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/sfg/ Spaceflight General Anonymous Mon Sep 5 18:49:57 2022 No.14823528 [Reply] [Original]

aesthetics edition

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 18:54:19 2022 No.14823538 File: 31 KB, 675x472, 5bc2d4f0-2c7e-11ed-9a1d-375d3de8680a.cf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >leaks

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 18:54:39 2022 No.14823539 File: 450 KB, 1024x769, auzziesReceiveAgiftFromTheHeavens.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 18:58:00 2022 No.14823551 >>14823528 EARTHER (derogatory)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 18:58:25 2022 No.14823552 File: 600 KB, 984x1536, 1962 - Spaceflights series stamp 1 - Universal conquest - (30 h.).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823528 FTS Archive https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 18:59:24 2022 No.14823558 >>14823528 how does it feel to watch a rocket launch irl bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:00:31 2022 No.14823563 >>14823558 Like warm apple pie

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:05:29 2022 No.14823572 I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:06:43 2022 No.14823574 >>14823558 like a rock concert but instead of good music it's just thunder across the land and fire in the sky

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:17:16 2022 No.14823598 File: 488 KB, 755x541, 1608029864121.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what is he up to these days?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:17:17 2022 No.14823599 >>14823558 Your heart races as you feel the rumbling vibrations and the noise of those powerful engines. Its an experience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:17:25 2022 No.14823600 >>14823539 мoнoлит

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:22:02 2022 No.14823612 >>14823538 >Scrubbed Leak System

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:25:09 2022 No.14823622 File: 47 KB, 545x728, poe ripper glow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823572

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:29:32 2022 No.14823635
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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-09-04/nasa-s-artemis-rocket-is-a-gigantic-failure-and-waste-of-money

Is it just me or have there been a lot of articles like this after the latest scrub? I don't remember seeing basically any in mainstream outlets before this.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:30:02 2022 No.14823638

>>14823598
I was hoping he would get sent off to the front line but that little faggot made a pile of money from corruption so I'm assuming he just retired after getting fired his position at Roscosmos. I do however miss his antics.

https://transparency.org.ru/en/special/rogozin

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:30:03 2022 No.14823639 >>14823598 Captain of the Moskva

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:31:23 2022 No.14823646 >>14823638 nah he got promoted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:33:35 2022 No.14823649 File: 79 KB, 680x847, cringe soyence.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823528 >aesthetics edition flimsy facades for flamboyant faggots

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:36:52 2022 No.14823655 >>14823538 sorry anon she just gets a little too excited before the big moment

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:39:37 2022 No.14823662 >>14823600 иди кo мнe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atm0GwWs6lw

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:40:02 2022 No.14823664 >>14823635 No matter who you are SLS's problems have become impossible to ignore to all but the most willfully ignorant ardent shills

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:41:06 2022 No.14823666 >>14823635 $45 billion dollar spent over the last decade trying to get SLS going up into space with a technology that hasn't matured since the 60s. Nothing new is created, nothing innovative is created. Yet we've spent $45 billion already on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:41:26 2022 No.14823667 File: 85 KB, 574x856, space capsule rescue vs spaceplane style.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823635 there's blood in the water and the sharks are hungry

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:52:14 2022 No.14823698 >>14823666 Price will double in the next 4-5 years if we also include the hardware necessary for SLS/Orion/MLS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:53:48 2022 No.14823705 >>14823667 I like retro images like this because I don't have to wish that their creator would die, they're dead already.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:54:39 2022 No.14823711 >>14823538 >restrained >launch denial >goes back to the cuck VAB

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:56:15 2022 No.14823716 >>14823538 when this nigga getting diapers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:02:43 2022 No.14823736 >>14823666 When (if) they manage to get 1 launch off before putting it out of its misery, can we honestly say that it ended up costing $45billion per launch?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:02:53 2022 No.14823737 >>14823711 >projecting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:06:12 2022 No.14823744 >>14823666 In 2011 was there any existing rocket system that could have accomplished Artemis missions?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:08:26 2022 No.14823751 File: 461 KB, 3032x1986, 217314main_iss016e032317_hires_full.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823744 Yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:10:10 2022 No.14823755 >>14823635 luckily this isn't an issue directly related to race so MSM can write an honest article

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:11:09 2022 No.14823759

>>14823635
It has already been decided within the government that it is going to be canceled, the JWST embarrassment is too recent in memory for the political leaders and they need every penny they can get right now for Ukraine. What you're seeing in that article is called "predictive programming", they are letting you know now that cancelation is possible so that you will accept it when it happens, its a effective psycological manipulation method because it offsets the early parts of the denial-acceptance process to before the announcement, that way they get little to no pushback when it actually happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:12:06 2022 No.14823761 File: 65 KB, 1x1, 1638047812932.pdf [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823751 Have fun doing your homework, retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:12:08 2022 No.14823762 File: 2.37 MB, 4096x2467, Fb2LN8XWYAA7ePl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the skies are strange

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:13:07 2022 No.14823763

Gateway and the SLS need to be scrapped. Put the resources into Starship and Superheavy.

They can launch orion on Falcons until starship crew is ready to transfer people to the HLS. Transferring crew in earth orbit. After HLS refueling at the orbital propellant depot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:13:19 2022 No.14823764 >>14823755 >CNN: NASA was going to send blacks to the moon, but racist Republicans in congress canceled it If a pro-SLS chimpout can be arranged, that might be the only that could save it at this stage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:14:20 2022 No.14823766 File: 21 KB, 400x275, mcr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823751 what i saw scrolling too fast

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:14:55 2022 No.14823768

>>14823761
>Answer: The maximum cargo mass is 55,000 pounds, so the OMS fuel would require 64,796 / 55,000 = 1.2 times the maximum load of the Space Shuttle cargo bay. No, the Shuttle does not have enough capacity to lift all of the required OMS fuel to Earth orbit.
Not a problem, just refuel it in orbit.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:15:51 2022 No.14823770 >>14823744 Falcon 9 existed in 2011. Falcon heavy existed in 2018. Starship exists in 2022(2023). The problem wasn't that other vehicles existed, it was always a pork program. Congress specifically would not consider any other vehicle but SLS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:16:01 2022 No.14823771 >>14823769 SpaceX has better girls

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:16:21 2022 No.14823772 >>14823761 >pounds Shiggy diggy

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:16:22 2022 No.14823773

>>14823666

Starship is still a big question mark. SLS being based on proven (old) technology was lest risky. If there are commercial alternatives they can just switch. if not they still have a vehicle to keep allocating funding to. The main purpose was to keep funding the shuttle contractors and that mission was accomplished even if it never flys.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:18:10 2022 No.14823783
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>>14823552
15 new stamps from Asia; 7 from Mongolia, 5 from Vietnam, 2 from North Korea, and 1 from Malaysia.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12-xeRwGjrQRFGJAOdBjAs2rYRrBzi0_J?usp=sharing

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:18:17 2022 No.14823785

Full artemis stack is too long for Falcon. So 2 heavy launches to get the ICPS and orion up and docked. Then several more heavy launches to send a LEM and ground support equipment to the moon.

Costs less than the 0 sls launches we've had so far. Could have been done already.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:18:35 2022 No.14823787

>>14823751
But shuttle was considered a bad idea?

Unfortunately sometimes you can't fully determine a bad idea until a lot of money and time was spent on it, in rocketry.

The impetus to create the shuttle in the first place was to try to give crew a cozier ride and a novel form of payload transport/release?

Now starship kind of took some of those cues.

And SLS looked back to the tried and true successes of Apollo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:18:40 2022 No.14823788 File: 46 KB, 424x649, shuttle deathtrap wm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823751 DEATHTRAP

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:18:58 2022 No.14823789 >>14823635 The media are opposed to SLS because that money should have been sent to Israel as foreign aid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:19:58 2022 No.14823792 >>14823705 kek

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:19:59 2022 No.14823793

>>14823785
Yeah but congress mandated that Orion be equipped with heavier cargo such that FH could not carry it in one go and splitting payload into multiple launches was something congress was against since the primary specifications for SLS was to keep jobs program in their states.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:20:11 2022 No.14823795 File: 484 KB, 1128x1488, 1985 - Halley's comet series stamp 3 - Vega 1&2 - (3 ₫).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823783 One of the Vietnamese stamps, Vega 1&2

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:20:52 2022 No.14823797 >>14823787 The only thing the shuttle did well. Was serve as an orbital repair shop. Though considering the extra costs and the loss of skylab. It might be cheaper to just build new satellites to replace broken ones. Using non shuttle rockets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:21:13 2022 No.14823799 File: 565 KB, 1486x1108, 1966 - Series stamp 3 - Luna 10 - (40 ₩).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823795 And one of the two DPRK stamps, Luna 10

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:21:27 2022 No.14823800 File: 65 KB, 941x709, aces.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A solution for the Artemis program.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:22:37 2022 No.14823803
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>>14823770
For that matter, Delta IV Heavy has always existed. It even launched Orion once. You could run a lunar mission using Delta IVs for less than what the SLS ended up costing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:22:59 2022 No.14823806 File: 537 KB, 1536x2048, uhhhhhrocket.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone here seen the orange rocket IRL??

