/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.14523975]

FAA WHEN?!?! Edition

previous thread: >>14518915

[Anonymous No.14524011]

Gas the leftists, space war now.

[Anonymous No.14524016]

With the time of government led space going down the drain and private industries on the verge of leading the way towards future of humanity and space exploration, how will the future of humanity be shaped?

[Anonymous No.14524027]

Usain Bolt's top running speed exceeds the escape velocity of Phobos. Can he run himself off the planet?

[Anonymous No.14524045]

>>14524027
probably but it'd take hours between steps

[Anonymous No.14524063]

>>14524011
Finally, a space policy I don't have any reservations around fully supporting

[Anonymous No.14524065]

>>14524045
Start at the bottom of a crater and kick off the ground as it slops up to reach you.

[Anonymous No.14524069]

>>14524016
>how will the future of humanity be shaped?
On gainstations

[Anonymous No.14524068]

>>14524016
McDonald’s on every planet and moon in our solar system, major Lagrange points and asteroids too

[Anonymous No.14524078]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSNkuqD_ZbQ

>Why Starship Could Transform Astronomy

[Anonymous No.14524080]

Just finished watching Everydayastronauts interview.
What happened there at the end? Elon mentions his kids and it cuts to him walking away sarcastically saying I hope that was a good interview with Eda being more awkward than usual

[Anonymous No.14524082]

>>14523975
Sorry musktards.
Your leader committed political suicide.
Maybe next year.

[Anonymous No.14524084]

>>14524011
>Gas the leftists
but he was also a big leftist

[Anonymous No.14524086]

>>14523975
Finally a good OP picture

[Anonymous No.14524088]

>>14524016
Invest in tesla

[Anonymous No.14524091]

>>14524084
Incorrect

[Anonymous No.14524092]

>>14524078
>SLS system
is he trolling or just kinda retarded?

[Anonymous No.14524096]

>>14524080
Elon started going on about the prophecy of the seventh son of a seventh son, detailing how his grandson would become the emperor of the Sol System and under his leadership, humanity would flourish, expanding across the universe.
For obvious reasons they cut that part out and were a bit rattled.

[Anonymous No.14524097]

Neuralink will give us the option to automatically and asynchronously release chemical stimulation that emulates the feelings of: Caffeine high, Meth motivation, Cooming, and Cocaine alertedness.
It will also give us immediate access to all archived information.
Yep, that’s a future I’m excited about, all while being on Mars.

[Anonymous No.14524102]

>>14524097
That's a bad idea and imma opt out, Enjoy your experience machine.

[Anonymous No.14524103]

>>14524097
not spaceflight related

[Anonymous No.14524104]

>>14524097
Sounds addictive.

[Anonymous No.14524109]

>>14524097
NOOOOO I LOVE BEING DEPRESSED ALL THE TIME AND SPENDING MY LIFE WAGEKEKING BECAUSE IM TOO RETARDED FOR ANYTHING ELSE

[Anonymous No.14524110]

>>14524097
neuralink might end up being very necessary to a colony on Mars. Being that Mars is so insanely outside what current people live with. Barely any sun, no animals, no fresh air, only a small amount of space per person. Space madness could very well be something to worry about, and instead of taking drugs directed neuralink might be safer and more effective.

[Anonymous No.14524112]

>>14524102
You don’t get it, it’s to make me more productive as a wageslave in the hell world of Mars colonization. Notice that I didn’t mention psychedelics because they are evil. What better way to spend your days shoveling perchlorate sand than to be as productive as possible?

[Anonymous No.14524113]

>>14524097
Imagine being able to release dopamine after learning a new thing. You get high on learning new things.

Then you get high on working endlessly. A perfect happy slave labor.

[Anonymous No.14524117]

>>14524112
>psychedelics because they are evil
>spend your days shoveling perchlorate sand
I don't want to post an annoyed pepe image this early in the thread but this is a serious contender.

[Anonymous No.14524139]

>>14524078
Starship will transform astronomy by getting the infrastructure in space to move asteroids toward astronomers. There will be some spectacular but very brief opportunities for naked eye astronomy.

[Anonymous No.14524145]

>>14524139
Too bad there aren't any black holes nearby that black hole researchers can be given an up close tour.

[Anonymous No.14524149]

>>14524145
Diversity hires tho

[Anonymous No.14524161]

>>14524112
Buddy the happiest I've ever been at work is when I needed to dig with a shovel for 12 hours straight. Fuck your crutches, just enjoy work a priori.

[Anonymous No.14524163]

>>14524016
A brief but intense period of space infrastructure and industry development, then the demigod war, then a bit of a rough time for the surviving humans as they get re-oriented, then the golden age of mankind

[Anonymous No.14524186]

>>14524163
>golden age
In the grim darkness of the future, there is only war.

[Anonymous No.14524193]

>>14524186
Yes, and it will be awesome

[Anonymous No.14524198]

>>14524193
You will not be permitted to ascend
I'm ever more doubting the necessity of me even lifting a finger to stop you

[Anonymous No.14524200]

>>14524193
“War is based- “ - Sun Tzu

[Anonymous No.14524202]

>>14524198
I don't care if I live to see it, retard. I only care that it's inevitable

[Anonymous No.14524226]

What are my odds of getting a SpaceX job as a dishwasher or busboy or some shit?

They have openings but I don't know if you need a master's in water propulsion engineering to scrub Elon's shit off a plate

[Anonymous No.14524236]

>>14524226
the chances are 100% if you do the following:
1) put on spray tan, a sombrero, and raggedy clothes to look Mexican
2) practice your Spanish
3) have other trade skills as a reserve
4) speak to the hiring office responsible for starbase 1, or when starbase 2 needs cooks and scrubbers to prepare food for construction wagies.
5) be ready to accept when musk asks you to suck his penis for a horse

[Anonymous No.14524266]

>>14524193
The first Earth/Mars ground war will be interesting. Martians and martian hardware, on average will likely be ~2x more agile in theater across all spectrum of warfare except space. 1% atmosphere and 38% Earth's gravity would mean that outside of Earth achieving space/orbital superiority, any ground forces will get their asses kicked. Conversely, any captured PoWs of Earth forces will likely need 1-2 extra infantry to deal with the mass and musculature differences of Earth soldiers. So there's be considerable strengths and weaknesses to both forces engaged in combat. I also imagine that bombardment from orbit will likely be considered a war crime when aimed at domed cities, as any single puncture would kill hundreds of thousands or even millions of innocents unrelated to the conflict, unless you're Russia; in which case, that's a Tuesday. I hope Russia implodes so badly that it can never leave the Earth sphere. The Chinese might suck, but at least they can properly compete in the space and BEV sectors, ensuring that there will always be a back and forth between East/West in driving forward innovation beyond Earth sphere.

[Anonymous No.14524268]

>>14524198
Talking to the wrong anon

[Anonymous No.14524271]

>>14524226
Zero if you don't bother to apply and ask a bunch of randos on the internet whether you should have the conviction to change your destiny. I bet you're a hit with the ladies.

[Anonymous No.14524282]

>>14524271
>bunch of randos
>I bet you're a hit with the ladies
Ah, alternating your personality to sound like a 13 year old from the 2000s and a 60 year old boomer, this must be what it takes to have sex.

[Anonymous No.14524318]

>>14524282
>t. 13 year old

[Anonymous No.14524328]

>>14524318
>I know you are but what am I
Idk my bff jill. Let me give you some dating advice, kid, you see a girl that takes your fancy, you walk up to her, look her straight in the eyes and give her a firm handshake. That's how I met my wife.

[Anonymous No.14524352]

>>14524271
Hard to change your destiny when you have to apply to 300 jobs just to get a call back from the one you didn't even really want.

[Anonymous No.14524354]

>>14524352
>>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.14524361]

>>14524110
>instead of taking drugs
Nah just give me a whole lot of weed and an xbox, twill be fine.

[Anonymous No.14524404]

>>14524361
see >>14524318

[Anonymous No.14524549]

>>14524011

[Anonymous No.14524563]

>>14524549

[Anonymous No.14524576]

>>14523975
>penis dynamics

[Anonymous No.14524630]

When will we see the first static fire with Raptor 2?

[Anonymous No.14524632]

>>14524630
CUTE CUTE CUTE

[Anonymous No.14524642]

>>14524110
>>Can-D but its implanted in your brain.

Philip K Dick has an entire book about this.

[Anonymous No.14524654]

>>14524642
He has several books about computers that change memories, mood, perceptions of reality, etc

[Anonymous No.14524665]

>>14524630
Already happened on vertical test stands in McGregor. If you mean on booster or ship, it will likely happen when we see more FAA approval.

[Anonymous No.14524667]

>>14524665
Why would they need the FAA approval? Ship 20 performed a few static fires.

[Anonymous No.14524789]

hello?

[Anonymous No.14524796]

>tech support is almost non-existent for starlink customers
>it can take weeks or months for tech support to respond to you after you contact them
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.14524802]

>>14523975
>FAA WHEN?!?! Edition
tuesday, probably

[Anonymous No.14524804]

>>14524796
Musk thought he could get away with simple install and stuff.

But obviously people need more help than that, as 95% of the world can't tell the difference between the internet and the internet explorer.

[Anonymous No.14524850]

>nothing is happening today
what's the most kino mars photo?

[Anonymous No.14524854]

[Anonymous No.14524859]

not the atmospheric layers which arent image artifacts

[Anonymous No.14524861]

[Anonymous No.14524868]

>>14524859
still some disgusting banding

[Anonymous No.14524884]

>>14524850
One of my recent favorites. Our planet Mars is so beautiful when the sun is low. Ofc there is a high res version but I cant find it.

[Anonymous No.14524885]

https://esghound.substack.com/p/elons-last-stand?utm_source=twitter&sd=fs&s=w

[Anonymous No.14524893]

>>14524854
>that hazmat suit
the virgin BOING!

[Anonymous No.14524894]

>>14524868
should have downlinked the raw image

[Anonymous No.14524915]

>>14524894
comparison with Cassini antenna

[Anonymous No.14524927]

>>14524915
comparison with Psyche antenna (covered with foil)

[Anonymous No.14524928]

>>14524894
>"clean" room
>has earthers in it
I don't think so

[Anonymous No.14524930]

How do you make the clean room clean?

[Anonymous No.14524931]

>>14524927
comparison with JUICE antenna (also covered with foil)

[Anonymous No.14524936]

>>14524931
comparison with Galileo antenna which failed to deploy properly

[Anonymous No.14524937]

>>14524080
I heard he pull out a gun at some point and they had to cut it out.

[Anonymous No.14524939]

>>14524097
how about... infinite pain but you can't stop it?

[Anonymous No.14524943]

>>14524939
You should read neuropath.

[Anonymous No.14524944]

>>14524936
comparison with Perseverance antenna

[Anonymous No.14524954]

>>14524894
Banding is because of 8-bit grayvalue, I'm pretty sure these sensors are still pretty common, though these days many can do 12bit.

[Anonymous No.14524961]

>>14524789
*hullo

[Anonymous No.14524972]

>>14524885
> Nearly a quarter-million views on my SpaceX posts later, I’m pleased to note that the natural gas facility I focused on has been completely removed from SpaceX’s plans. But all signs point toward the FAA granting partial approval to perform the test launches in the coming weeks.

[Anonymous No.14524975]

>>14524972
Oh no!
Anyways...

[Anonymous No.14524976]

>>14524972
As with all the contrarians, all they care about is affirmation of their own delusion. A chance to become a 5 minute fame through a parasitic relation with someone famous

[Anonymous No.14524981]

>>14524954
LORRI and RALPH are 12 bits.

[Anonymous No.14524983]

>>14524944
comparison with Ingenuity's antenna

[Anonymous No.14524993]

When is this shit happening? FAA FUCKING DO SOMETHING!!!!

[Anonymous No.14525008]

>>14524885
Jesus Christ this is masturbatory even by substack standards.
He still never actually proved the existence of a power plant or pipeline proposal, btw.

[Anonymous No.14525011]

>>14525008
lol, what were you expecting from egs grifters?

[Anonymous No.14525016]

>>14525011
His explanation for it has always been
>there must be one because there must be one.
While making it very obvious he only has a lose idea of how methalox is made

[Anonymous No.14525017]

>>14524110
>so insanely outside what current people live with. Barely any sun, no animals, no fresh air, only a small amount of space per person
t. never lived in a city

[Anonymous No.14525019]

>>14523975
>FAA WHEN
FAA is more risk averse than NASA and even slower.
I wouldn't say the FAA is evil, they're just inefficient and cowardly.

[Anonymous No.14525022]

>>14525019
though them having extreme political incentive to drag their feet doesn't help

[Anonymous No.14525027]

>>14525019
Reminder that two seperate FAA admins had to be sacked because they were convinced 5G would cause 747s to explode - this year.

[Anonymous No.14525037]

>>14524993
>"How many Starships does the FAA have?"
-Elon, probably, after they delay yet again

[Anonymous No.14525049]

>>14525022
they don't

[Anonymous No.14525052]

>>14525027
5G is just zog mind control with shitty range, not a mechanical weapon.

[Anonymous No.14525063]

>>14524993
berger said monday or tuesday

[Anonymous No.14525070]

The FAA (and other agencies) are delaying Starship as much as possible for political and ideological reasons.
Yes, it does happen. I have an uncle who works with construction permits and I’ve seen he do it.

[Anonymous No.14525074]

>>14525070
Oh that’s not he gif fuck.
To clarify, this is not a sarcastic comment.

