraft_drawing_(svg).svg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:46:48 2023 No.15092637 >>15090494 >>15090490 I want to thank the biggest hero in American space flight for killing the Shuttle. Thank you, George Bush. You truly did not care about cost plus people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:54:06 2023 No.15092650 >>15092262 What would you say the overall cost of getting your license was? Looking at getting started on that this year.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 19:05:36 2023 No.15092669 >>15090518 Did you say something? I was lost in your cleavage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 19:06:48 2023 No.15092672 >>15091024 Ask Elon

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 19:13:48 2023 No.15092686 Retarded question: would a weighted counter pressure suit counteract the effects of low gravity on Mars to any degree? It seems like you could plausibly lessen some of the skelatomuscular and circulatory issues

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:16:07 2023 No.15092804 /sfg/ died

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:21:36 2023 No.15092810 I seem to remember reading something that made an offhand mention to a USAF shuttle mission which flew the orbiter in a robotic, expendable configuration. Does anyone know about this or am I tripping

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:21:45 2023 No.15092813 >>15092804 calm down your adhd ass

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:33:10 2023 No.15092818 Where do the good posters go when they're not posting here? >social life No

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:33:18 2023 No.15092821 >>15092804 What are we supposed to be discussing? There is nothing noteworthy happening in space right now. Most of the time is just about waiting for things to happen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:34:19 2023 No.15092823 >>15092818 What is a good poster for you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:35:42 2023 No.15092827 >>15092818 I just lurk, until there is something to discuss.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:36:41 2023 No.15092828 >>15092818 To work, I guess

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:39:03 2023 No.15092834 >>15092810 The closest thing I can think of is Shuttle C, but the USAF backed out of that because its cost effectiveness wasn't better than the Titan IV. http://www.astronautix.com/s/shuttlec.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:39:30 2023 No.15092836 >>15092823 We used of have a bunch of highly knowledge posters that could post in-depth walls of text on obscure spaceflight related topics, they've gotten more rare over the last few years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:39:31 2023 No.15092837 >>15092818 I quit 4chan for a couple weeks just to see if I could. I should do it again desu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:41:08 2023 No.15092842 >>15092810 I don't think they enabled full autopilot on the shuttle until after Columbia, and by that point the USAF had been out of the shuttle game for years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:43:34 2023 No.15092849 >>15092837 That's nothing! I quit 4chan for a few hours every night

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:43:55 2023 No.15092850

>>15092836
I can post walls of text about things, but the number of topics I get that autistic about don't crop up very often. Mostly /sfg/ for me is just quick question / quick response, with occasional light bitching about the government. It doesn't help that there don't seem to be that many people posting outside of event hours.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:47:08 2023 No.15092854

>>15092850
Well it just became all shitposting so quality posts aren't rewarded and they get lost in the noise. Looking back raising the image limit may not have been the best idea, though it did stop a lot of the infighting that was happening at the time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:47:50 2023 No.15092856 >>15092836 >>15092850 What's an obscure spaceflight topic that you're itching to talk about?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 20:51:31 2023 No.15092863 >>15090518 Gimbal lock is what happens when you try to watch an aircraft fly directly over your head but it makes you spin around and fall on your ass.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:00:44 2023 No.15092876
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>>15092392
The new Amundsen-Scott station is on stilts because the original one kept getting buried by snow drifts and they got sick of having to dig it out all the time.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:05:37 2023 No.15092883

>>15092854
I think a lot of people with actual knowledge about aerospace as an industry or just engineering in general left after the Great Schizoing and then the advertising on other boards both before and after brought in a bunch of low IQ retards that just want to shitpost/jerk off about Elon Musk. I don’t think most posters now are able to independently come to conclusions about what decisions made by spacex, NASA and others are correct or not and why, they just want to be angry or excited, so they have to pull from statements made by others, mainly on twitter, to form an opinion and argument.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:12:13 2023 No.15092887 >>15091556 >less people die if every country that gets invaded surrenders instantly wow really?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:12:42 2023 No.15092890 >>15092686 Not really, pressure != gravity, maybe if you wear heavy stuff to constantly strain your muscles/bones enough to simulate earth gravity. but im not an expert so that's my 2c

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:21:49 2023 No.15092899 >>15092883 And what makes this worse is that the retards are so smug about the shit they say. I'm so fucking tired of the constant "muh mars colony" and whining about the FAA here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:22:28 2023 No.15092903 >>15092887 Yes, the Chamberlain doctrine, it was sure to work this time if not for HATO warmongers!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:29:00 2023 No.15092917 >>15092887 One weird trick. Poland hates it!

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:30:28 2023 No.15092921
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>>15092856
I'd like to talk about what kinds of manned missions NASA can do now that it has an operational moon rocket for the first time since the 1970s.

Before we lost Saturn V, NASA was talking about sending a manned mission to Venus. Now that we have SLS we can pick up where we left off.

And can we please stop repeating the tired old meme that "SLS can only launch once per year" as if the SLS launch rate is a basic fact of rocketry discovered by Robert Goddard in 1930. NASA is opening up facilities at KSC which will enable SLS production of up to two per year:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/12/boeing-expanding-cs-prod/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:30:58 2023 No.15092927 >>15092827 Same

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:32:44 2023 No.15092932 >>15092921 >SLS production of up to two per year Maybe past 2040

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:49:41 2023 No.15092965
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>>15092921
>a manned mission to Venus
You mean like the concept mission in the Apollo Applications Program? That could definitely work, especially with the concept of a wet workshop. The SLS core is huge so there would be plenty of volume to work with. NASA wouldn't even have to start from scratch, Shuttle core wet workshop studies were already done a long time ago. The only two problems I see with this are the political inertia ("why should we send people there when a probe will do?"), and radiation issues from being in deep space for so long.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:55:03 2023 No.15092974 >>15092921 >manned mission to Venus What would be the purpose? The only one I can think is to control a probe without the delay due to the distance from Earth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:56:45 2023 No.15092979 >>15092974 Literally just for clout. But it would still be cool Plus it would give you good data on deep space operations on your spacecraft i.e. how does it fair that far away from earth? How did reentry go? Stuff like that

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:57:17 2023 No.15092980

>>15092921
Also,
>can we please stop repeating the tired old meme that "SLS can only launch once per year"
No. SLS's very own existence is a problem, a reflection of what makes space exploration so sluggish. Things will never get better unless we get rid of relics like it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:58:19 2023 No.15092981 >>15092979 I think that a Mars flyby would be much more valuable, or an Earth Trojan visit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:00:44 2023 No.15092985 >>15092981 >Mars flyby cuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:01:48 2023 No.15092986 >>15092981 No if you go to Mars just land A venus flyby is way cooler (in terms of flybys) because that’s about all you can do at venus