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:23:26 2022 No.14823808 >>14823769 i hate fat people so much

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:24:15 2022 No.14823812 File: 88 KB, 1199x929, 1662403608518052.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why did he do this? He just poked the sacred cow. Look for more BO suits in the future

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:26:08 2022 No.14823817
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>>14823558
It's a lot like watching fireworks except, y'know, it doesn't explode once it reaches 1200 feet

I was at an Atlas V night launch and the STS-65 day launch and the spectacle of it is actually improved once you know what's going on. Night launches are better, I think, because you can see it all the way up to staging, and if there are any clouds, the way they get lit up as the rocket passes through is pretty amazing. I've come to appreciate a good streak photo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:28:15 2022 No.14823820 >>14823812 He should launch counter-suits against BO in return. He isn't some helpless underdog, he is a multibillionaire who controls a company far more powerful then BO will ever be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:29:39 2022 No.14823822 >>14823806 Out the fucking way wenches people want to see the rogget

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:29:56 2022 No.14823823 >>14823812 >sacred cow Not really. Plenty of normies think like this nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:31:12 2022 No.14823828 >>14823768 >, just refuel it in orbit. Doesn't the scrub the other day show that fueling is even difficult on earth? How much big ship to tanker refueling has occurred in space?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:32:25 2022 No.14823830 >>14823828 >Doesn't the scrub the other day show that fueling is even difficult on earth? no

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:32:25 2022 No.14823831 File: 35 KB, 500x356, 1657334655177.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823806 If they are going to take that type of picture at least wear a bikini

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:32:39 2022 No.14823833 File: 15 KB, 600x360, ugly bignose jew bitch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823769 look at the size of that jew's nose, not as big as picrel, but its got a better "shlomo's hook"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:34:13 2022 No.14823841 File: 165 KB, 1080x1492, nasa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823831 tall one isn't a girl

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:35:45 2022 No.14823844 >>14823841 That girl has some huge nuts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:36:15 2022 No.14823847 >>14823841 >r/lesbianactually Ohnonono I actually feel sorry for lesbians having this shit to deal with

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:36:34 2022 No.14823848 File: 856 KB, 240x228, 164641631.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823841 every day I am more convinced that the world ended in 2012 and this is hell

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:36:36 2022 No.14823849 [DELETED]

>>14823768
The math in that is all fucked up because they confused ft/s with m/s and they didn't consider that the extra mass would decrease delta-v. The Space Shuttle Orbital Maneuvering System gave a delta-v of 300 m/s, not 1000 m/s. The volume of hydrolox required to get to the Moon and back probably couldn't fit inside the payload bay and not to mention all the other issues like life support even with a EDO pallet and rated engine burn time.

In no reality does a lunar Space Shuttle make any sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:36:38 2022 No.14823851 >>14823841 Sorry to disappoint you, but all of them are females. >Anna Menon >Sarah Gillis >Haley Esparza

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:37:04 2022 No.14823853

https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/inno/stories/news/2022/08/24/moonshot-museum-sets-opening-date.html

Missed this, apparently Astrobotic is opening a museum.

>The Moonshot Museum, set to be Pennsylvania's first space museum, has set an opening date.

>Come Oct. 15, 2022, the museum will open to the public.

Might be worth checking out if only to find out how done Peregrine is

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:39:12 2022 No.14823858 >>14823853 >apparently Astrobotic is opening a museum. Why are they wasting cash on this when they are nearly bankrupt?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:39:25 2022 No.14823859 >>14823770 Starship may someday come about, SLS is REAL

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:41:33 2022 No.14823865 >>14823851 >Harvey Esparza

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:42:22 2022 No.14823867

>>14823828
The difficulty with SLS take 2 were related to opening a valve they didn't intend to open and then thinking the resulting leak was coming from the main fuel line. They opened the valve because they were using a non-standard manual process to avoid the issues they had in SLS take 1 where they thought one of the RS-25s wasn't chilling because they got a bad sensor reading. You can avoid all of these problems by actually knowing what you're doing.

Also, the shuttle's OMS uses Hydrazine/NTO, which is a lot less twitchy than cryogenic fuels. Similar refueling operations are undertaken every time Progress tops off Zvezda's maneuvering tanks. There's been smaller retanking experiments in LEO but mostly when someone wants to refill a satellites RCS fuel they just dock another maneuvering bus to it.

>>14823851
Saying that is female is like saying that Amtrak is a spaceplane

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:43:31 2022 No.14823868 >>14823851 all of them are trannies?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:45:49 2022 No.14823874 >>14823841 rent free. you have to go back https://nitter.ca/haleykesparza/status/1566477789112504326

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:46:29 2022 No.14823877 >>14823828 And wasn’t the shuttle also incapable of restarting its engines, it needed the launch mount to get them going

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:47:29 2022 No.14823882

>>14823635
Media owners have always shat on NASA when they get the chance because they want everything privatized and publicly listed, what you will never see them do is shit on ULA / Boeing over SLS because it doesn't fit the "government bad" narrative.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:50:25 2022 No.14823895 >>14823751 >comes into /sfg/ >doesn't know shit about rocketry Hi /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:52:01 2022 No.14823900 >>14823895 Hi :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:54:07 2022 No.14823906 >>14823751 Since effectively the only use of artemis is launching astronauts, the space shuttle could unironically replace the SLS when paired with lunar starship

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:55:25 2022 No.14823908 >>14823828 >Doesn't the scrub the other day show that fueling is even difficult on earth? >Doesn't the gross incompetence and grifting of cost plus contractors using museum pieces mean that x activity is hard Space is not hard, dilate tranny

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:57:03 2022 No.14823913 File: 165 KB, 1600x900, the horror.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823906 imagine...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:57:15 2022 No.14823916 >>14823906 No because lunar Starship can't return to LEO.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:01:47 2022 No.14823935 File: 134 KB, 667x807, n shuttle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823913

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:04:11 2022 No.14823940 File: 70 KB, 580x632, ap space ship cards edit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:04:36 2022 No.14823942 >>14823916 surely it'd be possible to set up a mission profile to do refueling of LS around the moon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:07:06 2022 No.14823948 >>14823867 >>14823868 Your sixth sense is wrong this time. https://youtu.be/LXEvsOuTNWo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:08:38 2022 No.14823953 File: 126 KB, 596x608, Derek K. Stone astro mmu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:09:21 2022 No.14823956 >>14823916 I'm sure it can. If it leaves leo with a full tank and less cargo. >>14823940

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:09:39 2022 No.14823957 >>14823942 yes. you can even refuel in a high earth orbit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:11:09 2022 No.14823961 Why can't Goddard Space Flight Center into the rocket equation? The Shuttle would need almost 1000 tonnes of MMH/NTO to get ~8,000 m/s of delta-v with AJ10 engines, without including any extra tank mass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:14:31 2022 No.14823972 File: 33 KB, 443x455, 1556485212363.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] based spaceboomer https://youtu.be/dmKmmPIA6FA

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:14:51 2022 No.14823973 >>14823972 Get filtered.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:21:00 2022 No.14823988
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>>14823961
because NASA can't do math
same reason jwst was a ridiculous 15 year late and $88 billion over budget, same reason SLS is 7 years behind schedule and also over budget by $6 billion and counting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:22:18 2022 No.14823991 >>14823848 I've had the same feeling. It's like the World's Soul died on December 21st and were all in purgatory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:23:08 2022 No.14823993 File: 1.31 MB, 1200x630, nasa-presentation-before-powerpoint-1961-fb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823988 We need them back bros

>>	moronfag !!zvLqeK4GQhl Mon Sep 5 21:26:31 2022 No.14823998 >>14823539 this image looks like a chaos demon just portaled behind some adventurers, but the guy on the right is about to grab his lute and do some crazy stuff to dispatch it awesomely

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:28:17 2022 No.14824002 >>14823988 >>14823993 When did they change the dress code?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:30:13 2022 No.14824005 >>14823993 men are so much smarter than girls it's unreal

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:31:12 2022 No.14824007 >>14823988 Because they were not properly funded, which caused delays which further increased the cost?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:31:14 2022 No.14824008 File: 57 KB, 432x335, obama MissionaryChurch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823848 >>14823991 Re-electing Obongo is what caused the bad timeline. Was Mormon Mitt really so bad? This is the fate you chose

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:35:18 2022 No.14824016 >>14823988 you might've switched the quotes around

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:37:17 2022 No.14824021 File: 52 KB, 900x507, SLS configurations.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823803 LLL is real?!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:38:03 2022 No.14824022 >>14824021 SLS is literally just a scaled up, less reliable Delta IV Medium with Shuttle parts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:47:28 2022 No.14824044 >RS-25 high performance upper stage for muh heritage hardware >kerosene first stage with F1 clone for muh proven technology IT COULD HAVE BEEN SO FUCKING GOOD. FUCK NASA I DONT BELIEVE THEY WERE FORCED TO BUILD SOMETHING THIS BAD

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:48:14 2022 No.14824046 fuck hydrogen upper stages, the upper stage should have been vacuum f-1

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:49:05 2022 No.14824048 >>14823988 the absolute state of JPL

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:50:48 2022 No.14824052 >>14823820 success in the mutt legal system hinges on how jewish your lawyers are BO has more jews, and so litigation would just be dumping money in a hole

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:50:55 2022 No.14824053
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By the late 90’s, the United States had fallen behind in the commercial launch market. Europe, China, and Russia all dominated what was once America’s playing field.
To make matters worse, American launchers had not only become too diverse (Atlas, Prometheus, and Delta all required independent production lines), but they had also become too big. The Prometheus III could but 23 tons into LEO, but small commercial satellites just couldn’t fly on such a large beast.

The answer was the Prometheus IV family. The twin H-1 engines which powered the III variants were replaced with a single E-1 engine. Prometheus IV was designed to become the “Swiss army knife” of launchers.

Also notable are the solid rocket motors. The family could hold up to six GEM 46 motors in addition to a pair of liquid cores. When flying with all six motors, four were lit on the ground, and two in midair.

>Prometheus IV Light
Used a single common booster core. The upper stage was a small Agena, which was hung inside the 3 meter fairing with an adapter.

>Prometheus IV Medium
Also used a single core. The second stage was replaced by a single engine Centaur. In this case, the fairing sat on top of the Centaur. Due to aerodynamic issues, a maximum of 2 solid motors could be used.

>Prometheus IV Medium+
It also used a single engine centaur on top of a single core stage. However, the fairing surrounded the entire Centaur. This allowed the vehicle to use up to six solid motors.

>Prometheus Heavy/Short
Used a trio of cores topped by a large cryogenic upper stage. Used for crew transfer to the ISS, as well as medium sized cargo to LEO.

>Prometheus IV Heavy/Medium
Stretched the upper stage slightly. Used to launch heavy cargo resupply vessels as well as big payloads to LEO.