[Anonymous No.14525075]

>god tier
Mythological names: Apollo, Artemis
>good tier
Political names: Long March
>meh tier
Animal names: Falcon
Descriptive names: Starship
>shit tier
Whatever this naming convention is: Space Launch System

[Anonymous No.14525077]

>>14525075
SLS is a descriptive name, even more so than starship.
Starship is a cool sci-fi name.

[Anonymous No.14525090]

>>14525075
>sewage tier
physics names: electron, neutron

[Anonymous No.14525094]

>>14524884
>Our planet Mars
Based and psychic warrior pilled. Mars IS our planet.

[Anonymous No.14525100]

>>14525017
This for real. Living on Mars will resemble living in any modern city far more than these people would care to admit.

[Anonymous No.14525105]

>>14525077
It's dumb because it's a rocket, not a system. And if you're including Orion or Gateway, then what's the name of just the rocket? The SL?

[Anonymous No.14525110]

>>14524027
Zeno says no.
Before he can get there, he must get halfway there. Before he can get halfway there, he must get a quarter of the way there. and so on.

[Anonymous No.14525120]

>>14524110
> Barely any sun, no animals, no fresh air, only a small amount of space per person
thats the life experience of most posters itt.
if they were taken to mars, they wouldn't notice any difference. as long as their phones or laptops still work.

[Anonymous No.14525125]

>>14525110
Zeno is a great example of how ancient philosophy was retarded.

[Anonymous No.14525126]

>>14524884
in the future, find any res then use tineye

[Anonymous No.14525130]

>>14525120
>Barely any sun, no animals, no fresh air, only a small amount of space per person
actually I am an outdoors person hence I want planted tunnels on Mars

[Anonymous No.14525131]

>>14525126
my normie self tried using google reverse image search

[Anonymous No.14525136]

>>14525120
Not true. They'd demand /sci/ add planet flags in order to more efficiently bully earthers.

[Anonymous No.14525141]

>>14525125
but the modern set theory is also retarded. ZFC/axiom of choice and all that.

[Anonymous No.14525147]

>>14525074
I've seen it too so I know its not

[Anonymous No.14525153]

i am from the future. here is what the first mars colony looks like.

[Anonymous No.14525155]

>>14525075
Animal names should be good tier. Everything else I agree with.

[Anonymous No.14525157]

>>14525153
we build underground on this planet

[Anonymous No.14525166]

>>14525153
The American southwest is truly the ugliest place on the planet. Terrible landscape. Terrible architecture and urban design. Terrible weather. Just miles and miles of suburban track housing in the middle of the hot, dry, dust filled desert. I would rather live in a Brazilian favela.

[Anonymous No.14525168]

>>14525166
will we have favelas on mars?

[Anonymous No.14525171]

>>14525141
>but the modern set theory is also retarded
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.14525182]

>>14525153
so garbage, got it

[Anonymous No.14525200]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9YdnzOf4NQ

We are never going to Mars, retards.

[Anonymous No.14525204]

>>14524796
don't you know about tesla? tech support is not something musk pays attention to
i guess his autism tells him it'd be more effective to just solve whatever issues through software and hardware revisions

[Anonymous No.14525209]

>>14524972
he concedes defeat. kinda sad honestly, feels like the end of his career

[Anonymous No.14525216]

>>14525153
looks like arizona :)

[Anonymous No.14525233]

>>14525200
>literal who
vs
>hundreds of the best engineers on the planet
v8ynt

[Anonymous No.14525236]

>>14525200
people are still saying Musk is Reddit's idol? Reddit has hated Musk for years now, when are they gonna drop this narrative? It's

[Anonymous No.14525242]

>>14525233
>>14525236
>replying to it
newfaggots OUT

[Anonymous No.14525243]

>>14525236
>Reddit has hated Musk for years now, when are they gonna drop this narrative
Many sub-reddits love him, dunno what you are talking about.
>It's
It's what, anon?

[Anonymous No.14525247]

>>14525200
I wonder why he's so mad lol

[Anonymous No.14525269]

>>14525204
would not be so much of a problem if all those things weren't locked down freedom-impeding garbage

[Anonymous No.14525272]

>>14525100
>Living on Mars will resemble living in any modern city
Well it won't have the one element that makes any American city unbearable

[Anonymous No.14525279]

>>14525269
yes you are correct. i will never own tesla because it's cucked like an iphone.

[Anonymous No.14525285]

OSHA needs to have a full time staff brought on to monitor every SpaceX workplace.. Ridiculous!

[Anonymous No.14525289]

>>14525243

[Anonymous No.14525291]

>>14525285
lmao

[Anonymous No.14525295]

>>14525285
And then they installed it a few hours later, lol.

[Anonymous No.14525298]

>>14525285
It's not even strapped down KEK

[Anonymous No.14525299]

>>14524885
He's so full of himself.

[Anonymous No.14525305]

>>14525200
That faggot is worse than CCS or thundercuck. Half his videos are just retarded Musk rage

[Anonymous No.14525311]

>>14524885
>SpaceX claimed that lighting off an experimental rocket, the largest in History, from a postage stamp-sized plot of land surrounded by a wildlife refuge would not be a significant environmental impact

Stupid fuck has never heard of Cape Canaveral then I guess

[Anonymous No.14525316]

>>14525305
Lol, one of his arguments is that civilizations that are "exclusionary" will not stand the test of time. This guy is an anti white bolshevik faggot who rants about how whiteness is evil.

[Anonymous No.14525320]

>>14525305
>>14525316
Where do anons find these loons? I'd never had heard of this type of whackjob if it weren't' for shitposting in /sfg/.

[Anonymous No.14525322]

>>14525311
Actually the FAA agrees, quite literally by FONSI, finding of no significant impact.

[Anonymous No.14525324]

What happened to weekly Starlink launches?

[Anonymous No.14525325]

>>14525320
I don't know, somebody posted his anti-musk shit and I took a single look at the rest of his content and realized he was a hack. He thinks fucking Ben Shapiro is "fascist" lmao

[Anonymous No.14525331]

>>14525325
I know that type, they're best ignored like flat earthers and other purposefully-aggravating retards.
On spaceflight, anybody got a picture/render of the CAPSTONE satellite/payload/demonstrator? I'm curious. Pic unrelated and flew on Transporter 4.

[Anonymous No.14525333]

>>14525331
it basically looks like that too

[Anonymous No.14525334]

i want to live on a planet with varying gravity due to variations in Big G, so g force is reported daily in the weather report and you have high gravity and low gravity seasons, or kind of like high and low tides.

[Anonymous No.14525335]

>>14525153
Fuck American suburbs are so cool and organized. Peak living imagine skating there and driving a truck at 16

[Anonymous No.14525336]

>>14525334
lmao that would change everything

[Anonymous No.14525337]

>>14525324
It happen last week.

[Anonymous No.14525338]

>>14525320
they spend their days looking for people to get mad at and then shit up /sfg/ with it

[Anonymous No.14525340]

>>14525285
How many people have died there already? 10-20?

[Anonymous No.14525341]

>>14525335
looks like npc heaven

[Anonymous No.14525342]

>>14525333
Kek so it does

[Anonymous No.14525345]

>>14525316
>Lol, one of his arguments is that civilizations that are "exclusionary" will not stand the test of time.
Then how come Jews are the oldest nation?

[Anonymous No.14525349]

>>14525342
generic microsat

[Anonymous No.14525361]

I keep getting IP banned for 3-4 months at random intervals but I’d just like to say thanks for keeping the dream alive /sfg/

[Anonymous No.14525369]

>>14525285
SpaceX needs to hire full time private military contractors to reduce the regulatory burden via direct action

[Anonymous No.14525370]

>>14525320
I've told youtube to stop recommending his channel and it still shows up in my feed. Maybe YouTube is trying to deradicalize

[Anonymous No.14525372]

>>14525341
Only in your dreams could you have such a pleasant place to live once on Mars

[Anonymous No.14525373]

>>14525372
*nightmares

[Anonymous No.14525380]

>>14525361
Just reset your router bro

[Anonymous No.14525381]

Would anyone care about TROPICS if SpaceX hadn't bid on it?

[Anonymous No.14525383]

Why is Robert Zubrin obsessed with Mini Starship

[Anonymous No.14525384]

Assuming starship works what's the best way to bank roll colonization? is there a historical precedent - land/mineral titles? Labour wise what do martians produce productivity wise. Is it a giant methane gas station, space works?

How do you bank roll the colonization process lads

[Anonymous No.14525389]

>>14525381
Tropics is a neat program. Cubesats are based.

>>14525384
It’ll be a money pit for a long long long while

[Anonymous No.14525391]

>>14524854
>top 1/5th of the ship is missing
I know that its likely part of the shoot deploying process, but its ugly as fuck and I bet adds a fucking ton to the cost of refurbishment. Such a shitty design.

[Anonymous No.14525394]

>>14525391
It’s ugly but it’s actually supposed to be easier to reuse than dragon. Landing on solid ground has its benefits. Dragon had to replace its outer shell every time so only the pressure vessel is reused. If Starliner was flying 30 years ago it would be game changing

[Anonymous No.14525397]

>>14525384
>Assuming starship works what's the best way to bank roll colonization? is there a historical precedent - land/mineral titles? Labour wise what do martians produce productivity wise. Is it a giant methane gas station, space works?
starlink

[Anonymous No.14525399]

>>14525383
smaller starship means less fuel

[Anonymous No.14525400]

>>14525381
leg fetishist detected
>>14525384
not really possible directly, see https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/08/27/there-are-no-known-commodity-resources-in-space-that-could-be-sold-on-earth/
that's why starlink exists to finance the buildup until enough economic power has moved to mars to sustain the infrastructure there.
this is why npcs are seething regularly in this thread, it's simply not gonna be financially viable and at the same time hugely beneficial to do it.

[Anonymous No.14525403]

>>14525397
starlink is based, and can fund starship production, I am not sure there is enough money to do a full new civilization though, and since it's going to be a money pit, there needs to be more moneys. Plus like what are we looking at a, a mortage? labour contract plus rotation? you can build the serious incentives for growth

[Anonymous No.14525407]

>>14525394
Sadly, we're 30 years into the future since and its just not a good design imo for the next 10 years. I really hope Starship succeeds, so that the entire world can see the stark difference between a company that cares about the future and a companies that are stuck in the past with their design choices.

[Anonymous No.14525410]

>>14525383
because starship is...um...

IT'S JUST TOO BIG, OK???

[Anonymous No.14525412]

>>14525407
Agreed. It’s sad seeing how so much of aerospace is stuck in the perpetual 80’s and 90’s for some reason. NASA just released their plans for a Mars mission “in the 2030’s” and it is Apollo 2.0, down to landing just 2 people on the surface for less than a month

[Anonymous No.14525417]

>>14525394
>it’s actually supposed to be easier to reuse than dragon
>*throws away 48 thrusters, 4 abort engines and their entire propellant system*
nothin personnel

[Anonymous No.14525418]

Wtf was this? Apparently something broke inside S24 during the cryo test.

[Anonymous No.14525420]

>>14525384
ask the Dutch, Brits, Spaniards, and French

[Anonymous No.14525421]

>>14525418
just some pipe that maybe burst. obviously they bent it like that to get it out of the hatch.

[Anonymous No.14525422]

>>14525412
NASA is so completely risk averse now, at best they can afford to kill 2 people on the surface of Mars. Hilariously, if they're two people of color that die, they'll be sent to the gulag for sending two minorities to die while the white people in orbit survive; and they'll never fucking survive that reputation loss. Meanwhile SpaceX is like "we want to send thousands of people of all kinds, many will die, but in doing so, help civilization become the sci-fi dream everyone wants to live." Which incidentally, averages out the racism ideology, because anyone can die rather than specific type of people would die.

[Anonymous No.14525427]

It’s crazy how Dragon only became operational two years ago and SpaceX already is halting production of new capsules.

[Anonymous No.14525428]

>>14525400
you are not thinking big enough, this will be the case for a while, but markets are future thinking. You need to baloon up civilization on mars. What if you provided housing entirely for free as well as large land guarantees? Combine it with a ubi, which the only thing that it can be spent on is either facilitating a martian economy or buying goods from earth encouraging more growth. You need to grow the money pit as fast as possible, with as many people as possible.

[Anonymous No.14525429]

>>14525427
>implying that's a good thing
musk is finished

[Anonymous No.14525434]

>>14525429
Jej. I wonder how hard it would be to refit a dragon pressure vessel into a Starship payload bay. Maybe Bob’N’Doug’s capsule can fly as a Starship one day

[Anonymous No.14525435]

>>14525429
*finnish

[Anonymous No.14525436]

>>14525418
lurk more

[Anonymous No.14525438]

>>14525383
is this from Berserk?

[Anonymous No.14525439]

>>14525438
No, it's from Boku no Pico.

[Anonymous No.14525442]

>>14525427
They want to transition things over to Starship. Additionally, now that Starliner is essentially a "success", NASA will be paying contracts to Boeing for flights to ISS. That limits the total number of Dragon flights necessary, and SpaceX has 3-4 Dragon V2s in rotation that they can use for the next 5 years, give or take. Which is sufficient time to get Starship into orbit, iron out all the kinks of the architecture, figure out in orbit refueling, and also get HLS demo/crew flights to the Moon done. The thing is, there's no point to Dragon V2 once HLS Starship lands 2-4 people on the Moon. SpaceX has a skeleton crew in support of Dragon V2 right now, and like 90% of the company has moved over to Starship/SuperHeavy/Rapto2/Starlink development. Once they can completely cut bait and get the last 10% over, the Falcon 9/FH/Dragon V2 era will come to an end.

