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>> No.14632301 [DELETED] 

rip guidestones
I thought they were neat and made good points

>> No.14632307 [DELETED] 

>>14632301
Nah they're dumb.

>> No.14632318 [DELETED] 

>>14632301
retard alert

>> No.14632320 [DELETED] 

>>14632301
Good riddance

>> No.14632324 [DELETED] 

>>14632301
Monuments to malthusian globalism deserve to be destroyed.

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>>14632301
racist

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>>14632324
monuments are always neat. we should be building huge ones nowadays since we have the technology. Who cares if the 'message' might be a bit off? should we tear down old roman arches because they were celebrating conquering and slaughtering other people? I thought /sfg/ wasn't retarded.

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>>14632301
Spaceflight?

>> No.14632331 [DELETED] 

>>14632301
spaceflight?

>> No.14632332 [DELETED] 

>>14632327
>should we tear down old roman arches because they were celebrating conquering and slaughtering other people?
we should build more
on mars

>> No.14632333 [DELETED] 

>>14632327
>should we tear down old roman arches because they were celebrating conquering and slaughtering other people?
We should be building additional monuments to celebrate conquering and slaughter

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>>14632293
i love starship

>> No.14632338 [DELETED] 

>>14632327
Roman arches celebrate great men. The guidestones celebrated the castration of mankind.

>> No.14632340 [DELETED] 

>>14632333
Trips confirm, when we building the 50 meter tall solid aluminum cube monument anons?

>> No.14632341 [DELETED] 

wow /sfg/ really is vapid, to think I thought we were all smart here. Celebrating destroying something on private property because muh globalism
fucking /pol/ cross boarders, you should all be banned

>> No.14632346 [DELETED] 

>>14632341
>I thought we were all smart here
This belief itself is nigh-criminal stupidity

>> No.14632347 [DELETED] 

>>14632341
>I thought we were all smart here
We all think that at the start, but once you actually read a thread it's obvious that that's unfortunately not the case.

>> No.14632349 [DELETED] 

>>14632341
>Guies, we need to kill off 95% of the human population and establish a centralized world government!

The human spirit needs to be purified of this sort of evil before we can be allowed to leave for other worlds. Mars is unstained by your filth and must remain clean

>> No.14632354

>>14632349
mars will literally be the exact society the guide stones want. We can't have more people on mars than the infrastructure supports, and breeding will be managed smartly.

>> No.14632355 [DELETED] 

>>14632341
>he took the bait

>> No.14632357

July 7 0505 EDT - Russian Space Forces - Soyuz - Plesetsk, Russia - Glonass-K1 global navigation satellite.
July 7 0900 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - SLC-40, Florida - Starlink 4-21.
July 9 2000 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Starlink 4-22.
July 10 2000 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - VSFB, California - Starlink 3-1.
July 12 0100 EDT - Rocket Lab - Electron - New Zealand - Classified payload for NRO.
July 12 0657 EDT - Equatorial Launch Australia - Black Brant IX - Arnhem, Australia - Alpha Centauri UV experiment sounding rocket.
July 13 0713 EDT - Arianespace - Vega C - French Guiana - Debut flight, LARES-2 magnetic sensing satellite.
July 13 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Starlink 4-25.
July 13 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - VSFB, California - Starlink 3-2.
July 14 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - 39A, Florida - Cargo Dragon 2, ISS commercial resupply.
July 21 - Rocket Lab - Electron - New Zealand - Classified payload for NRO.
July 22 - CASC - Long March 5B - Wenchang, China - Wentian laboratory module for the Chinese space station.
July 31 - ULA - Atlas V - SLC-41, Florida - US Space Force missile early-warning satellite.
July - JAXA - Epsilon - Uchinoura, Japan - RAISE-3 technology demonstration payloads.
July - Rocket Lab - Electron - New Zealand - Rideshare payloads including NASA's advanced solar sail system.
July - Landspace - ZhuQue-2 - Jiaquan, China - Debut flight, first Chinese private and methalox rocket.
July - Relativity - Terran 1 - LC-16, Florida - “Good Luck, Have Fun” debut flight.

>> No.14632358

>>14632354
It won't need to be. Developed nations with high living standards have low birth rates as a rule. If anything the social systems on Mars will need to heavily encourage reproduction at every turn, not discourage it.

>> No.14632360

>>14632355
6 people all baiting me at the same time? maybe 2/6. the rest are schizotypal semi-insane people who's lives are impacted by their brains fault of inherently believing in numerology
not meming

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This rocket is beautiful I don’t care what anyone says

>> No.14632362

>>14632349
The human spirit needs exactly zero changes before we "allow" ourselves to colonize space. Our #1 priority needs to be colonizing space. Problems on Earth? Not my fuckin problem. Have some hypervelocity fucking rocks.

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>>14632341
Seems weird to worry about /pol/ when /sci/ is right outside. Go to the new CERN particles thread and have a look.

>> No.14632366

>>14632360
>caring whatsoever about the opinions of schizos
you're even worse than I thought

>> No.14632367

There WILL be a city named Musk on Mars and you know it.

>> No.14632369

>>14632363
there are /pol/ threads right now claiming the CERN tests and this guidestone dynamiting are related, like ooooh 6666.1 miles between CERN and the guide stones, muh satan. It's all fucking schizotypals and they cross-board everywhere. they should all be banned.

>>14632366
of course, when they shit up threads

>> No.14632370

>>14632361
I don't care what you say either, it's objectively a piece of shit and it looks like one, too.
SLS Block 2 with Pyrios boosters was the only aesthetic concept version, too bad it's never happening (though even if it were to be chased it would only mean more delays and tens of billions wasted. I hate SLS so much it's unreal, literally zero redeeming qualities).

>> No.14632372

>>14632354
No one who has ever said "breeding will be managed smartly" has ever been qualified to manage a Denny's let alone a civilization.

>>14632357
The launch cycles for the Falcon's have really bunched up lately.

>> No.14632373

>>14632369
Just shut the fuck up and take the ignore pill

>> No.14632375

>>14632361
i love how the burnt orange tank is almost brown because of how long it's been since they sprayed on the foam now

>> No.14632377

>>14632357
>relativity is doing le epic mission naming meme like rocketlab
meh

>> No.14632379

>>14632375
brown is orange

>> No.14632380

>>14632367
There are going to be statues of him. Every single town and city will have features with his name. As Wernher predicted, the title of the highest executive office will be 'Elon'.
The measure of his influence on future Martian society is already enormous, and will only continue to grow.

>> No.14632381

>>14632369
Schizotypalism isn't schizophrenia. Schizotypals are socially stunted shut-ins.

>> No.14632385

>>14632380
Speaking of statues on Mars, I wonder if there will be any of Zubrin.

>> No.14632386

>>14632381
Schizotypals have the sort of numerology we see most often on /pol/, at least that's what I assume from watching too many Sapolsky lectures

>> No.14632388

>>14632381
>Schizotypals are socially stunted shut-ins.
see? absolutely nothing to do with /sfg/

>> No.14632389

>>14632354
>We can't have more people on mars than the infrastructure supports, and breeding will be managed smartly.
Imagine how slowly civilization would’ve advanced had man’s reproduction been limited by the whims of a bunch of four eyed middle managers for the past 10,000 years. A society too timid to roll the dice is a society too timid to progress. A society too timid to progress is a society too timid to survive. Nature doesn’t give a fuck about your quarterly reports or your quotas.

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oh no SLS bros.. people are catching on...

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>>14632361

>> No.14632394

let's get back on topic

9
kids

>> No.14632396

>>14632385
Small-scale comfy ones, like those you see in city parks. A bronze Zubrin sitting relaxed on a bench, there to silently sit beside you as you enjoy the day.

>> No.14632399

Again: /sfg/ is all offboarders.
What board are you from, anon?

>> No.14632400

>>14632390
i'm not gonna turn into a schizo who thinks he makes the rules but it'd be nice if we could cut back on youtube clickbait thumbnail posts by like 90%. there's way too many channels all doing the same shit these days.

>> No.14632401

>>14632379
yeah but now it's really dark orange.

>> No.14632403

>>14632400
public sentiment towards space flight is relevant to space flight

>> No.14632406

>>14632390
Based poobots.

>> No.14632408

>>14632386
Preoccupation with numerology is more characteristic of obsessive compulsion. Check out his Sapolsky's 'lost video' on human behavior and religion.

>> No.14632409

>>14632392
imagine if we had gotten the white version of sls instead...
>>14632399
board? the fuck is that, is there anything else besides sfg in here?

>> No.14632412

>>14632408
oh I've watched that one, it's great. We're really all just sacks of proteins and water, it's scary simple to have some chemical imbalance make you be crazy.

>> No.14632414

hey everybody how ya doin

>> No.14632415

>>14632394
rumors Amber Heard's child is his too apparently

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>>14632396
>ywn sit with Zubrin at the park
Why live?

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>>14632409
white paint on the SOFI really didn't look that great in practice but most people have only seen it in zoomed-out shots and fuzzy tv images from 1981. white sls would not have looked nearly as good as the nostalgia-baiting cgi everyone put out of it.

>> No.14632425

>>14632421
The white paint looked great, and furthermore, it was structural. It held the foam together.

>> No.14632427

>>14632414
going to read Carrying the Fire this weekend hbu

>> No.14632428

>>14632333
Seriously, everything on Mars must be stone to last the test of time. No point building a civilization that's made of rapidly deteriorating garbage. Also, litter the place with fucking statues and stone art.
I wish I lived in a stone house.

>> No.14632431

>>14632428
we need to apply ruinenwerttheorie too. if mars fails, at leas the next batch of humans to go there will have some neat stuff to look at

>> No.14632432

>>14632425
love to see rusty streaks running down my mega moon rocket because it sat out in the rain

>> No.14632433

>>14632412
I spent some time working in a mental hospital, and saw the aftermath of some involuntary, wildly self-destructive behaviors. If you're mentally intact and able to walk around, count your lucky fucking stars - you got dealt a dream hand in life.

>> No.14632434

>>14632432
I don't see any "rust streaks"? Why would there be? The orange is foam, not iron oxide.

>> No.14632435

>>14632433
there is some incredible stat that like 50% of super violent prisoners have had a TBI in the past. when brain renewal drugs become a reality, humanity will be in for some big changes

>> No.14632437

>>14632428
Nothing outside on Mars will degrade substantially. No humidity, no oxygen, no significant weather, no micrometeor impacts. Just dust and ultraviolet light.

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>>14632434
i have no idea the chemistry behind it but you can see the orangey blotches in any picture that shows detail of the tanks for sts-1 and sts-2.

>> No.14632442

>>14632418
Imagine just walking along at the woods with him and the dogs, comfy fall evening, not too hot or cold. You hear the leafs crumbling beneath your soles, as you two make their way towards no destination in particular. Sometimes the wind makes it presence known by throwing gentle breezes at your face, and you can see some birds chirping and sitting atop the trees at the distance. The topic of discussion right now is the initial settlement of Mars. He tells you what he thinks is the best way for the colony to become self-sufficient. At the end of a long rant, filled with not-so-subtle derision towards the heritage contractors, NASA, and the government; he just stops for a moment while his dogs start smelling a nearby bush. A short pause ensues, but he finally asks you: "What do you think about it, anon?".

>> No.14632445

>>14632431
>inb4 next civilization attributes ruins to aliums
>>14632437
Even so, stone is the most permanent things man can build with, I'd want that over anything else.

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>>14632439
I see some blotches, probably from an uneven application of paint. But I don't see any streaking.

Anyway, it looks good. Much better than the blotchy orange tanks.

>> No.14632448

>>14632399
I only browse /sfg/ but I spend a lot of time on /fit/ too

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>>14632447
i don't think the orange discolorations are a result of the paintjob because they aren't there for photos of the stacking. they only showed up after columbia got rolled back and forth from the pad.

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>>14632442
>"Tigers in the jungles of Mars."

>> No.14632452

>>14632450
>i don't think the orange discolorations are a result of the paintjob
No shit? The orange isn't paint. The orange is the color the foam turns when exposed to UV light. And these tanks were always blotchy.