>Prometheus IV/Heavy Long
The ultimate evolution of the Prometheus. Extended the second stage to its maximum. With six solid motors, it could place 30 tons into LEO.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:51:14 2022 No.14824056 Do we have any idea what rocket engines the WZ-8 could be using? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ombY3jzn-Us

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:51:32 2022 No.14824057 >>14824053 How do you make these drawings?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:57:03 2022 No.14824066 >>14824052 >success in the mutt legal system hinges on how jewish your lawyers are what about the lobbying system

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:57:51 2022 No.14824067 >>14824053 Literally stop wasting your time on alt history Go do something useful

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:58:51 2022 No.14824071 >>14824056 Hypergolic biprop electric pump fed. If it's not that then fix your shit wumao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:00:06 2022 No.14824075 >>14823803 Delta IV Heavy doesn't have the throw to do a TLI with something the size of a manned spacecraft.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:01:21 2022 No.14824079 >>14824075 Just launch two or more

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:02:32 2022 No.14824080
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>>14824021
Ares? Yes... that was what they used to call me. Ares the Orange. That was my name.
I am SSS the White. And I come back to you now - at the turn of the tide.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:03:16 2022 No.14824082 File: 392 KB, 2000x1600, 176612main_jsc2007e20981_hires.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824075 It's NOT fat I just have large isogrids ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:03:26 2022 No.14824084 File: 428 KB, 986x542, 18D6F679-3A2D-4935-BC80-E6B4C1F80C64.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824057 A KSP Mod called Kronal Vessel Viewer and Adobe. >>14824067 I’m at work watching yeast cells divide it’s boring mate

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:03:31 2022 No.14824085 >>14824080 >I am SSS the White Racist af

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:04:12 2022 No.14824086 >>14824080 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:04:31 2022 No.14824088 >>14824080 Aaahh I'm ploooming

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:04:33 2022 No.14824089 >>14824084 >I’m at work watching yeast cells divide it’s boring mate Do something else work related then baka

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:05:51 2022 No.14824091 >>14824064 HOT

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:06:04 2022 No.14824094 File: 84 KB, 720x1581, 5B1FE1A6-DEEF-4A1D-808D-03F9105B3EA1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Opinion on OmegA

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:10:11 2022 No.14824101 >>14824094 I still remember the day it died there was an anon here who worked on it, went berserk blaming musk & Co.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:10:12 2022 No.14824102
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>>14823552
Went out again with binos this evening; all Galilean moons are clearly visible, though still with this scuffed-ass photo you can't really see that.
The two moons that are visible are Ganymedes and Europa, closer to Jupiter would be Io (which I think you can see if you squint enough), and left of Jupiter would be Callisto
With an actual tripod-mounted telescope you might be able to see something more than a blur.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:10:13 2022 No.14824103 File: 2.52 MB, 1996x3000, Ares_I.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824094 Ares I with new solids instead of Shuttle era ones.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:11:04 2022 No.14824105
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>>14824075
Here's your lunar Delta IV mission outline. Since you're replacing SLS you can leave off the lunar lander half.

>>14824094
I like it. It takes a lot of balls to roll up to a launch vehicle competition with a big pile of solid stages when 2/3rds of your competitors have first stage reusability.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:14:04 2022 No.14824112 >>14824101 Source¿

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:15:47 2022 No.14824115
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Why is nobody talking about Ship 26 and 27 having their heatshields removed?
This is a major change that doesn't make much sense. If SpaceX wants to speed up the launches of Starlink V2, it's pointless because they're only imited to 5 flight per year from Starbase and launch site at LC-39A isn't ready.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:17:30 2022 No.14824118 >>14824115 If they can only launch 5 times a year it doesn't matter if they recover them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:20:30 2022 No.14824122 >>14824118 It matters a lot. They have to test the reusabiliy aspect of Starship and the only place where you can currently do that is Starbase.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:23:22 2022 No.14824129 >>14824122 They will work on landing the Booster then move on to landing Starship.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:27:01 2022 No.14824132 >>14824044 They were required to use solids and the ET.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:33:41 2022 No.14824145 File: 10 KB, 287x176, f1b vs ar1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824044 Aerojet cannot make new F-1, even the F-1B for the booster was only a proposal and that was only possible because there was an F-1 in a museum. >270 ISP It's shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:33:45 2022 No.14824146 >>14824067 >REEE STOP HAVING FUN >everyone has the be a miserable husk like MEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:35:00 2022 No.14824149 >>14824145 >299 seconds in a vacuum Is F-1 actually a shitty engine?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:39:37 2022 No.14824156 >>14824149 Yes. It's just so damn big it brute forces its way to orbit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:41:02 2022 No.14824160 What are some estimates of how much the starship project has cost? Is it any where close to SLS? SS does have a reliable source of income in the future so it does seem like they could burn cash rather safely

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:42:57 2022 No.14824163 >>14824160 Around $10 billion. Starlink and government/commercial contracts

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:46:59 2022 No.14824168 File: 408 KB, 576x512, 00011-4190642936.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824112 perhaps you could take a look at the archives from around that time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:48:59 2022 No.14824170 >>14824149 By modern standards it is not that great of an engine, it produces an incredible amount of thrust but has the ISP of solids.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:50:36 2022 No.14824178 >>14823993 what is this a presentation on

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:52:27 2022 No.14824183 File: 16 KB, 199x199, 1544714927430.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823988

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:52:30 2022 No.14824184 >>14824094 it would of worked if not for spacex being a thing and it literally lead to several family members losing their jobs. still mad at elon but at least what spacex is doing is cool i guess

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:54:04 2022 No.14824187 >>14823988 Imagine if they all farted at once haha

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 22:58:31 2022 No.14824194 File: 5 KB, 255x168, 1585443030897.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824184 >would of

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:03:44 2022 No.14824198 File: 208 KB, 323x500, Jupiter III Artist Rendition.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823538 This isn't even my final form.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:07:09 2022 No.14824205

>>14824008
>
Mitt bent himself into a pretzel shape to suck the whole dick and balls of the exact people who coronated Ongobongo the second we elected a president who wasn't a globohomo traitor. He would be 100% as bad (on purpose) as the current potato-in-chief.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:07:49 2022 No.14824206 >>14824194 fuck you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:20:50 2022 No.14824224 >>14824184 >make shitty all solid rocket >it loses to 2 different better rockets >blames Musk and not the people who made the shitty rocket

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:23:29 2022 No.14824229 File: 512 KB, 1920x1440, bb8156c4-b1dc-489a-9744-da0a3b42b71f_rw_1920.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] TIL there were proposals for SLS boosters that used 3 AR1 engines

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:24:59 2022 No.14824232 File: 20 KB, 383x367, AJ1E6 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824229 AR1 have twin chambers like the Russian engines they are based on so 3 was actually 6

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:37:16 2022 No.14824253 File: 207 KB, 1024x683, gettyimages-1135554356-1024x1024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey so is sls launchin soon? basically all i care about

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:38:10 2022 No.14824255 >>14824253 Net October >>14824232 >>14824229 ULA should’ve switched to AR1

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:48:34 2022 No.14824278
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>>14824253
October 22nd is the date to watch. NASA is going to try and launch before that window, but dawn at the cape in October happens at about 7:30 AM so the 22nd has the best chance for a jellyfish. You're not going to see anything on the 23rd since that launch window starts right at dawn and the close of the window of the 21st is probably too early for anything.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 23:57:37 2022 No.14824297

>>14824149
It's a dedicated liquid booster, it trades of a huge chunk of efficiency for sheer, massive thrust power to lift huge rockets off the ground. Consider how the volume of a combustion chamber will change as it expands and what impact that would have on the necessary size and power of turbomachinery, and further how all that will effect the overall TWR of the rocket.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:10:57 2022 No.14824322 >>14824297 You also take a dry mass penalty in turbomachinery and plumbing with clustering smaller engines. The RL10 has higher Isp than the J-2, but moving from 6xRL10 to 1xJ-2 made the S-IVB more powerful overall.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:13:18 2022 No.14824327 starlink 4-20 LOL

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:21:16 2022 No.14824338 >>14824253 Delayed 'til after the Crew launch

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:21:45 2022 No.14824340

>>14824322
That's exactly what I meant when I was talking about the necessary size and power of turbomachinery. The greater the volume of the combustion chamber the bigger proportionally the turbomachine has to be, and the demands go up by a ratio of 2/1, if you double your engine size your turbomachinery needs to move 4x the reaction mass, and you can only increase it's power in RPM so much before you simply have to make it larger and thus heavier as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:22:10 2022 No.14824341 anyone have bright ideas for injectors?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:22:16 2022 No.14824342 >>14824327 They should've mixed a little weed into the RP-1.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:23:11 2022 No.14824344 >>14823766 this nigga writes some good-ass comic books

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:24:22 2022 No.14824346 >>14824341 a double-helix archimedes screw

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:26:13 2022 No.14824349 >>14824184 You are a retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:26:49 2022 No.14824351 File: 55 KB, 472x604, 1595503150329.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823759 This makes sense but why did you have to phrase it in a schizo way anon, just be normal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:28:49 2022 No.14824358 >>14824341 bees

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:34:27 2022 No.14824366 >>14823988 I bet the fat black guy looking sad in the corner is actually kinda smart

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:34:50 2022 No.14824367 >>14823867 How do you know all this? Where are you getting it from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:35:57 2022 No.14824371 >>14824366 or he's just high

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:37:20 2022 No.14824376 >>14824367 A wild guess would be insider posting on el dos

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:37:53 2022 No.14824377 >>14823759 Yeah. I can honestly see the slack exchanges now. After the troon rocket shit the bed the memos went out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:40:10 2022 No.14824379 blast to the past https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/sls1.html

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:40:52 2022 No.14824381
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would it be possible to have a re-usable SRB? not like with the shuttle where it took a million years to turn them around, i mean SRBs as a full part of the spacecraft that can land themselves and quickly be turned around and re-used