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:05:58 2023 No.15092993
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>>15092980
>No. SLS's very own existence is a problem, a reflection of what makes space exploration so sluggish. Things will never get better unless we get rid of relics like it.
No. The problem is that people take Elon Musk and Starship seriously instead of recognizing it as the preposterous and obvious sham that it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:06:40 2023 No.15092994 >>15092985 >>15092986 I too would prefer for just landing right away, but the point is that a Mars flyby would give more valuable data and experience while a Venus flyby would have nothing to be followed up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:07:17 2023 No.15092995 >>15092993 Thank you for your input, now to back to twitter, faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:07:54 2023 No.15092998 >15092993 60 Falcon 9 landings in a single year. Such a bad bait doesn't deserve a (You)

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:08:46 2023 No.15093000
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>>15092986
>because that’s about all you can do at venus
For manned missions? Yeah, but there are more things to do with Venus. A weather satellite network, and ground probes that can actually handle the heat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:11:25 2023 No.15093005 >>15091557 >clothing material >50 g/cm^2

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:11:41 2023 No.15093006
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I know that was always iffy with the shuttle due to safety reasons, but imagine if some billionaire developped a Buran spacelab-style (pressurised payload bay module) touristic module and flew it in the 90s.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:21:58 2023 No.15093026
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>>15092974
>What would be the purpose?
It's an exercise in manned interplanetary spaceflight in preparation for future missions that accomplish more. Just getting humans to another planet and back is a huge accomplishment on its own, and the first step on the path toward landings and the establishment of a base on another planet.

The idea with NASA's original Venus Flyby was that it could be accomplished using existing Apollo hardware with minimum modification. Having proven it was possible to go to another planet, NASA would have been in a position to spend the resources to develop a new set of vehicles needed for landings on other planets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:27:18 2023 No.15093033 File: 254 KB, 1125x550, 87C861A3-0676-4B89-8C51-EEB59896697B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >84 Successful Falcon landings in a row We are going

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:43:17 2023 No.15093059 >>15092998 I don’t think it’s bait tbqh I think there’s an actual dedicated SLS fanboy/MDS sufferer in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:43:46 2023 No.15093060 >>15091826 >I hate that 99% of space flight fans with accounts on social media are huge progressives and trannies I wonder why that is the case. RWers should be more active in the aerospace industry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:48:09 2023 No.15093068 >>15093060 >RWers should be more active in the aerospace industry. Hard when they don't like the price tag and every time astronomy shows how their religion is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:50:03 2023 No.15093072 >>15093059 It’s not just MDS, a /sfg/ has been all doom and gloom about Starship ever since Artemis 1

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:52:21 2023 No.15093078 >>15093072 Only trolls, like you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:53:24 2023 No.15093080 >>15093078 I’m not the SLS shill, dumbass it irritates me too

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:54:36 2023 No.15093084 >>15093080 Then why say /sfg/, as a whole?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:57:50 2023 No.15093087 >>15093072 I thought it was doom and gloom over Starship ever since Elon bought twitter?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 22:58:50 2023 No.15093090 >>15093084 I meant to say a few on /sfg/ but I got cut off I’m at the gym

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:02:20 2023 No.15093097 >>15093060 >RWers should be more active in the aerospace industry. They've moved on to the MIC were blowing $20B on a project over 10 years is considered light spending.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:02:31 2023 No.15093098 >>15093090 by gym you mean mom's basement?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:15:22 2023 No.15093117 What does the anons here think about the Apollo video series by Homemade Documentaries?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:16:40 2023 No.15093118 >>15092185 Europa submarine

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:21:12 2023 No.15093122

>>15092361
You're a pessimist who assumes human endeavors must have an economic justification for them to be pursued. Unfortunately for your predictions though, Elon is a visionary who doesn't operate entirely off financial justifications. If he did, he wouldn't have bought twitter for 45 billion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:23:07 2023 No.15093128 Elon is a turbo-autist who's downfall will be starlink allowing him to shitpost faster while travelling by air.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:25:02 2023 No.15093133

>>15092207
Cal Poly Pamona has a sub-$1000 cubesat going up soon (may have already launched). Their launch cost was still 5 figures, and it was a very simple 1U project, but it does show the potential for very cheap space hardware once Starship craters rideshare costs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:25:30 2023 No.15093134 >>15092185 Jupiter hot air balloon probe with HD cameras Saturn hot air balloon probe with HD cameras Uranus hot air balloon with HD cameras Neptune hot air balloon with HD cameras I wanna see gas giant cloud formations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:26:23 2023 No.15093136 >>15092981 An asteroid mission would be far more valuable, flybys are useless.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:30:00 2023 No.15093142

>>15093122
>assumes human endeavors must have an economic justification for them to be pursued
This isn't about justifications, this is about sustainable goals. No ship would have sailed past the Cape of Good Hope if there were no spices to be bought. No European king would have given a shit about the Americas if there were no riches to be exploited and no natives to be converted here. Of all old missions in Africa, most were about colonial exploitation, not scientific exploration. There will be no good will for space exploration unless there is something to be gained there. This is why satellite launches have always persisted but manned exploration moves at slug pace.
And Elon is not going to settle space without first convincing a lot of people to open their wallets somehow, or some new economical exploitation is discovered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:31:24 2023 No.15093145 >>15093134 I get so hard imagining all the kino this would produce.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:33:48 2023 No.15093147 >>15093142 Elon's trying to make it possible to simply exist on a world like Mars in a sustainable way. Once that can be proven, religious separatists and other isolationists will do the rest when it comes to providing demand

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:37:59 2023 No.15093154 >>15093147 How long until mormons 2.0 spring up calling mars new Zion and saying Jesus went there and everyone should wife swap

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:38:47 2023 No.15093156 >>15093134 I want to too see a live stream from a camera being dropped by one of those balloons. Imagine getting the first glimpses of the complex interactions of ammonia clouds in the tropopause.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:40:11 2023 No.15093158 >>15093156 Not to mention the sky-whales and clouds of jovian krill

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:43:51 2023 No.15093165 File: 678 KB, 1170x965, B3710E57-36F8-4905-8DCE-FD98EB7BAE3D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Never seen the dark side of the sun before

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:47:25 2023 No.15093168 >>15092921 >"SLS can only launch once per year" SLS can only launch once, period. When they want to launch again they have to build a new SLS.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:49:36 2023 No.15093170

>>15092986
On Venus you can establish floating ore processing platforms and send balloon mounted scoops down to the surface to collect ore. You can then extract the useful minerals and launch them to Mars with a mass driver, and use another mass driver to send the slag to bombard Earth cities

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:51:22 2023 No.15093172 >>15093165 lol, straight out of a fever dream

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:51:27 2023 No.15093173 >>15093170 Okay, but how is Venus going to get hydrogen?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:51:48 2023 No.15093175 >>15093170 Just for the sake of argument, wouldn’t any valuable minerals on Venus be buried under kilometers and kilometers of basaltic lava layers?