>> No.14632456

orange SLS < white SLS <<<<< blue SLS

>> No.14632457

Where do all you guys get high resolution vintage Shuttle photos? All the ones I can find are shitty reups from Stack Exchange or broken URLs to NASA's old website.

>> No.14632462

>>14632456
this guy fucks

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>>14632456
kino taste

>> No.14632470

>>14632464
There has to be way to make the foam any other color than orange without significantly adding to the weight.

>> No.14632472

>>14632470
The foam is nominally an off-white. The orange color comes from UV degrading the material.

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>>14632452
yeah so you're either too dense or too stubborn to see what i'm talking about. i offer this visual aid with hope, but not with confidence, that it will make things clearer.

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>>14632452
>foam tank is a splotchy orange color
>put a thin coat of white paint on it
>white tank looks splotchy still
This isn't rocket science.

>> No.14632476

>>14632474
>This isn't rocket science.
Innit? What's paint weigh, anyway?

>> No.14632478

>>14632476
Paint doesn't weigh anything, it's just color.

>> No.14632479

>>14632478
Pick up a paint can

>> No.14632481

>>14632479
It's heavy before it dries.

>> No.14632483

>>14632457
wikimedia

>> No.14632487

>>14632457
you can always just set the size setting to large on google images

>> No.14632493

>>14632478
On the scale of structures like a rocket the weight of paint is not insignificant
>t. worked on rockets

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wouldn't it be more aerodynamic if the painted flame on vulcan was pointed down?

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beamed power can't work in the atmosph-

>> No.14632508

>>14632472
Then I am sure there is a chemical additive out there that can be put into the foam and once it's been sufficiently exposed to UV it changes color. I don't know a lot about chemistry, but I distinctly remember fucking around with chemicals that transitioned from one color to another after UV exposure.

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>>14632493
>nooooo you can't paint my rocket you'll increase its mass by 0.1% noooooooo I'll lose 50kg to LEO performance aaaaaaagh
even captcha agrees with me

>> No.14632515

>>14632508
Unless you can stop the UV degradation of the foam it'll naturally form an orange pigmentation, and if you use a UV-formed dye that changes the composition, it'll be necessary to make sure that it doesn't make the stuff useless as insulation.

>> No.14632517

>>14632496
>nasa designed the shuttle in the 60s and built it in the 70s
could they have built starship back then?

>> No.14632518

>>14632517
yes but it would've been painted orange just like the shuttle ET

>> No.14632519

>>14632517
They didn't have computers fast enough to handle it

>> No.14632522

>>14632517
They could have. It's likely they would have ended up trying to make it Kerolox in the booster and Hydrolox in the ship and land on a runway instead of landing the upper stage propulsively, but it was possible to build.

>> No.14632525

>>14632513
based, also kek, nice captcha

>> No.14632529

Someone needs to take Elon's penis privileges away from him.

>> No.14632533

>>14632529
most have been IVF I think. First 3, second 2, first Grimes one.

>> No.14632540

>>14632513
if paint actually increased mass by an entire 0.1% nobody would ever paint their rockets

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>>14632293
nice toy collection, kid

>> No.14632561 [DELETED] 

>>14632551
i-is there a zubrin funko pop?

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>>14632299
Why can't it happen sooner bros

>>14632399
Post on
>/Fit/, /g/, /diy/, /sfg/
Lurk
>/pol/, /biz/, the rest of /sci/

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>>14632522
>>14632517
Pic related

>> No.14632581

people in other countries than USA, how has your local media been covering starship? at all?

>> No.14632585

>>14632581
My fiance is Iraqi and starship only came up when SN8 flew except news made it look like the failings of some evil western charlatan

>> No.14632587

>>14632399
/trash/

>> No.14632588
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JWST test image

>> No.14632589

>>14632588
Most exciting thing about JWST is being able to look at exoplanetary atmospheres

>> No.14632590

>>14632585
Huh, I guess they aren't so different after all.
>>14632588
>holes being burnt in the film by the brightness of the stars
It's over

>> No.14632597

>>14632427
i want a new tv for my home, but idfk what to get

>> No.14632598

>>14632399
/jp/, /a/

>> No.14632623

>>14632529
Seriously. He just had twins with Shivon, one of his top execs. THey're trying to twist this in with the SpaceX incident to portray him as someone who abuses his power to get in with his employees. (Shivon has been very supportive of him on Twitter)

I can't bros. Aubrey de Grey got canceled and there went our only real chance to combat aging in our lifetime. Now they're trying to take away our chance of getting to Mars in our lifetime.

>> No.14632624

>>14632418
lol, that dog on the right looks really similar to mine wtf.

>> No.14632626

>>14632399
The one that is basically a fed op. No, not /pol/.

>> No.14632627

>>14632399
/fit/,/biz/,/lit/, /diy/ are the ones i lurk and post more, /sci/ is just another /tv/ shitpost wise so i dont really dig it.

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>>14632399
/biz/

>> No.14632640

>>14632623
Elon Musk is an alpha chad

>> No.14632641

>>14632623
aubrey was sexist scum

>> No.14632657

>>14632399
/fit/, /trash/, and /a/, and for the second one it's only the transformers generals. For the latter, it's only the CHADS of /a/.

>> No.14632662

>>14632623
https://www.commonsense.news/p/he-was-a-world-renowned-cancer-researcher
Don't forget Sabatini

>> No.14632675

>>14632464
Ah yes, Fukushima blue.

>> No.14632679

>>14632474
>This isn't rocket science.
How much Delta V does the outgassing paint add?

>> No.14632680

>Virgin Galactic is buying two more planes

Who keeps giving these guys money

>> No.14632682

>>14632675
Fitting, because SLS will also be turned to rubble in a hydrogen explosion.

>> No.14632684

>>14632680
It doesn't matter who they are, what matters is their plan

>> No.14632692

If anyone is up the SpaceX launch from CCSFS SLC-40 is in eight and a half hours or so

>> No.14632693

>>14632692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_A7xdnVllM

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Has anyone actually flown test hardware for long term cryogenic handling in orbit or will Starship be first for that?

>> No.14632710

>>14632693
another x13 booster

>> No.14632725

>>14632293
>>14631351
September 19th, 2022. Screencap this.

>> No.14632728

>>14632709
There’s been a handful of zero boil off Methalox tanks in orbit. Can’t find the specific experiments but I’ll see if I can

>> No.14632730

>>14632399
4chan

>> No.14632734

>>14632680
Wild guess.. Richard Branson?

>> No.14632784

>>14632399
/lgbt/

>> No.14632785

>>14632399
/tg/ and the various /v-/ boards

>> No.14632821

https://www.csis.org/analysis/boost-phase-missile-defense

> Boost-Phase Missile Defense: Interrogating the Assumptions provides a fresh assessment of key issues related to boost-phase defense, including the ways missile threats are evolving and broader technological trends. It examines prior boost-phase programs for lessons learned, reviews prior studies, and analyzes potential pathways towards realizing a boost-phase missile defense layer to defend the U.S. homeland.

>> No.14632833

>>14632519
Then have someone pilot it

>> No.14632840

>>14632464
Probably not the best idea to camouflage your rocket against the sky.

>> No.14632841

>>14632840
Delta blue, always reliable

>> No.14632871

>>14632399
Multiple /vg/ generals, /k/ and /ck/ too, and /sfg/

>> No.14632879
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>the heckin' paintrinos
This is what a real rocket looks like, go paint your nails, faggots.

>> No.14632882

>>14632879
>paint on the capsule and escape tower
NOOOO YOU'VE WASTED GRAMS OF PAYLOAD CAPACITY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.14632894

>>14632882
>grams
More like tons

>> No.14632896

>>14632894
ah yes, neutronium paint.

>> No.14632898

>>14632896
No theyre just that big

>> No.14632901

>>14632513
try 270kg

>> No.14632903
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>>14632399
/mlp/
/sfg/ is literally the only thing I ever go outside of it for.

>> No.14632906

>>14632901
TONS!

>> No.14632913

>>14632882
Even if paint weighed literally nothing it would still be a waste of resources unless it's to prevent severe oxidation.

>> No.14632916

>>14632913
Good paint is also a thermal regulator.

>> No.14632919

>>14632913
Making things look sexy is important for funding and national pride.

>> No.14632926

>>14632919
>national pride
>SLS

>> No.14632930

>>14632919
SLS is a national disgrace.

>> No.14632939

>>14632903
Kek that ain't a real quote
Also how is pony fags still a thing thought that shit finally died out.

>> No.14632955

>>14632399
/sfg/ is around 95% f my time on 4chins, other than that it's just the odd /vg/ thread for Enlg, TESG, and FOG. sometimes /k/

>> No.14632958

>>14632879
Where did we go so wrong bros

>> No.14632998

Fuckkkk I’m sleeping through the launch tomorrow. Every F9 launch I feel like something will go wrong “just because.”

>> No.14633006

>>14632930
No argument there. It's ugly as sin, late as hell, and very soon to be completely obsolete.
The only silver lining here is the American government is being embarrassed by an American corporation. Thank Christ it's SpaceX doing the embarrassing, not the goddamn chinese.

>> No.14633008
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Rockets are more important than LHC.

>> No.14633028
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Where did SN11 go? I never saw it land

>> No.14633031

>>14633028
Pretty sure the demolished it.

>> No.14633033

>>14633028
no one knows

>> No.14633048

>>14633028
To orbit.

>> No.14633066

>>14633028
it went to mars

>> No.14633096

>>14632906
You could combine the payloads of both the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and they would still only weigh 232kg. Paint is wasted mass.

>> No.14633105

>>14632513
The mass you put on paint is mass you aren't putting into orbit. Keep in mind that Mariner 4 for example weighed only 261 kg

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>>14632399
Pretty much the same as >>14632903, I do check /g/, /vg/, and a few other boards occasionally.

>> No.14633118
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The ISS just flew over my house. I managed to get pic related from a long exposure on my phone. It was both underwhelming and really cool to see a bright light move silently across the sky. 9/10 would recommend.

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>>14632955
>/enlg/
Lmao at your dead general
Hello from /wtg/

>> No.14633146

>>14633118
>The ISS just flew over my house
thanks for doxxing yourself

>> No.14633153

>>14633144
>/wtg/
yikes

>> No.14633154

>>14633153
Don't worry, I only insult subhumans and shitpost about RB being a bad gamemode

>> No.14633155

>>14633118
satellites will always be cool
i'm glad you got to see it

>> No.14633165

A Ron DeSantis presidency would be really great for SpaceX

>> No.14633188

>>14633165
No it wouldn't

>> No.14633193

If Jeb! had won we'd have outposts in other star systems by now.

>> No.14633196

>>14633165
I don't think it'd make much of a difference, but I guess Elon thinks the same and that's part of the reason he's been virtue signalling and sucking up to Republicans so much lately.

>> No.14633204

>>14632399
/a/, /g/, /his/, /lit/, /k/

But I've been posting on /sfg/ since the earliest days of /sfg/.

>> No.14633228

>nearly all of musk's kids are from artificial insemination
lame

>> No.14633229

>>14633196
Desantis is a Tea Party (cut all spending for everything except the defense budget lmao) Repub. If anything he'd be worse for SpaceX because ULA has deeper military ties and BO is tied to them at the hip now on top of having an ace in the hole in the Senate with what's her name from Washington state. Biden has been no friend of Musk, but Biden isn't trying to strip NASA of a budget.

>> No.14633231

>>14633096
This is oldspace thinking. Nobody worries about the weight of paint on an airplane. It's going to be this way in space too, when getting to orbit is cheap.

>> No.14633234

>>14633231
>Nobody worries about the weight of paint on an airplane
airlines absolutely do

>> No.14633236

>>14633234
They still paint the damn things. They make them look nice, as they should.

>> No.14633239
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inb4 "planes NEED paint"

>> No.14633274

>>14633236
They mostly just paint them white, and the paint is useful to protect the underlying material.

>> No.14633277

>>14633239
Unpainted planes are more expensive to maintain.

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>>14633274
>They mostly just paint them white
Not if they have style.

>> No.14633291

>>14633028
It went to the farm, son.

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>>14633289
So you just don't know what "mostly" means, got it.