[Anonymous No.14525452]

>>14525429
Nasa: we need more capsules. They've all run their allotted launches and crew starship is years late
Musk: I'd take crew back to space in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have that technology to do that anymore. We use to but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again. But going to Mars should be one of the next series of steps that humans do.

[Anonymous No.14525456]

>>14525427
>>14525442
Fraudulon compulsively betting the farm once again.

[Anonymous No.14525465]

>>14525403
starlink is predicted to give SpaceX over 30 billion dollars a year in revenue by the end of this decade by a lot of respectable sources. assuming you need to send a million tonnes of cargo to mars to get it self sustaining. If you also assume that Starship can launch 125 tonnes of cargo to orbit per launch (middle of the road estimate) and that it takes 5 launches to refuel a starship to go to Mars, at 5million/launch in regards to internal costs, then that means you're talking about 40k launches in total, or 200 billion worth in launch costs alone. Obviously that is a lot of money, but if you spread those launch costs over say 30 years, then you're talking about roughly 6.7 billion dollars put into launches per year over a 30 year period for Mars colonization, or roughly 22% of SpaceX's annual starlink profits being used solely to fund the transportation of cargo/people to mars each year for 30 years. obviously there will be other significant costs to mars colonization, but transportation will definitely be by far the largest cost, and SpaceX will have other revenue streams to supplement starlink (launch contracts, manned space transportation in the earth/moon system/space tourism, etc etc).

if you don't want to read that wall of texts, what im saying is that assuming starlink gives SpaceX 30billion a year in revenue by 2030 (reasonable estimate) and SpaceX needs to send a million tonnes of cargo to mars before it can become self sustaining, it'd take SpaceX 30 years of spending 22% of its starlink profits on mars cargo transportation to reach that goal. financially daunting, but very achievable.

[Anonymous No.14525466]

>>14525456
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. In NASA's case, they don't take any shots. They're the little bitch that sits in a corner holding a watered down beer while everyone parties.

[Anonymous No.14525468]

>>14525442
There’s at least 5 more Crew-X flights for NASA right? And probably 10 or so other private missions including Axiom and Polaris. The real question is how long it’ll take Starship to be certified to launch people. For all we know, it might be until after the first Mars landing lol

[Anonymous No.14525472]

>>14525465
in the first couple sentences I meant to have "ands" followed by commas separating them, not periods.

[Anonymous No.14525475]

>>14525466
Damn, I'm literally NASA.

[Anonymous No.14525480]

>>14525466
Under promise and under deliver is NASA’s strategy. The SLS core for Artemis 1 started construction in 2015. At that time, SpaceX hadn’t even announced the ITS

[Anonymous No.14525484]

>>14525438
oh, sweaty
imagine not recognizing the cover of The Case for Mars

[Anonymous No.14525489]

What is your biggest worry for Starship’s orbital flight? Where do you think something will go wrong?

[Anonymous No.14525493]

>>14525465
50% of Mars colonization costs will be offset by a lot of companies the world over wanting to capture a piece of the initial martian real estate and make a name for themselves on the frontier. First movers' advantage in an unclaimed territory would allow them to become companies/corporations the likes of McDonalds and Amazon and Google without the cantankerous overhead and oppressive anti-competitive behaviors that plague the Earth.
>>14525468
>The real question is how long it’ll take Starship to be certified to launch people.
The final Polaris flight is Starship based, Issacman confirmed that. The purpose of that mission is to validate Starship for orbit/moon/Mars flights and to also validate SpaceX created space suits for EVA and other activities. I fully expect SpaceX space suits to have magnetic boots, which they'll use on the surface of the Starship and stand on it, looking down its entire length at the Earth below, take a picture of that or a selfie with Earth in the backdrop, and that picture alone will humiliate the entire legacy aerospace and Gateway and Mars 2.0 plans for being so laughably archaic and displaying a total lack of vision for the future. Yes, 5 more Crew-X flights and 2 Polaris flights (of 3) which are Dragon V2 bound. At 4 Dragon V2 capsules, that's roughly 3 more flights per with round robin usage and refurbishment. Even if something was to go wrong with the capsule in a way that could not be refurbished after Crew return, that's still 3 more in backup. Plus, SpaceX can always create a new capsule if necessary. While they have ceased production, I doubt they'd throw away the hardware completely until after Starship/HLS is flying routinely.
>>14525480
Conceptually overengineer, under promise, realistically be massively over budget and vastly blown past deadlines, finally deliver, and 9/10 times exceed operational mission requirements by a magnitude order or more--at the cost of the rest of the industry catching up or lapping NASA.

[Anonymous No.14525495]

>>14525465
I think the problem is you are hedging a ton of risks for the program into starlink. SpaceX has other cash flows, but chances are it'll be more expensive then people expect. You want to bring more heat. The 1 million tons of cargo people throw around, but most folks have no idea what the actual amount would have to be. Ideally you already want to find a monetizable way to send people to mars, I am saying they should already be selling tickets and funkopops

The idea of stopping at one city / outpost is kinda of short sighted as well. Yeah commodities will be entirely worthless on mars. Build a mock 12 foot graphic of a basketball court, with 1/3g you can probably build an interesting travel location. Manufacturing methane and the gas station idea is also interesting. I don't care how much shizo posting it takes, the volume of support matters, and the bigger mars is the quicker the better. There are ways to sell golden tickets to the frontier.

[Anonymous No.14525497]

>>14525384
Ship back and sell literal rocks from Mars. Imagine the kind of money you could get from selling Martian stone tiles, paving stones, countertops, decorative gravel, little jars of regolith, all that shit. You would saturate the market after a while but there is easily a few tens of billions to be made, probably in the hundreds of billions even. Then there is selling samples and shit to universities, bottled Martian water, martian gems if you luck out on some geodes, Martian meteorite chunks, honestly it would be fucking easy to fund your colony once you had a little outpost going.

[Anonymous No.14525503]

>>14525493
martian real estate is worthless, sponsorships would be more interesting. If you imagine it as being hyper televised. The stuff about corporations having an advantage makes no sense with 6 months between mars and earth. They may as well be separate entities, nothing is as big of an overhead as mars.

[Anonymous No.14525506]

>>14525493
Isaacman has some balls. I trust Starship but Jesus, not now. Anyways if Polaris 1 flies 2023, and 2 in 2024, I could see 3 flying in 2025 or 2026

[Anonymous No.14525511]

SS is great an all but a capsule will always be simpler than an entire SS. If they can make a manned SS cheap then they will always be able to make a manned capsule that much cheaper. Musk isnt delusional he knows this

[Anonymous No.14525518]

>>14525493
>While they have ceased production, I doubt they'd throw away the hardware completely until after Starship/HLS is flying routinely.
Nope, each one has been hand crafted essentially with no one capsule being exactly the same and when the program was cancelled I saw engineers walking out the door with boxes stuffed full of the blueprints and hand drawn corrections to the engines so there's no way to get them back

[Anonymous No.14525520]

>>14525511
Cheaper doesn't mean cheaper per seat. A private jet is a lot cheaper than an airliner, but that doesn't mean your average traveler buys or rents a private jet to travel.

Without artificial constraints on crew size Starship is much cheaper.

[Anonymous No.14525522]

>>14525511
How do you reuse the second stage that puts up the capsule without the second stage being a Starship?
That's your point of retardation.

[Anonymous No.14525523]

>>14525493
>I fully expect SpaceX space suits to have magnetic boots, which they'll use on the surface of the Starship and stand on it, looking down its entire length at the Earth below, take a picture of that or a selfie with Earth in the backdrop,
That sounds right up the alley of SpaceX's massive fucking balls and ambitions that's for sure. Would be kino as fuck, like Starman on FH, but its a real human Starman.

[Anonymous No.14525525]

>>14525489
Tiles failing during ascent, as wind pressure will sheer them off even if they somehow survived the vibration of launch and didn't fall off then. Thus, during reentry, even with gaps sealed by expansion of said tiles, there will be pockets where there are no tiles. The thermal blankets will quickly burn up and the plasma will basically sweep in, melt a hole into the Stainless Steel hull, and the vessel will quickly RUD thereafter. I don't work for them, I'm no rocket engineer, but maybe the triple prong embed approach to tile placement is not good enough. rather than the material be puncture placed onto, would be better to have like a 3-prong claw design in which the tile is placed into, and these prongs can bend a bit as the tiles expand. The biggest risk to Starship is thermal shock from reentry and during reentry. Everything else seems to be in a good place otherwise.
>>14525503
>Martian realestate is worthless
Same thing was said about every piece of unexplored land 2-300 years ago, and now the Earth is different.

[Anonymous No.14525527]

>>14525523
How hard are EVA suits to make anyways?

[Anonymous No.14525532]

>>14525340
Unironically, how come they have had 0 major accidents so far? With the constant surveillance going on we should have tons of gore already.

[Anonymous No.14525534]

>>14525489
>What is your biggest worry for Starship’s orbital flight?
Catch tower getting destroyed.

[Anonymous No.14525540]

>>14525489
>Vibration sound energy not dampened enough by water streams and vibrations reverberating from the ground up to Starship cause damage which results in catastrophic failure before it even clears the tower wiping out orbital Starship, Stage Zero, and half of the orbital tank farm

>Tiles shearing off if the above doesn't happen

[Anonymous No.14525542]

>>14525525
>Tiles failing during ascent, as wind pressure will sheer them off even if they somehow survived the vibration of launch and didn't fall off then. Thus, during reentry, even with gaps sealed by expansion of said tiles, there will be pockets where there are no tiles. The thermal blankets will quickly burn up and the plasma will basically sweep in, melt a hole into the Stainless Steel hull, and the vessel will quickly RUD thereafter. I don't work for them, I'm no rocket engineer, but maybe the triple prong embed approach to tile placement is not good enough. rather than the material be puncture placed onto, would be better to have like a 3-prong claw design in which the tile is placed into, and these prongs can bend a bit as the tiles expand. The biggest risk to Starship is thermal shock from reentry and during reentry. Everything else seems to be in a good place otherwise.
so not that bad, we kinda expect it to blow up and a successful ascent of the booster alone would be huge progress

[Anonymous No.14525543]

>>14525527
EVA suits are arguably simple to make. The hard part is balancing mobility/flexibility with protection from the elements. Because you need to be able to move, work, and be dexterous with the same level of accuracy as your hands outside of it--and finding the right material which can sustain your body's temperature, offer protection from radiation and hard vacuum, facilitate your ability to go to the bathroom, administer medicine in the event of an injury, be flexible to be patched and sealed in the event of a breach, contain biometric sensors, feed you oxygen/nitrogen mix or altered concentrations contingent to what's happening, and also give you access to water when you need it, all are the challenges. But building a basic EVA suit is piss easy--relatively speaking.

[Anonymous No.14525547]

>>14525525
if you look at real estate, you have farm land which retains value, but as far as living goes land is actually very cheap, all the expensive land is heavily localized to expensive cities, which is a tiny % or owned by the state. Worth of real estate comes from what you can extract out of the person who needs it which on mars right now it's 0, even colony sites with future potential values are probably around 0~ due to the risks involved with utilizations and the costs, there is no profit incentive

[Anonymous No.14525549]

>>14525442
What about people who wants to go to space, but don't want to pull a Snine?

[Anonymous No.14525556]

>>14525384
Just be happy this time there arent any people there to "colonize"

[Anonymous No.14525557]

>>14525542
Honestly, I think the booster ascent will be fine. 33 Raptors is a lot, but they've already done a six raptor static fire with Starship. So they have a good idea of plumbing/flow/fluid dynamics challenges and issues with that. Scaling that up is relatively easy. Plus, they have a ton of flight data from all the prototype flights and landing attempts with the 12km ascent/descent profiles. It will be interesting whether they'll throttle down the Raptors approaching MaxQ and then throttle back up or whether that's no longer necessary due to sheer size of the Starship/SuperHeavy pair.
>due to the risks involved with utilizations and the costs, there is no profit incentive
No risk, no reward. There will be plenty of companies/startups that'll risk themselves in the off chance they succeed. Colonizing a new world is a once in a life time opportunity. It's not for cowards.
>>14525549
What the fuck is a Snine?

[Anonymous No.14525559]

>>14524854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqQnk8pe-Gk

[Anonymous No.14525562]

>>14525384
>what's the best way to bank roll colonization?
Activities that will banned on Earth like human genetic engineering. Higher intelligence will lead to the discovery of other market opportunities and products worth selling off planet. Of course all will in turn piss off the crabs in a bucket Earthers and provoke conflict.

[Anonymous No.14525572]

>>14525557
>What the fuck is a Snine?

NEWFAGS GET OUT AND GO BACK

[Anonymous No.14525575]

>>14525549
Falcon has had 100 or so landings without any redundancy. I guess it’s just a matter of making it super reliable.

>>14525557
Dude I’m scared of the boosters fucking exploding under the weight of the giant Starship above and 7500 tons of thrust below. SpaceX has had a perfect success record for a while now and even the Starship tests that ended in explosions still were 95% successful.

[Anonymous No.14525604]

>>14525557
>Honestly, I think the booster ascent will be fine.

See >>14525540

[Anonymous No.14525608]

>>14525520
you cant send as many people as you like. NASA wont be needing 20 astronauts at once.

[Anonymous No.14525616]

>>14525532
with so much pressure vessels and heavy equipment and stuff it should have happened already

[Anonymous No.14525644]

When?