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:52:14 2023 No.15093176
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>>15093158
>be me
>part of a jovian explorer
>send probe deep into jupiter's atmosphere
>see alien life for the first time
>they resemble earth's marine animals albeit adapted for a gaseous environment
>the rest of the team are already calling naming dibs
>look deeper for something really interesting to put my name on
>find a crab and some kind of yellow porous blob chasing after a plankton
>mrw

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:53:14 2023 No.15093180 File: 48 KB, 836x367, images (62).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15092392 >the entire thing is on stilts Sounds comfy, like Starcraft

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:55:52 2023 No.15093184 >>15093173 Extract from sulphuric acid clouds or import from solar wind farms in high orbit. >>15093175 That's possible, but higher outcroppings might be more viable.

Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:56:22 2023 No.15093185

>>15092432
>It would get hotter the deeper you go
Considering that Mars is geologically dead, it'll get warmer but not by much. Undergound bases might still be best for shielding. Thermal issues can be resolved by standing off the facility from the cave walls via stilts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:57:23 2023 No.15093187 >>15093185 >Considering that Mars is geologically dead Don't kid yourself. That just means there's no plate tectonics or vulcanism. Doesn't mean anything about the temperature

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:57:25 2023 No.15093188 >>15093185 There any good shit to mine on Mars?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:58:35 2023 No.15093191 >>15093176 By the way, do you happen to have a squirrel astronaut with you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 23:58:35 2023 No.15093190 >>15092405 It's just blown silica so yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:01:19 2023 No.15093200 >>15092463 >some kind of ultra high Delta V solution Magnetic sail probably

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:01:43 2023 No.15093201 >>15093188 Mined for Earth? Probably not. For the space economy? Maybe. Mars would have all the same materials found in asteroids, but would be in a gravity field that's strong enough to be useful but weak enough to easily escape.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:02:32 2023 No.15093202 >>15092361 Same reason Brits settled Australia - to prevent the French doing it. Convicts were a source of ready made settlers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:21:50 2023 No.15093221 >>15092361 Space colonization has one key benefit. It gets people away from Earth, and that is priceless.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:27:01 2023 No.15093228

Anyone know how many peak hours of sun you would get on Mars? Without a thick atmosphere the solar panels should be working nearly everyday. No clouds, rain, snow, storm. The only thing is some martian dust storm that lasts for a week or so every 3 n half years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:29:49 2023 No.15093234 >>15093221 >benefit. It gets people away from Earth, and tha Yeah, the ones who stay behind might get some peace and quiet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:31:26 2023 No.15093239 >>15093228 Considering that the Martian day is about as long as Earth's, the peak solar hours would be about the same as Earths. There might be more severe losses at higher latitudes due to Mars' smaller size though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:31:55 2023 No.15093240 What the fuck https://twitter.com/dsfpspacefl1ght/status/1609431820264931328

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:32:57 2023 No.15093243 >>15093240 When did the krystalfag evolve to unbirthing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:34:26 2023 No.15093249 >>15093243 reverse trolled for once

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:46:54 2023 No.15093263

>>15093200
Mass produced mega-centaur (~100+ ton fueled) that can fit in Starship bay or something, Send without the LOX, refuel in LEO in the day or two after docking. Can probably be built for like $30 million if you use something newer than an RL-10. That's the shit to send 15 tons to direct Neptune transfer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:47:15 2023 No.15093264 >>15092650 The cost was extreme. I joined the Marines and got the G.I. Bill with the intent to use it to pay for flight school. I did 6 years as a mechanic on CH-53Es.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:49:42 2023 No.15093268

>>15093228
Well, since the Martian day is about the same as Earth's, and the Martian axial tilt is also about the same as Earth's, I'd say the hours of peak sunlight would also be about the same as Earth's.
That doesn't resolve the question of cleaning the solar panels, which is an as-yet unsolved problem
>inb4 wipe them off
We want cost-defective suggestions only. Space is hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:50:48 2023 No.15093271 >>15092262 Do you ever turn off your engine mid-flight and pretend you're flying the space shuttle?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:53:23 2023 No.15093273 >>15093268 Chinese did it fine with a roller that cleans the top cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:54:47 2023 No.15093275 >>15092282 Nice paper rocket.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:55:26 2023 No.15093277 File: 149 KB, 1600x1600, 4ASS dust mitigator.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093268 Every day until you admit I'm right

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 00:59:32 2023 No.15093286 File: 46 KB, 334x124, Screenshot from 2023-01-02 11-28-56.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093277 >284g Sorry, every gram counts. It's easier to just abandon solar panels once they get too dusty to use.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:01:13 2023 No.15093289 >>15093286 I just don't get this 'reusable rover' meme

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:02:45 2023 No.15093293

>>15093263
The Centaur V is about 55 tons and the larger version they're planing for the Vulcan Heavy is about 75 tons. For upper stage hydrogen engines you're pretty much stuck with either a BE-3U, Vinci, or LE-5B. Can't really say which of those would be better for staying under a $30 mil price point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:04:27 2023 No.15093299 >>15093286 It's easier to abandon 100kg panel than have 200gram air duster?

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:07:24 2023 No.15093306
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>>15093289
I just don't understand this reusable rover meme.

The amount of money you can save from reusing rovers isn’t enough to justify how much harder it makes it to idenify the difficult rocks that actually matter in the geology world. I’m sure one day reusability will be more effective, but the truth is that when you have all the challenges that come with electrical science in general, it’s almost always much more effective to throw away the rover after it’s done its job than to figure out how to make recovery part of the mission. I know of no major technology on the near term horizon that would change that.

Even if reusable rovers are possible now, but when reliability is THE number one priority (in this case the mole probe is up 2/3rds of the cost and the actual rover only 1/3rd) it makes absolutely no sense. Like, look at this rover (pic related). This represents some of the most advanced technologies in the probes world. Do you honestly think that such a complicated machine can be made tough and reliable enough to be reusable? I doubt it. Best example in my opinion is condoms, sure you could reuse them but making sure that they do not suffer a drop in reliability will cost a lot of money and time.