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>>14633299
The point isn't what "most" do; "most" is mediocre trash. The point is what you CAN do if you actually give a shit about making something nice.

>> No.14633328

>>14633304
Well yeah, as long as it doesn't harm profits too much (the paint, even colorful, still provides a useful protective layer, the only "waste" of money is that colored paint is more expensive and that you might not be able to sell the plane for as much as you would if it were plain white), and this already happens with rockets, painting flags and logos or even the big flame on vulcan. That still doesn't mean you can ignore the impacts, just that you allow yourself some margin. Slightly more expensive paint ≠ 270kg of lost payload mass.

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>Fun fact: if you were to drop a Blue whale from low earth orbit it would never reach terminal velocity. It’s so massive and relatively streamlined that it accelerates all the way.
https://twitter.com/JosephSteidl/status/1544372626381873152
lmao

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>>14632623
>Shivon
She's so fucking pretty bros

>> No.14633336
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>>14632399
/ck/, /co/, /int/, the gondola threads on /wsg/, sometimes /tg/ and /vg/
Each time I see other threads on /sci/ I feel my IQ decreasing

>> No.14633337

>>14633329
But how fast would the whale be going when he struck?

>> No.14633344

>>14633337
and will someone please think of the petunias?

>> No.14633353

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_A7xdnVllM

~90 mins till live

>> No.14633355

>>14632293
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/

For future launch schedules

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>>14633344
they just get reincarnated nbd

>> No.14633401

>>14633329
bullshit

>> No.14633409

>>14633329
Doubt the same would happen to a bowl of petunias

>> No.14633414

>>14633144
>wtg

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>>14633414
Yes?

>> No.14633432

>>14633418
who even plays WT anymore

>> No.14633448

>>14632590
>holes being burnt in the film by the brightness of the stars
>It's over
Dumbasses looking directly at the sun lol

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>>14633432
Me

>> No.14633459

>>14633448
>Dumbasses looking directly at the sun lol
In spaceflight jargon that's called "pulling a Alan Bean"

>> No.14633463
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14633463

Why Starship Could Transform Astronomy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSNkuqD_ZbQ

>> No.14633465

>>14633448
Imagine having a telescope so powerful that looking directly at a distant star would damage it

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There was a reason it was destroyed

>> No.14633478

>>14633353
20 mins till live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v19LEHOvcdM

>> No.14633502

>>14633329
From a super low altitude of 200km, assuming zero atmosphere, the whale would be moving at ~2000m/s by the time it hit the surface.

Obviously in reality the atmosphere would slow this rate of acceleration, but by the time it hits the thicker atmosphere it would be pushing like 1500m/s, ~ Mach 4.
I am skeptical.

>> No.14633505

SpaceX live

>> No.14633506

>>14632693
>Embed
M U S I C

>> No.14633507

When do you think SpaceX will inevitably lose a Falcon 9 from wear and tear?

>> No.14633513

>>14633507
No idea but it has me worried

>> No.14633518

>>14633507
It'll most likely be on the way down, so NBD because the payload would still be delivered.

>> No.14633521

There's like 40 fucking seconds between mission control and livestream today.

>> No.14633522

FLY

>> No.14633523
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>> No.14633526

KINO views

>> No.14633529

>>14633472
>be driving fast in a car
>can see a big mountain far away to the side
>i don't move and the mountain remains in the center of my view
wow you sure proved us

>> No.14633530

rip?

>> No.14633531

uh oh

>> No.14633532

why does spacex suck so much at showing landings. can't they buffer the vid for 20s before streaming it

>> No.14633534

>>14633532
seemed like they have moved past this
might of been a crash

>> No.14633535

Landing confirmed

>> No.14633536

>>14633534
>might of
"landing confirmed"

>> No.14633538

>>14633532
Because satellite uplink is a piece of shit. Doubly so when there's a first stage barreling down on you.

>> No.14633537

Never seen a camera fail that bad on landing, usually it's just an antenna shake-up and recovers right away.

>> No.14633539

>>14633538
there is no first stage barreling down on you 20s after it landed

>> No.14633540

>>14633536
trust me bro

>> No.14633541

>>14633537
>Never seen a camera fail that bad on landing
How many have you watched? Five?

>> No.14633543

>>14632464
fucking based if it was true.

>> No.14633545
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That was a really boring webcast the announcer had zero soul

>> No.14633556
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>>14633028
Found it

>> No.14633559

>>14633556
wait this is great, why have I never seen this before

>> No.14633560
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>>14633472
It's actually pretty interesting, Polaris is unique because it's nearly directly above the axis. Everything else does indeed spin around.

>> No.14633561

>>14633559
>He hasn't heard it yet
https://youtu.be/l4eawtvznbc?t=208
Headphone warning :)

>> No.14633563

>>14633559
Dunno, it's been posted before, a bunch of us watched live that day because we couldn't believe they'd actually try to fly it into 100% fog cover.

>> No.14633566

>>14633563
I watched live too, I just don't remember that particular camera feed. Was that a SpaceX camera or some random's camera?

>> No.14633568
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God, the Constellation program was so cool. In hindsight, it never was going to make it, as the current SLS is somewhat similar - but even smaller - to the planned Ares V, and it’s having a million and a half issues. But still, it’s very cool.
The Altair Lunar Lander would’ve cost $15 billion to build, which is 50% higher than even the National Team’s original ILV bid ($10 billion). Crazy!
If Constellation
>Used Shuttle-C instead (no serious development time or money on changing the external tank)
And
>Used proto-HLS selection (makes landers competitive)
It might’ve had a better chance of working.
The final interesting thing is that it was downscaled as the size of the rockets grew. At first, Orion would carry crew to the ISS, as well as cargo via an unmanned Orion capsule similar to Cargo Dragon, and even cargo in an expendable pressurized container 5 meters wide like a fat Cygnus.
Of course, Ares I grew larger still and eventually Orion lost its use as a cargo launcher to the ISS.

>> No.14633570

>>14632399
/int/ and /k/ mainly

>> No.14633571

>>14633566
I'd thought it was a random tankwatcher camera, but honestly I don't recall offhand. I remember another angle where debris took out a palm tree and nearly a bird.

>> No.14633572
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14633572

What even is a “hard start” on an engine? It killed SN11 and destroyed the second stage of that one smallsat company on the ground.

>> No.14633577

>>14633572
A hard start is a euphemism for the fuel-oxidizer mix detonating in the combustion chamber.

>> No.14633581

>>14633566
>>14633571
>cosmicperspective.com in the corner
I wonder if this is an official SpaceX view? Guess we'll never know.
I think the cut palm tree should be NSF or EA, I'm leaning Estronaut but too lazy to check right now.

>>14633572
Also known as engine explosion on startup. Can for example be caused by improper propellant mixture, air bubbles, insufficient pressure, and such.

>> No.14633582

>>14632623
Perhaps this incident will blackpill Elon into realizing the true purpose of the Tesla Bot

>> No.14633584
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>> No.14633585

>>14633584
Kinda looks like a diesel engine had a bad time.

>> No.14633591

>>14633584
Truck or some heavy equipment starting

>> No.14633595

>>14632623
I mean, the possibility of power dynamics playing a role is why pretty much every company expressly forbids this kind of relationship. Plenty of CEOs have been let go after consensual relationships with subordinates have come to light. I don't think it's a big deal but it absolutely isn't a great look, especially if he was still together with Grimes at that time (although I suppose she might be the type to be fine with that kind of stuff). Pretty much no other big company CEO could get away with it.

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>>14633560
the ecliptic and galactic poles are the patrician poles

>> No.14633598

>>14633595
Agreed but honestly Elon gets away with a lot because he has more power than most CEOs. The dude has to be more careful with stuff though

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So far this year

>> No.14633605

>>14633568
I still think the Constellation architecture is fun from a spaceflight autism perspective even though in my heart I know it never could have worked
>Of course, Ares I grew larger still
Because halfway through Orion bidding NASA began demanding Orion be fat as fuck despite most companies at the time proposing spacecraft that were just as capable while still being able to be lifted by existing vehicles. Only way to justify Ares 1 development was making Orion have such a large mass that no other launcher would do

>> No.14633608

All his kids are IVF to ensure male twins. He probably didnt even fuck this Shivon character.

Siobhan is a retarded word for an English speaker for sure but you yanks have made it seem even dumber there btw.

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>> No.14633611

>>14633603
>Europe: 1
Gloomy. Even if it was the most notable of the yea- ah, hold on, JWST was on Christmas Day. Gloomier.

>> No.14633622

>>14633611
It's about quality not quantity. The JWST was probably the most cutting edge payload ever launched by Europe. Meanwhile SpaceX is just shitting out flatpack Starlinks

>> No.14633637

>>14633622
ArianeSpace only has had one flight this year, that’s the issue. There’s also only four Ariane 5’s left, and Ariane 6 won’t fly until 2023

>> No.14633643

>>14633622
Starlink makes up 16 of the 28 payloads they've launched this year.

>> No.14633647

If Starlink has 400,000 users right now, it’s probably generating about $500 million a year in money. It’s not 1:1 though but just a ballpark estimate

>> No.14633653

>>14633571
Alright, found it. https://youtu.be/cN7855POvJ8?t=172 , watch the shrubs up front.

>>14633598
Oh absolutely. The board should've reigned him in years ago, but he owns them so it won't happen. He's fucked around (apparently literally) a lot by now, it remains to be seen if he will find out. That he's setting himself up as some sort of victim of woke leftist cancel culture is certainly a sign that he might.

>> No.14633657

>>14633653
If Elon implodes, I at least hope Starship is on a set path for greatness.

>> No.14633658

>>14633585
Yeah, that's coal rolling.

>> No.14633677

>>14633647
At the current launch rate, it's also bleeding at least $1.5 billion a year in launches alone, so that's nice, but doesn't mean much.

>> No.14633696

>>14633622
>It's about quality not quantity.
Falcon could just have easily launched JWST if it was available when it was being designed. The most important metric for a rocket is $/ton to where you want it. JWST being impressive doesn't retroactively make Ariane 5 a good rocket.

>> No.14633699

PTCHOO
I SPIT on lifting body airfraimes I SPIT on them
PTCHOO
PTCHOO

>> No.14633714

>>14633647
I love that as soon as Starlink starts to get somewhere you see the Big 4 suddenly start offering 1/1 gig connections for like 40 dollars a month in virtually every market.

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>>14633696
Falcon is not capable of precise insertion like Ariane

>> No.14633719

>>14633714
I wouldn't get your hopes up. You can haggle with customer retention to get your bill down if you threaten them with starlink, but I remember cable and satellite tv still having retarded prices long after smart tvs and streaming apps were ubiquitous. The prices still might be retarded but I don't know anyone that hasn't cancelled. They milk old and technically illiterate people as long as they can.

>> No.14633721

>>14633193
>Implying Jeb! didn't win
It's time to take the redpill anon.. we've been played for fools

>> No.14633730

>>14633696
For a payload like JWST the most important metric is reliability, followed by accuracy. Launch price hardly matters if your satellite already costs multiple billions. F9 had pretty much only matched reliability by the time JWST launched and we don't know if it's as accurate as Ariane or ULA.

>> No.14633734
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14633734

homosexualists cannot appreciate this, very sad!

>> No.14633758
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https://twitter.com/pilliarscreatio/status/1544975442150563842

>> No.14633760

>>14633561
this is pretty great

>> No.14633761

>>14633758
The apollo capsule could have been a space plane

>> No.14633775

>>14632623
he couldn't do better than that bug eyed freak?

>> No.14633779
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>>14633758

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>>14633761
>The apollo capsule was a space plane
fixed it for you

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>>14633761
truth

>> No.14633823
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>> No.14633836

>>14633775
Have you never played Crusader Kings? You can't get all the traits you want in the first generation.