[Anonymous No.14525711]

>>14525644
not that easy in orbital mechanics

[Anonymous No.14525716]

>>14525711
>Every warhead has a small thruster to burn retrograde
Yes, it is that easy in orbital mechanics. It's a dumb picture by someone who doesn't understand it though.

[Anonymous No.14525733]

>>14524016
now do a version with an autistic Elon Musk beating both

[Anonymous No.14525746]

>>14525532
Nigga, this isn't China.

[Anonymous No.14525752]

>>14525497
How much would people really pay? It would have to be some super expensive luxury gravel lol and probably not look that much different from earth rocks

[Anonymous No.14525756]

>>14525644
It's not that easy in space weaponry, lasers could destroy all the missiles and the ship.

[Anonymous No.14525763]

>>14525644
>filming a kitsch movie in space
One day anon, one day.

[Anonymous No.14525787]

>>14525711
This is just the top of a very tall tower

[Anonymous No.14525796]

>>14525604
>>14525540
I think sound energy hurting launch vehicles is a myth. It hurts surrounding infrastructure, not the rocket. Can anyone point to a single time a launch vehicle was actually affected by its own noise?

[Anonymous No.14525812]

>In 1929, the German physicist Hermann Oberth developed plans for a space station from which a 100-metre-wide concave mirror could be used to reflect sunlight onto a concentrated point on the earth.
>Later during World War II, a group of German scientists at the German Army Artillery proving grounds at Hillersleben began to expand on Oberth's idea of creating a superweapon that could utilize the sun's energy. This so-called "sun gun" (Sonnengewehr) would be part of a space station 8,200 kilometres (5,100 mi) above Earth. The scientists calculated that a huge reflector, made of metallic sodium and with an area of 9 square kilometres (900 ha; 3.5 sq mi), could produce enough focused heat to make an ocean boil or burn a city.

Why do I always end up in the worst timeline? What did I do to deserve this?

[Anonymous No.14525824]

>>14525608
>NASA wont be needing 20 astronauts at once.
Congress mandating crew size to tailor mission requirements to pork barrel old space companies is an artificial restriction

[Anonymous No.14525832]

>>14525608
You literally can. That's how STS missions worked.

[Anonymous No.14525833]

>>14525752
>How much would people really pay?

Whatever price tag you put on it. People with money love blowing it on frivolous shit. You think a rich cunt won't spend $1000 dollars per Martian paving stone for his ornamental garden when he blows 100k on a fucking watch?

[Anonymous No.14525840]

>>14525711
could not be in orbit

[Anonymous No.14525851]

>>14525495
The idea isn't stopping at one city (certainly not an "outpost", it'd have to be a massive city to be self sustaining). The idea is creating one, self sustaining city, so any other cities on Mars can trade with that city assuming contact is ever lost with Earth for whatever reason.
>I think the problem is you are hedging a ton of risks for the program into starlink.
SpaceX is already doing that, hedging all transportation risk onto starship succeeding.

[Anonymous No.14525855]

>>14525812
Just wait for the Universal Century

[Anonymous No.14525858]

>>14524936
>Investigators concluded that during the 4.5 years that Galileo spent in storage after the Challenger disaster, the lubricants between the tips of the ribs and the cup were eroded and worn by vibration during the three cross-country journeys by truck between California and Florida for the spacecraft.[93] The failed ribs were those closest to the flat-bed trailers carrying Galileo on these trips.[94] The use of land transport was partly to save costs—air transport would have cost an additional $65,000 (equivalent to $120,000 in 2020) or so per trip—but also to reduce the amount of handling required in loading and unloading the aircraft, which was considered a major risk of damage.[95] The spacecraft was also subjected to severe vibration in a vacuum environment by the IUS. Experiments on Earth with the test HGA showed that having a set of stuck ribs all on one side reduced the DDA torque produced by up to 40 percent.[94]
Thanks, boomsticks!

[Anonymous No.14525866]

>>14525608
NASA will quickly become responsible for the minority of astronauts sent into space

[Anonymous No.14525880]

>>14525644
>>14525711
This picture is a double filter.
First, it looks dumb to those who only kind of know about orbital mechanics and are enslaved to the dogma of the retrograde burn. Then, it looks normal to those who know this is perfectly feasible in LEO with an aggressive radial burn.

[Anonymous No.14525883]

>>14525489
biggest worry is the booster explodes on the pad destroying the launch site and causing another review delaying things by 2 years

where do I think something will go wrong? booster catch issue and they abort the landing resulting in a rough touchdown a few hundred meters away then it tips over (cus no legs) and explodes

[Anonymous No.14525894]

>>14525880
>>14525711
>>14525787
Don't be fooled, the installation >>14525644 is obviously traveling on the magnetic rail of an orbital ring.

[Anonymous No.14525907]

>>14525866
and will only send minorities

[Anonymous No.14525912]

>>14525880
>it looks normal
This has been debunked, radial would be perpendicular to the Earth.

[Anonymous No.14525922]

>>14525858
lucky to get as much download as they did. A bit of good oldspace wd40 would have fixed it

[Anonymous No.14525923]

Cool, SaveRGV now sueing spacex for beach access

[Anonymous No.14525928]

https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-testing-boca-chica-beach-access-lawsuit
Didn't they try something like this already and lose?

[Anonymous No.14525930]

Apollo era - oldspace
shuttle era - middle (dark) space ages
SpaceX era- newspace (renaissance)

[Anonymous No.14525951]

>>14525928
>>14525923
CAN THEY JUST

FUCK

OFF

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.14525954]

>>14525930
>oldspace
Find another term, that one is already taken.

[Anonymous No.14525956]

>>14525951
Nope, american law suit culture will destroy the momentum that spaceX has and bring them down to the level of oldspace.

[Anonymous No.14525972]

>>14525930
Oldspace is a regime of industry practices and mindset, not an era

[Anonymous No.14525978]

>>14525923
Like 99.9% of people whining about losing beach access for 500 hours a year didn't know that Boca Chica existed before SpaceX moved there. There was nothing in that area besides a few dozen rundown houses, a shooting range, and an old rarely visited civil war battleground. Ironically now it gets flooded by tourists in part thanks to so called environmentalists popularizing it as a wonderous beach and the damage done will be worse than damage actually created by SpaceX operations.

[Anonymous No.14525988]

>>14525978
Fuck you anon, think about the frogs and crabs spaceX is killing there by building their exploding phallic objects.
Elon musk is a south african blood diamond criminal and all spaceX assets should be seized by the US goverment and given to boeing!!!!

[Anonymous No.14525990]

>>14525855
>spent a century and hundreds of billions to build space colonies just so a bunch of nazi larpers can gas the population and throw them on earth
No thanks

[Anonymous No.14525992]

>>14525049
they do, and you can't prove otherwise

[Anonymous No.14525995]

>>14525990
A logical storyline in gundam has never been its strong suit.

[Anonymous No.14525998]

>>14525978
this post is heartless. it's like you dont care about the endangered boca boomers

[Anonymous No.14526002]

>>14525956
That's what I fear..

[Anonymous No.14526010]

>>14525956
That's why Elon is assembling a team

[Anonymous No.14526011]

>>14525978
This is literally true. Also the number of natives to that area is literally, and I’m not making that up, about a dozen. All of them boomers who made a bad call on their retirement and are mostly seething about property values.

[Anonymous No.14526014]

Environmentalists acting in good faith would sue the government to close the road more often or permanently.

[Anonymous No.14526018]

>>14525930
Apollo era - Golden Age (New dawn)
Shuttle era - Dark Age (Old space)
SpaceX era - 2nd Golden Age (New space)

[Anonymous No.14526023]

>>14526014
Environmentalist acting in good faith would consider suicide bombing to reduce human population on earth, as they consider humans to be aliens and not suitable for living on earth.

[Anonymous No.14526029]

>>14525384
Go to the moon instead.

[Anonymous No.14526033]

>>14526029
Its much harder to create a fully self sustaining colony on the moon

[Anonymous No.14526049]

>>14526033
Not really, it will always be easier to build a colony on the moon then mars because of how close the moon is.
Also we can pretty much build a space elevator on the moon with the tech we have today.

[Anonymous No.14526050]

>>14525951
this

[Anonymous No.14526068]

>>14526033
How so?

[Anonymous No.14526069]

>>14526049
What a retarded post holy shit

[Anonymous No.14526071]

>>14525380
Does not work if they region ban your ISP. Mine was like that for 5 months couple years ago. And Europoors often have static ip of not a phone.

[Anonymous No.14526074]

>>14526069
ah yes, please explain in detail why my statements are retarded.

[Anonymous No.14526113]

>>14526069
>boowomp

[Anonymous No.14526122]

>>14526074
>muh close is better argument
>no understanding of deltavee requirements
>>Also we can pretty much build a space elevator on the moon with the tech we have today.
no point in giving you the time of day. Maybe watch a YouTube video on the subject, it might be about your level.

[Anonymous No.14526136]

>>14526122
>projecting the post
I unironically think your the room temp IQ retard here who has watched too many YT vidoes here and thinks he is a expert.
But hey, if you think it's easier to build a colony that needs multiple months of travel at the best of times to get there vs one that we can reach in days thats your problem.

[Anonymous No.14526142]

>>14526136
You think space elevators are both a good idea and “doable with our current technology.” Should be more than enough for anyone to ignore you for good.

[Anonymous No.14526149]

>>14526142
You are a tard, Mars will take forever, the Moon is the first choice for everyone, including spacex

[Anonymous No.14526156]

>>14524930
Violence
>>14525016
It really was in the text of the draft proposal (I read it, did you?)

[Anonymous No.14526159]

>>14526018
>New dawn
how about just "dawn"?

[Anonymous No.14526160]

>>14526136
The Moon being so close is the single biggest reason Mars is superior. The distance is annoying for the trip but it being separated physically and culturally from Earth is the single biggest benefit a colony could have.

[Anonymous No.14526162]

>>14526142
The moon has no atmosphere to speak off and has like 1/5 of the gravity of earth.
Your a retard who doesnt underestand how that takes away most of the problems that make it impossible to build a space elevator on earth.

[Anonymous No.14526163]

>>14525497
delusional

[Anonymous No.14526166]

>>14526136
>if you think it's easier to build a colony that needs multiple months of travel at the best of times
>thinking this matters much regarding the overall difficulty of a self-sustaining colony

[Anonymous No.14526172]

>>14526166
It does matter if you have to factor in that you need to keep these people alive for a lot longer on the voyage.

[Anonymous No.14526176]

>>14524944
comparison with voyager antenna

[Anonymous No.14526180]

>>14525497
Flex on every other richfag by having a solid Martian granite dektop.

[Anonymous No.14526187]

>>14526176
its small

[Anonymous No.14526190]

>>14526172
that part especially barely has an impact.
the clustering of returning launches around a short time period and the constraints that puts on the fuel ISRU are bigger, however still tiny in comparison to the actual challenges of being self sustaining on either mars or the moon.

[Anonymous No.14526196]

>>14526190
>colony hard
>make it harder lol
???

[Anonymous No.14526197]

>>14525851
the difference is they settled on the feasible solution to the transportation problem, where as capital derivation is a whole separate thing that can be diversified, starship working is a pre-requisite.

[Anonymous No.14526201]

>>14526172
>>14526149
What a retard
>>14526162
You’re also retarded

[Anonymous No.14526203]

>>14526011
I think it's interesting to see what the area was like in 2011 on Street View, most of the buildings wouldn't look out of place in Detroit. SpaceX ended up restoring this line pattern seen on two of the houses.

[Anonymous No.14526206]

>>14526190
We are talking about a travel time here where you can hold your shit&piss in long enough that you dont need to include a toilet on your spaceship compared to one where you need more then a ton of additional food&water&air&tech to keep one person alive on that voyage.
Your really downplaying how fucking hard it is to go to mars.

[Anonymous No.14526209]

>>14526201
Mars will be colonized after the Moon, and I can see how this make you feel

[Anonymous No.14526213]

>>14525153
oh god, that's much worse than I ever imagined.

[Anonymous No.14526216]

>>14526149
Good thing SpaceX isn't listening to you lol

[Anonymous No.14526217]

>>14526206
You're retarded. This is still not an argument of any weight as to the difficulty of colonization.

[Anonymous No.14526220]

>>14526201
Here is your (you) now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14526222]

>>14525493
Starship hull should be nonmagnetic

[Anonymous No.14526226]

>>14526217
Do you even have a real argument here are you just pissed off because anons don't agree with your bullshit reasoning?

[Anonymous No.14526227]

>>14526209
SpaceX has zero plans for lunar colonization thank God, whereas they actively plan for mars colonization. If somebody wants to pay SpaceX to transport cargo to the moon for a lunar colony, they'll do that, but they're not going to do that out of their own pocket, unlike Mars.

[Anonymous No.14526228]

>>14526227
They are one of the main participants in current lunar plans

[Anonymous No.14526238]

>>14526228
NASA's current plans do not amount to colonization in any way, shape, or form. SpaceX's martian plans on the other hand, most certainly do.

[Anonymous No.14526250]

>>14526238
The plans you speak of are an end goal, that doesn't mean they are actively planning out and hiring crew and personnel.
They don't even have an orbital vehicle yet, and you expect them to have the systems required to keep 50 or so people alive and safe for ~6 months?

[Anonymous No.14526251]

>>14526228
Oh you’re genuinely fucking retarded. Go back newfag LOL

[Anonymous No.14526254]

>>14526227
>they actively plan for mars colonization.
not really though. basically no work put into the infrastructure of the colony habitats.