Just because some company made reusing rovers popular, that doesn't mean that we will have the sci-fi future of dozens of rovers per year. We'll be lucky to see more than a couple dozen per decade. Dial down your expectations, don't buy into the 'reusability for rovers' meme.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:07:29 2023 No.15093307

>>15093268
>>15093286
I envision the system working like this

>rovers with arms set up solar panel farm
>rovers with arms use compressed CO2 to spray dust off of panels whenever the monitoring software detects a decrease in efficiency
>some rovers serve as recovery vehicles to pick up any drones that fail
>human code monkeys on base debug the system with help from team on earth

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:09:18 2023 No.15093313 >>15093286 it's not wasted because it puts air in the atmosphere, after 2000 years of solar panel cleaning Mars will be breathable

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:10:59 2023 No.15093318 >>15093268 >as-yet unsolved problem Actually no, Zhurong has dust mitigation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:11:16 2023 No.15093320 >>15093313 Mars has air. It's just not breathable. Compressed martian air will do fine for cleaning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:13:08 2023 No.15093326 Remember the Saturn Ib ICBM concept?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:15:43 2023 No.15093330 >>15093326 No, but I remember the N1 ICBM concept.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:16:16 2023 No.15093334 >>15093273 >Chinese did it fine with a roller that cleans the top cover. >>15093318 >Zhurong has dust mitigation. Source

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:16:37 2023 No.15093335 >>15093326 Huh

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:22:00 2023 No.15093340 Any word on the leaky Soyuz situation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:25:51 2023 No.15093344 >>15093334 Can't find it, but the rover had a self cleaning mechanism. Deeper Google search is necessary. There's pictures of the design and I think even a video. It was from a year or two ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:26:56 2023 No.15093346 >>15093340 To be determined. Decision will be made jointly by pockocmoc and NASA. Either they will keep it, or send up a new soyuz (MS-23) in automatic mode

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:31:00 2023 No.15093349
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>>15093026
>an exercise in manned interplanetary spaceflight
Why don't they just isolate a spacecraft in Earth orbit for a couple years? Fill it up with enough supplies for a simulated Mars/Venus mission and close the hatch. If an emergency arises they can easily return to Earth. Basically Mars-500 in space.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:32:49 2023 No.15093351 >>15093349 Have you ever heard of the Lunar Gateway?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:33:39 2023 No.15093354 >>15093334 https://inf.news/en/science/c26c13c78995820ed014f966329578f5.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:36:33 2023 No.15093357 >>15093351 Doesn't count. It's only occupied for several weeks at a time. Make it permanent and I will unironically shill it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:37:40 2023 No.15093359 File: 63 KB, 919x677, Case for Mars II 1984 Carter Emmart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093349 At some point you have to nut up and stop orbiting the Earth/Moon, put on your big boy pants and go interplanetary

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:38:18 2023 No.15093361

>>15093293
Well, Vinci has a huge R&D cost behind it, I remember some estimates that it'd cost about as much as a HM7B, which would put it a bit under $10 million

LE-5B (H3 version) is supposed to drive cost down but then the base model made RL-10 look cheap (was $30 million+)

idk about BE-3U, BE-4 is ~10$ million

Sad we don't have RD-146, would be great. On the other hand CE-7.5 must be cheap, it's pretty much reverse engineered from soviet tech.
Some of the project of hydrolox Prometheus could be interesting to if low cost is a target

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:38:33 2023 No.15093362 >>15093357 >>15093349 That’s supposed to be the plan with Artemis’ future lunar base

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:40:36 2023 No.15093366 >>15093318 Zhurong also missed its scheduled post-winter check in. It was supposed to reactivate a month ago, but there's been no official word on any activity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:43:06 2023 No.15093369 >>15093349 >Dude let’s just simulate leaving the cave >Bro let’s just simulate this shorter passage to India >Come on man! We can just pretend we went to the Moon in a trainer, we have all the math to simulate it

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:44:31 2023 No.15093371
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2023/01/01/a-radiation-spike-struck-nasas-juno-just-as-it-took-this-jaw-dropping-new-image
It's the only source I could find, and this image isn't on the Junocam website yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:48:55 2023 No.15093377 >>15093361 Vulcain is about $10 million each, and RS-68 is $20 millionish. It makes RL10 being expensive kind of stupid

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:49:38 2023 No.15093380 >>15093371 It was just a little spike, they delayed sending data but it was really a nothingburger They’ve dropped the Io photos about a week ago

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:52:16 2023 No.15093383

>>15093361
>CE-7.5
It can't be the worst option if you're looking for something in the RL-10's weight class. It was linked to a pair of mission failures in the GSLV-2, but those were pretty early in the program (one was on the first flight of the engine) and given India's eagerness for commercial space projects it wouldn't be hard to get a competitive price for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:53:05 2023 No.15093384 >>15093359 >>15093369 Yeah eventually. But we literally have zero experience on true long term space voyages.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:54:31 2023 No.15093386 >>15093366 Not my department

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:58:25 2023 No.15093393 File: 97 KB, 718x904, F77D24B6-124B-4C10-9E77-9315EAE5217B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093383 CE 20 is arguably even cooler. 186 kN of thrust and 442 second isp; it’s the most powerful upper stage engine in the world

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:00:04 2023 No.15093396
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>>15093268
Shit man, couldn't you just tilt the panels until the dust falls off? Also, by giving them tilt ability the panels can track the sun and increase its power generation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:06:57 2023 No.15093413 File: 57 KB, 260x640, valkerie2-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like light speed starships. We should build light speed starships! This is a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:08:53 2023 No.15093416 >>15092531 Is this some of the lockheed martin technology locked away in the oort cloud

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:09:45 2023 No.15093420 >>15093349 Because Mars is all abut ISRU which you can't do in Earth orbit. What you're describing is more like practice for a free floating station.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:13:47 2023 No.15093430 File: 142 KB, 1280x720, 3AEBDDCB-6546-44E2-A90D-C59F737DE8E3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] When is the earliest we will see nuclear spacecraft?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:15:51 2023 No.15093433 >>15093430 Probably a while. Because of all the regulatory hassle, new startups can't just do it on their own. It'll be like SLS but even slower.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:15:55 2023 No.15093434 >>15093430 Your spaceship looks all stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:16:15 2023 No.15093435 >>15093430 Hopefully never

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:16:31 2023 No.15093436 >>15092899 Funny you say that because old /sfg/ used to be pro-mars colonization and optimistic about it. Its only with nu/sfg/ that people say SpaceX won't do anything that doesn't have a financial motive for doing so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:20:33 2023 No.15093446 >>15093396 The dust is statically charged.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:22:37 2023 No.15093447 >>15093436 We have imported unironic NASA and SLS lovers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:23:16 2023 No.15093449 File: 203 KB, 1024x908, Stretton-State-College-2-e1461808711686-1024x908-1324335020.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093446 Land a playground slide next to it to discharge the static