>> No.14633838
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>>14633822

>> No.14633841

>>14633795
Someone post the alignment chart

>> No.14633852

>>14633823
Mmmmm... Aeolian sandstones

>> No.14633865
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>>14633472
I've always found flat earthers to be funny. Ask them why they think the globalists are hiding the true shape of Earth, and it's usually some variation of "They wants to hide GAWD and JEEEEEEBUS! They am SAY-TANISTS DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, and they are evil FREE-MAYSONS!"
Yet ask a hall o' cost denier why he thinks the Jews exaggerated/faked a whole genocide, and he'll mention multiple reasons, like the creation of Israel, a "get out of jail free" card for bullying Palestinians, brainwashing white children, into hating their own race, etc.
>>14633568
It was a CG demonstration video of the constellation program with "Let it Rock" by Kevin Rudolph playing that was what got me into spaceflight as a kid.

>> No.14633875
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14633875

When will Terran 1 launch?

>> No.14633878
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14633878

Remember when normalfags pretended to be sad over Opportunity shutting off?
>>14633716
What is the appeal to this? It's not funny or cool, it's just lame. Doesn't even really look like the rocket it's supposed to anthropomorphize.
>>14633734
When will Dream Chaser be crewed again?

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Ariane is cute!

>> No.14633901
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14633901

How will starship benefit the US military and Ukraine?

https://twitter.com/nikeskywalker/status/1545029302336606212?s=21&t=xpWeSS_NH8Ram8zlnsvs6w

The newest cope from Ztards is that spacex is conducting an unacceptable space race

>> No.14633913

>>14633901
it's not a race if there are no competitors

>> No.14633918

>>14633611
also they are about to debut the Vega-C, which should improve Europe's small launch capability. It was also going to go up today, but was delayed to the 13th.

>> No.14633931

>>14632901
270 kg out of 2,000,000 kg total mass is 0.013%.
If you look at just the total dry mass, which is 280,000 kg, then the paint takes up 0.09% of the mass.
So I'm either right or I'm REALLY right.

>> No.14633936

>>14633734
*spits*

>> No.14633938

>>14633105
The SLS first stage doesn't go to orbit anyway numbnuts, and ~300 kg of paint out of ~100,000 kg of payload means it doesn't matter
>ugh but my mass autism!
Fuck you, you want to be autistic about maximizing performance? Maximize payload per dollar and buy Falcon Heavy flights.

>> No.14633940
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14633940

>>14633901
Why does Russia keep calling Ukraine Nazis?
>Elon is Nazi now
Wew

>> No.14633944
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>>14633901
>posting the sharts of some delusional schizo

>> No.14633945

>>14633329
Yeah, it would accelerate backwards, ie it would still be slowing down by the time it hit the ground. Except it wouldn't, because entering from close to orbital velocity means the whale would be blowtorched by mach 20+ 5000 celsius plasma, which is an effective way of atomizing a large mammal into oxide vapors and dust.

>> No.14633946

>>14633940
Nazism doesn't carry the same connotations to Russians as it does to Westerners. Russians tend to see Nazis as little more than "enemies of Russia."

>> No.14633948

>>14633940
It's been their tactic for decades, some people prefer the word 'fascist'.

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>>14633918
>also they are about to debut the Vega-C
>Cost per launch US$37 million

>> No.14633951

>>14633507
After 100 flights/booster, which they won't ever reach before Starship takes over. Falcon 9 will then retire gracefully as a launch vehicle.

>> No.14633955

>>14633538
Starlink was the only reason they got any unbroken drone landing footage of any mission to this point silly.

>> No.14633956

>>14633944
>>14633901
I feel bad for Russian space fans. I hope they can see past propaganda and realize the SpaceX slander is bullshit

>> No.14633957

>>14633938
>Maximize payload per dollar
So no paint

>> No.14633960

>>14633901
is posting screencaps from literal whos on twitter allowed again?

>> No.14633961

>>14633572
Too much fuel and oxidizer mix in the combustion chamber before ignition, causing a detonation or at least a pressure spike big enough to damage or destroy the hardware.

>> No.14633964

>>14632399
Have had a /sfg/ tab continuously open for 2 years now.
/k/, /o/, /diy/, /co/, /u/, and /pol/
Job has to much free time....

>> No.14633967

>>14633865
Flat Earth is literally a government run psyop to discredit conspiracy theories in general. All conspiracies have to have a reason for why XYZ is being hidden. Flat earth doesn’t have one other than schizo shit

>> No.14633970

>>14633875
Hopefully this month. Seriously though, what benefits do printing tanks have? SpaceX shows you can use “normal” methods to make incredibly cheap vehicle. Why 3D print the tank?

>> No.14633971

>>14633608
Nah all his kids were produced by dumping fresh loads directly into fertile pussy, it's just that he only has two Y chromosomes, so he can only produce boys

>> No.14633977

>>14633577
>in the combustion chamber
>>14633961
>in the combustion chamber
y'all got it wrong. raptor preburners get too hot or detonate if they're not exactly in sync during startup because one is fuel and one is ox rich.

>> No.14633979

>>14633878
Opportunity shutting down was a bit sad but the thought of anthropomorphized Starships risking their lives and dying like test pilots is arguably sadder bruv

>> No.14633980

>>14633622
Starlink is cutting edge, it's just affordable instead of a two decade billion dollar boondoggle that would result in mass ropings if it failed off the pad.

>> No.14633981

>>14633507
If their reuse was much faster then I could see it happening, but right now I'm not sure.

>> No.14633984

>>14633677
Being a third of the way to breakeven on a business venture like this after only a few years is actually really good.

>> No.14633989

>>14633716
>Falcon is not capable of precise insertion like Ariane
this is bait

>> No.14633990

>>14633901
US space superiority will bring back the Reich?

>> No.14633991

>>14633716
I'd demonstrate my precise insertion to her if you know what I mean

>> No.14633993

>>14633677
I don’t think Starlink will break even for a while, or at least until the constellation is completed. There will always be Starlink launches to replace dead sats but eventually the cadence will fall.

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>>14633841
I don't know which one you are referring to so have this one

>> No.14634004

>>14633957
Falcon rockets are all painted, and they're the cheapest option with the most capability.

>> No.14634007

>>14633977
We are talking about hard starts, I didn't mention a specific engine.
>blah blah how raptor works
It doesn't work the way you describe.

>> No.14634016

>>14633970
It does not offer them any actual advantage. It's more expensive and takes longer and results in a heavier structure if you print the tank. The only components worth 3D printing may include thrust structures and so forth which can benefit from using complex shapes that are very difficult to fabricate using traditional means. Printing a tube is retardation, though.

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>>14634002
>Hullo
>best space youtuber

>> No.14634027

>>14633556
This is kino, like some blade runner shit.

>> No.14634032

>>14634004
>Falcon rockets are all painted, and they're the cheapest option with the most capability.
You pathetic paintcels never fail to make me laugh, it would be cheaper without paint. SpaceX should do that on their new rocket, oh wait...

>> No.14634034

>>14634007
It works exactly the way I describe. The preburners each power a pump. If one preburner starts slightly ahead of the other then it feeds the other preburner with more fuel or oxygen than it needs at that moment thus pushing the ratio towards stochiometric.

>> No.14634041

>>14633971
I assume you're joking, but it is known that his kids with Justine were IVF and these new ones being twins again makes it likely they're IVF as well, it has heightened chances of twins or more. The kids with Grimes seem more regular, though.

>>14633984
That's in launches alone and just the running rate, it doesn't include what they're losing on the terminals (at least another billion so far) or any of the operational and other costs beyond launch. I expect operational breakeven to require at minimum two to three million standard customers and that's without any development factored in.

>>14633989
We don't know, nobody (especially not SpaceX) publishes their numbers and only the non-SpaceX companies tout their accuracy, so the common wisdom has been that they're probably still better at it. What we do know is that JWST's insertion was very accurate and gained them a few extra years of manoeuvrability.

>>14634002
I meant the spaceplane alignment chart, I think it had capsules to fit the conversation.

>> No.14634048

>>14633946
this is to be contrasted with the more nuanced use of the term in the west, where calling people nazis means "enemies of the current thing"

>> No.14634054

>>14633865
>It was a CG demonstration video of the constellation program with "Let it Rock" by Kevin Rudolph playing that was what got me into spaceflight as a kid.
lol I remember that video, it's from 2008. Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qAjxWV7Xdo
Also, you might like this one too, about SpaceX and from 2011, it's got a similar vibe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSF81yjVbJE

>> No.14634060

>>14632623
Gwen triplets when?

>> No.14634067

>>14633118
Very cool photo anon. You should take a long exposure picture of the night sky and try to get a shot of andromeda in it.

>> No.14634068

>>14634048
The implication that's supposed to be carried is that people are akin to the greatest universally-agreed-upon evil, in a "I bet you would do the horrible things the Nazis did if you had the chance" sense. Russia doesn't actually care about the atrocities because the Nazis were just the great enemy they defeated, while being guilty of basically all the exact same shit.

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>> No.14634086

>>14634041
>especially not SpaceX) publishes their numbers
They've published their margin for error and it's still accurate
>gained them a few extra years of manoeuvrability
With a payload agnostic of vehicle, otherwise they could add more station keeping propellant and still launch at a lower cost
>unironically falling for old space marketing and claiming it's common wisdom

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14634087

evrobros, is there any hope we can have a space revolution and go on the main stage

>> No.14634092

>>14634054
it's kinda unintentionally hilarious how the video appears to depict orion just deciding to head back home on its own while the astronauts are still on the lunar surface

>> No.14634113

>>14632903
lauren faust was a cute

>> No.14634116

>>14633603
RocketLab = New Zealand

>> No.14634121

Nu Hullo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYk_mSJjyko

>> No.14634129

>>14632903
Same here

>> No.14634135

>>14634086
Their margin is not what they actually achieve, we don't know their distribution over that margin, that's my point. We don't know it for anyone except for Tory's bullseye charts and those aren't proper data either. Common wisdom is maybe the wrong term, I mean that's the opinion people generally gravitate to because we have nothing else to go off of, but as I said, since we don't have actual numbers we don't actually know. Maybe SpaceX is as accurate as ULA, maybe they aren't, maybe Arianespace beats them all. They all are accurate enough and it probably matters little, but beyond that, we just don't know.

>> No.14634139

>>14634034
>If one preburner starts slightly ahead of the other then it feeds the other preburner with more fuel or oxygen than it needs at that moment thus pushing the ratio towards stochiometric.
This isn't true because the minor propellant stream feeding each preburner is not a straight pipe, there is a control valve along the way and the engine is set so that the maximum possible flow rate is too small to allow the gasses in the preburner to get hot enough to cause damage. Besides that, the ratio in the preburners is VERY far from stoichiometric, so much so that the gasses exiting the preburner aren't even hot enough to autoignite on contact in the main combustion chamber. That means they're running something like >95% fuel rich or oxygen rich, depending on the pump.

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>The Minotaur II space launch vehicle exploded approximately 11 seconds after launching off the test pad at 11:01 p.m. local time, Vandenberg.
>The incident resulted in a fire on base, though officials noted that debris from the blast didn't stray outside of the "immediate vicinity" of the launch bad. The local Vandenberg Fire Department responded and was able to put out the fire before it threatened other areas of the base. No injuries were reported.
>A cause of the failed test was not immediately clear, and it's under investigation. Local reports, citing military press releases, say the test was originally slated for Thursday morning but was moved up to late Wednesday night for unknown reasons.
>"The military base was testing the U.S. Air Force’s new missile rocket, which is expected to be used with the future LGM-35A Sentinel intercontinental ballistic missile," one area report details.
>"Both are being developed by the Air Force’s Nuclear Weapons Center to will replace the aging Minuteman missiles that have previously been tested at the Central Coast base, located near Lompoc," the reported added.

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>>14634121
Orbital drift bros, we're famous

>> No.14634149

>>14634087
Only if the EU breaks up and France shakes loose the chains of cuck-german bureaucracy. I'm not being ironic when I say that.

>> No.14634153

>>14634121
little paypiggy shit claims he invented the AGA in the question

>> No.14634155

>>14634141
Can you post a link or fucking anything other than raw copypaste text?

>> No.14634182

>>14634155
No. That's the entire story. I'm not gonna help ad leeches out. Besides, it takes 2 seconds for you to find it yourself.

>> No.14634201

>>14634182
>he doesn't run uBlock to trick ads everywhere
kek

>> No.14634208

>>14634182
I'm not interested in finding it myself

>> No.14634231 [DELETED] 

How is Felon Huskrat not behind bars right now?