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:41:37 2022 No.14824382 >>14824381 tons of wasted dry mass

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:44:56 2022 No.14824383 >>14824367 NASA announced all of it publicly. I won't encourage anyone to actually use twitter but sometimes it's useful to follow a bunch of space journalists on it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:45:23 2022 No.14824384

>>14824381
>not like with the shuttle where it took a million years to turn them around, i mean SRBs as a full part of the spacecraft that can land themselves and quickly be turned around and re-used
SRBs are ONLY cheaper than liquid rockets if comparing expendable to expendable. LOX and RP-1 are a LOT cheaper than filling an SRB.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:46:42 2022 No.14824386 >>14824342 that would be fuckin funny

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:50:49 2022 No.14824390

>>14824381
>would it be possible to have a re-usable SRB?
Not really. The shuttle got the closest you can practically get and the best they managed was "sorta refurbishable." With a liquid fuel system you can just refill the tanks, but get solid propellant into a stage you have to pour and then cure and it's a huge involved process. Quick is never going to be in the cards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:55:19 2022 No.14824395 File: 379 KB, 1920x1080, 1661310949231.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] im still waiting for china to allow someone else onto their station

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:56:12 2022 No.14824398 How about a hybrid motor with granular and not cast propellant?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 00:58:17 2022 No.14824399 >>14824395 Is the top of the helmet see through? That'd be kind of neat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:00:33 2022 No.14824406 >>14824399 idk but i assume so

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:04:01 2022 No.14824416 >>14824382 reusability is insanely wasteful i learned

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:10:09 2022 No.14824426 >>14824416 trying to recover thicc steel tube: wasteful trying to recover precision turbomachinery and sophisticated fuel tanks: valuable

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:10:39 2022 No.14824428 File: 60 KB, 800x534, Spacex Starship.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nobody actually believes this retarded rocket is getting to orbit, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:23:03 2022 No.14824450 >>14824428 It's ambitious for sure, but I don't see why not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:23:53 2022 No.14824453 >>14824399 >Is the top of the helmet see through? moon roof

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:26:38 2022 No.14824457 >>14824428 >Nobody actually believes this retarded rocket is getting to orbit, right? What do the simulations say

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:27:31 2022 No.14824460 File: 141 KB, 1280x960, 1639449634.frysk_untitled_21.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rocket anthros > rocket girls

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:32:01 2022 No.14824470 >>14824428 they have a retarded rocket assembly line so if not that one one will relatively soon. If they can launch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:33:59 2022 No.14824476 >>14824460 This is a dangerous path you're walking anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:37:35 2022 No.14824482 File: 57 KB, 384x558, 7809DE44-0059-4F9A-B2F9-79B75C89A1AE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824460 That is terrifying

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:39:11 2022 No.14824485 >>14824460 No

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:39:43 2022 No.14824486 File: 213 KB, 1164x1012, 1a206429ea16697f4d14b409a6da32da.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This one's better

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:39:56 2022 No.14824487 >>14824428 Just imagine if they launch it and it performs perfectly and the chopsticks catch the booster then the top stage lands right next to the launch pad. It would be the greatest webm ever. But its probably just going to blow up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:40:41 2022 No.14824489 >>14824460 interdasting

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:43:13 2022 No.14824497 /sfg/ isn't dead. But I certainly wish it were.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:43:45 2022 No.14824500 File: 199 KB, 629x426, 09266F39-B524-49E2-AB7F-0538A9B833D5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824486 >>14824460 Von Braun weeps

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:44:14 2022 No.14824502 >>14824486 go back to trash from whence you came

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:44:38 2022 No.14824504 >>14824426 recovering anything is a waste of time and money and will never be economical https://youtu.be/1OohG8oNG7s

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:44:39 2022 No.14824505 >>14824476 Do you remember that "what other boards do you visit" poll we had a while ago?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:46:18 2022 No.14824508 This one's too spicy https://twitter.com/cettus4/status/1566425002337091587

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:50:30 2022 No.14824518 File: 2.84 MB, 720x1280, Systems Zero-1566961113530613760-20220905 202600-vid1.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/systems_zero/status/1566961113530613760 based

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:52:44 2022 No.14824521

Do you guys think it's worth it to terraform Callisto and Ganymede?
>Pros:
>- only places in the outer Solar system where you could have places where people have an open sky and natural sunlight (keep in mind 4% of orbital Earth sunlight is maybe the same we here on Earth receive on a cloudy day.
> - best places to establish outer system capital-function bases. The outer potato moons and Trojans of Jupiter would be the resource hubs.

>Cons:
>- if one opts to terraform purely through greenhouse gases, the atmosphere will be thick like you are under several centimeters of water. This isn't a problem if you also use orbital mirrors, though.
>- low gravity. However, we don't know if this will cause them to be literally jelly babies/have chicken bones, or just the DYEL lanklets to end of all DYEL lanklets. Personally, I think it's the latter, i.e. that 15% gravity is enough for biological systems to work adequately. Besides, they will be spacers and a certain % of their life will be spent under thrust/spin gravity which they will purposefully increase compared to G_Ganymede.

>Semi-Cons:
>- without intervention, a fire-and-forget terraforming will only last maybe max 1 million years. But honestly I don't see why one would care. In 1mil years, we won't be the same species of humans anymore anyway, and the idea is that we'll use self-repairing artificial or gene-engineered systems to keep up the terraforming for considerably longer.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:55:26 2022 No.14824522
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>>14824518
It’s a bit sad to see Falcon 9 is no longer cutting edge and revolutionary. I remember watching the first Falcon 9 land in 8th grade fun times fun times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:55:42 2022 No.14824523 >>14824518 >pavement ape noise blasting full volume overtop it

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:58:06 2022 No.14824530

>>14824521
i don't know why people get so weird about rotational gravity augmentation on the surface of small moons. it's not even hard, you can literally use an angled ring of rail and have a hab driving around at only like 60-80 kilometers per hour, ideally set up like an externally powered electrical tram. you have your power and some low grav buildings in the middle-it's elementary stuff. it's literally not a real problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 01:59:11 2022 No.14824535 >>14824428 >Nobody actually believes this retarded rocket is getting to orbit, right? Is there anywhere we can place bets if it makes it first try or not? What's the over under

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:01:24 2022 No.14824544

>>14824504
In a move that surprises no one, a guy whose entire businesses is built on a foundation of solid fuel says that that reusability is both uneconomical and impossible.

>>14824508
I like the Mechagodzilla's bitchy girlfriend vibes, but the fact she's got the tiles on her back and not on her front makes me feel more autisticly bothered than I'm comfortable with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:02:51 2022 No.14824550 >>14824535 > https://polymarket.com/market-group/spacex-starship-launch-2022 interesting!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:06:15 2022 No.14824558 >https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4438/1 >author thinks that the ukraine war will cause a boom in commercial imaging satellites how likely is this?

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:06:30 2022 No.14824559
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>>14824505
I crunched the numbers on that dude's poll some time back. There's likely ~10 degenerates on this general right. It's actually impressive that this garbage doesn't surface more often.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:13:00 2022 No.14824570 >>14824522 in the fifth grade I watched Columbia disintegrate over texas you fucking zoomer I watched the twin towers fall live on television from my classroom and you weren't even born yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:16:56 2022 No.14824578 >>14824559 >/a/, /k/, /his/, /lit/, /g/ what a hero

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:18:34 2022 No.14824579 >>14824558 probably not, since there's no market for them to capture with them

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:19:27 2022 No.14824582 >>14824558 See >>14824579. Aside from militaries, no one will from the bill.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:20:31 2022 No.14824586 File: 332 KB, 1125x1489, 081BC319-4684-4416-B66E-53629F37F33C.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Static fire (maybe) tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:24:10 2022 No.14824595 >>14824582 anyone that wants one already has one, everyone else uses google earth

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:24:34 2022 No.14824596 >>14824570 And I was with my parents cheering on your country getting what it deserved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:25:23 2022 No.14824597 >>14824596 Are you from Israel?

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:27:09 2022 No.14824601
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Is current day nasa a result of prioritizing women and quotas instead of hard goals by certain dates and no more Nazi scientists?
We all know the US has been circling the drain for the past 30 years but this seems to me like the most distilled microcosm of that regression and degradation

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:28:56 2022 No.14824605 >>14824428 I did years ago. Then I grew up

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:29:44 2022 No.14824606 >>14824601 Maybe. There’s also a lack of a goal at NASA. Apollo wanted to get to the moon ASAP. SLS was built to do nothing. Also congressmen nowadays are way more blatant in their corruption

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:30:10 2022 No.14824607 >>14824601 its a product of government corruption and embezzlement programs in the absence of an actual rival to justify genuine progress women and nigs only appeared long after the rot set in

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:31:40 2022 No.14824610 >>14824606 Apollo was built by men who wanted a legend. SLS is built by people who want a pension.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:31:40 2022 No.14824609

>>14824601
>women and quotas instead of hard goals
that's a symptom
>and no more Nazi scientists
doesn't matter
>this seems to me like the most distilled microcosm of that regression and degradation
nah they're still making things and exploring mars even if it's all ridiculous. the most distilled are probably the companies that raise billions of dollars on powerpoints and then SPACing without making a dollar in revenue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:34:45 2022 No.14824614 >>14824610 Pretty much yeah. That’s a great quote

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:38:49 2022 No.14824625 >>14824579 >>14824582 there are plenty of markets. it said the industry existed for 10 years before the military got in on the action.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:41:17 2022 No.14824627 >>14824610 Kek what a blackpill

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 02:57:51 2022 No.14824645

>>14824601

if you google NASA Artemis mission goals the top goal is

>"land the first woman and first person of colour on the Moon"

this is really kind of pathetic but it might be the only way they can get funding. All the other goals them mention are pretty vague like

>We will collaborate with commercial and international partners and establish the first long-term presence on the Moon. Then, we will use what we learn on and around the Moon to take the next giant leap: sending the first astronauts to Mars.