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:23:24 2023 No.15093452 >>15093271 Lol no but if I got low rotor I bet it would feel like reentry before I died.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:27:17 2023 No.15093459 File: 2.94 MB, 1920x1080, moon_2023.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New year new scope

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:28:28 2023 No.15093463 File: 893 KB, 3023x2574, 26724572457.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093459

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:30:28 2023 No.15093468 File: 1.17 MB, 3024x4032, 26724572457.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093459

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:30:49 2023 No.15093469 >>15093459 did you listen to thunderf00t's advice?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:31:09 2023 No.15093470 >>15093430 Chinks may get serious about it from the 2040s onward once they 1) get their moon landing out of the way 2) get the General nuclear skill for it

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:31:30 2023 No.15093474

>>15093436
>people say SpaceX won't do anything that doesn't have a financial motive for doing so
A single corporation can't colonize a planet. No matter how much they want, that would require a lot of money from other sources, and that will only happen if there is gain to be had.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:32:37 2023 No.15093475 >>15093380 Where did they share it? I was waiting for this up until now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:33:07 2023 No.15093476 >>15093474 There is nothing a government can do that a company cannot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:35:01 2023 No.15093478 File: 119 KB, 730x472, pockocmoc_nuclear-electric-space-tug.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093430 You've seen it down at Zhukovsky. They were building the models.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:35:58 2023 No.15093482

>>15093475
Ummmm Io pics should be on the juno website, but I haven’t checked to confirm
I saw the news about the radiation spike on twitter but I don’t remember who said it. Either some engineer from JPL or a tweet from jonathan sneed mcdowell or something idk

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:44:32 2023 No.15093499

>>15093430
It'll probably be only for government owned spacecraft for specialist roles like nuclear powered marine ships today. The headaches of managing nuclear materiel and the regulations surrounding them would be too great for most to want to deal with. Some might even try high energy ion drives to match ntrs in efficiency and thrust. Although, this all assumes that an extra safe ntr will never be made. There might be new core compositions that we haven't considered yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:48:12 2023 No.15093506 >>15093499 Space is the place you can go wild with nuclear reactors since the outside is always deadlier than the inside of the reactor lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:48:24 2023 No.15093508 Tim Ellis has connections to the WEF, but he's also very vocal about a million people on mars does Klaus Schwab want to colonize space?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:48:50 2023 No.15093509 >>15093482 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/juno-spacecraft-recovering-memory-after-47th-flyby-of-jupiter it was a nothingburger but yeah

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:50:02 2023 No.15093512 >>15093506 Until an accident happens and the planet's magnetic field starfish primes whole orbits with the reactor materiel.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:51:39 2023 No.15093516

>>15093068
>astronomy shows how their religion is wrong
No, that is only something evangelical fundamentalists claim. And there are many non-religious rightists anyways.
>Hard when they don't like the price tag
It seems like your view of a RWer is stuck in the 1980s. Anyways, most of the great explorers of the past had views that would be considered "far right" today, and many of the original pioneers of space flight were literal national socialists, so its strange how dominated by left wing and radical liberal ideologues the industry is today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:52:54 2023 No.15093520 >>15093072 You're not wrong, I think a lot of people are just waiting for starship to launch to return to sfg again because of how inundated with FUD and doomerism this place is nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:54:26 2023 No.15093523 >>15093059 There are at least several. By now they might make up like 10-20% of active posters on sfg.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:58:51 2023 No.15093529 >>15093142 But many colonial societies were established by people who had little to zero economic motives. For example, Mormons going to Utah or Puritans to New England. >>15093147 is correct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:01:38 2023 No.15093532 >>15093529 None of those would have survived if they weren't surrounded by british or american expansionism.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:04:21 2023 No.15093537

>>15093516
>everything we like is good and everyone who made it possible is bad and we hate them

I'd really like it if people tried arguing against points people make instead of their own weird fantasy version of their opponents, but most people who are being dumb in internet arguments these days are just trying to emotionally win an argument against their parents telling them why they couldn't get a pony for Christmas as a kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:04:23 2023 No.15093538 >>15093516 I think its a case of poisoning the well, weird its happening to the space of all topics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:08:33 2023 No.15093549 >>15093516 >It seems like your view of a RWer is stuck in the 1980s. It seems like your view of a RWer is stuck in an imageboard. Most right wing people that matter are still the standard kind.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:08:34 2023 No.15093550

>>15093447
Yep, its sad really. I'm hoping things change after the first starship launch.
>>15093474
>A single corporation can't colonize a planet
That isn't a fact. That is an opinion. Starlink and star shield will generate absurd amounts of income for SpaceX to use. Also, setting up an initial colony isn't even really hard or expensive relatively speaking, its only establishing a fully self sustaining colony that is incredibly difficult.
Its interesting how /sfg/ has become more pessimistic about starlink even though it has had some major successes in the past year.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:11:40 2023 No.15093560

>>15093532
The Americans tried to exterminate the mormons repeatedly. It’s actually why they want all the way to Utah - no one else wanted to be there. The puritans also had very little support from the crown who didn’t give a shit about them until King Philips War, and even then only at the very end.
Please stop posting about things you know nothing about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:12:09 2023 No.15093561 anyone here feel like isaac arthur videos are 99% filler and goofy speculation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:12:19 2023 No.15093563 >>15093550 Is there any actual projection for starlink profits? And how is the current profit from telecommunications?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:14:41 2023 No.15093569 sls launched before vulcan, ariane, starship, h3....