>> No.14634243

Don't reply to it, newfaggots

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December 1952 marked the last launch of the V2 sounding rocket in my career. So I decided to put some American flags on the former German weapon in order to symbolize the end of an era and the beginning of another.

>> No.14634261

Reminder that Elon and Gwynne are the only launch vehicle company executives on the planet that don't deserve to be thrown in prison

>> No.14634262

>>14634258
what's its target?

>> No.14634264

>>14634262
Nowhere. Usually they had instruments but this time it was a simple down range contract which the vehicle did pretty well. In real life, V2 sounding rockets stopped flying in 1952, too.

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If the Orange Tank was painted would the foam still be able to fall off and kill Columbia?

>> No.14634268

>>14634265
yes

>> No.14634269

>>14634265
Nope. Lack of paint on the foam killed 7 people. This is indisputable

>> No.14634276

>>14634265
I’ve seen people say either it would’ve saved them or it wouldn’t.
>” The paint also did not prevent foam from popping free of Columbia's fuel tank during itsfirst two launches, Chapman added”
> https://www.space.com/2282-columbias-white-external-fuel-tanks.html

>> No.14634279

>>14634265
you would've had supersonic paint chips AND foam hitting it

>> No.14634283

>>14634265
Simply add long carbon fibers to the pain mixture.

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SpaceX should provide free tickets to those of us who want to go to Mars first, despite the danger. I mean, Shackleton didn't ask people to pay to sail with him, it was the other way around. It will solve the population problem on mars

>> No.14634292

>>14634288
It’s pretty likely SpaceX really opens the floodgates for people when colonization is under way. I hope it’s not when we’re all geriatrics

>> No.14634294

>>14632399
I browse /X/ mostly. I seek the beyond, inner and without.

>> No.14634296

>>14634288
It's not that easy.

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>>14634135
Less powerful engines just have more margin to shutdown precisely, possibly leading to minor improvements in accuracy that are held in esteem by old space companies with nothing else to show off as they cannot compete on price. If customers actually valued highly precise insertions all upper stages would have higher delta-v RCS to get it perfect before release. Satellites normally carry spare onboard propellant to make sure they have more than enough for their intended life and you can see in the ULA bullseye image that their insertion requirement was ironically very easy to meet. This is partly because GTO to GEO satellites have high delta-v so they can do the inclination change/circularization burn, and station-keeping there is much more intensive than most other orbits.

>> No.14634301

>>14634288
Initial colonists will be the cream of the crop only
Too much is critical for anything less than the best

>> No.14634303

>>14634265
Reminder that the Buran experienced pretty hefty tile strikes. So I’m going with yes. If it’s not the foam then it’s gonna be something else such as ice. Stacking your orbiter right next to giant cryogenic tank(s) shaking from the force of rocket engines with nothing to protect you but flimsy astronaut ice cream tiles is a retarded idea

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>>14632399
/trash/ mostly. The only reason I still come to 4chan is for /sfg/ and furry/scaly threads

>> No.14634306

>>14634288
Tickets will be made available and for sale to the elite few adventurers.

$1M isn't too much to ask for. A retired veteran/professional can definitely afford it if it means they can establish a base on Mars and SpaceX will provide the foods/supplies as needed. Instead of waiting out your life as a retired man doing nothing, you can contribute to something and become part of history. Retired also dont care about money since the money will rot away after their death anyway. As long as they got food/shelter, and gives some meaning to life, people will do it.

>> No.14634312

>>14633865
Could be worse, could have been the 1990 traveling Star Trek Space Science exhibit that got me into astronomy

(I had an Atlas poster on my wall and everything!)

Even got a traveling NASA demo at school back in '94 of what it was like to steer Mars Pathfinder with the transmission delay

>> No.14634323

>>14634306
How are you going to build a self-sustaining civilization with retirees, anon?
>>14634292
>>14634296
>>14634301
Once the initial stage is completed, I think something like loaned tickets could help. You can go with little to no upfront cost, then SpaceX takes a percentage out of a colonist's paycheck till they cover the cost.

>> No.14634331

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

More B7 testing.


>>14634323
>How are you going to build a self-sustaining civilization with retirees, anon?
You have to start somewhere. Have bunch of retirees live out their lives on Mars, pay for the trip so it sustains SpaceX's ventures, while building out infrastructure on Mars, all the while Mars outpost grows over time as well as SpaceX gaining more technological maturity, thus reliability/safety/reusability aspects become more and more streamlined, thus costing less money to go to Mars.

On top of that, the retirees could also have children on Mars as well, along with fresh arrivals from Earth, the retirees and their children could start business/work as they expand the base further and further out. Maybe their children from Earth could come visit, who knows. It will be organic.

>> No.14634339

>>14634288
Dumbass. Shackleton's crew was paid

>> No.14634342

>>14634331
>the retirees could also have children on Mars as well
look up "menopause"

>> No.14634346

>>14634312
>Even got a traveling NASA demo at school back in '94 of what it was like to steer Mars Pathfinder with the transmission delay
you pressed a button and waited 20 minutes to see something happen?

>> No.14634350

>>14634331
there is no shortage of cum. we need to enforce pregnancy on the fertile younger women colonists. they must have a child each birthing year. andif not willingly, they will be restrained and injected with muskian cum. also under constant supervision to ensure the survival and health of the child

>> No.14634352

>>14634346
Nah they scaled it down to two minutes because our attention spans didn't run nearly that long

>> No.14634357

>>14634339
ESL

>> No.14634358

When I was at SpaceX HQ the dude giving the tour said he figured 2050 or so would be a good estimate for the start of the “colonization” phase. I’ll be pushing 50 by then damn.

>> No.14634364

Either a cryo or a WDR today

>> No.14634365

>>14634305
A perfect example of a story ruined by letting its popularity prevent the author from ending it at an appropriate time.

>> No.14634367

>>14634305
She looks like she fucks human men

>> No.14634368

>>14634331
It should be pretty obvious to anyone that day one boots on the ground on Mars on the ground isn't going to qualify as the start of the colony effort, it will be the start of human exploration and the buildup of an industrial base on Mars. This low level industrial base will be what is needed to get a simple inhabited facility operational, and the lessons learned from living on Mars those first few sinodes would be what informs our first stab of effort towards eventual settlement and colony status.
Early early game is getting water and oxygen and methane production operating. Early game is getting a method of manufacturing more solar panels on Mars along with molten oxide electrolysis refineries that spit out aluminum, iron, magnesium, calcium, and silicon. Late early game is in-situ food production (beyond the easy shit like a few trays of lettuce and some cherry tomato plants). Once we have all that stuff figured out, colonization is a matter of balancing resource streams and industrial growth in order to just increase everything over time.

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https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1545126999219286017
>In addition to withstanding extreme cold, heat, hail, sleet, heavy rain, and gale force winds, Starlink is rugged enough to withstand rocket landings. Here’s live video captured on a SpaceX droneship at sea with and without Starlink

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ngl anons, a long term lunar or martian colony will need 1g. The amount of muscle and bone loss of long term low-g will be pretty terrible on colonists, and they would adapt and their suits/everything will feel heavy since they're weak. No idea how this would affect the development of a child, but it certainly cannot be good. Past the exploration phase, it would be necessary to
1) Have the energy capacity for a permanently rotating habitat to simulate 1g
2) Build said habitats
No way around it. It's more expensive than just landing pre built habs but it's not feasible for people to live out their lives deteriorating

>> No.14634381

>>14634378
why would they post this on the same day that they had a launch where the landing stream cut out

>> No.14634384

>>14634380
Source:
I made it up

>> No.14634385

>>14634381
depends if they stated a reason why the stream stopped and that reason isn't starlink

>> No.14634386

>>14634380
>he doesn't know about the gainz trainz

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>>14634380
planetoids will just be used for resources, everyone will live in spinhabs outside a gravity well

>> No.14634388

>>14634380
<1g will be fine for everything except raising a child. For children 1g is absolutely necessary unless you want them to be permanently deformed, effectively given a disability just of being raised in lower gravity.

>> No.14634389

>>14634380
Moon isn't a problem. Just rotate the crew every 6 or 12 months. With a decent rocket, transfer to the Moon should take around three days.

>> No.14634390

>>14634380
Moon has too much gravity for surface spin habitats, it's extremely inconvenient. Building rotating habitats in Lunar orbit (or more accurately at an Earth-Moon lagrange point) is fine though. It's also easy and no problem.

>> No.14634395

>>14634388
>For children 1g is absolutely necessary unless you want them to be permanently deformed
Science fiction.

>> No.14634397

>>14634389
>just rotate a population of 10 billion every 6 to 12 months

>> No.14634399

>>14634384
What is this hopium? I wish we didn't deteriorate in lower gravity but we, and all animalson this earth, adapted from the start with 1g. Resisting this force your entire life is necessary to being healthy. If Starship works out, these are well within capabilities of us. You could not possibly tell me that developing a child in lower gravity will result in a normal kid

>>14634389
PAST the exploration phase. A colony is mostly self sustaining and long duration, there my be a point where your body has dealt with low G long enough that return to earth could kill, maybe heart too weak

>>14634390
With the image I posted, it is possible.

>>14634395
Same as above, you cannot convince anyone but yourself that a child can develop normally in low g like moon or mars.

>> No.14634400

>>14634395
You can't make babies or young children work out. You can't work out every single part of the body in a way that simulates the same stresses as living in 1g. They are guaranteed to grow incorrectly and stating otherwise is simply opting to spit in the face of all logic and reason.

>> No.14634403

>>14634395
next he will post "SOURCE? O WAIT WE HAVEN'T TRIED IT, THEY'LL GROW JUST LIKE ON EARF"

>> No.14634407

>>14634400
Right that argument is believable.
Saying that an adult that does regular weight training can't spend their life living in martian gravity without permanent damage is pure fiction until the research has been done.

>> No.14634409

>>14634399
>With the image I posted, it is possible.
If you're willing to live on a narrow strip of habitat area, similar to living permanently on a train. You can't extend the strip into a dish without having a highly variable spin-gravity level as you move away from the axis, even if your construction is hundreds of meters across. At best you could stack many narrow strips of habitat area vertically and feel like you're living in a very tall and long but still narrow train.

>> No.14634411

>>14634400
You have no data to support your arguments.

>> No.14634413

>>14634403
Humans raised in less than Earth gravity grow taller and more muscular, have better vision and higher IQ, have denser bones and superior sense of balance.

>> No.14634415

>>14634400
I think you're underestimating the evolutionary optimization for growing and staying healthy that children have. There's nothing that suggests <1g is in any way harmful to growing children, even if it does alter them physiologically. Obviously a child would have a hard time going from 1/3g their whole life to 1g, but there's exactly nothing to suggest that a child can't grow up and be fine in martian gravity.

>> No.14634417

>>14634411
And? You have neither data nor reasonable argumentation.

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>>14634413
Behold the superman

>> No.14634420

>>14634303
>but flimsy astronaut ice cream tiles is a retarded idea
Actually I think astronaut icecream would have worked better as a heat shield.

>> No.14634422

>>14634365
last chapter was good though
>ywn build a nest with your dragonfu and fuck in it

>> No.14634424

>>14634403
>>14634411
pottery

>>14634407
https://www.livescience.com/astronauts-bone-loss-space#:~:text=%22This%20suggests%20the%20permanent%20bone,related%20bone%20loss%20on%20Earth.%22&text=The%20researchers%20assessed%20the%20bones,an%20average%20age%20of%2047.

You are choking on hopium. These astronauts did the regular exercise, and still have extensive mineral loss. Perhaps on Mars it wont be as fast, but we were not mean to exist in low gravity, simple as. Rotation habitats are necessary long term. And children cannot develop normally in these settings.

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>>14634378

>> No.14634427

>>14634417
And? I'm the one who wants to conduct the experiment to find out.

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>>14634425
https://api.starlink.com/public-files/SpaceXNavyStarlink-case-study.pdf

>> No.14634432

>>14634409
Yes, it would suffer from being cramped eternally. Only way out is to build larger, but to keep a colony healthy long term? Probably worth it.