[Anonymous No.14526255]

>>14526250
Go back newfag lol
>They don't even have an orbital vehicle yet
Retarded or bait?

[Anonymous No.14526256]

>>14526251
You're the one spoting a SpaceX version of the "SLS will take us to the moon" when neither have even flown to space yet

[Anonymous No.14526257]

>>14526226
Cope
I have stated my argument several times. This is an insignificant factor.
I haven't even brought up the pitiful amount of hydrogen and unworkable amount of carbon that the tips the scale overwhelmingly in favor of mars.
I was simply stating how 'it's closer' is a triviality.
If this is not obvious to you, you haven't realized the world of difference between a flags and footprints mission and a colonization project.

[Anonymous No.14526261]

Everybody just report this piece of shit and Ignore him.

[Anonymous No.14526262]

>>14526250
SpaceX's mars' plans aren't just an end goal, they want to begin their mars program asap, (which includes getting to orbit). Elon has said numerous times that all decisions about starship are aimed at reducing the cost/tonne to the surface of Mars.
>and you expect them to have the systems required to keep 50 or so people alive and safe for ~6 months?
Compared to Raptor II development that is not at all very technically daunting, but it doesn't even matter because the first starships to Mars will only contain between 12-24 people at most.

[Anonymous No.14526269]

>>14526257
Calling everybody a retard and a newfag is not a argument.

[Anonymous No.14526270]

>>14526254
You're a retarded newfag who thinks just because SpaceX isn't actively working on the colony habitats, they aren't working on Mars colonization. If you weren't a newfag, you'd know SpaceX is working on getting the hardest part of Mars colonization (transportation - starship) out of the way before working on relatively mundane stuff like colony habitats.

[Anonymous No.14526271]

>spaceflight discussion
>report this piece of shit and Ignore him
sure smells like summer in here

[Anonymous No.14526272]

>Hughes has said numerous times that all decisions about the Glomar Explorer are aimed at mining manganese nodules on the ocean floor

[Anonymous No.14526273]

>>14526269
>>>>14526270
lol

[Anonymous No.14526275]

>>14526270
They're working on a rapid-reuse heavy lift to LEO, for military purposes. They've invested almost nothing into technology specifically for Mars.

[Anonymous No.14526276]

>Books at the bookstore about “humanity’s future in space”
>SpaceX barely mentioned, 99% of the time it’s just dragon and shit
>Starship is absent from all
I am ANGRY. What’s wrong with authors?

[Anonymous No.14526277]

>>14526272
>Elon Musk is Howard Hughes
Thanks for telling us you're just another anti-elon shill

[Anonymous No.14526278]

Someone double check youtube for "SpaceX" under today/live. Are there are crypto scammer live videos? Screenshots

[Anonymous No.14526280]

>>14526262
>Compared to Raptor II development that is not at all very technically daunting
These two are in no way comparable

[Anonymous No.14526283]

>>14526275
>rapid-reuse heavy lift to LEO, for military purposes
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.14526284]

>>14526275
I'm going to trust SpaceX and Elon Musk on their ambitions over some random lefty on 4chan

[Anonymous No.14526286]

>>14526136
Outpost vs Colony

[Anonymous No.14526287]

>>14526276
Books are written 2-3 years in advance, the ideas for the books are even older, so consider that.

[Anonymous No.14526288]

>>14526277
There is literally nothing wrong with being Howard Hughes, nor anything wrong with furthering American defense interests.

[Anonymous No.14526291]

>>14526284
>lefty
Baseless slur. I support Elon Musk and his BMD program.

[Anonymous No.14526293]

Man, it's so easy to get the shills to come out of the woodwork. All you have to do is talk about mars colonization and they start claiming that Elon is either going to fail, all his projects are just for the military, or that SpaceX somehow doesn't have the technical acuity to create fucking hab structures lol

[Anonymous No.14526297]

>>14526293
>I can be retarded if I just call everyone a shill
But did you know that YOU are the shill? You cannot prove anyone otherwise, then you're just coping.

[Anonymous No.14526304]

Thoughts on ITS?

[Anonymous No.14526316]

>>14526304
nice legs, bit too big for first model

[Anonymous No.14526317]

>>14526304
It's Starship's hotter imaginary cousin.

[Anonymous No.14526321]

>>14524563
Dangerously based.

[Anonymous No.14526322]

>>14526275
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH oh you’re one of THOSE people oh my god haha I knew it

[Anonymous No.14526327]

>>14526322
>implying I was ever claiming anything else
nice reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.14526335]

So what happens immediately after the faa permit is issued? Static fire tests?

[Anonymous No.14526337]

Seriously why do newfags not realize now easy they are to spot? Surprised he hasn’t mentioned radiation yet

[Anonymous No.14526339]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#Military_satellites

[Anonymous No.14526342]

>>14526321
How fucking wide is that door for it to be that far open at that angle

[Anonymous No.14526346]

>>14526342
The artist used a wide angle lens when painting this hyper realistic scene.

[Anonymous No.14526353]

>>14526335
Presumably a bit of pomp, and they start on the expansions they haven’t been able to do, and they conduct the tests they couldn’t have
Also they get several lawsuits over the findings which attempt to stay work - and all judges refuse to stop any work while the lawsuit goes through the courts.

[Anonymous No.14526359]

>>14526316
>>14526317
It's Starship that didn't skipped the legs day

[Anonymous No.14526378]

/sfg/ is plain boring

[Anonymous No.14526398]

taylor swift on dearmoon?

[Anonymous No.14526404]

>>14526321
The jannies will love this one

[Anonymous No.14526416]

>>14525384
It would be in the best finnancial interest of space X and in the best interest of long term human colonization of the solar system for them to make Starship as available as possible to other space agencies both private and governmental, maybe they could lease starships out to other agencies or even sell manufacturing rights to other companies who could use the design but pay the construction costs.
Starship makes so many things suddenly possible and there are going to be so many organizations finding new potential use cases.

One of the first potentially profitable uses is making and maintaining orbital propellant depots, with such depots it becomes easier to send payloads deeper into space without the R&D costs of creating a whole new deep space rocket.
Space station construction, mass satellite ride share programs, orbital manufacturing, asteroid capture and subsequent mining, orbital infrastructure development... etc

[Anonymous No.14526434]

>>14526136
>durrrrr it's better cuz it's closer
>*y'ruoe
>no UR the one watching too much turdgezfart videos!

[Anonymous No.14526443]

>>14526434
Animeposting is kinda gay but making fun of the moonfaggot is based.
The moon has nothing of value, it's a barren shithole and forever a slave to Earth.

[Anonymous No.14526456]

>>14525200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85WOubv5-Y

[Anonymous No.14526464]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiJFo-kaJBQ

>the distance from Earth to Mars but from Sol to Centauri
>if we ever get warp drives working

hngggg

[Anonymous No.14526515]

>>14526464
>technology that is so advanced it might as well be magic

[Anonymous No.14526516]

>>14526464
>Directed by Erik Wernquist
fucking knew it, that guy is as based as they come. he directed Wanderers, that one Mars terraform music video, the Cassini reentry video. there is no one who compares

[Anonymous No.14526522]

>>14526464
These guys are pretty interesting. They've made some actual progress and have Gwynne Shotwell on their board of directors iirc.

[Anonymous No.14526524]

>>14526516
His style is really good yeah

[Anonymous No.14526526]

>>14526464
Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LD0iUYv80

[Anonymous No.14526528]

>>14526515
They've made actual progress on it, surprisingly enough. It was discussed here several months ago. The progress is talked about in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nuuv_WyQZA&t=5s and this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1YExj_82LI

[Anonymous No.14526530]

>>14526464
Aren't we closer to constructing a starship with an anti-matter drive or a black hole drive? Since these are at least well-understood and physically proven to exist, as opposed to the exotic "negative mass" matter required for warp drives

[Anonymous No.14526532]

>>14526528
any concept that requires negative mass/energy is not currently workable. you have to find evidence such exists in reality beyond equations

[Anonymous No.14526541]

>>14526532
Watch the video first before you assume they haven't made any progress

[Anonymous No.14526543]

>>14526541
read my post before assuming i made any claim that "they haven't made any progress"

[Anonymous No.14526545]

>>14526541
I did. Still requires negative mass/energy. Don’t waste my time again

[Anonymous No.14526554]

https://youtu.be/GSfdrdr6AiQ
ANGRY ASTRONAUT CONFIRMS THE FAA WILL APPROVE SPACEX STARSHIP

[Anonymous No.14526555]

>>14526443
Brainlet take.
The moon has a lot to offer and there's no reason to not colonize both.

[Anonymous No.14526563]

>>14526555
Turn the moon into a giant retirement community, a hospice center for aging citizens. Lower gravity, constant nurse/doctor presence, regulated activity/exercise/diet. Imagine spending your last few years of life on the moon feeling lighter than you have in decades.

[Anonymous No.14526568]

>>14525381
TROPICS represents a paradigm shift towards more/smaller/cheaper compared to big MEO microwave weather sats and simultaneously producing better data. It's cool regardless of launch vehicle. I want to see a web of similar cubesats in LVO.

t. Magellan fan

[Anonymous No.14526569]

>>14526443
lmao Earth would be powerless against a self-sufficient lunar society, the tactical disparity is insane

[Anonymous No.14526570]

>>14526443
I actually think the moon is cool because an actual economy could develop around cislunar space with profitable industries, but the moon doesn't make as much sense for trying to make a fully self sustaining colony as mars.

[Anonymous No.14526571]

>Just spoke with Firefly's Tom Markusic and will have an in-depth story early next week. He said that, if all goes well with the range and FAA licensing, the company will target July 17 for the second launch of its Alpha rocket from Vandenberg Space Force Base.
-Eric Berger, 29.05.2022

[Anonymous No.14526573]

>>14526554
Actually good video with information and decent speculation and it’s short. Nice. Usually he’s too long and too opinionated without enough facts and logic

[Anonymous No.14526576]

>>14526571
5/26/2022
You have 6 and 9 mixed. Also you're using the wrong date.

[Anonymous No.14526578]

>>14526576
-Eric Berger, 29.06.2022
fixed

[Anonymous No.14526579]

>>14526464
>GO INCREDIBLY FAST
YES SIR

[Anonymous No.14526580]

>>14526571
Firefly wants the spacex hype so bad it’s unreal. Thirsty

[Anonymous No.14526584]

>>14526576
>Also you're using the wrong date.
True. Everyone knows ISO 8601 is the only correct option.

[Anonymous No.14526586]

>>14526278
Bump, can anyone double check if youtube has truly deleted those crypto videos or if its just me.

[Anonymous No.14526604]

>>14526532
>>14526543
>>14526545
There was even more recent progress where actual warp fields were produced, or something like that. Don't have it on hand but the pic the anon posted with it looked like a skate park.

[Anonymous No.14526614]

>>14526604
It's not happening.

[Anonymous No.14526626]

>>14526604
>>14526541
there is NO warp drive concept that doesn't rely on unproven physics as a fundamental requirement. negative energy "density" casimir "bubbles" are negative RELATIVE to the positive energy density space around it. which has nothing to do with negative mass/energy that a warp drive requires. kinda retarded they brought it up at all in the keynote

[Anonymous No.14526630]

>>14526626
Eh, it'll happen eventually. The universe does it so we can do it to, and in a useful way.

[Anonymous No.14526633]

>>14526630
where does the universe do it

[Anonymous No.14526635]

>>14526633
In space. It expands faster than light.

[Anonymous No.14526636]

>>14526630
Stop schizo posting in this fucking thread

[Anonymous No.14526639]

>>14526635
Sub popsci tier understanding

[Anonymous No.14526640]

>>14526636
>that now qualifies as schizo posting

[Anonymous No.14526641]

>>14526635
negative energy DENSITY is not negative energy

[Anonymous No.14526644]

>>14526639
That's what happens, sorry.
>>14526641
And?

[Anonymous No.14526646]

>>14526640
Yes negative energy posting and FTL posting and QI posting is all schizo tier

[Anonymous No.14526647]

>>14526644
negative energy density does not a warp drive make

[Anonymous No.14526648]

>>14526646
I love the QI posters

[Anonymous No.14526650]

>>14526644
Not really.

[Anonymous No.14526652]

>>14526571
They held their last launch date remarkably well, despite the rocket sitting on the pad for several months testing and waiting. It's later than I hoped, but I'm curious how tightly they'll hold to this date.

>>14526580
Firefly is just doing standard marketing. Of their peers, I'd say Rocket Lab and Relativity are more guilty. They have business media outlets riding their dicks constantly. And they're far from the first startup Berger's interviewed.

[Anonymous No.14526653]

I will email the casimir bubbles guy and ask him to clarify and see if he responds

[Anonymous No.14526655]

>>14526653
The hero /sfg/ needs, but not the one it deserves.

[Anonymous No.14526656]

>>14525572
Fuck you, you gate keeping fag. Not everyone lives in on this shithole 24/7 like you.

[Anonymous No.14526660]

>>14526656
lol, nice bait

[Anonymous No.14526663]

>>14526646
QI is closer to working outside the lab than VASIMR is.

[Anonymous No.14526664]

>>14525644
If not for SpaceX, not before at least 2300. With SpaceX driving the innovation, not until 2090.

[Anonymous No.14526673]

I've said it before and I'll say it again- the human collective unconscious can exert enough pressure on reality to create retroactive changes to the universe.
Ergo, if enough people want FTL to be real, then it will be real, and the laws of physics will bend into whatever shape they need to such that FTL will have always been possible.