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:15:43 2023 No.15093575
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>>15093549
If this were pre-2015 you'd be correct, but as you can see indicated on this chart, you're actually dead wrong. Trump ran in 2016 on a platform that was explicitly protectionist and not anti-healthcare like the GOP had been doing for the past several decades, which goes against the standard free market politics that had defined the right in America since reagen, and it allowed him to win the election in a landslide. After he failed to deliver on those promises and he ran on a more standard GOP platform in 2020, he ended up losing to a geriatric man in his 80s who can barely talk.
So your claim that "most RW people" are still the "standard kind" ie free market absolutists is dead wrong and probably based off your own anecdotal experiences with college republican types or something, not reality.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:15:45 2023 No.15093576

>>15093560
They still would't have developed without the major colonies around them, and would have been hunted by the indians.
Also, in both of those cases, they created colonies as a struggle for survival. There is no struggle for survival on Earth now.
Don't fall for the bullshit about overpopulation, and becoming interplanetary isn't a struggle for survival unless you are thinking about meme timescales that are irrelevant for the average person

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:16:23 2023 No.15093577

>>15093561
I have always hated him and never understood why anyone liked him. It’s so bizarre how he postures as like a reasoned hard scifi look at the real future when he basically just starts with 1-2 assumptions and builds a speculative scenario from there.
His “no stealthed spacecraft” episode was the worst. Rather than talking about how real stealth technology works and how it could be leveraged in the near-medium future or even interplanetary future of human warfare he immediately started talking about how the invisibility cloaks from star trek don’t real and how interplanetary warfare simply can’t be stealthy because any stealth technology must come with an equal measure of sensor technology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:16:32 2023 No.15093578 >>15093561 >is presented an interesting technical problem in spaceflight >"well actually fusion weactors would weesolve this because with fwee enagy you could do anything youa want" >refuses to elaborate further >leaves

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:16:46 2023 No.15093579 >>15093569 new glenn

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:16:57 2023 No.15093581 >>15093561 99%? I still like him, it's just storytelling with what-ifs and could-bes, which is all science fiction has ever been.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:19:12 2023 No.15093591 >>15093577 Stealth in space can't really be summed up on one video. It needs its own series to cover all the nuances, and even then most people overlook that stealth doesn't need to be perfect to be effective.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:20:15 2023 No.15093594

>>15093532
The Mormons actually had ok relations with the Indians and colonized the intermountain west and built a society up entirely on their own literally decades before any other significant white population entered the area and the puritans pretty much colonized New England on their own and relied entirely on local militias to defend themselves for nearly a hundred years. I don't think you know as much about American history as you think you do.
>>15093563
People used to post actual projections about starlink profits and the economics of it up until several months ago, but nowadays people are mostly too blackpilled or anti-SpaceX to even discuss it here anymore mostly . But to answer your question, yes there are. I'll try to find some of them later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:21:20 2023 No.15093596 >>15093561 He makes a lot of assumptions that are quite baseless, but he's better then people like kurgesat or however the hell they are spelled. Still in the realm of popsci though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:21:23 2023 No.15093597 >>15093579 i think new glenn will fly after neutron

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:23:00 2023 No.15093605

>>15093576
>They still would't have developed without the major colonies around them, and would have been hunted by the indians.
What an exceptionally stupid thing to say especially about the early puritans. All the colonies were fucking tiny, unsupported, starving and most of all HATED EACH OTHER. The reason the tribes couldn’t defeat them is the tribes were starving, diseased, and also fucking hated each other.
The mormons, for their part, formed their own militia and later more formalised armed forces, mainly to protect themselves from other Americans who repeatedly carried out pogroms against them (which obviously weren’t effective enough). It’s part of why mormons have a huge boner for doomsday warehouses and bunkers
>they created colonies as a struggle for survival
They both created colonies to escape religious/political persecution because they were fringe cults that were either very critical of the government (puritans) or constantly fucking other peoples wives (mormons)
Again it’s really obvious you don’t know anything about either colony

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:23:48 2023 No.15093608

>>15093581
that's fine but every video i see of his with an interesting topic i get frustrated by his starting assumptions and lack of rigor. he drones on and gets sidetracked and i realize i didnt learn anything or even gain a new perspective. wasted my time

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:24:28 2023 No.15093612

>>15093576
There were no colonies anywhere near the Mormons or Puritans when they established Deseret and the New England colonies. Also, only the Mormons were fleeing possible extermination. The puritans just were angry they weren't in control of Britain anymore and left so they could live in a society that they controlled entirely. Its feasible that some religious and ideological groups would wish to do something similar today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:25:24 2023 No.15093616 >>15093596 isnt kurgzat funded by bill gates or something? lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:26:47 2023 No.15093623 >>15091611 did this lady just reinvent integrals

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:27:07 2023 No.15093625

>>15093605
Not to mention on Mars there are no indians that require financially motivated colonists to protect non-financially motivated colonists from in the first place. Its weird the mental gymnastics people spin themselves into to just avoid saying "I think SpaceX and Elon Musk are lying and they don't intend on doing anything that won't produce a monetary gain".

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:28:06 2023 No.15093628

>>15093596
Kurz are OK sometimes. The ant videos are based and I appreciate the pro nuclear stuff and their pretty firm stance that being a doomer is retarded. When you accept that you have to convert under educated people to your point of view you appreciate popsci that is at least in the realm of truth. They do have some incredibly fucking gay videos though

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:34:23 2023 No.15093653
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>>15093608
>every video i see of his with an interesting topic i get frustrated by his starting assumptions and lack of rigor. he drones on and gets sidetracked and i realize i didnt learn anything or even gain a new perspective. wasted my time
I remember when I first felt that way about NDGT, at least IsaacArthur sometimes references an idea/concept/story I'm not yet familiar with, but yeah otherwise it's just a halfhour hit of "what if we did cloud cities?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:35:39 2023 No.15093656 File: 419 KB, 1125x1226, C80D2943-C08C-4135-B435-8B56FB2ACF9A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093653 Wtf I love Neil DeGrasse Tyson now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:35:45 2023 No.15093657 Well then I’m curious about how esefgee feels about Sabine germanlastname

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:37:43 2023 No.15093664 >>15092440 yeah but not tens of grams per square centimeter of plastic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:39:39 2023 No.15093673 >>15093656 Occasionally, he will make a remark that is contrary to what you'd expect him to say.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:40:20 2023 No.15093675 >>15093656 Biden administration needs to investigate him for that tweet

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:41:19 2023 No.15093681 >>15093625 For the hundredth time, this isn't about SpaceX. Elon cannot make colonization happen without support from other people, and most people only want to get richer or a better life for themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:42:59 2023 No.15093685 >>15093657 occasionally has something insightful to say. most of the time she's an insufferable contrarian who makes a living going against the grain. I might be biased for my dislike of her because I also hate Germans and women. Wish she wasnt ugly

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:43:53 2023 No.15093687
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>>15093681
Elon cannot make colonization happen without support from other people. That is why SpaceX has over ten thousand employees.
>>15093656
lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:44:34 2023 No.15093689 >>15093681 So you’re just not going to address the fact that every statement you made about American colonisation was untrue? What a gay way to converse >regardless of all my arguments being wrong I’m still right