So the main goal is to get funding.

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Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:24:05 2022 No.14824674

>>14824544
>In a move that surprises no one, a guy whose entire businesses is built on a foundation of solid fuel says that that reusability is both uneconomical and impossible.
You make no effort to prove any bias, instead you make vague implications and besmirch his character.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:25:32 2022 No.14824675 >>14824482 Does anyone have the nsfw version??

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:26:52 2022 No.14824676 >>14824601 No, it's the result of pulling funding for R&D and public works in the wake of the Vietnam war, which was a massive sunk cost.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:31:46 2022 No.14824679 >>14824674 >Orbital ATK aka Thiokol, you fucking retars

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:37:27 2022 No.14824684 >>14824679 excuse me?

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:46:41 2022 No.14824697

>>14824684
did you do even the bare minimum of research into the guy speaking or his career? he works for the largest manufacturer of solid rockets in the world, specifically on the pegasus, which is 3 stages of solid rocket motors dropped from a L1011 Stargazer

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:55:38 2022 No.14824707 Kek the former PR advisor for Rogozin was just sentenced to 22 years in prison for an article he wrote in 2020 concerning fighter jet sales to Egypt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:56:34 2022 No.14824710 >>14824697 To be fair in 2017 SpaceX had not yet establish reuse was a cost savings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:58:12 2022 No.14824715 >>14824707 it’s treason then

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 03:58:31 2022 No.14824716 Satan wants you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:02:08 2022 No.14824723 >>14824716 Okay but he’s cringe >>14824232 the AR1 is just one chamber, I’m almost 99% sure of this. It’s just that all the mock-ups have 2 engines to show that it can run in the same configuration as a twin-chamber RD-180

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:03:43 2022 No.14824730 >>14824710 You have to be a fucking idiot to think that throwing away 50-100m+ of super hard to manufacture specialist parts into the ocean is more economical than bringing it back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:08:27 2022 No.14824744 >space is hard no

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:08:31 2022 No.14824746 >>14824697 He literally invented the Pegasus rocket, retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:12:21 2022 No.14824757 File: 670 KB, 2273x1187, d56485640f5137061d69a77ab80ebe42.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824746 inventing the damn thing is the same thing as working on it

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:14:15 2022 No.14824759

>>14824730
In defense of the anon you were replying to: really the only other reusable rocket engines before 2015 was the shuttle’s SSME’s and SRB’s—both of which cost a TON of time and maintenance to get into flying shape again. First stages actually hurling anything noteworthy to orbit that could propulsively land themselves was laughed at before it was done by SeX and it took a while for them to even break even on the costs savings from that

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:14:18 2022 No.14824760 >>14824744 Maybe a little.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:16:59 2022 No.14824764 >>14824760 Vacuum chambers? Easy Guidance computers? Easy you can literally do it with 60s tier tech Propulsion? Easy There’s no reason why any country with even a few millions left to tap from their GDP can’t into space

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:18:07 2022 No.14824766

avi loeb is really going all out on looking for ayys, his Galileo project has pulled in a pretty impressive array of professors and grad students who are trying to deploy multi-sensor observation clusters all over the place and look for the remnants of crashed interstellar meteors to see if they have any technosignitures.
what's the general /sfg/ feeling on aliens visiting earth? I'm open to it being possible but not convinced-I like the ida of a serious and systematic look for them rather than relying on shitty phone vids or eyewitnesses. Have a feeling they'll see a LOT of weird shit that will mostly come down to ball lightning, but you never know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:19:54 2022 No.14824771 >>14824766 aliens are a product of redditors playing with math and watching easy-to-digest youtube videos

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:21:11 2022 No.14824774

>>14824766
>Look for the remnants of crashed interstellar meteors to see if they have any technosignitures.

Eh, probably a waste of time. Any ayy lmaos advanced enough to travel between star systems is pretty fucking unlikely to leave crashed shit lying around in an inhabited system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:21:50 2022 No.14824776 >>14824774 That atmosphere, bro, I warned you

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:24:30 2022 No.14824780

>>14824679
Aka aka Northrop Grumman after Jan 2020

>>14824674
Orbital sciences was responsible for designing and marketing the Pegasus and Minotaur series of launch vehicles. The Minotaur’s main innovation was keeping costs low by reusing stages from decommissioned Minuteman and Peacekeeper missiles, and the Pegaus’s big innovation was saving a few scraps of delta-v by dropping it from a plane.

Allow me to be not vague in the slightest: neither Dr. Antonio Elias nor his company were responsible for any major innovations in the spaceflight industry. His opinion that high flight rates are impossible speaks to a critical lack of vision. His insistence that reusability is an economically impossible dream is less of a statement of fact and more a desperate plea for an industry to remain stationary so that he could continue to be employed in it. The only reason that this talk doesn't rank with Senator Ballast's "SLS is real" meme is because so few people have actually seen it.

In 2017 Northrop Grumman announced their intention to purchase Orbital ATK. 2017 saw the launch of two Minotaur rockets, the first to fly in nearly four years. 2017 would also see SpaceX successfully land the Falcon 9 fourteen times. The Falcon 9 had already destroyed the commercial viability of both the Zenit and Proton-M and was providing strong competition for the Ariane 5. On January 1st, 2020 Orbital ATK became a subsidiary of Northrop Grumman under the name Northrop Grumman Space Systems. Over those three intervening years Orbital ATK had launched one additional Minotaur and one Pegasus while the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launched a total of fifty times.

After the meager I can find no trace of Dr. Antonio Elias’s employment in the industry or in any industry-related position.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:30:48 2022 No.14824790 >>14824757 >it was some miserable karen that got it she was probably obese

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:32:14 2022 No.14824793 >>14824790 a little more digging and I can almost guarantee you it will turn out to be a diet coke lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:36:26 2022 No.14824794 >>14824780 https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=3nesla2vdn70680cttk8ngpar5&topic=3911.0

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:37:52 2022 No.14824796 File: 23 KB, 346x422, X-COM rookie training.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824766 Ayys that trespass on this planet are one step below EARTHERS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:40:12 2022 No.14824798 >>14823558 like a million wasted dollars

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:45:57 2022 No.14824804 >>14824780 SLS Israel is actually good old nigger Charlie Bolden's statement, not Senator-Administrator Bill "Ballast" Nelson's statement

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:52:45 2022 No.14824811 >>14824804 Figures. I get tilted enough to break out notepad to draft my rebuttal and go counting up yearly Falcon 9 launches and then I finish with misattributing a quote.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 04:56:35 2022 No.14824816 >>14824366 I would be sad too if I saw my dream job getting tarnished by femoids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:07:16 2022 No.14824827 >>14823847 i dont

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:14:17 2022 No.14824834 >>14824486 >there's more of these absolutely cursed

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:16:46 2022 No.14824838 >>14824723 Aerojets concept for the SLS Advanced Booster used a two chamber configuration.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:17:50 2022 No.14824840 They should make a betting odds website but for space launches, and whether or not they succeed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:19:19 2022 No.14824843 >>14824840 wounds like good woopertunity for web3 and wockchangs

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:20:09 2022 No.14824845 >>14824843 I don't know what any of that means.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:21:32 2022 No.14824847 >>14824550 Thanks for the link, this is what I was looking for https://polymarket.com/market/will-nasa-successfully-launch-the-space-launch-system-sls-into-space-by-september-5th

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:22:09 2022 No.14824848

>>14824840
actually does exist
https://polymarket.com/market-group/spacex-starship-launch-2022
the current odds on a starship orbital launch are 99 to 1 against by the end of september, with a total betting pool size of over 100 thousand bucks.
you could make 100 bucks into 10 grand if u bet on spacex to pull that off

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:22:49 2022 No.14824850 >>14824559 I can't read this shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:25:24 2022 No.14824853 >>14824848 god damn it lol ignore those numbers that's wildly off, that's what i get for making naive assumptions, for 100 bucks youy could earn a little over 2 grand

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:27:22 2022 No.14824857 >>14824848 Yo it's only for a successful launch? I mean the launch is probably going to work just fine, it's the re entry crap that is the real issue. December pool is crap and odds suck though. Shame.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:28:41 2022 No.14824858 >>14824857 even if it explodes at 63 miles up it is a win

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:29:05 2022 No.14824859 Earther (derogatory)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:30:36 2022 No.14824861 File: 5 KB, 232x64, Screenshot_2022-09-06-17-30-13-35.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824848 lol lmao, even

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 05:35:35 2022 No.14824865 >>14824838 Fuck that’s what I meant I just typed it wrong. One chamber PER nozzle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:00:11 2022 No.14824890 Earther? (interrogatory)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:06:16 2022 No.14824900 File: 181 KB, 1201x800, FIREWORKS-USED-e1596205378432.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824381 Here's your reusable SRB, bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:17:27 2022 No.14824918 >>14824780 Very good reply anon, thank you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:17:47 2022 No.14824920 >>14824890 Earther (endangered)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:19:57 2022 No.14824923 >>14824920 You know what's hilarious? Earthers love rocks and they love their gravity well. But they really don't like it when you throw rocks into their gravity well.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:28:37 2022 No.14824938

Does airship-to-orbit become a practical solution when trying to reach space from the surface of a super-earth?
Buoyancy's "free ride" to the edge of the atmosphere followed by weeks or months accelerating to proper orbital velocity is a massive undertaking, but on a planet where chemical rockets aren't viable, what (if any) alternatives are better?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:32:53 2022 No.14824943 >>14824757 It's really sad how thin skinned some people are. If I got that cap, I would have had a hearty laugh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:36:07 2022 No.14824948 File: 30 KB, 640x480, download (16).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824900 >you will never go to space in the Rango (2011) rocket why live

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:37:59 2022 No.14824950 >>14824943 fatties aren't people

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:45:16 2022 No.14824960 you think starlink will eventually offer TV too? maybe they'll toss some tv sats in geo...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 06:58:48 2022 No.14824975 >>14824960 TV is obsolete so no, you can stream TV garbage via the internet if you're as retarded as a boomer