>> No.14634433

>>14634420
It would have been cheaper at least
>>14634424
>pottery
Doesn't make me wrong faggot

>> No.14634435

>>14634430
>SpaceX used to pay $165K per month to GEO sats for 25 Mbps up/down for an unreliable piece of shit.
Holy fuck.

>> No.14634436

>>14634424
0g =/= 0.376 g, you massive retard. Stop projecting, you have no evidence.

>> No.14634439

>>14634424
you can't compare micro gravity to low gravity, nor to ISS astronauts who can't exercise properly because the vibrations would ruin the science being done on the station.

>> No.14634440
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If only NASA had done mammalian gestation and infant development research in low g rather than whatever the fuck they wasted money on we'd have some data to chew on rather than /sfg/ autistes motivated reasoning

>> No.14634450

>>14634433
It does. If you believe that a child developing in mars gravity will grow up problem free as compared to your average Earth child, you are wrong. Looking at the effects of microgravity on trained astronauts who eat exactly as they should, you can extrapolate that a fetus would be fucked.

>>14634436
Read my post dumbass, this was already addressed. Long term, humanity needs spin habs

>>14634439
Absolute retard, possibly samefag. Read above :)

>> No.14634451

>>14634424
>study under zero gravity
>extrapolating a straight line between 1g effects and 0g effects
>effects based on the study of 14 late middle aged men and 3 late middle aged women
>average age of participant was 47
Opinion completely and utterly discarded. The most reasonable hypothesis for the shape of the curve when you plot general human health versus gravity strength looks like an upside down bathtub curve with a steeper slope on the greater-than-1G side than on the less-than-1G side. Being in 90% Earth gravity won't mean you have 90% the bone density etc, it will have nearly no effect. Being in 10% Earth gravity will likely mean significant physiological changes, because at that point things like blood viscosity start to become significant for how fluids move through the body. Somewhere between those values there will be a dropoff where, above that gravity level, humans are indistinguishable from Earth born and raised humans, and below that level obvious changes will be apparent.

>> No.14634455

>>14634430
https://www.starlink.com/maritime

They just launched the maritime services as well

>> No.14634456

>>14634450
>Looking at the effects of microgravity on trained astronauts who eat exactly as they should, you can extrapolate that a fetus would be fucked.
no you fucking can't retard

>> No.14634463

>>14634440
why didn't they do it

>> No.14634466

>>14634432
No. If gravity is found to be that much of an issue, the only people living physically on Mars or the Moon will be adults who will only be there to operate the industries that supply resources to the orbiting habitats above their heads. Children would be born and raised on rotating habitats with wide open interior spaces. It's not worth putting spin gravity on the ground when you live on an object with such minimal launch constraints.
Of course this is no barrier to surface colonization of any object with low enough gravity to allow for a vertical living area, such as Ceres, where the gravity of the dwarf planet pulling at 90 degrees to the angle of the spin gravity makes you feel like you're living on a slight slope. That being said, having lower gravity also makes launch from Ceres even easier, so one could imagine living on surface spin habitats while overseeing the construction of more habitats which get launched into orbit wholesale via electromagnetic accelerators or a 1000 km long space elevator.

>> No.14634471

>>14634463
Moral panic, and possibly also to artificially extend their future in funding (if every question takes a decade to answer, and you only have a handful of questions you reasonably need to ask, and your job depends on the ISS having something to do, then it's not in your best interest to say "Hey we can just launch a tether-spin-gravity station and test out the effects of Moon gravity and Mars gravity on humans and pregnant rats any time we want to apply the $250 million in funding it would take")

>> No.14634472

>>14634450
>Looking at the effects of microgravity
We're not talking about microgravity. Microgravity is freefall. Resisting 3.675 m/s^2 gravity is not freefall.

>> No.14634474
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14634474

>>14634463
good fucking question, its the exact sort of experiments you'd think they'd get going once you have a big station in orbit. *possibly* they are scared the results would be pessimistic and cool off peoples appetite for space idk

>> No.14634475

>>14634424
"Just as the body must adapt to spaceflight at the start of a mission, it must also readapt back to Earth's gravity field at the end," Robert Thirsk, a former University of Calgary chancellor and astronaut, said in the statement. "Fatigue, light-headedness, and imbalance were immediate challenges for me on my return. Bones and muscles take the longest to recover following spaceflight. But within a day of landing, I felt comfortable again as an Earthling."

Looks like spaceflight's back on the menu, boys.

>> No.14634482

>>14634474
>*possibly* they are scared the results would be pessimistic and cool off peoples appetite for space idk
Viking showing a pretty dim view for the chances of life on Mars killed Mars exploration for 20 years so it's not an entirely unreasonable mindset to be in from NASA's perspective

>> No.14634483

>>14634482
reagan would've absolutely signed off on a mars mission if anyone could've told him with a straight face that it was doable with their current infrastructure.

>> No.14634490

>>14634483
I mean unmanned missions

>> No.14634491

>>14634490
oh, i think that was more a function of shuttle eating up the entire nasa budget than anything. they didn't launch a single planetary mission from 1978-1989.

>> No.14634492

>>14634491
A dark age. The entire Shuttle program, really.

>> No.14634496

>>14634491
Other than the Mars windows, was there anything even possibly reachable during that time?

>> No.14634499

>>14634496
magellan and galileo were both planned to have launched years earlier but they got pushed back because of shuttle-centaur development hell. there are some old planning documents on NTRS from the '70s that were expecting a saturn orbiter in the '80s too, as well as a mars sample return.

>> No.14634507

wait spacex made their stream way less annoying. none of the usual commenter rambling on.
that was pleasant af

>> No.14634510

>>14634496
Venus, Mercury, Asteroids, Jupiter about 9 times, Saturn about 11 times, Uranus about 11 times, Neptune about 11 times, etc. Basically everything has launch windows that occur more frequently than Mars windows except for near earth asteroids.

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>>14634507
I'm going to miss Jessie

>> No.14634522

>>14634491
They would have launched a few but Challenger RUD'ing in '86 fucked things up for a lot of projects. Magellan, Mars Observer, and Galileo all had to have their rides rescheduled.

>> No.14634525

>>14634520
I NEED to fill that armpit slut's pussy with cum

>> No.14634528
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>>14634525
>armpit slut

>> No.14634529

>>14634525
go back to the uncivilized world

>> No.14634530

All coomers must hang

>>14634492
For the first 10 years of shuttle it was pretty amazing. I think the problem as relying on space plane for too long, and not using shuttle derivatives for more payload to LEO.

>> No.14634537

>>14634530
You mean Shuttle was fueled by hopium right up until the point it became obvious it was a failure, yes?

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>>14634528
iykyk

>> No.14634542
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14634542

the shuttle is an iconic design and symbol of space exploration which is still well known even years after it stopped flying but it was a fucking mistake and everything would be better now if it never left the drawing board

>> No.14634548

>>14634542
It will remain iconic forever but hopefully it will be more of a Hindenburg type of iconic as normies wake up to how spaceflight should be

>> No.14634549
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14634549

>4 pages left
quick, post your FAVORITE dead concept launch vehicle
>Theoretically 4 million lbs payload to LEO

>> No.14634552

>>14634542
it looks so good that somebody needed to try it and fail. if they hadn't done the shuttle in the 1970s then everyone would have still pined over it before nasa finally got the backing to do it in 1995, or 2005, except probably dumber and more expensive

>> No.14634553

http://starlink.com/maritime
Boat starlink
5000$/month

>> No.14634554
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>>14634549
>liquid engines on the SRBs
>bell nozzles on the core
stahp

>> No.14634560

>>14634553
I wonder if they'd yell at you for putting a RV dish on a boat

>> No.14634561
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14634561

>>14633603
Eurobros...

>> No.14634566

>>14634560
you could probably get away with it if you stay close to the shore, but it would probably just stop working if you get far enough into open water

>> No.14634568
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>>14634549
The entire post-Apollo Saturn family.

>> No.14634570
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>>14634542
if only Crippen & Young had done an abort on STS-1
>The same overpressure wave also forced the orbiter body flap – an extension on the orbiter's underbelly that helps to control pitch during reentry – into an angle well beyond the point where cracking or rupture of its hydraulic system would have been expected. Such damage would have made a controlled descent impossible, with John Young later admitting that had the crew known about this, they would have flown the shuttle up to a safe altitude and ejected, causing Columbia to be lost on the first flight. Young had reservations about ejection as a safe abort mode due to the fact that the SRBs were firing throughout the ejection window, but he justified taking this risk because, in his view, an inoperative body flap would have made landing and descent "extremely difficult if not impossible."

>> No.14634576

how much will shipping cost if I buy SpaceX shirts from their site

>> No.14634579
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>>14634549
just in terms of sheer good idea-ness, the 3xRD-180 + 1 J-2S launcher that was supposed to be atlas V's big brother in the access to space study in 1994. could've easily been flying HL-42s to the completed ISS in 2005 but we had to go with venturestar instead.

>> No.14634582

>>14634542
I remember someone on sfg comparing the shuttle to a yandere girlfriend. Beautiful, but very likely to kill you under the right circumstances.

>> No.14634593

got banned from discord for calling SLS out. SLS is an abomination, it has to use cases when Starship comes online

>> No.14634594
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>>14634549
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V-B

>> No.14634596
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14634596

required sfg reading

>> No.14634597

>>14634593
thanks bro lemme know if you have any updates on your opinions

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42EwbQ3afPA

Fresh OSIRIS-REx content by NASA.

>> No.14634614

>>14634594
hear me out on this: extendable nozzle tripropellant F-1

>> No.14634622
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14634622

So what are they doing, another cryo?

>> No.14634623

>>14634608
Picking that landing site was a challenge

IIRC they were having trouble finding an un-bouldered spot wide enough for touchdown and an even more difficult time targeting that spot in a landing ellipse once they picked it

>> No.14634625

>>14634614
>Tripropellant
What in the goddamn?

>> No.14634626

>>14634594
>The rocket could have had a good launch capability similar to that of the Space Shuttle if it was constructed, but it never flew.
lmao. I love obscure wikipedia pages like this that are written in an amateurish way by someone who's clearly an enthusiast. There's something really charming about them

>> No.14634628

>>14634626
wikipedia pages where astronautix is the sole source

>> No.14634638
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>>14634625
>The RD-701 is a tripropellant engine that uses a staged combustion cycle with afterburning of oxidizer-rich hot turbine gas.
>The RD-701 has two modes. Mode 1 uses three components: LOX as an oxidizer and a fuel mixture of RP-1 / LH2 which is used in the lower atmosphere. >Mode 2 also uses LOX, with LH2 as fuel in vacuum where atmospheric influence is negligible.
> The 'RD-701' is a two chamber engine. It can operate in two modes. In the first, it burns both kerosene and hydrogen, granting it greater thrust and impulse density, allowing for smaller, lighter tanks. In the second, it burns only hydrogen, allowing for greater specific impulse. The RD-701 has two preburners per combustion chamber, both of which run oxygen rich. One is used to pump kerosene and oxygen, the other is used to pump hydrogen and oxygen.
>In mode one, both burn kerosene. Liquid hydrogen is combined with kerosene and oxygen rich preburner exhaust in the combustion chamber. In this mode, it produces 4 MN of thrust, with a vacuum specific impulse of 415s, using 73.7 kg/s of kerosene, 29.5 kg/s of hydrogen, and 388.4 kg/s of oxygen.
>In mode two, the preburner used to pump kerosene is shut down, and the other is switched to burning hydrogen. A small amount of kerosene is still used to ensure oxygen is effectively atomised. Gases from the preburner combined with hydrogen in the combustion chamber. In this mode it burns 27.4 kg/s of hydrogen, and 148 kg/s of oxygen. Thrust reduces to 1.6 MN, and specific impulse increases to 460s

>> No.14634639

>>14634626
>The rocket could have had a good launch capability similar to that of the Space Shuttle
you got a source to back that up bro?

>> No.14634645
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>>14634614
the love of a propellant and its oxidiser are a beautiful, sacred thing and threesomes would only ruin it

>> No.14634664

>>14634638
I mean, I can see how that would shrink your tank weight but wouldn't the extra plumbing and hardware to get it to work end up as a wash anyway?