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:46:16 2023 No.15093693 >>15093687 Women should not speak out of turn, nor criticize their male superiors. If she was my wife there would be a punishment for talking like that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:47:04 2023 No.15093696 >>15093689 This guy has had his arguments destroyed numerous times across multiple threads in the past week or so and is still unrelenting. I'm pretty sure he is the same doomer zoomer who whined about how he will die before space colonization.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:49:13 2023 No.15093700
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>>15093675
It gets worse. Its scary how anti-space and politically radical in general that side of twitter is, knowing these people are often quite wealthy and influential ideologically to the point that their ideas are considered within the overton window.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:50:46 2023 No.15093703 >>15093687 >>15093700 Nobody gives a shit about twitter m8

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:50:53 2023 No.15093704 >>15093561 Someone's got a case of the grumpys :) Did you forget to grab a drink and a snack?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:52:08 2023 No.15093708 >>15093700 >Its scary how anti-space and politically radical in general that side of twitter is No escape from the Prison Planet. Globohomo can't work if there's more than one Globo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:52:15 2023 No.15093709 >>15093696 >>15093700 I feel like an old man for asking this, but is spaceflight unpopular among gen z?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:52:21 2023 No.15093710 >>15093700 just call them niggers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:53:30 2023 No.15093713 >>15093689 My arguments are still right. And mormons and puritans are a very small part of the colonization. Most of it was gold rushes, plantations and converting indians if we are talking about the spanish and portuguese.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:54:48 2023 No.15093717

>>15093703
I will remain alarmed that a large segment of the US voting population considers Elon Musk, a guy with pretty moderate center-right political views, to be "literally fascist".
>>15093709
I'd say most of gen-z are nihilists who really don't care about anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:55:37 2023 No.15093721 >>15093709 Because they see it as representing the values and ideals of old, backwards people, and also the elite they hate. It's bullshit but that's eat.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:55:44 2023 No.15093723

Australian colonialism is funny
>let’s send hundreds of convicts to this mostly uncharted land on the actual other side of the world cause there might be coal and they can at least grow sheep.
>it’ll be good domestic propaganda anyway
>fill ships with convicts who will never be allowed home, including a ship full of women that is allegedly the worst behaved
>colony has like a 6:1 male:female ratio
>make said convicts build sea walls, do dangerous coal mining, build their own mobile stockades which they drag forward by hand as they build roads, carve you private baths out of ocean cliffs
>throw in Irish debtors and political dissidents
>country someone never comes to resent you at all
It was very unprofitable directly for a while but it was a useful series of ports and eventually sugar/coal/wool were produced enough to be of value.
I’m not sure this teaches us anything about mars colonisation but it sure does suggest you could get away with slave labour if theyre people no one gives a fuck about and eventually they get to become freemen

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 03:57:05 2023 No.15093727

>>15093713
You stated your arguments are still right and then proceeded to immediately concede your last set of arguments about mormons and puritans. Then you create a new fallacy to shore up your argument that non-financially motivated colonization is impossible, which is that it forms the minority of colonization historically. Even if that is true, it doesn't discount the fact that non-financially motivated colonization was still practiced quite regularly throughout history and often without any support from financially motivated colonists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:00:00 2023 No.15093733 >>15093723 I don't think slave labor would be tolerated by colonial programs coming from the western world, especially with mass media, but the chinese and perhaps the gulf states could get away with it probably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:01:50 2023 No.15093738 >>15093700 Billions for NASA, penises for the blacks Who cares.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:02:13 2023 No.15093739 >>15093717 I hate nihilism. Especially the Rick and Morty type of nihilism.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:02:28 2023 No.15093742

>>15093713
How could you possibly know any of that when you don’t know the most basic facts of early North American colonization? Why should any of your arguments-from-history be taken seriously?
A fuckload of colonisation was politically and not financially motivated, often carried out by fringe individuals/groups seeking either isolation or a chance to make a society in their image or to build a hermit kingdom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:06:54 2023 No.15093752 the year of dearmoon...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:09:44 2023 No.15093759 >>15093117 excellent but overproduced

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:11:16 2023 No.15093761 >>15093752 Dearmoon will definitely miss the 2023 date but 2024 isn’t impossible. I’d probably bet 2025 tbqh Polaris dawn is due for March though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:11:48 2023 No.15093762 >>15093761 Dear moon will happen in 2026. It was revealed to me in a dream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:17:09 2023 No.15093773 >>15093713 New England was all Puritans

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:17:42 2023 No.15093774 Is Europa clipper on track to meet its deadline?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:19:54 2023 No.15093780 I wonder how anons here will cope when martian colonization doesn't start during their life times. They will probably look at research stations and try to force that those are colonies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:21:05 2023 No.15093783 >>15093597 As much as I like to meme this, having an engine and a factory is important, and only one of those rockets has those.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:23:19 2023 No.15093787 >>15093656 he's cringe and gay etc. but he geniunely cares about scientific and technological progress, unlike most lefties who see it as a vehicle to advance their ideology

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:23:33 2023 No.15093788 >>15093780 If you say it enough times maybe you’ll trick a newfag into thinking you’re not the only one who thinks this, maybe even get them to agree with you

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:23:36 2023 No.15093789

>>15093780
Given that you have already demonstrated your oh-so superior knowledge of history, you now have resorted to ad-hominen and speculation to further top off your argument. This will surely convince everybody watching that you are a masterful debater. Your debate skills are very sharp indeed, fellow nu-sfg anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:28:54 2023 No.15093798 >>15093783 SLS also had completed engines (for 30 years at the time it was written into law)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:28:56 2023 No.15093799 >>15093783 Both starship and vulcan have engines and factories by this point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:31:31 2023 No.15093806 >>15093597 >>15093783 I don’t think anyone will be able to give an educated estimate of when NG will launch until we’re very close to the date.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:31:56 2023 No.15093808 >>15093788 >>15093789 wow i'm gonna put that much energy into debating in an imageboard

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:32:58 2023 No.15093810 >>15093806 Do they even give any update on it? I only recall seeing that video of them fishing the fairing from a pool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:33:17 2023 No.15093811 >>15093806 have they made a bulkhead yet? and new jarvis doesnt count since they clearly gave up on it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:34:31 2023 No.15093813 >>15093810 bruh they been fucking around with fairings for years now, it's kinda crazy

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:37:41 2023 No.15093821

>>15093808
Its not that, its that you made objectively false statements multiple times, and when confronted, you resulted to bloviating about how you're going to be right and everybody but you is coping. You shouldn't have bothered arguing in the first place if you were just going to result to ad-retardum.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:40:31 2023 No.15093833

>>15093808
>argues on an image board for several posts over many hours
>people eventually start replying with real counter arguments
>uhh actually debating on an imageboard is retarded not worth my valuable time
Then you should have stopped posting ages ago. The butthurt is real