[Anonymous No.14526674]

lol

[Anonymous No.14526683]

>>14526464
What would be most fascinating of all of these developments is not reaching planets with stars around them, but potentially discovering that the space between stars is littered by the hundreds of thousands or even millions of rogue worlds that have been ejected from their formative years, or as a result of stellar interaction, blackhole interaction, supernovae interaction, and other astrophysical phenomenon that we're not yet aware of. If such a thing turns out to be true. Then the potential for building colonies like a string of pearls between two sons becomes vastly more intriguing than building long distance ecosystems instead.

[Anonymous No.14526693]

>>14526683
>Then the potential for building colonies like a string of pearls between two suns
hnnng yes
one of my favorite concepts, so fucking kino

we should only be so lucky

[Anonymous No.14526702]

>>14526673
That's why Alcubierre published the year Star Trek TNG wrapped (1994).

[Anonymous No.14526704]

>>14526693
I wonder what societies and civilizations that exist over such timescales would be like.

[Anonymous No.14526708]

>>14526464
>every spacecraft is shown departing from Mars, instead of Earth
confirmed based

[Anonymous No.14526722]

>>14526704
>>14526693
Almost all societies that would flourish on these rogue worlds, so to speak, would likely be underground societies. I am a huge huge huge fan of megastructure societies. Where you essentially carve out a world like Ceres or the Moon or Mercury, geologically dead worlds, and over hundreds of years, turn them into massive arks of life. Assuming we could figure out Alcuibierre style warp drives which would reduce travel between stars to six month directional opportunities and if the space between is littered with rogue worlds, then there's another opportunity this creates.
Moving material from the oort cloud and outer gas giant and liquid moon bodies (Titan/Pluto as examples), you could over a century time span, create Wandering Earth style configurations on these worlds and slow down their trajectory velocities, zero it out, and then move them back into a near linear path between Earth and Alpha/Proxima Centauri or even devise propulsion models and enact on them where multiple rogue worlds become orbiting binaries and that way whatever humanity colonizes both worlds, always has an opportunity to cross pollinate.

[Anonymous No.14526728]

>>14525752
there is not a number rich fags would not pay to get a countertop made of rock from another fucking planet

[Anonymous No.14526744]

I heard some schizo posts that Boring Company got contracts with the DoD and has dug tunnels even in Taiwan. Do any of you hyper autists know about is?

[Anonymous No.14526753]

>>14526744
No, but I would like to.
More tunnels.

[Anonymous No.14526755]

>>14526753
Mars-Earth tunnel when?

[Anonymous No.14526768]

>>14525075
>pure dog shit tier
literally just calling it rocket

[Anonymous No.14526771]

>>14526768
>Rocket One
>LauncherOne

so inspiring, fucking Chinese commercial space tier

[Anonymous No.14526774]

>>14526768
Astrabros...

[Anonymous No.14526787]

>>14526744
lol if true

[Anonymous No.14526807]

>>14526753
>>14526787
I’m gonna dig more but it seems they were mentioned here. Fucking nightmare UI so I’ll look more another time
>DoD authorisation for appropriations for fiscal year 2005
https://books.google.com.au/books?pg=PA763&lpg=PA763&dq=boring+company+defense+contract&sig=ACfU3U1fwmLe4d1Z4x2nzbFEbLn2jzXTnQ&id=_L1AVavTjnQC&ots=v59cL_pwjw&output=text
>clean up your links
No.

[Anonymous No.14526808]

>>14526807
>I’m gonna dig more

[Anonymous No.14526814]

>>14525285
Looks like a successful mobile activation test to me.

[Anonymous No.14526824]

>>14526673
they showed us an "educational" video in grade school about motivation and this was literally one of the things they talked about. the example was some kid who had the 'desire' for a bicycle and because his will was strong enough he ended up getting the bike. it was fucking weird

[Anonymous No.14526827]

>>14526673
>>14526824
>The Secret shit
>/x/ shit on my /sci/

[Anonymous No.14526844]

>>14526827
I'm sorry that you're buttmad about not understanding the structure of reality

[Anonymous No.14526845]

is there anything stopping us from putting a probe on an extremely long-period fast-moving comet as it reaches its perihelon, and using it to hitch a ride to the deep outer solar system?
not only would it be much faster than probes like new horizons or the voyagers, but it would also save on fuel (thereby saving on weight) by only having to travel a small fraction the distance by itself
it could focus entirely on making the (relatively) short distance to the comet, landing safely, and taking measurements/communicating with earth
imagine a probe headed to the outer solar system three times faster than voyager 1, with a vastly larger, higher res camera. we could get actual observations of entire regions of the solar system we currently know almost nothing about. why hasn't this happened? it seems like a very obvious idea

[Anonymous No.14526851]

>>14526845
You have to match it’s acceleration so it’s really not significantly different except you also have to land on a fucking comet

[Anonymous No.14526852]

>>14526464
>a grain of sand appears

[Anonymous No.14526856]

>>14526852
I think you could almost arbitrarily decrease the effective cross-sectional area of the craft in the direction of travel, and render debris risk basically irrelevant

[Anonymous No.14526877]

>>14526673
fuck off back to /x/ and take your tulpa with you

[Anonymous No.14526878]

>>14526844
fuck off and die, retard (not the same guy)

[Anonymous No.14526881]

>>14526702
"That'll do pig" Zefram Cochrane, after his pig invented the warp drive

[Anonymous No.14526885]

>>14526856
how narrow are the passengers? and will your vermiform passengers be lined up head to tail in your craft?

[Anonymous No.14526889]

>>14526885
My man, can you read?

[Anonymous No.14526893]

>>14526889
>almost arbitrarily decrease the effective cross-sectional area of the craft in the direction of travel
yes, can you?

[Anonymous No.14526904]

>>14526893
"Effective" is the key word. If you're compressing and expanding space around the ship willy-nilly, the bubble could externally appear a few milimeters across along the direction of travel, while internally being "normal" size

[Anonymous No.14526907]

>>14526904
IIRC that was part of the change that dropped the mass-energy requirement from the planet Jupiter to a few kilograms, a smaller external bubble.

[Anonymous No.14526922]

I know the laws of physics are one thing but it will be seriously disappointing if humanity 100,000 years from now doesn’t have FTL.

[Anonymous No.14526932]

>>14526443
Hey, it's not moeshit, it's CHADnime, but I appreciate the aid. However, the moon DOES have its own caches, like helium-3 and water ice. There's just no feasible way it'll be separate from soiciety like a Mars civilization will be.
However, I can definitely tell the moon-goon only believes shit like space elevators can work because he watches popsci like Spermzgefart and Eyesack Awfuh.

[Anonymous No.14526946]

>>14526922
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_universe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed-choice_quantum_eraser

[Anonymous No.14526965]

Can my fellow stargazer friends recommend some good apps to track celestial objects in the sky? I'm looking for something that will work regardless of where I am, ie. Asia. So something only for American/European skies wouldn't work.

[Anonymous No.14526973]

>>14526922
>100k
bro if we don't have FTL in 1000 years it's never going to happen

[Anonymous No.14526988]

>>14526554
OR ELSE

[Anonymous No.14527003]

>>14526049
It wouldnt be self sufficient if it relied on earth.due to closeness, so no
Retard

[Anonymous No.14527027]

>>14526275
Starship is the most important part for a Mars colony you absolute mongoloid and most likely the most difficult one
after you can get hundred of tons to Mars, you don't need to worry about mass autism ass much, your lifesupport systems can be larger and have more redundancy etc
everything becomes easier, its literally the most critical component of starting a mars colony

[Anonymous No.14527029]

>>14526554

[Anonymous No.14527037]

>>14527027
This is even more true when you get to biological ISRU - a lot of ecologic loops don't scale down well at all. Contrast a ten gallon fish tank with a pond, and the implications for aquaculture/hydroponics.

[Anonymous No.14527041]

>>14527027
>Starship is the most important part for a Mars colony
It WOULD be important for a Mars colony, but not sufficient for a Mars colony. Key to the success of Mars colonies is having actual colony habitats, which SpaceX has not been working on. Starship does not demonstrate that SpaceX is actually investing in Mars colonization.

All the Mars colonization talk is a flimsy cover story for the National Defense Space Architecture (NDSA.) Look it up, they've been working on this for years. It's the successor to the Brilliant Pebbles proposal, and only SpaceX (ideally with Starship) can build it.

[Anonymous No.14527045]

absolute retard

[Anonymous No.14527046]

>>14527041
Wake up babe new schizo pasta dropped

[Anonymous No.14527050]

>stop talking about our ballistic missile defense program
No.

[Anonymous No.14527051]

How did SpaceX fix this holy shit

[Anonymous No.14527054]

>>14527051
They welded in a new one, what's the big whoop?

[Anonymous No.14527056]

>>14527045
We should just stop replying to him. He just wants attention

[Anonymous No.14527061]

>>14527041
The constrainta of Starship will dictate the optimal equipment to bring to Mars, so deaigning the next step before a previous critical step is done would just be a waste of time

[Anonymous No.14527063]

https://www.sda.mil/home/about-us/faq/

Complete list of companies that have the capability to launch constellations of thousands of satellites: SpaceX

[Anonymous No.14527066]

> the Transport Layer will provide a mesh network comprised of communication satellites that connect to one another and to other space vehicles and ground stations via optical intersatellite links (OISLs).
Sound familiar?

[Anonymous No.14527067]

>>14526965
I use sky map on Android, not 100% sure if it works anywhere but it seems like it

[Anonymous No.14527069]

>>14527063
>>14527041
Yes, retard, we know the advantages of starship to missile defense. This general has been talking about nu-pebbles and starships ability to realize them for years now. This does not mean that spacex doesn’t care about mars colonization, that starship was only built for defense contracts or for sending thousands of satellites up into orbit. This doesn’t mean that the moon is the better place for a colony either in case you’re that fag too
Stop being a contrarian for attention/to feel smarter than everyone else.

[Anonymous No.14527070]

>>14527063
>>14527066
This is specifically not Starlink. Might not be SpaceX either. Uncle Sam always, always, always builds private WANs for the really important shit.

t. knower

[Anonymous No.14527073]

>>14526965
Stellarium of course

>>14527069
>This general has been talking about nu-pebbles and starships ability to realize them for years now.
Only because I've been a broken record about it. I start 90% of the Brilliant Pebble discussions here.

>This does not mean that spacex doesn’t care about mars colonization
If they really did, they'd be funding the development of colony habitats.
>rockets first
Starship will be in serial production in a few years at most; habitat development is decades behind. This doesn't seem to concern SpaceX very much.

[Anonymous No.14527074]

>>14527070

[Anonymous No.14527075]

>>14526851
not if it's headed towards it's perihelon instead of away from it

[Anonymous No.14527077]

>>14527073
Adding these posts to my collection of posts to repost in years when a faggot is proven wrong by the march of time. See you when spacex is designing or funding habitation. See you again when they land on mars and see you again again when a colony is established

[Anonymous No.14527078]

>>14527075
Interception without matching velocities will smack the absolute shit out of the comet a la DART, and change its orbit unpredictably, possibly even fragmenting it.

[Anonymous No.14527079]

>>14527070
Starlink satellites themselves are dual-use technology; absolutely invaluable for military communication. (newsflash: the US DoD has been buying bandwidth on commercial communication satellites for as long as they've existed, this is nothing new.)

The rest of NSDA is not Starlink per-se, however it would be a satellite constellation of roughly equivalent size as Starlink. SpaceX is the only organization in the world that can launch a satellite constellation like this. No other company, country or organization can do what SpaceX can do.

[Anonymous No.14527081]

>>14527077
>See you when spacex is designing or funding habitation.
Okay, see you in 20 years.

[Anonymous No.14527082]

>>14527081
Death is nothing compared to vindication

[Anonymous No.14527087]

>>14527082
I think we'll all have cause to feel vindicated when Elon's BMD system styles all over communist Chinese missiles in WW3.

[Anonymous No.14527089]

>>14527075
SOLAR MOUNTAIN COMES ON THE PERIHELION
NO REROUTING, ONLY COUNTIN' TILL WE'RE DONE
SHOUTIN' SINS UNTIL WE'RE IN THE SUN

[Anonymous No.14527091]

I want to be clear that these delays to the FAA process are essentially meaningless unless they slap starbase with an EIS. Unless there’s an EIS there probably wasn’t any conspiracy, just typical slow bureaucracy and red tape. If they wanted to fuck spacex that would be how to do it

[Anonymous No.14527093]

>>14527091
They don’t want to fuck SpaceX they’re just a slow agency. The US government needs SpaceX and Starship, but they don’t need them in rush time

[Anonymous No.14527094]

>>14527087
I think you’re too retarded to understand me. They will absolutely utilize starship and other spacex technologies for missile defense and national defense in general. We agree on that. I’m just not retarded and unlike you I don’t think the mars stuff is a dog and pony show

[Anonymous No.14527096]

>>14527093
Yep. The retards posting about how it delayed every time sls delayed were very funny. SLS has been getting delayed for at least the past 5 years, you could probably correlate a lot to announcements of SLS delays.

[Anonymous No.14527098]

What does /sfg/ think of “All Tomorrows” ?

[Anonymous No.14527099]

>>14527098
Anime is for pedos

[Anonymous No.14527101]

So when is the FAA gonna approve starship?