>> No.14634669
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14634669

Stretchy Shuttle-C (far right and to the top) is my favourite non-flown rocket. It’s surprisingly conservative; it doesn’t require a total redesign of the shuttle ET like SLS did. It also reused the exact same engine section as the shuttle. Even better, the engine section was designed to be reusable like ULA’s SMART plan, or it could even deorbit from LEO.
The plan did combine some dev work. The boosters were extended to 5 segments, and the external tank was stretched too. But at least it didn’t require a total redesign like SLS did.
People have stated that even pessimistic estimates show Shuttle-C flying 5 years MAX after a green light. Wish we had this.

>> No.14634676

worst timeline
>Columbia's body flap issues on sts-1 are worse and the orbiter crashes and burns.
>challenger suffers tile damage on sts-2 and disintegrates on re-entry.
>shuttle program is officially cancelled.
>shuttle's planned replacement (some sort of capsule or mini spaceplane) is killed in the early-mid 90's due to pork & congressional faggotry.
>Russian space program dies after fall of soviet union, they simply cant justify the expense.
>Chinese human spaceflight plans wither on the vine, there's less prestige since nobody else is doing it.
>commercial spaceflight happens but nothing impressive, no COTS/CRS means there's no SpaceX equivalent .

>> No.14634677

>>14634305
how the fuck did people so disgustingly degenerate find sfg

>> No.14634682

>>14634676
How about
>Von Braun’s father pulls out

>> No.14634686
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14634686

>>14634676
America would never willingly give up manned spaceflight in that era. NASA would be bullied until it delivered something good in your scenario

>> No.14634692

>>14634645
You could say that's sensible modular autonomous return technology.
>>14634664
NTA but that's not even the worst tripropellant design, most of them were more exotic to maximize Isp like a lithium-hydrogen-fluorine tripropellant engine which got up to 542 seconds.

>> No.14634715

>>14634686
>>14634676
Arguably a better timeline desu. If the shuttle is canned then NASA makes SLS early. So even if it takes a decade to fly we have Artemis 1 in 2002 instead of 2022

>> No.14634732

>>14634339
I agree. Reading IS hard.

>> No.14634738

I completely forgot ESA's new astronaut class is specifically recruiting a dwarf or someone missing their lower legs

I thought those images people posted in here was just one of those meme "easier to get to Mars" proposals

>> No.14634742

>>14634380
>WAAAAAA I WONT BE ABLE TO RETURN TO EARTH WAAAAAAAA
Fuck off and FUCK URF. You bones need only be as strong as necessary for the world you inhabit. If you must, visit the Bezos gainzstation a few times a week. I'm tired of your fucking whining

>> No.14634751

>>14633603
>Europe: 1
not even a country, a whole CONTINENT
jfc

>> No.14634765

>>14634738
>someone missing their lower legs
"I have 1 inch penis, can I be an astronaut?"

>> No.14634780

>>14634541
Oh lawd have mercy on my soul

>> No.14634806

>>14634676
Being interested in space would be equivalent to train watching

>> No.14634820

>>14634499
>>14634522
>>14634542
The worst thing about Shittle is how it became the one basket with all the eggs. We made it to do anything, so we're going to use it for everything!
>>14634530
And they basically never upgraded it. They had some minor upgrades when they made Endeavour and Atlantis that they back-ported to the others, but that's it. It was still the same shitty architecture with the same flaws.

>> No.14634836

>>14634560
>>14634566
It's probably designed to handle sea state. RVs don't slosh from side to side. It might also be a multi-antenna setup. That cruise ship someone showed the picture of had like 10 or more antennas.

>> No.14634838
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14634838

Could a manned mission to Saturn be viable with Starship?

>> No.14634840

>>14634593
> discord
I dont get the apeal tbH, i even joined a matrix mirror of the /hgm/ and it was pretty annoying the constant pinging and the ui design, things like IRC and even telegram more bearable.

>> No.14634844

>>14634838
Nuclear starship maybe. Not methane starship.

>> No.14634850

>>14634838
Not if you want your crew back in less than 20 years. The outer planets with the exception of maybe Jupiter are beyond Starship

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>>14634553
The most interesting thing here is that they're apparently aiming to activate the laser links around year-end.

>> No.14634865

>>14634857
Yeah, the shoreline limitations are due to needing a bounce from a ground station. Weren't they also planning to have marine installations capable of being a limited ground station?

>> No.14634873

>>14634857
surprised Panama isn't there, for all the ships passing through the canal that would find starlink cheaper.

>> No.14634874

>>14634838
Yep. And anyone telling you otherwise is a massive pussy

>> No.14634877

>>14633507
I've had a nagging feeling it'll happen this year. They've quietly really kicked their second stage production into high gear too, which may be even more of a concern.

>>14633970
>Hopefully this month.
Not a chance. They've done zero static fires of that first stage yet, and they're not exactly rushing to do one. I'll side with Berger and say it launches this fall.

>> No.14634881
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What is the purpose of the X-37B?

>> No.14634884

>>14634881
R&D platform

>> No.14634886

>>14634881
to prove the versatility of space planes

>> No.14634888

>>14634881
Jobs in numerous congressional districts; money for Boeing.

>> No.14634890

>>14634881
Long duration testing of satellite equipment. Back before the shuttle retired the NRO or whoever could just get a shuttle mission to launch and retrieve a testing payload, but after 2011 the only place to do that sort of work and get the gear back at the end of it was on the ISS, and everything that happens on the ISS is public and international. This lets them test things in private.

>> No.14634896

>>14634850
>>14634838
Yes, you could do it in steps. Set up an outpost on Mars, then travel to Ceres from there. Set up an outpost on Ceres, then travel to Jupiter from there. Etc etc.

>> No.14634897

>>14634881
LEO research that the military doesn't want on the ISS

>> No.14634903
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14634903

Whats your estimate of when the first true interplanetary orbit to orbit spaceships will be built /sfg/?

>> No.14634908

>>14634378
Boats without Starlink are easier on Falcon legs, got it

>> No.14634909

>>14634903
2040s, maybe the 2030’s of the NTR and NEP stuff gets funding.

>> No.14634915

>>14634903
2100-ish, maybe as soon as 2070-ish if a sizeable Mars outpost actually happens that soon.

>> No.14634923

>>14634881
How many impacts from rogs has it had i wonder?

>> No.14634933

>>14634915
You're extremely pessimistic if you think there won't even be a large colony on mars by the 2070s.

>> No.14634947

Can anyone tell me a way to find out the current or previous CO2 levels on the ISS?
I remember reading about them having headaches from it being too high and i am wondering if NASA is still doing that too them

>> No.14634953

>>14634933
You're extremely optimistic if you think there will be a large colony on Mars by the 2070s. Large meaning multiple thousands or tens of thousands that would require dedicated interplanetary ships, because before that I assume you'd just use modified Starships, which wouldn't be "true interplanetary orbit to orbit spaceships".

>> No.14634955

>>14634838
Bet we will in 2030. It will have to be either launched from Mars fully fueled or powered by ntr/mpd

>> No.14634957

>>14634838
Depends.
Vanilla Starship? Very probably not.
Flotilla Starship? Maybe, depending on how many Starships you can join together in transit immediately after the departure burn, and if you can spin that structure for artificial gravity along the way.
Just using Starship to launch components and materials to build a large fuckoff interplanetary vessel in Earth orbit? Sure we could.

>> No.14634961

>>14634896
That takes more time and more delta V than just doing your standard "Earth escape onto Jupiter encounter assist that slingshots you to Saturn" thing.

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14634962

>>14634903
2007

>> No.14634965

>>14634957
Has anybody seriously debunked the two-starships-tied-with-cable centrifugal gravity plan? It unironically seems like the best way to go about it.

>> No.14634969

>>14634953
It's less that they will "need" those vehicles and more that it won't be that difficult for those people to access orbit and build shit in space, considering the much lower delta V and heat shield requirements, plus the fact that they have Phobos in a nice low orbit to mine silicates and metal oxides from. When you're already mining Phobos and developing orbital industry around Mars, you may as well build babbie's first orbit-to-orbit freighter to do transport between Phobos and Deimos, and later between Mars and NMOs.

>> No.14634970

>>14634962
robots weren't what I meant silly

>> No.14634973

>>14634965
Nope. Some people argue "it's unstable" because a cable isn't rigid, as if a 1 km long two meter wide truss structure could be called rigid and as if a weight hanging under a cable is somehow unstable to begin with. Other people argue that if they are spinning they can't keep the ass end of the Starship pointed at the Sun, which isn't an issue anyway because solar charged particle radiation follows magnetic field lines and don't just stream away from the Sun like a light ray.
So basically it will 100% work and they just need to pack their solar storm shelter to look like a hollow sphere, done.

>> No.14634975

>>14634970
SHE WAS REAL TO ME, DAMMIT

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>>14634387
>just some anarcho-leftist nature hippie fantasy instead of the awesome cityscape you see in axelay stage 2
You need to fix your optics bro
>>14633967
No doubt.

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14634996

>>14634985
>anarcho-leftist nature hippie fantasy

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>>14633979
Or alternatively, them screaming "THE BIG GETE STAR ENABLED ME TO CHEAT DEATH" while RUDing can bust a few guts.
>tfw never finished my meme comparing the SLS wet dress rehearsal vs the average starship launch

>> No.14635004

>>14634973
Hear me out
No radiation protection

>> No.14635006

>>14634999
I am now legally obligated to draw the becky SLS girl with maybe a wet spot to jab at SLS leaking from the orange tank and put captions over my meme.

>> No.14635007
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>> No.14635009

>>14634387
I would raid this and pave over every inch

>> No.14635015

>>14635007
>Bigelow doesn't exist anymore
>They still take care of the BEAM on the ISS

>> No.14635017

>>14635004
Is that a criticism or a recommendation

>> No.14635019
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14635019

>>14635009
Hell yeah nigga
>https://youtu.be/zGpwOtPps8A

>> No.14635022

>>14635009
Based and dyson swarm griefer pilled

>> No.14635026
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14635026

>>14635019
Shmups are a niche that must be protected.

>> No.14635027

>>14635017
Both?
Chances are low for it being a problem. Just send another crew if it happens

>> No.14635042

>>14634909
>>14634955
NTP is only remotely good for cislunar space. Chemical propulsion is king for conjunction Mars transfers, SEP beats NEP to the main asteroid belt and Jupiter unless scaled up to the MW level where square kilometers of solar panels is untenable. Past that even the most retarded NEP design beats NTP since throosting for years isn't a concern and high Isp becomes the predominate factor.

>> No.14635043
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>> No.14635062

>>14635027
Now you're thinking like a CCP member

>> No.14635069

>>14635042
>NTP is only remotely good for cislunar space.
It's good for scooting between any gas giant moon system, especially if you can get it to work with water propellant. Water in an NTP gets you hypergolic chemical rocket levels of Isp, which is totally fine for those low delta V worlds, but importantly it means your propellant IRSU energy needs are tiny and getting enough propellant to fill up your vehicle takes hours instead of months with a given power supply. More propellant faster means way higher launch frequency which means over a given span of time you get hundreds of times more payload up to orbit and back down if you're into that sort of thing.

>> No.14635076

>>14635043
that looks a lot like an F-15

>> No.14635078
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https://youtu.be/3xCztqJApso
Guys, WATCH THIS! offnom EPISODE 69 (THE SEX NUMBER) With guest star Barnaby and TIM DODD (THAT'S RIGHT)

TODD Might be kind enought to tell us all about Elon Interview: PART 4. Maybe?

Chevk it out!!

>> No.14635086
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>> No.14635103

>>14635086
Wacky design to have such small drop tanks. Seems like it would offer better performance to remove that middle in-line tank, have the truss section be twice as long, and put two more drop tanks on the truss. Actually if you are using the 4 sided star truss you could have 8 drop tanks total.

>> No.14635107

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbC0sYF2w2U
>DEBUNKING MUSK - TED Talk 2022 Finale
ITS OVER

>> No.14635110

>>14635107
>TED
>2022

>> No.14635116

>>14635107
...does he not know what a ted talk is?