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 07:03:05 2022 No.14824978 >>14824960 How old are you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 07:23:32 2022 No.14825008 File: 22 KB, 540x482, 1659715202346821.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14823538 So when is this cobbled together piece of shit going to launch?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:05:54 2022 No.14825118 >>14825008 NASA wants you to believe in an October launch date now, likely the 22nd or later. In reality SLS will not launch this year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:18:59 2022 No.14825130 >>14825118 Meanwhile the world moves on without them, embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:22:09 2022 No.14825134 >>1482380 >hydrogen Ew, yuck, get it the fuck away from me you heathen

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:23:13 2022 No.14825137 File: 341 KB, 1200x495, 1662454167651866.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>>/pol/394073596

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:26:16 2022 No.14825140 File: 260 KB, 570x558, 5ca.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14825137

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:29:27 2022 No.14825146 >>14825137 >literal who twitter profile with a meme user name >linked from /pol/ no less Lame. Come back when there's anything substantial

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:29:42 2022 No.14825147 >>14825140 At this point I'll believe any and every negative thing I hear about SLS, no matter how dubious, purely out of reality-defying spite

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:30:33 2022 No.14825150 >>14825118 >In reality SLS will not launch Parts of it could get pretty far up

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:30:37 2022 No.14825151 File: 370 KB, 1920x1277, 1636353215414.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] starshipcucks?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:31:55 2022 No.14825154 >>14825147 Same >>14825151 >$450 million per launch The shuttle was a meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:33:09 2022 No.14825155 >>14824978 This is the first time I have seen asking someones age be relevant, either he's too old to know the internet has replaced TV or too young to know how things work.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:38:38 2022 No.14825163

>>14825154
>$450 million per launch
NASA calculations lol that excludes all the ground service equipment, employees pay, operations pay, r/d, and just count the hardware itself. Maybe.

True cost of space shuttle was ~$258 billion (2022 inflation adjusted) dollars for 133 launches. That's $1.94 billion per launch over lifetime.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:39:24 2022 No.14825164 >>14825163 reminder they are doing the same thing with SLS hiding ALOT of costs

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:47:59 2022 No.14825169

>>14825164
OIG's hardware cost itself for SLS is $2.2B for first stage, ~$1.3B for Orion, Another $570M for MLS.
If you add in ~$45-$50 for program r/d cost, employees cost, that's $12.5B per launch for the first four launches of SLS. Totaling $16.7B per launch cost.

Lets say they launch this 10 times, that's an additional +$5B on top of SLS hardware cost. If 20 times, +$2.5B, if 50 times, +1B.

So no matter what, SLS will cost atleast $5+ B per launch in the most optimistic scenario and in the least optimistic scenario of 10 flights, it will cost $9+ B per launch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:48:43 2022 No.14825172 >>14825169 >OIG's hardware cost itself for SLS is $2.2B for first stage, ~$1.3B for Orion, Another $570M for MLS. wait that was JUST the hardware cost? HOW literally how

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:51:00 2022 No.14825178 >>14825172 please understand

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:51:13 2022 No.14825179 >>14825169 Supposedly there's still microfilm with the blueprints of the Saturn V, can't we just recreate it and put in a modern guidance computer in it, instead of this Frankenstein's monster?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:52:49 2022 No.14825182 >>14825179 Let go of Saturn V. Chasing old glory Shuttle is what got us the SLS. Starship is the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 10:14:20 2022 No.14825211 File: 1.59 MB, 1360x1774, sj5z2x0vx3m91.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 10:17:27 2022 No.14825215 >>14825179 we have better manufacturing techniques and better materials recreating 60 year old rocket makes about as much sense as recreating 60 year old computer

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 10:19:19 2022 No.14825217 >>14825215 So instead we're reusing 40 year old rocket technology?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 10:26:45 2022 No.14825227 >>14825217 >instead

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 10:55:14 2022 No.14825265 >>14825211 Let's not whitewash the fact that congress forced nasa to pick the shitshow that is SLS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 11:08:26 2022 No.14825281 >>14825179 Saturn V, while cool and impressive for the time period as well as the whole giga rush build space everything from nothing, it's still an objectively shit rocket. Of course so is SLS, so... lol?

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 11:13:53 2022 No.14825287
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>>14823849
They actually did indeed do dev work on OMS tanks to extend the Shuttle's range. They even left the cross-feed switches in the cabin and never bothered to remove them.
>https://gandalfddi.z19.web.core.windows.net/Shuttle/USA006500%20-%20Orbital%20Maneuvering%20System%20Workbook%20OMS%2021002.pdf
>https://cp3.irmp.ucl.ac.be/~ringeval/upload/spaceshuttle/PBK/shuttle_perf_with_omskit.pdf

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 11:37:16 2022 No.14825317 File: 379 KB, 1920x960, 1661614061283.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14825287 Still only <700 m/s of dV with three additional sets of OMS tanks, which isn't even enough for GTO.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 11:51:59 2022 No.14825331 >>14825317 Actually 760 m/s, I can't do math

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 12:22:38 2022 No.14825384 >>14825281 >it's shit Rude. It will always be in our hearts

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 12:24:49 2022 No.14825390 >>14825217 SLS decision was made 20 years ago with constellation program

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 12:25:57 2022 No.14825394 >>14825211 YWNBAR

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 12:28:11 2022 No.14825398 File: 1.53 MB, 1170x2532, RDT_20220906_1426551101237513800283437.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 12:31:32 2022 No.14825408 >>14825211 The comic is wrong. It wasn't NASA that picked SLS, it was congress. Although NASA went along with it. As well as the astronaut corps of the past that rallied behind SLS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 12:46:22 2022 No.14825426 >>14825398 Was the NASA shuttle actually a 4D mega brained idea to convince the norks into wasting their money and engineers building a shitty knockoff of something that was already retarded?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 12:48:00 2022 No.14825427 >>14824771 Yes, easily washed out residues of error differentials.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:01:45 2022 No.14825454

>>14825426
Convincing the Soviets, Europeans, Japanese, etc, that it was a good idea was an effective face saving measure. We thought it was a good idea, and then passed the mistake along to everyone else. Now no one talks about and it’s kinda awkward when it comes up because no one wants to point out that they were just as dumb as everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:23:49 2022 No.14825488 >>14825486

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:26:50 2022 No.14825491
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>>14823552
19 new stamps from Africa, 12 from Equatorial Guinea, 6 from DR Congo, and 1 from Rwanda. All stamps from Congo and Rwanda are just I.T.U. centenary stamps so not too exciting.

Among the 12 stamps from Eq. Guinea are four out of the seven rare stamps on tragedies in spaceflight. Sadly I couldn't find the infamous Soyuz-11 stamps which were cancelled shortly after release.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1j1H6p1ftrqvcj1iSMj15oYsZMmQHqsaB?usp=sharing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:28:39 2022 No.14825495 >>14825217 yes reusing 40 year old parts is retarded also

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:30:25 2022 No.14825501
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>>14825491
Someone messed up the art on this one. It's meant to be Soyuz-11 and Salyut-1 docked together, but it's just Soyuz-4&5

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:32:15 2022 No.14825505
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>>14825501
And an Apollo-1 stamp, though I think it's a bit macabre to add flames in the background.
There are also seven Apollo-15 stamps which are pretty nice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:32:56 2022 No.14825506 >>14825488 >page 5 anon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:40:26 2022 No.14825517 What about 3D printing solid rocket boosters in one seamless piece?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:41:29 2022 No.14825520 >>14825488 >staging at page 5 Lol retard You're gonna get jannied

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:45:32 2022 No.14825528 >>14825517 >3D printing >seamless there's no seam if all of it is seam

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:46:41 2022 No.14825532 >>14825118 >NASA wants you to believe in an October launch date now, likely the 22nd or later. In reality SLS will not launch this year >>14825008 Orange rocket will launch on Halloween and it will be scary

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:47:53 2022 No.14825538 >>14825118 >>14825008 I just hope all those cubesats all those different people spent time on and have high hopes of their successes make it all right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:49:06 2022 No.14825539 >>14825532 An early afternoon launch isn’t going to be that spooky

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 13:58:16 2022 No.14825554

>>14824129
I still don't buy it. The first orbital Ship is supposed to splash down near Hawaii, they're not catching it, so they can proceed with Booster testing. However, to make landing possible, the Ship must first survive the reentry and you can't do that without heatshield.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:12:14 2022 No.14825572 >>14825488 stupid anon

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:12:43 2022 No.14825573

>>14825554
If they have the opportunity to try to land the reentered ship why wouldn't they are least try instead of splashdown.

Can't they find some old barge they can convert into landing pad and get it out to splash down site?

Can the ship reenter slowly? Or radiation builds up in the upper ospheres which makes speeding through more bearable + slowing down requires lots of fuel and energy.

How could it most cheaply and securely lose all its momentum to beat ensure safe landing.

Can it glide, can it have extendable gliding wings, that it then does cut backs and loopdy loos and glides to slow down to upward landing on near Hawaii barge?