[Anonymous No.14527104]

>>14527099
Someone needs to update this chinese room's protocols, it's not coherent

[Anonymous No.14527109]

>>14527096
Then you remember that Booster 4 and Ship 20 would have been launched as a test flight months ago if not for regulatory shenanigans. Remember when the reason given was replying to public commentary?

[Anonymous No.14527110]

>>14527101
They're certainly not doing it before Tuesday because of the holiday, but Tuesday is actually looking fairly likely

[Anonymous No.14527111]

>>14527104
Don’t care what you pretend it is. Your Chinese drawings are for pedos

[Anonymous No.14527114]

>>14527099
>>14527111
It’s a book written by a Turkish guy you mongoloid retard

[Anonymous No.14527116]

>>14527110
wow really? excited mode: activate

[Anonymous No.14527117]

>>14527098
>>14527114
it's creepy fetish bait

[Anonymous No.14527118]

>>14527109
If they approve now it was still fairly fast by FAA standards. Yeah it was delayed by bureaucrats being bureaucrats. Welcome to America. It wasn’t some Biden plot to make SLS launch first.
If Biden’s admin had that kind of control over the FAA the retarded and embarrassing 5g fiasco wouldn’t have happened over and over. That demonstrated to me that the FAA isn’t malicious it’s just incompetent in the extreme.
Note that people tried to pin the ‘retirements’ resulting from that on anti-spacex purges as well.
And, again, if they wanted to destroy starship they’d just use and EIS.

[Anonymous No.14527120]

>>14527118
>>14527110
It’s crazy how everyone is suddenly optimistic again. A week ago Eric Berger said Starship probably would fly in 2023 lol

[Anonymous No.14527122]

>people actually think B7 will launch
spacex never even done a full 33 engine static fire and you dumbasses actually think it wont fucking explode the first time they try that shit. delusional spacex stan doesnt begin to describe you

[Anonymous No.14527125]

>>14527122
Ok so B8 flies then

[Anonymous No.14527126]

>>14527120
I don’t think it’ll launch the next day, I think it’ll be approved Soon and I’m certain it won’t get an EIS.
Also even after they get the FONSI they still have to wait a bit more for the actual rubber stamp because bureaucrats are gay

[Anonymous No.14527128]

>>14527126
Yeah but if they got approval to launch tomorrow it would still take months to get B7 (B8 probably) and S 24 ready for flight. I honestly think SLS flies first because it’s done already but still

[Anonymous No.14527130]

>>14527125
Sure. is that before or after it blows the fuck up?

[Anonymous No.14527131]

Is there actually any western space themed cartoon? Like something somewhat hard-ish scifi, not Buzz Lightyear or some shit.

[Anonymous No.14527132]

>>14527130
So B9 flies.

[Anonymous No.14527133]

>>14527132
correction: B9 explodes

i can do this all day

[Anonymous No.14527134]

>>14527131
No western cartoons are almost universally aimed at kids.

[Anonymous No.14527135]

>>14527133
They’ll try until it works

[Anonymous No.14527137]

>>14527128
Ball is 100% is SLS’ court. It’s WDR is June and even if that goes well it’s first launch possibility is august. I honestly think it won’t launch till November. June WDR failure > September WDR success after hurricane delays > October scrubs >November launch
I’m praying for a 2023 launch because the seething over that Berger tweet will be delicious

[Anonymous No.14527138]

>>14527091
>meaningless
Wrong. The longer you delay, the most cost it incurs to SpaceX's plans for Starlink/Starship/etc. The more they delay, the more it gives competitors a chance to shine. The more it gets delayed, the more our enemies have a chance to catch up. The more it gets delayed, the higher chance we have of Earth's potential extinction, Etc etc.

The cost incurred today needs to be paid back by the future humans

[Anonymous No.14527139]

>>14527081
More like 3-4 years

[Anonymous No.14527142]

>>14527135
yeah just like they did with the N1...

[Anonymous No.14527144]

>>14527138
The delays only help Amazon/BlueOrigin/ULA/China/Russia/RocketLabs/SLS/JoeBiden/etc

SpaceX is the only one losing money. The longer the regulatory delays, the longer it will take time to study up on their Starship/Starlink/Mars plan.

[Anonymous No.14527146]

>>14527142
N1 would’ve worked eventually. They were slowly fixing the issues. And the next N1 (which never flew) had upgraded engines that could be tested on the ground.

>>14527137
I think Starship will have a decently okay series of tests leading up to the orbital flight. If SLS is delayed to mid autumn, starship might beat it

[Anonymous No.14527147]

>>14527144
>SpaceX is the only one losing money
American space dominance being delayed could potentially lead to America's destructions. Biden team trying to sink SpaceX for a quick short term victory is a terrible political plan.

[Anonymous No.14527149]

>>14527138
>>14527144
So why don’t they force an EIS? It would be trivially easy and would incur a lot more monetary and temporal loss on spacex. Since obviously they have such great influence on the process.

[Anonymous No.14527150]

>>14527149
There's a nuclear bomb option and there's bleeding the spacex option.

[Anonymous No.14527151]

>>14527149
>>14527147
>>14527144
Biden and company don’t give a shit about SpaceX en made. Aside from some senators in SLS districts, SpaceX is not even an afterthought.

[Anonymous No.14527153]

>>14527149
It cost nothing to delay forever as they incur no penalty and is covered by legal loopholes while still achieving the same objective as EIS.

[Anonymous No.14527156]

>>14527146
I just don’t see SLS launching before late September even if it’s next WDR is perfect due to the weather in the late hurricane season. And I cannot imagine its next WDR being a total success since they couldn’t even get through the first one and it had so many trivial but critical failures… how many more minor but essential parts haven’t even been tested?

[Anonymous No.14527157]

>>14527151
The most important company in the world for the future of American civilization/military dominance in space is an afterthought? LMAO

[Anonymous No.14527158]

>>14527156
I have a lot of faith in Artemis 1 going well during the flight but damn I just read about how shit the WDR went

[Anonymous No.14527159]

>>14527157
No one cares about spaceflight but men like us

[Anonymous No.14527160]

>>14527153
>>14527150
EIS is not a nuclear bomb and it is a much more more significant delay. It’s a very easy thing to do for the FAA.
You have no basis for this conspiracy except conjecture which falls apart when one tries to follow that train of logic. If there’s no EIS then there was no successful conspiracy within the FAA or foisted upon the FAA. But keep your complex as important victims.

[Anonymous No.14527161]

>>14527147
This. Opposing SpaceX is tantamount to treason.

[Anonymous No.14527163]

>>14527160
Why is EIS a significant delay when FAA can continuously delay for years or decades with no legal recourse? With an EIS, SpaceX could directly fight in court. Without it, they're left in limbo.

[Anonymous No.14527164]

>>14527158
I don’t have any faith in Orion. I’m not convinced it won’t fail in a way that necessitates another empty test launch like Artemis I before the planned Artemis II manned landing.

[Anonymous No.14527166]

Dumb FAA niggers are going to create the destruction of American civilization.

[Anonymous No.14527167]

>>14527163
Cool. They won’t delay for years let alone decades. Sneed and feed about it. Remember this post you made

[Anonymous No.14527169]

>>14527167
They've been delayed for a year already. A series of month by month delay is imminent. SpaceX is finished. The only way to move forward is to bring a lawsuit against Biden admin and accuse Biden admin of treason.

[Anonymous No.14527174]

>>14527169
Starting early on the sneeding and feeding I see.

[Anonymous No.14527175]

>>14527169
or just that he was never legitimately elected so everything the executive branch has done since 2021-01-20 is invalid
>including collect taxes
>haha refund go BRRRRRR

[Anonymous No.14527176]

I don’t care what /sfg/ says, “The Martian” is great

[Anonymous No.14527178]

>>14527151
The overt snubbing of both Tesla and SpaceX by the Biden admin are not going unnoticed.

[Anonymous No.14527179]

>>14527175
do people still actually believe this is going to happen? This is getting worse than the Democrat conspiracies when bush beat gore. even if he did cheat, your ebin takebacksies won’t happen.

[Anonymous No.14527180]

>>14527169

[Anonymous No.14527182]

>>14527178
The consequences has already been felt, the division within Tesla fans and Biden admin has happened. SpaceX fans and Biden admin will have their reckoning when FAA delays yet another month.

[Anonymous No.14527185]

>>14527182
It will be approved on tuesday and elon will thank biden (it prooves biden was in favor of spacex all along)

[Anonymous No.14527190]

>>14527176
>oh noooooo! wind on maaaaaaaars!
>why did we ever come here when there's wiiiiiiiind on maaaaaars!

[Anonymous No.14527191]

>>14527176
There can never be a competent space movie (or movies) in general. Always one or two person trying to subvert the chain of command, always one person not following procedures, always one person failing, always doing the wrong thing at the wrong time, always.

The drama for the sake of drama is nonsense.

[Anonymous No.14527193]

>>14527176
>AAAAA NOOOO NOT THE HECKIN RADIATIONARINOS AAAA

[Anonymous No.14527194]

>>14527190
retard, there's tons of wind on mars. hurricane speed winds

[Anonymous No.14527196]

>>14527193
there's tons of radiation on mars.
and perkolorates

[Anonymous No.14527197]

>>14527194
No there aren’t. Also the idea that humans would prepare for that is retarded. We can deal with actual hurricanes on earth

[Anonymous No.14527199]

>>14527196
>Martian fan
>wrong about mars
Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.14527198]

>>14527197
Wow, I actually am amazed how stupid you proved to be. Keep posting, let's see how much stupider you get.

[Anonymous No.14527211]

>>14527194
>retard, there's tons of wind on mars
The highest wind speed ever recorded on the surface of Mars was 113 km/h but it's the equivalent to a light breeze on Earth. That part of The Martian is complete bullshit and you should lurk more.

[Anonymous No.14527213]

>>14527198
>The Martian begins with a catastrophic dust storm on Mars that leaves astronaut Mark Watney, played by Matt Damon, presumed dead and stranded on Mars. It’s a gripping start, but “man was it bad science,” says Rice. [Tony Rice, NASA JPL Ambassador]

>“It is physically impossible for wind to do that there.”

>While massive dust storms on Mars can have hurricane force winds, it won’t pack the same punch as it does on Earth. Mars’ atmosphere is a hundred times thinner than ours and with less molecules to be blown around, the force exerted by wind is much, much less. A 60 mph wind gust on Mars would feel closer to 6 mph on Earth.
You finished yet?
>oh but they say hurricane force!
I don’t conflate force with speed on a 1:1 basis and neither should you.

[Anonymous No.14527217]

>>14527211
so basically you proved me right, good job

[Anonymous No.14527225]

>>14527217
you implied the winds would be something to worry about, they aren't
hurricane speed on mars is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.14527228]

>>14527217
Knew you would cope like this
Btw I know you’re telling yourself you’re pretending to be retarded but it’s not pretend

[Anonymous No.14527245]

I work on the DoD Nuclear propulsion project. We recently made a significant breakthrough. Expect radical and total change.
Instead of trying to go faster than light, we tried to go faster than time. The results were unspeakable.
Mans grasp finally exceeds his imagination.

[Anonymous No.14527248]

>>14527245
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.14527249]

>>14527245
How will you deal with the huricane level winds on Mars?

[Anonymous No.14527255]

>>14527249
q=.5*rho*v^2

[Anonymous No.14527260]

>>14527245
There are not nearly enough world-ending neglectful precursor artifacts or sexy, breedable, alien space babes to believe you.

[Anonymous No.14527262]

>>14527255
fus ro dah

[Anonymous No.14527362]

>>14527098
Interesting, but silly. Especially stuff like the flat fucks.

[Anonymous No.14527363]

>>14527073
Wrong you fucking retard, SpaceX has already hosted workshops with several universities and companies (such as caterpillar) on designing mars specific heavy equipment and selecting martian landing sites. You're so fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.14527421]

>>14525928
Shit, judge should just let them use the beach, as long as they know they're doing it at their own risk.

[Anonymous No.14527439]

>>14525928
Kek you can tell the author thinks they’re full of shit
>The club alleged the beach was closed for 196 hours (the equivalent of about 8 days) in the first three months of 2022, and that 2021 saw more than 600 hours (roughly 25 equivalent days) of closures.
Next line
>"The defendants have closed Boca Chica beach so frequently that RGV [Rio Grande Valley] residents have seen their access essentially disappear. The Carrizo/Comecrudo Nation of Texas, which holds the land of Boca Chica sacred, has been ignored while they lose access to their ancestral heritage," the club stated.
This is how you write an article to make people look stupid haha. I doubt anyone anyone living near there is an indigenous person - they’re at most mestizo. it’s clearly a front for people mad about other shit, and the “residents” number less than 20. The sierra club is just paid activists

[Anonymous No.14527505]

>>14526824
There's obviously something to be said about not being a defeatist about your wants and goals but of course normies will always twist a reasonable mindset into its least effective negative shadow, in this case changing "You have to believe you can do something in order to stay effectively motivated and work effectively towards it until you achieve your goal" into "literally just think about how you want stuff and it will eventually happen". Normies are poison and I want to get millions of kilometers away from them.

KSR is a bit of a commie fag retard and the narratives in his books are shit BUT he does have a good point about the fact that space civilization will consist of a population of people that recognize and solve problems and don't just whine about them, and do so very effectively because they have zero previous cultural history (aka stubborn normies) chaining them down. Souls free from gravity and all that.