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:42:09 2023 No.15093836 >>15093709 Every gen z kid wears NASA hoodies, so no

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:44:36 2023 No.15093844 >>15093810 >>15093811 The fact that I’m not sure anyone not working at BO could give an educated guess at these is why I don’t think anyone at all has any real idea of when it will launch

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:56:23 2023 No.15093870 >>15093709 Zoomers are very easily influenced so they're simultaneously against space colonization, pro NASA, and fatalistic that they're all going to be killed by climate change in the next three years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:58:22 2023 No.15093874 Is lunar orbit too unstable for navigation or starlink sats?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:00:25 2023 No.15093879 File: 319 KB, 415x641, 1590019997844.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093709 No, they think the money should go to help the poor. They also think colonization is a bad word.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:00:29 2023 No.15093880 >>15093717 I’m Gen-Z but I despise nihilists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:01:18 2023 No.15093881 >>15093874 Apparently the moon has a very uneven gravity field, it's hard for stuff to stay on low orbit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:02:29 2023 No.15093884 >>15093836 they wear rolling stones hoodies too. they do not listen to the stones lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:04:01 2023 No.15093887 >>15093879 this picture never fails to make me laugh

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:04:03 2023 No.15093888 >>15093709 Its always unpopular amongst every generations.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:04:08 2023 No.15093889

>>15093874
low lunar orbit, yes. Could be remedied (in theory mind you) by Starship’s “supposed” super-low launch cost and high launch cadence i.e. just keep spamming the Moon with more sats every few years as the orbits decay and sats fall to the lunar surface. But it would be way easier to just launch them in higher orbits with more stability. Plus I don’t think the americans/chinese astronauts with their lunar bases in the future will be happy to have starlinks constantly threatening to crash into them at any moment

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:06:58 2023 No.15093892 >>15093879 Well, the non-white ones certainly fit that description. Most white zoomers don't care/know enough about space stuff to have an opinion though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:09:19 2023 No.15093897 >>15093880 Well you're an exception. Most zoomers don't care about much besides getting their next fix of weed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:09:33 2023 No.15093898 >>15093874 Unconventionally speaking, Earth is a stable orbit for the moon. Such that a laser pointed from earth can be used as navigations system on the moon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:09:34 2023 No.15093899 Looking at twitter posts and concluding “space is left wing now” is dumb. The whole website leans towards a type of left that you just don’t see in person much. Too many people take twitter too seriously, like Musk himself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:10:38 2023 No.15093903 >>15093899 Space was never left wing. Its always been part of the military which is neutral/right wing. NASA trying to create a rainbow alliance doesnt change shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:12:25 2023 No.15093904 File: 503 KB, 1760x1256, 3303.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093879 >>15093887 Basketball American fatigue is as American as apple pie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:12:51 2023 No.15093906 >>15093898 does anyone have any designs for a ground based LASCOM system for the moon? It seems cheaper and faster than building and launching a satellite for LEO to send and receive to the moon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:15:13 2023 No.15093908 >>15093903 Yep. How could space possibly be left wing? The most left wing person actually involved in spaceflight is probably Peter Beck, on the sole basis that he’s a kiwi and his parents were academics

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:15:28 2023 No.15093909 >>15093889 >chinese astronauts with their lunar bases Not on my watch

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:17:22 2023 No.15093915 If I added up every star in the universe, would my final number be even or odd

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:17:37 2023 No.15093917 >Berg puts starship orbital refueling within the same timeframe as New Glenn finally launching >says 2024 for both If you had tried to explain this to someone in 2017 they would have laughed in your face.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:19:30 2023 No.15093922 File: 63 KB, 612x409, gettyimages-152209956-612x612.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093904 This one gets me too, they're waiting for Apollo 11 to launch and protesting at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:22:12 2023 No.15093926 >>15093917 At this point i’ve given up trying to estimate upcoming spaceflight time tables. Shit is way too unpredictable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:22:22 2023 No.15093927 >>15093922 >la raza Kek remember the public FAA call and the activist girl? The Mexican ICBMs the schizo who said spacex cut her power? And then the based sperg who said we should kill all martians? Best esefgee threads imo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:22:42 2023 No.15093928 >>15093917 neither of those are happening in '24, what is he smoking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:22:50 2023 No.15093929 >>15093917 Refueling is harder timeline, since Starship will have to launch ~5-10 before refueling happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:25:06 2023 No.15093938 >>15093927 BZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:29:15 2023 No.15093946 File: 315 KB, 1242x1478, 0624930A-84F9-4DB0-B9BB-763560716913.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093928 >>15093929 Here, I’ll let him speak for himself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:32:24 2023 No.15093953 File: 44 KB, 400x400, ashlee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:54:49 2023 No.15093983 File: 23 KB, 781x201, godspeed mr williams.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15093927

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 05:55:48 2023 No.15093986 >>15093938 >>15093983 kek honestly this was one of the best /sfg/ moments ever

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 06:26:49 2023 No.15094021 >>15093986 Best /Sfg/ moments >very early tankwatch threads >first starship crash >HLS award >first successful starship landing >FAA call thread >mueller’s special bathroom trip

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 06:56:17 2023 No.15094050 >>15094021 >found the secret everyday googledoc /sfg/ shidded on a dude that’s going to do a moon flyby

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 07:04:45 2023 No.15094060 >>15094050 Kek remember when he was a literally who and this was one of the only places where people even knew of him?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 07:16:50 2023 No.15094075 >>15094060 Maybe clout hunters keep name dropping their literally who asses in here for the sake of name and fame generation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 07:48:09 2023 No.15094104 >>15094075 Only somewhat related but did cost plus content anon die or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 07:51:19 2023 No.15094110 >>15093983 Does anybody have the thread archive?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 08:00:47 2023 No.15094121 >>15093687 >and jews I hate jews so much

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 08:01:46 2023 No.15094124 >>15094104 Shame cause his last two videos were quite good

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 08:07:41 2023 No.15094129 >>15093596 I like how often kurzgesagt’s name gets maimed >kursgegat >kursgersgat >kurzgerat >kurzgesgat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 08:30:55 2023 No.15094153 https://youtu.be/sbl_yIUe4AM micro starship

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 08:35:53 2023 No.15094164 >Scott Manley is 50 years old

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 08:39:10 2023 No.15094167 >>15094153 Zubrin got to him

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 08:40:25 2023 No.15094171 >>15094153 Isn't that just an updated DC-X though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 08:40:28 2023 No.15094172 >>15094170 >>15094170 >>15094170 NEW THREAD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 11:26:42 2023 No.15094357 >>15093656 NDGT is a cringe retard but he's also a based retard he's a real hero

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