Like a skiier cutting back and forth and up the mountain to reduce speed, as opposed to flying straight down

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:16:08 2022 No.14825581 STATIC FIRE TODAY

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:17:05 2022 No.14825586

>>14825573
>If they have the opportunity to try to land the reentered ship why wouldn't they are least try instead of splashdown.
That's the official plan for its flight, I think it was published by FCC. They did the same with Falcon 9.
>Can't they find some old barge they can convert into landing pad and get it out to splash down site?
SpaceX bought two oil rigs, just for that purpose, but it hasn't been their priority for months.
Don't know about the rest, I think it can glide, but not very far.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:17:42 2022 No.14825587 >>14825501 >>14825505 Basados

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:18:39 2022 No.14825591 >>14824071 Really think the cicoms have an electric pump engine?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:28:52 2022 No.14825613 >>14824610 >>14824601 Unfortunately men are to blame for SLS, monster was created well before forced diversity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:33:43 2022 No.14825620 >>14824697 >>14824746 I could sear there is a YouTube video of Antonio Elias or other Pegaus guy talking about found the rockets wing floating in the ocean and still thought resuabilty was pointless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:37:26 2022 No.14825630 Good morning, /sfg/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:43:58 2022 No.14825642 >>14825630 Good afternoon, sir

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:44:01 2022 No.14825643 File: 2.53 MB, 1312x1904, happy_wernher.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14825630 Good morning!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:49:33 2022 No.14825656 >>14825620 Yeah, I posted it last thread in a troll post and spawned a nice discussion about his folly

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:58:06 2022 No.14825683 >>14825630 GOOD MORNING

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:00:22 2022 No.14825690 SLS DERIVED SPACE SHUTTLE

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:08:06 2022 No.14825702 >>14825581 Ship or Booster?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:12:49 2022 No.14825709 >>14825690 The wheels on the bus go round and round…

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:16:06 2022 No.14825715
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New Webb dropped
Tarantula Nebula
https://webbtelescope.org/contents/media/images/2022/041/01GA76MYFN0FMKNRHGCAGGYCVQ?news=true

Full res (140.86 MB, 14557 x 8418 PNG)

https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01GA76Q01D09HFEV174SVMQDMV.png

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:22:13 2022 No.14825724

>>14824601
If your argument is women are incompetent, then the counter argument to that is that men are greedy fucks. SLS is a rocket designed by a senate committee to maximize grift and where the laws of physics got told to sit in the back of the bus and shut the fuck up, cause politician pockets needed to be lined.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:22:16 2022 No.14825725 File: 32 KB, 539x751, Thinking.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14825715 what does this look like when imaged by Hubble? Can Hubble even see this nebula that well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:23:10 2022 No.14825727 >>14825454 The Soviet version was substantially better somehow; the launch vehicle could even be used for other purposes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:23:19 2022 No.14825728 >>14825702 who cares, it's never launching anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:24:47 2022 No.14825731 >>14825656 >>14825620 and by last thread i mean this thread

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:43:28 2022 No.14825764

>>14825727
>The Soviet version was substantially better somehow
Wasn't it just that the Soviets identified all the potential flaws in the Shuttle years before the thing even launched and, when forced by their government to make a copy, tried their best to lessen some of the inherent problems?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:44:10 2022 No.14825767 MARTIN IS BACK BABY ORBITER WILL RISE FROM THE ASHES

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:45:39 2022 No.14825772 >>14825767 Orbiter now supports d3d9 d3 fucking d9 That's like 20 year old tech?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:30:58 2022 No.14825858 File: 1.00 MB, 3077x2176, Fb9KByRWQAI4g7g.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:36:35 2022 No.14825868 >>14825764 It was more that they started with shuttle-c and then designed an orbiter for it to launch rather than going the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:42:17 2022 No.14825884 the Chinese snuck in TWO launches within two hours of each other! KZ-1A Weili Kongjian-1 (6th 2:40 UTC) CZ-2D 3xYaogan-35-05 (6th 4:20 UTC)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:46:01 2022 No.14825894 File: 720 KB, 468x858, ShooterScreenshot-10-06-09-22.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's your chance

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:47:27 2022 No.14825899 File: 1.52 MB, 2333x3500, ariane5 towed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Ariane 5 launch has been postponed due to weather.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:50:30 2022 No.14825907 File: 535 KB, 2568x1816, Fb9LGSmWIAEOtn2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:03:49 2022 No.14825931 >>14825899 Tropical weather scrub season extends all the way from Korou to Canada this time of year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:03:58 2022 No.14825932 File: 201 KB, 1366x768, 1646375268949.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] judas kiss

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:06:15 2022 No.14825936 >>14825932 Poor ria chan. SLS scrubbed and now the Ariane 5.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:11:20 2022 No.14825942 >>14825936 i had a dream that during sls stream it exploded and she started to cry. she thought the crew died. i told her in chat it's ok, there is no crew this time, and that sls doesnt matter. she felt better after that :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:18:59 2022 No.14825950 >>14825942 meds

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:19:10 2022 No.14825952 >>14825932 The upper stage was doomed with or without any vtubers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:19:39 2022 No.14825953 >>14825942 >anon: doctor, I have dreams about orange tanks >dr: So, tell me about this... >a: SLS >yes, SLS. What does it do? >a: It flies. And goes to the Moon. >dr: Ok... (presses the emergency button).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:23:59 2022 No.14825965 >>14825942 I know this is a shitpost, but Jesus Christ imagine if someone was this parasocially challenged. To the point of having dreams about v-tubers who don't even know you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:26:01 2022 No.14825972 >>14825965 What's worse, dreams of vtubers or nightmares of sls?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:29:44 2022 No.14825981 >>14825972 to me they're both sleep paralysis levels of terrifying

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:54:52 2022 No.14826035 File: 433 KB, 679x679, 1654328694503.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14825899 >>14825907 where's Ariane 6?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:58:28 2022 No.14826044 File: 277 KB, 879x485, jwst-april2021.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14825147

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 18:39:06 2022 No.14826132 >>14825169 I wonder how much each it costs for each scrubbed launch

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 18:41:04 2022 No.14826135 >>14826132 Millions of dollars, probably. >hydrologgs propellant >electricity usage >equipment wear >payroll >opportunity cost - can't use the pad for anything else

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:03:32 2022 No.14826192 >>14826044 2007 planned launch originally with 1 bil cost launched 2021 with cost of about 10 bil, so the 14 years is right but 88bil is horseshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:05:28 2022 No.14826196 File: 764 KB, 1778x2500, CD35A4ED-4AB6-4BD6-ABC1-1D458812924F.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] STOP TESTING B7.1 I JUST WANT A STATIC FIRE DAMNIT

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:06:57 2022 No.14826200 >>14826192 (it's a Hitler joke)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:09:19 2022 No.14826205 >>14826196 Why are they still fucking with that tank?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:25:49 2022 No.14826242 >>14826044 At least it works like a charm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:52:46 2022 No.14826289 >>14826205 its what they're testing today

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:11:56 2022 No.14826317

>>14826192
JWST was to be a $500million project when it was started in 95, it wasn't until '00 or later that they'd pushed it into the 10 figure range. JWST was sold as a "cheaper, faster, better" project because of the disappointment over HST being late, nonfunctional and several billion over budget made it a mortal lock that congress wouldn't sign off an another similar boondoggle. thats why the hatched a plan for a lightweight mirror, thats what made JWST seem like it would cost less. HST's massive mirror and the high cost of getting weight to orbit using the shuttle was a part of HST's big cost, JWST was gonna shave that expense by weighing half as much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:26:42 2022 No.14826348 >>14825725 https://esahubble.org/images/heic1105a/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:33:09 2022 No.14826362 File: 361 KB, 600x450, 1662051823409531.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14826200 oh shit of course

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:37:07 2022 No.14826372

>>14826317
Its going to get crazy with starship and basically no mass constraints, but I guess we won't see anything really exploiting that for like 15 years
assuming scientific organizations don't change their project style to be more iterative instead of singular massive projects

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:56:32 2022 No.14826413 we'd have bases on the moon by now if it were not for the lunar night

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:57:38 2022 No.14826414 >>14824103 Imagine being the astronaut on top of that thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:59:40 2022 No.14826420 is beamed solar power a meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:03:58 2022 No.14826435 File: 44 KB, 630x315, 1535034994157.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14824757 I guess explains this old pic.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:06:05 2022 No.14826444

>>14826420
Yes. It works, but useful amounts of power are measured in gigawatts and to get that kind of output you need to be lifting tens of thousands of tons of power station. The studies I remember reading talked about 10 GW arrays in GEO that weighed about 40,000 tons each.

It can be done, but there's no situation in the universe where it's not cheaper and simpler to just build a fission reactor on the ground.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:08:46 2022 No.14826451 >>14826444 I'm sorry sweaty, but nuclear power is for chuds now. Enjoy your 1:2 EROEI solar beamed power plant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:08:55 2022 No.14826452 >>14826413 it doesn't matter. mars is easier

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:10:05 2022 No.14826457 >>14826444 >>14826451 there's also no situation in the universe where it's not cheaper and simpler to just build solar panels on the ground.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:12:25 2022 No.14826461 >>14826457 This is also true. Space based solar power is just regular solar power with the added step of having to build an intermediary sun.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:16:17 2022 No.14826480

>>14826461
>>14826457
>>14826451
>>14826444
How does the lack of environmental hazards affect solar panel lifespan/durability in space? Could you keep them working for a much more extended time compared to on Earth? Would micrometeorites be a huge issue long term?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:21:52 2022 No.14826497 >>14823940 Space rpg

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:23:46 2022 No.14826503

>>14826480
You're just trading surface based meteorological issues for radiation degrading the panels. Commercial solar panels are generally rated to perform at 80% of better for a decade, while top of the line panels could be putting out 80% of their original output after 25. Each of the solar arrays of the ISS was designed with a 15 year lifespan, which is why they're being augmented with the new roll-out arrays. Overall, comparing space-based verses terrestrial lifespans seems to be a wash.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:24:08 2022 No.14826504
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all forms of space-related technologies should be aggressively explored and used. if space solar can be made to work then it should be used.
I'd like ot see a big space solar station used to power some of these sexy solitons to help make ultrafast probes a reality

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:25:01 2022 No.14826509 >>14826503 >verses

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:34:48 2022 No.14826532

>>14826504
these things are going to be DEVASTATING weapons. It's a laser with a collimated range of over a lightsecond. Imagine getting your radiators melted to slag by these bad boys, at that point you are truly helpless, you might wind up roasted by your own life support system if you can't get off in time. i think these things make missile weapons and railguns worthless, esp if you're pumping out megawatts of power into a few square inches.
space is such a nasty place in terms of thermals, like living in a thermos bottle, if you can't get rid of heat you are done for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:38:14 2022 No.14826540 >>14826532 they're also not real lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:44:41 2022 No.14826554 >>14826540 lmao https://ldpdl.engr.tamu.edu/combined-laser-and-particle-beams-for-self-guided-beamed-propulsion/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jou7-3i7CZM shit is deep in development and the effect is unquestionably real