[Anonymous No.14527513]

>>14526852
>>14526856
Encountering matter with an FTL warp bubble is about as exotic as physics gets and it's definitely not as simple as classical impact dynamics "but faster". For example, at FTL relative speeds matter shouldn't even be able to "communicate" through the fundamental forces at all, and therefore should behave almost as ghostlike as neutrinos. After all, the only reason an impactor deposits energy into its target is because the particles are exchanging virtual photons that decrease in wavelength (increase in energy) as the distance decreases, as is my dumbass understanding.
Also as the other anon pointed out if you're warping space anyway you can probably inflate a point of almost zero size in front of you up to the volume your ship fits into and then recollapse it behind you, making it statistically less likely to hit even one nucleon while flying through a lightyear of neutron star material than a neutrino has of hitting a nucleus while passing through a lightyear of lead.

[Anonymous No.14527522]

>>14527041
>Key to the success of Mars colonies is having actual colony habitats, which SpaceX has not been working on.
Ah yes, the thing they need to get Starship functioning for before they have any chance of building and using, the thing that hinges completely on Starship operating economically enough to launch Starlink satellites and get the constellation fully operational, the thing that Starlink is going to fund one day if it ever manages to break even and become significantly profitable. Those habitats, the ones that lay behind TWO giant technological and economic barriers that SpaceX is currently focusing 99% of their efforts on. They don't have them yet, so they never will. Those things.

[Anonymous No.14527525]

>>14527051
It's literally a metal tube anon

[Anonymous No.14527545]

>>14527075
You need to match velocities no matter what, anon, and since orbits are a combination of kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy it doesn't matter where you meet up, you still pay the toll.
The only situations in which you can match velocities for free are if you encounter a planet with a really exceptionally large and heavy moon, and gravity assist into an orbit around the planet, OR you slam into an atmosphere and aerobrake to match velocities with that planet (or Titan). You know what you get if you encounter a comet? Like fuckin 30 km/s of relative velocity, unless you go 50 AU away from the Sun, in which case good luck with your 3 km/s capture burn after your 100 year transfer towards encounter.
We already have a free ride to the deep outer solar system anyway, it's called a Jupiter gravity assist. As a reminder, a vanilla fully fueled Starship in LEO can push 150,000 kg of payload mass to Jupiter encounter, upon which a gravity assist can send that 150,000 kg of payload literally anywhere in the solar system up to and including Sedna depending on your encounter angle, periapsis distance, and of course accuracy.
The only reason you'd want to ride a comet is if you were sending some kind of super advanced automated factory ship that would arrive and immediately start mining and converting that comet into some kind of useful collection of machines, or, a human colony seed ship that would do the same thing, probably with some kind of goal to use those resources to live and grow on the way out before maneuvering to colonize more targets once very far from the Sun. Basically weirdo space island.

[Anonymous No.14527549]

>>14527098
That guy needs to get back to Snaiad and stop trying to fuck around with high concept crap

[Anonymous No.14527553]

>>14527122
>you dumbasses actually think it wont fucking explode the first time they try that shit.
Why would it? Be honest

[Anonymous No.14527554]

>>14527176
It was decent. Ending should have followed the theme of human perseverance and problem solving by showcasing improved, longer duration, better Mars exploration. I think the book ends with main character man calling a student a retard for asking if he'd go to Mars again one day.

[Anonymous No.14527562]

>>14527194
Wind speeds don't matter. Dynamic pressure matters. 113 km/h winds on Mars are less forceful than 10 km/h winds on Venus' surface. Speaking of which, can't wait for a probe similar to that 8m wide steel Venusian nuclear balloon to catch footage of a breeze on Venus tossing pebbles around on the surface. Can't wait for a next gen giant Venus near-surface probe in general, the kino generated may elevate Venus towards Mars status in terms of space culture significance

[Anonymous No.14527563]

>>14527157
>>14527159

[Anonymous No.14527564]

It’s fun when the Americans wake up and start yelling at the yurotards who posted when they were asleep

[Anonymous No.14527565]

>>14527562

[Anonymous No.14527571]

>>14527196
>there's tons of radiation on mars.
Less radiation on Mars than in low Earth orbit, and on Mars you have infinite shielding material to stack overhead. The typical Mars settlement will have radiation levels lower than what's inside your home, right now.
>and perkolorates
Perchlorates, yes, the chemicals so toxic that they only affect thyroid function and only in a way which can be completely mitigated by taking a pill with no side effects. Truly a major barrier to settlement. Perchlorates are also easy to clean off of and out of anything coming in from outside, such as exterior suit garments and actual bulk regolith for farming, using water. The perchlorate-laden water can then be purified using a reverse osmosis column. Over time the very dangerous concentrated salt water produced by reverse osmosis backwashing would need to be either dumped or processed to remove the various dissolved ions as useful material feedstock, oooh scary I'm full of FUD just thinking about it.

[Anonymous No.14527575]

>>14527245
I don't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.14527580]

>>14527439
I'm a native american and I hate "muh ancestral heritage" faggots so much it's unreal. Especially when it's white people trying to swoop in and defend us, like fuck off. This attitude that we need to preserve first nations peoples and their lands in perpetuity is why we're all fucking poor and dying off, we have zero economic opportunities beyond selling cheap gas and cigarettes.

[Anonymous No.14527586]

>>14527563
What's really cool is how rapidly the attitude among antihumanists is flipping from "space has nothing in it really and you're wasting your time" to "NOOO YOU CAN'T LEAVE YOU'RE STEALING RESOURCES IT'S IMMORAL YOU HAVE TO FIX EARTH FIRST"
Goes to show how much progress is being made towards actual space colonization that these people are taking it seriously enough to freak out about it actually happening.

[Anonymous No.14527587]

>>14527564
That was me, I have 9 posts in a row in this thread lol

[Anonymous No.14527591]

>>14527565
I need this to happen, if only to mog all previous robotic space probes. Definitely keep the ridiculous font on there too

[Anonymous No.14527608]

>>14527580
Hey now, you’ve also got prostitution, arts and crafts and casinos.

[Anonymous No.14527613]

What will be the new excuse?

[Anonymous No.14527615]

>>14527613
Dog ate our permit

[Anonymous No.14527616]

>>14527613
>bureaucracy is hard :^)

[Anonymous No.14527617]

>>14527098
spaceflight?

[Anonymous No.14527620]

>>14527613
3 gorillion comments

[Anonymous No.14527629]

>chinese make a mission patch
>it's literally just a rocket lab patch
lmao

[Anonymous No.14527637]

>>14527608
Canadian :/ We're even less cool than the american natives

[Anonymous No.14527644]

>>14527565
Why doesn't NASA name their probes something badass like fucking LEVIATHAN?

[Anonymous No.14527645]

>>14527629
>Ceres-1 is a four-stage rocket, the first three stages use solid-propellant rocket motors and the final stage uses a hydrazine propulsion system.
>"privately developed" rocket that uses solid motors and hydrazine final stage
This is just the PLA trying to figure out alternative uses for their old ICBMs under the guise of private enterprise, isn't it?

much innovative
very new
much wow

[Anonymous No.14527656]

>>14527645
As long as it works...

[Anonymous No.14527664]

>>14527656
It'll work but it'll never have any significance or present any sort of competition to the US when it displays such a total lack of innovation.

The entire Chinese newspace sector suffers from similar issues.

[Anonymous No.14527668]

>>14527644
Because if its some small dinky probe that would be fucking gay

[Anonymous No.14527679]

>>14527645
>>14527664
To further drive home my point, the Ceres-1 rocket is the same height, same number of stages, and same appearance as the Long March 11. Ceres-1 is Long March 11, with the fourth stage being replaced with hypergolics. Long March 11 is likely derived from the Dong Feng 31, an ICBM.

[Anonymous No.14527690]

>>14527679
Chinese "private space industry" is a joke, it's pure face-saving and only exists so that the party can point at chinese surface-level equivalents to Falcon 9 and other western modern launch vehicles.

[Anonymous No.14527761]

[Anonymous No.14527770]

>>14527565
>melts

[Anonymous No.14527774]

>>14527645
Worked for the US, didn't it?

[Anonymous No.14527800]

FAA please hurry up, the nuclear level cringe every thread must end. We need new speculation material.

[Anonymous No.14527826]

booster static when. I wanna see if it can work

[Anonymous No.14527843]

Doubt space-x will be ready to fly soon after losing so many tiles. i think we still need like 20 more raptor 2 engines so even if FAA approves we gotta fix all that aaaaand do cryo / static fires for ship and boost. Good chance bosster doesnt survive testing.

https://youtu.be/I8-61AzLnlA
here is a video of F9 full 9 engine static fire from nov 2008. recall first flight was june 2010. we probably have years to go for starship

[Anonymous No.14527854]

>>14526845
>t. doesn't understand orbital mechanics

[Anonymous No.14527857]

[Anonymous No.14527879]

>>14527114
entartete kunst

[Anonymous No.14527894]

[Anonymous No.14527918]

>>14527843
SpaceX is unironically rushing Starship so it’ll fly ASAP after completing a 33 engine static fire

[Anonymous No.14527926]

https://spacenews.com/nasa-to-reexamine-space-based-solar-power/

> WASHINGTON — NASA is starting a study to reexamine the viability of space-based solar power, a long-touted solution to providing power from space that may be getting new interest thanks to technological advances and pushes for clean energy.

[Anonymous No.14527928]

>>14527770
its not THAT hot

[Anonymous No.14527937]

>>14527926
retarded because casey handmer said so.

[Anonymous No.14527940]

>>14527926
>reexamine the viability of a long-touted solution
So they finally started listening and it only took decades

[Anonymous No.14527943]

>>14527926
Too bad microwave energy beaming sucks.

[Anonymous No.14527944]

>>14527926

[Anonymous No.14527956]

>>14527944

>>14527943
yeah wasn't it way more ineffective even if solar power was free? the equipment on the ground will need to be close to the size of just putting solar panels instead, but I guess you could free up some space from the batteries that might not be needed with a setup like this

[Anonymous No.14527960]

>>14527956

[Anonymous No.14527968]

If space based solar actually made financial sense, it would be good for space I think, another financial incentive to improve and launch rockets and generally mass to space

[Anonymous No.14527975]

>>14527770
it was only a problem on shittle because most of it is made out of aerotism-grade aluminum

[Anonymous No.14527991]

>>14527937
Fakey Handjob is a big dumb fag

[Anonymous No.14527992]

>>14527645
>Fuck everything, we're doing FIVE stages!
>Would someone tell me how this happened? We were the fucking vanguard of rocketry in this country. The Long March3 was the rocket to own. Then the other guy came out with a three-stage rocket. Were we scared? Hell, no. Because we hit back with a little thing called the Long March3Turbo. That's three stages and an aloe strut. For moisture. But you know what happened next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happened—the bastards went to four stages. Now we're standing around with our cocks in our hands, selling three stages and a strut. Moisture or no, suddenly we're the chumps. Well, fuck it. We're going to five stages.

[Anonymous No.14528006]

>>14527956
Rectennas are actually quite efficient, but the problem is actually beaming that power to the rectenna. At longer wavelengths of microwave power, you have diffraction problems. This means you need a huge transmitter and still need a huge receiver too. You could increase the frequency you use to get a tighter beam focus, but atmospheric attenuation limits you when you try that.

If you try to solve this problem using arrays of smaller antennas, you run headfirst into the thinned-array curse. Basically, a large synthetic aperture can shrink your beam size but the power transmitted drops proportionally, so there's actually no advantage.

[Anonymous No.14528019]

>>14528006
how big are we talking about here? What if you wanted the electric power equivalent of a typical nuclear power reactor (500 MW)?

[Anonymous No.14528057]

>>14528019
>how big are we talking about here?
Kilometers across to get useful efficiencies. But that's kilometers of proper dish, not kilometers of synthetic aperture of an array of smaller dishes. It has to be a real dish that big, to get efficient power transmission.

[Anonymous No.14528076]

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>>14528074
>>14528074
>>14528074
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[Anonymous No.14528077]

stage it

[Anonymous No.14528142]

>>14527774
No, US ICBM derived rockets were all publicly admitted as such, whether whole vehicles (Redstone, Atlas, Titan, Delta, Athena, Minotaur, etc.) or as parts (LR-87, Castor solid rocket, etc.). Newspace is actually working in the other direction, providing the Space Force military access to new commercial capabilities. China is coping and seething as usual.

[Anonymous No.14528226]

>Sierra Club is suing SpaceX

oh here we go, they are getting their campaign started https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/194-sierra-club/

[Anonymous No.14528307]

>>14527992
I miss golden age Onion columns.

[Anonymous No.14528321]

>>14527770
475 C doesn't melt shit. It would cook your electronics though, which is why that thing uses nuclear power to run an AC unit that pulls heat out of the little well-insulated can which houses everything sensitive to high temps.
Every bygone Venus surface mission proposal has supposed that their design will be energy poor and thus unable to pull off active cooling. This proposal says fuck that, kilowatts of continuous power, active cooling = thousands of hours of probe life easy, and by the way the thing flies so if the heat pump can't keep up it can just move to a higher, colder layer of atmosphere periodically to dump excess heat.

[Anonymous No.14528333]

>>14527843
>SpaceX in 2008 was an actualy start-up company with almost no resources. Modern SpaceX is an industry juggernaut. They are no longer betting the farm that the first launch works, in fact they can save money and improve the product faster by budgeting in like 5 launch failures before hammering out the problems.

[Anonymous No.14528338]

>>14527857
That "deep space boundary" seems really arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.14528345]

>>14527894
Very quaint, now replace it with a 12 meter wide steel pressure vessel welded together in-situ using a 150 ton roll of sheet metal brought to the Moon by a Starship and see the difference