>> No.14635123

>>14635086
Now post the opposition transfer version, pussy, you won't.

>> No.14635124
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>>14634676
>no COTS/CRS means there's no SpaceX equivalent
Why do people keep pushing the "NASA saved Spacex" BS? they only offered spacex the contract after spacex was in the clear after their successful 4th flight
They even had a successful 5th flight, and probably would have kept running falcon 1, or an upgraded falcon 1e version as the initially planned until they had enough money to develop falcon 9
Even in this alternate reality, there's nothing stopping Tesla from becoming the juggernaut that it is today, so alternate universe Elon would still be funing SpaceX as the richest man in the world

>> No.14635129

Static fire is soon!!!! Omg I'm excited, aren't you guys? And launch this year for sure if testing goes well!

>> No.14635132

Also best part about this launch is there's no deluge system! Can't fucking wait for those dumb boomers homes to get leveled by the shockwave

>> No.14635183

>>14635124
No NASA contracts may not mean doom for SpaceX, but it'd mean severely hampered operations. Also Tesla only starts being worth significant amounts in the mid-2010s.

>>14635132
Shockwave created by the rocket destroying itself from its undampened liftoff vibrations due to no deluge system, that is!

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When are we going back? When will the next footprints be made on the Moon? Any guesses?

>> No.14635192

>>14635190
Two years two months, two weeks

>> No.14635199

>testing is still happening
when does it end today?

>> No.14635202

>>14635199
it ends either when starship flies or when spacex gets nationalized

>> No.14635205

>>14635202
i used to rely on the cameron county website but spacex hardly adheres to those timelines

>> No.14635206

>>14632399
/sfg is the only place I frequent. Sometimes /k can be a good time, but most of the time it's just people having the same arguments over and over again, so I don't go there very often anymore.

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>>14635192
funny

>> No.14635227
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>>14635190
> Apollo ended 50 years ago this December

>> No.14635236

>>14632399
>/his/
>/tv/
>/biz/
>/lit/
>/sci/
>/sp/ in the fall
>/pol/ during happenings and elections

>> No.14635240

>>14635227
it's ok we are going back

>> No.14635242

>>14635206
>but most of the time it's just people having the same arguments over and over again,
Where do you think you are?

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>>14634549
I'm torn between Uragan and the phase B Rockwell STS proposal.

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>>14635240
maybe

>> No.14635255

>missions to the moon
>names them Apollo, who was a god of the sun and sunlight
What the fuck was NASA thinking? This is the true reason the Apollo program failed.

>> No.14635257

>>14635255
The guy who named it said it was about the trajectories they took to get there, that they resembled the arc the chariot of Apollo takes across the heavens

The Sun aspect didn't even factor into it

>> No.14635258

>>14635255
apollo is probably the one thing that can least be described as a failure

>> No.14635259

CALLING TIM DODD PAYPIGGIE
POST THE LINK!

>> No.14635261

>>14634953
> Large meaning multiple thousands or tens of thousands that would require dedicated interplanetary ships
There is no reason that is true. Too many retarded autists like you on this thread get some stupid idea and then spread it as gospel truth. There is no reason SpaceX couldn't just launch a thousand starships instead of using some giant spacecraft in orbit.

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>>14635259
EES EET ÖP?

>> No.14635266

why is the angry astronaut so angry and also not an astronaut?

>> No.14635279

>>14635132
Deluge systems are a scam and not necessary.

>> No.14635282

>>14635266
Bill Nelson asked him this and he refused to answer.

>> No.14635286

>>14635266
He got his start making rant videos about how Boeing and Blue Origin were bad and now it's a gimmick that he can't escape from. He doesn't have any real content or insight and his audience keeps coming back just to see haha funnie youtube yell at oldspace. He's the space youtube equivalent of the guys who'd make 30 min videos every week about how the latest episode of CW Superheroes is the worse thing in the universe.

>> No.14635288

>>14635279
Hell yeah we're going to use the acoustic waves as secondary propulsion

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>>14632399
/co/

>> No.14635297

>Giant sunspot rotating onto the side of the sun facing earth

CARRINGTON EVENT PLEASE

>> No.14635303

>>14632299
>animation keeps getting better and better
>across a diverse number of artists
>the only thing left to match is reality
Waiting is the worst.

>> No.14635304

>>14635297
>Giant
is it bigger than earth?

>> No.14635306

>>14635304
Twice as big

>> No.14635308

>>14635306
aw shit son

>> No.14635322

>>14634677
Dragons aren't degenerate, anon

>> No.14635326

>>14635322
Dragons are for slaying, not fapping.

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>>ywn build a nest with your dragonfu and fuck in it
>Dragons aren't degenerate

>> No.14635340

>>14635326
This thinking is why we ran out of dragons anon

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how long until we get the pics?
it's been 30 000 years

>> No.14635356

>>14635331
That's wholesome and romantic though, which is the opposite of degenerate

>> No.14635362

>>14634380
>You WILL live in the Martian hamster wheel

>> No.14635364

>>14635351
if you peer far enough into the deep field the galaxies just spell out "space is fake lol"

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>>14635107
>1 hour

>> No.14635368

>>14635367
pristine domes always looked kinda gay to me anyhow

>> No.14635382

>>14635261
Good reading comprehension Anon, that's precisely my point.

>> No.14635389

>>14635261
>There is no reason SpaceX couldn't just launch a thousand starships instead of using some giant spacecraft in orbit.
Yes there is. The FAA exists.

>> No.14635399
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IN THE PROVINCE OF JAPAN, THE FORMER MINISTER PRIMUS SHINZO ABE WAS BRUTALLY SHOT IN THE BACK WHILE SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF NARA. A SUSPECT IS IN CUSTODY AND WILL BE CRUCIFIED UPON DETERMINATION OF GUILT, IN THE TRADITIONAL MANNER. JAXA LAUNCH SCHEDULES ARE NOT IMPACTED AT THIS TIME.

THIS NEWS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE IMPERIAL LEGIONS STATIONED IN JAPAN. TRUE NUCLEAR WEAPONS, FOR TRUE CHINESE TARGETS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0lYkdA-Gtw

>> No.14635403

>>14635389
If we're at a point where giant in-orbit spacecraft and thousands of starships are possible, then the FAA will have no issue giving the necessary approvals. They do administer airspace, too, and thousands of flights is nothing there.

>> No.14635404

>>14635399
wtf it's real

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>>14635404
I added the NHK link for a reason.

>> No.14635409

>>14635399
Confirmed. Shinzo Abe was supposed to ride on top of Starship Booster 7 in the Ship 24. Supposedly he was to become the package that will be delivered secretly by SpaceX into orbit.

Space related news

>> No.14635411

>>14635407
>>14635399
he's dead jim

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>>14635399
>He was a CONSUL OF JAPAN!

>> No.14635417

>>14635399
Damn wtf that sucks

>> No.14635419

>>14635409
Abe was PM when Soichi was selected for Crew-1 and the Artemis Accords were drafted. He was also in office for Akatsuki entering Venus orbit in 2015. He is in fact spaceflight related.

>> No.14635422

>Still no Japanese SpaceX
damn

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>>14635399
>its real

>> No.14635427

>>14635261
>launch 50 starships
>weld them together
>drop the engines back to Earth
>slap on some non-chemical engine
convince me that saving the weight of all those raptors when you only need less than a full starship's worth on the other side isn't worth the cost of construction.

>> No.14635430

>>14635399
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED
SHINZO NOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.14635436
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I don't care

>> No.14635437

>/jp/ anon forced to either have kids or be homeless
>becomes terrorist instead
Many such cases

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>>14635399
>shot
>with a gun
>in japan
a cop or one of his guards? organized crime?
otherwise this seems extremely implausible.

>> No.14635442

>>14635439
makeshift gun, guy looked like a schizo

>> No.14635443

>>14635439
It appears to be a rogue cop at this time.

>> No.14635445

>>14635423
pidgin is the most racist thing ive ever read about. and i consider being one myself.

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will there be yakuza on the moon?

>> No.14635446

>>14635423
>OwO

>> No.14635448

>>14635439
It looks like it was an improvised, slamfire pipegun.

https://nitter.net/IntelCrab/status/1545255593367277569

>> No.14635450

>>14635445
its not pidgin

>> No.14635451

>>14635439
>>shot
>>with a gun
>>in japan
retarded ameritard? you can get a gun in any country

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>>14635450
it's mocking the bbc pidgin twitter account

>> No.14635456

In response to this, Japan should build a reusable super heavy launch vehicle, the fuck are they waiting for

>> No.14635463

>>14635455
Why do cameramen always drop their phone when something happens?

>> No.14635464
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>>14635448
I like Abe but I have to admit that an assassination attempt with a home-improvised firearm is pretty based

>> No.14635465

>>14635451
There are fewer privately owned guns in the whole of Japan than in an average American town.

>> No.14635470

>>14635465
>privately owned guns
bro it's literally like buying cocaine in pretty much every single country.
you need to stop watching anime or whatever

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>> No.14635475

>>14635470
>In 2014, Japan saw six gun deaths.
Most criminals don't use guns in japan.

>> No.14635476

>>14635470
also
>anime
has tons of guns, so this seems like projection. you think japan has lots of guns because you watch anime.

>> No.14635487

>Nooooooo not the heckin' Jap presidenterinos !
Unless an anime girl materializes in front of me and sucks my dick, you can all fuck off and kill yourself.

>> No.14635491

>>14635487
But think of the impact this will have on spaceflight.

>> No.14635492

>>14635475
>>14635476
>being this sheltered
i'm not saying that guns are commonly fired in japan, what i'm saying is that it's really not hard to acquire one

>> No.14635502

>>14635492
>Other than the police and the military, no one in Japan may purchase a handgun or a rifle.
Where are you acquiring your guns anon? Go on, tell us.

>> No.14635503

>>14635491
JAXA was already dead when it started funding shitty i heckin luv science telescopes instead of cutting edge spaceflight technology demonstration missions.

>> No.14635506

>>14635502
ask for one and purchase it legally

>> No.14635509

>>14635503
>Shit talking RIKEN
They were literally throwing money at anyone who wanted to work there

>> No.14635515

>>14635509
I'm shit talking LiteBIRD which won over OKEANOS

>> No.14635516

>>14635502
>speak japanese
>know like 20 people in reasonably large city
>now you most definitely know someone who knows someone who knows who to get a gun from
>get introduced
>buy gun
>profit
where are you from anon?

>> No.14635592

Static fire?

>> No.14635596

>>14635592
2 weeks

>> No.14635599

>>14633696
>Falcon could just have easily launched JWST
It couldn't, JWST was too tall, and F9 didn't have the capability it has today. Second is the DeltaV required for an L2 burn, which F9 could reach only when expended, but that is with a regular fairing. An expended fairing would change that.

>> No.14635617

>>14635599
then add strap ons idk

>> No.14635618

mfw the fucking ending of the new episode

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.14635626

>>14635516
Nice try alphabet boi.

>> No.14635632

>>14632399
/a/, /int/, /vst/

>> No.14635639

>>14635618
Return

>> No.14635644

>>14635618
what happen?

>> No.14635652

>>14635644
Turns out by being first the Not-SpaceX guys arrived in orbit just before a dust storm cleared, and by being last NASA got there just in time for it to dissipate and land (and they landed direct, fucking baller move)

>> No.14635663

>>14635618
>NASA got ahead of everyone
>they go back and rescue Russians
>still has enough fuel to go back to Mars and reach it within a day of NotSpaceX

>command of NotSpaceX steals control of the ship
>they don't communicate with the NotSpaceX headquarters because NotSpaceX is le BAD

>> No.14635672

Page 10, staging...
>>14635670
>>14635670
>>14635670
>>14635670

>> No.14635679

>>14635672
LAUNCH ABORTED BY RANGE SAFETY OFFICER

>> No.14635683

>>14635672
alright then
>>14635682
>>14635682
>>14635682
>>14635682

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>>14635679
OH NO-

>> No.14636000

>>14632399
>there are at least 3 bronies and 2 furfags in /sfg/ at any given moment

>> No.14636061

>>14634568
>side on boosters
disaster

>> No.14636062

>>14635684
did the payload make it