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:04:03 2022 No.14826728

>>14824601
Only in part, SLS was sharted out as a concept long before the retard quotas were instituted. It's not like they helped any though, creating a system where incompetent people are actively helped to the top would severely hamper even a well considered project.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:06:59 2022 No.14826733 beam solar into my asshole daddy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:09:01 2022 No.14826737 is anyone even watching starbase? whats going on there? are they still testing 7.1?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:15:48 2022 No.14826752 >>14826737 Yes

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:16:08 2022 No.14826754

>>14826532
Merely radiators melted? I'd worry more about getting the whole ship snipped in two, considering that if the effect really is as pronounced at ranges as predicted, the beam will still be nearly 100% focused even as it leaves the solar system, it means that your weapon will cut with close to it's full output regardless of range, as opposed to a conventional laser who's effective range is dictated by how far out it's increasingly large and impractical primary optic could bring the beam to focus.
With LCPBs the aperture need only be large enough to emit a relatively diffuse couple hundred watt confining laser. If your particle beam is eating say, 1MW+, it will slice through basically an arbitrarily large mass of basically any material you could imagine armor or hull being made out.
The only way to defend against it would be to create a magnetic field at least as powerful or significantly more powerful than the output of the weapon sufficient to perturb the path of the particles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:21:54 2022 No.14826770 >>14826754 what is the velocity of the beam? Since it's somewhere <c it should have a visible signature before impact. if you had enough warning you could probably use a similar technique to disturb the incoming beam.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:22:20 2022 No.14826772 >>14825265 They didn't

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:36:48 2022 No.14826821

>>14826770
Between .1 and .2c, depending on the "fuel" being used in the particle beam, certainly engagement ranges with LCPBs won't be as practically long as those with pure lasers, but I think the combination of not needing huge focusing optics and immensely greater destructive potential will probably make up for it.
A shield will have to bend or splash the beam away from the hull at an angle which it at least greater than the curvature of the hull itself, if it costs more power to shed the beam than it does to send it, inevitably even a reactive shield which is only on as long as it's needed will overheat the defending ship faster than firing an LCPB will overheat the attacking ship, meaning that it will only be a tool to temporarily shed attacks, rather than a tool to completely stalemate an attack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 00:11:24 2022 No.14826923 https://www.planetary.org/planetary-radio/artemis-accords-mike-gold cool

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 00:23:17 2022 No.14826946
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>>14826923
>https://eurasiantimes.com/israel-american-nasa-set-to-collaborate-on-space-exploration-special-focus-on-moon-and-mars-minister/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5OO3eCv5w
based jews coming through in the end

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 01:05:42 2022 No.14827030 >>14826435 >vitaminwater zero I claimed it would be diet coke but I’m taking this as me still being right

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 01:14:29 2022 No.14827054 you told us there would be a static fire today sfg you lied to us...

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 01:18:31 2022 No.14827062
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>>14827054
what do you mean anon, there WAS a static fire! And elon and jesse and von braun were there, and then the rocket took off and flew all the way to mars and everyone clapped!

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 01:24:13 2022 No.14827071
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rocket lab will establish propellant depots in orbit

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220906006034/en/Rocket-Lab-Signs-Agreement-with-USTRANSCOM-to-Explore-Using-Neutron-and-Electron-Rockets-to-Deliver-Cargo-Around-the-World

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 01:27:26 2022 No.14827074 File: 59 KB, 620x465, THE AGE OF TODDLERS IS OVER.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14827071 The age of Shelby is over. Now is the time of the depot.

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 01:39:50 2022 No.14827088

>>14826821
>>14826770
The defense against that beam is still distance. If you’re moving at multiple km/s relative to the laser and you’re a good distance away, the defensive move is to randomly thrust your drive every so often. The randomness means the beam is unlikely to be able to guess where you’ll be. As you get closer, you’ll need to nearly continuously use random thrust to avoid it. After a certain point your random movements won’t matter and it will be able to consistently hit you= a bad day.
The other interesting thing is predictable orbits may as well be stationary. Things that don’t move/are predictable can be reliably lased from even very far distances (hitting a building on earth from a laser on pluto)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 01:51:30 2022 No.14827103 propellant depots sounds like a natural fit for photon. you can get customer's small sats deeper into space if you build a network of depots. it's how tesla was able to get such a huge foothold in the car industry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 01:57:44 2022 No.14827113 >>14827071 Wow five whole grams of propellant

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:01:39 2022 No.14827117

>>14827088
True, but at least until enormously more efficient drive technology is invented constant maneuvering will still have a pretty steep cost, especially against energy weapons powered by say compact fission or early fusion reactors.
It would be practically a guarantee you will run out of reaction mass to dodge with long before the attacking ship runs low on power to keep shooting at you with.
Obviously a combination of kinetic, energy, and guided weapons, plus ECM, ECCM, and visibility reducing hull designs and materials would all play into this as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:02:36 2022 No.14827121 I feel sad, and there's no launch or anything else happening now to distract myself with, shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:07:51 2022 No.14827134 is it worth getting KSP or should i just wait till KSP 2?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:08:16 2022 No.14827137 >>14825884 Their country and population and wealth and intelligence is big enough I'd imagine they can do 10 at once or more

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:10:13 2022 No.14827139 >>14827134 It’s mandatory

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:12:49 2022 No.14827145 >>14826504 >>14826532 Isn't that basically a fucking Macross main gun?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:14:05 2022 No.14827148 >>14826044 So we could have had like 75 SLS launches, instead of a telescope that does things hardly better than the ones 50 years ago?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:17:04 2022 No.14827154 >>14827148 I’d rather have 0 SLS launches and ~2-3 multi-billion dollar bloat telescopes that at least contribute to science to be dêsü

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:18:20 2022 No.14827155

>>14827145
pretty much. I think we need to start thinking deeply about space militarization because I know the chinese are. we have to keep the stars safe for freedom. anytime you hear someone argue we should not expand into space ask them how they plan to stop the chinese from doing it and using space to gain a material advantage militarily over the rest of the world? they will deflect, hem-haw and be unable to answer sensibly. Keep pushing and make it clear to all in earshot that to abandon space is to abandon life itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:21:00 2022 No.14827164 >>14826504 Have experiments in space been done with things like this? Laser propulsion and stuff

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:25:24 2022 No.14827171 >>14824521 callisto and ganymede would melt into effectively bottomless ocean worlds if you warmed them up above freezing. They are mostly water ice and water with some dirt mixed in down to a few hundred km depth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:26:06 2022 No.14827174 >>14827164 NASA still can't get regular solar photon sail missions funded reliably. We might need the Space Force to take a larger role.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:34:30 2022 No.14827186 >>14827103 How do you assure a fuel depot never crashes to earth

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:35:19 2022 No.14827187 >it's been a year and a half since the last starship launch fugg

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:37:20 2022 No.14827191 File: 292 KB, 2048x1366, 1634907357661.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14825486 >>14825486 >>14825486

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:44:05 2022 No.14827199 File: 349 KB, 2048x1364, hahahaha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14827186 >How do you assure a fuel depot never crashes to earth

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:50:28 2022 No.14827208

>>14826372
I don't about that, JWST ended up being launched on a rocket that had far better cost per pound than the shuttle and JWST was still a massively wasteful and expensive embarrassment. If launches become cheap, they will just find another way to waste massive amount of money. Spending big bucks and being high rollers is their only goal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:51:38 2022 No.14827212 >>14827191 reusable threads

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:53:24 2022 No.14827216 [DELETED]

>>14827174
With NASA's budget what projects in the last 15 years would you not have funded in exchange for funding solar sail and laser based propulsion, and ______________?

Also this is for everyone to answer: you are in charge of NASA, you are given $50billion, what do you have NASA do with it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:58:35 2022 No.14827224 Someone bake a a new thread, as to not encourage early staging. The jannies can clean up the other one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:59:48 2022 No.14827227 >>14827224 Just don't be a sperg about it and recycle duplicate threads like every other board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 03:02:12 2022 No.14827232 >>14827227 >Use my shitty thread No. We, yes, >we, have always ignored early threads, lurk more.

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 03:03:26 2022 No.14827236

>>14827232
That's because the board is so slow they are rare but other generals get it all the time an don't sperg and save the jannies work by using duplicate threads. Getting even mildly upset about indicates deep aspergers and genes that should stay on earth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 03:06:46 2022 No.14827247 >>14827236 >Save the jannies work Kill yourself. You're so desperate for your thread to be the OP and your attempt at gaslighting is sad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 03:25:24 2022 No.14827279 >>14827186 just want you to know you're a huge faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 03:29:11 2022 No.14827286 >>14827227 You're doing the same shit you do on /toy/ you transparent fag

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 03:55:12 2022 No.14827328 [DELETED]

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>>14826554
>This optically coupled particle and laser beam are governed by two fundamental coupling phenomena. The light guiding occurs due to the higher index of refraction inside the particle beam compared to the vacuum of space outside the beam. This same principle can be seen in step index fiber optic cables. The particle guiding requires the particles to be at very low (sub-Kelvin) temperatures to effectively couple the beams. Once the atoms are cold, the high intensity laser creates and potential “well” through a dipole force that the particles will stay trapped in unless they gain enough energy to escape the well.

This will be amazing if it works.

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 04:29:47 2022 No.14827391

>>14827071
so they're building a space based weapons system for the military, what kind of munitions will the "cargo depots" be holding? conventional munitions could be useful, having conventional strike capability on call overhead at all times, nukes are too messy

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 04:32:40 2022 No.14827396 >>14827224 we could also protest by continuing to post in this thread in the archive rather than joining the usurper after 404 https://archived.moe/sci/thread/14823528

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 04:40:57 2022 No.14827405 >>14827396 ghost posting is for fags

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