/sfg/ - Space Flight General: On Transit Edition

[Anonymous No.12798559]

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[Anonymous No.12798574]

>>12798559
New Glenn was supposed to fly in 2019. If it flies in 2023, it would’ve been delayed four years. That’s as bad as SLS (2017-2021) lol

[Anonymous No.12798575]

>>12798561
Elon likes to post Krystal just to fuck with people.

[Anonymous No.12798579]

>partially reusable
>medium lift
>2024

[Anonymous No.12798580]

Quick! Tell me some new innovative way how to propel a ship into orbit.

[Anonymous No.12798582]

>>12798575
No, that's you and you do it because you're a furfag.

[Anonymous No.12798584]

>>12798575
>Elon likes to post Krystal just to fuck with people.
Where has Elon ever posted Krystal? I get the distinct impression you are a charlatan, sir.

[Anonymous No.12798585]

Get your ass to Mars

[Anonymous No.12798586]

>>12798584
Obviously he doesn't do it by name.

[Anonymous No.12798587]

>>12798579
Yeah they are ngmi, but then again no one else is lmao.

[Anonymous No.12798589]

>>12798579
i like them. plucky underdogs.

[Anonymous No.12798590]

>>12798574
>phrase is "step-by-step ferociously"
>decides to skip a huge step by going straight from a suborbital carnival ride to a reusable heavy lift rocket

[Anonymous No.12798595]

https://fb.watch/43jC0b35KM/

[Anonymous No.12798597]

>>12798580
rockoons!

[Anonymous No.12798598]

>>12798586
>Obviously he doesn't do it by name.
Bruh, you can't even point to an instance of Anons posting Krystal on SFG.

[Anonymous No.12798599]

>>12798580
what if you spun something really really fast and then released it?

[Anonymous No.12798601]

>>12798574
What is the purpose for rocket fanboi-ism always being expressed as "Yay, everybody's rocket but the one I like is terrible!?" More spaceships is better than fewer spaceships. I hope they are all successful.

[Anonymous No.12798602]

>>12798580

[Anonymous No.12798605]

>>12798590
They should’ve made a stretched New Shepard and flew that five years ago

[Anonymous No.12798606]

>>12798590

[Anonymous No.12798607]

>>12798580
An enormous ramp above the atmosphere

[Anonymous No.12798610]

God damn I hate this attention whoring furry fuck newfag.

[Anonymous No.12798614]

>>12798599
jesus. what are they doing these days?

[Anonymous No.12798620]

They look so small from out here

[Anonymous No.12798621]

>>12798601
Do you want every football team to win? No, you have a favorite. I also hate Bezos.

>>12798606
What did SpaceX have that Blue didn’t?

[Anonymous No.12798624]

>>12798606
Exclusive, premium tier copium.

[Anonymous No.12798625]

>>12798580

[Anonymous No.12798632]

>>12798601
>Sansha's Nation Nighthawk Class Battleship
>Nighthawk

[Anonymous No.12798634]

>>12798580
NSWR from inside the atmosphere

[Anonymous No.12798635]

>>12798610
Report him and don't mention him again.

[Anonymous No.12798642]

>>12798580
Air breathing nuclear aerospike

[Anonymous No.12798644]

>>12798634
why do you hate us?

[Anonymous No.12798648]

>>12798634
ecofags are seething at this

[Anonymous No.12798653]

>>12798621
>Do you want every football team to win?
That's a bad analogy. The purpose of a football game is to determine one winner. The purpose of opening up spaceflight to the corporate world was to get more, better, cheaper spaceships. That really works if there are multiple competitive ships flying, from multiple companies.

I'm sure I am not alone here in hoping that affordable space travel for "just folks" is a thing before I am dead. Best chance of that is for lots of successful rockets.

If your goal is just to hate Bezos, maybe hope that his rockets get better but he gets impacted wisdom teeth or something.

[Anonymous No.12798654]

>>12798621
>What did SpaceX have that Blue didn’t?
drive. BO handed a blank check to oldspace engineers who were used to milking contracts. Bad recipe.

[Anonymous No.12798658]

>>12798625

[Anonymous No.12798660]

>>12798580

Not a space elevator but a space escalator. .

[Anonymous No.12798663]

>>12798580
Boosters and first stage propelled by electric thrusters, which are powered by an electric arc from the surface.

[Anonymous No.12798665]

>>12798660
>Use a space ewevator

[Anonymous No.12798670]

>>12798618
based Elon

[Anonymous No.12798678]

>>12798653
criticism of jeff would lower if he just rolled out one fucking rocket, or a tank, or something.
the whole operation looks like a potemkin city. 20 years and nothing but a fancy sounding rocket that hardly flies looks like a guy with too much money trying to recreate a dead industry that already has companies scrabbling around trying to move away from it.

[Anonymous No.12798685]

>>12798606
SpaceX slogan is "fuck it, it works in Kerbal Space Program"

[Anonymous No.12798692]

>>12798580
fusion reactor powered multi-propellant sabre engines.

[Anonymous No.12798693]

>>12798586
>>12798584
see
>>12798670

[Anonymous No.12798696]

>>12798579
>vague on the specifics
>laser focused on arbitrary payload capacity

Ok mr beck

[Anonymous No.12798702]

>>12798696
>Hey we’ll take the Cygnus launch market!!!!!
Cygnus flies like twice a year you fucking retards

[Anonymous No.12798705]

>>12798590
A suborbital carnival ride that never worked too

[Anonymous No.12798720]

>>12798670
What's it called when you're not a furry but you would smash Krystal harder than SN10 did when it hit the ground?

[Anonymous No.12798721]

>>12798705
They tested the abort system back in 2016, yet they still have yet to fly people? Shits whack as fuck.

[Anonymous No.12798729]

>>12798678
the recent facility videos were depressing. So much empty space good lord.
Frankly they'd probably be better off if they just swallowed their pride and went the spacex approach of just blowing shit up. But doing that after all this time would mean eating a truckload of crow so I doubt they will.

[Anonymous No.12798735]

ok mr hobbit man

[Anonymous No.12798738]

>>12798720
Furry

[Anonymous No.12798743]

>>12798720
Straight.
You're only a furry if you want to be an animal person, have a fursona, etc.

[Anonymous No.12798745]

>>12798735
What company is this for?

[Anonymous No.12798746]

>>12798720
"I'm not a furry BUT"

[Anonymous No.12798751]

>>12798729
They could but the problem is that New Glenn is isogrid and is like $200 million to build

[Anonymous No.12798752]

>>12798729
i mean what are we to expect? one day suddenly a completed flight-ready new glenn is going to roll down to the pad and launch? when there's been no testing of any note? when even their engines delivered to ula are a bit suspect?

[Anonymous No.12798754]

>>12798720
Non-fursona furries just need to repent
Fursona/feral furries need a bullet to the head

[Anonymous No.12798756]

>>12798720
Normal.
(This also applies to Lola Bunny)
>>12798743
This. Furries are cringe. Furry porn is (sometimes) based

[Anonymous No.12798757]

>>12798735
they're getting into space trucking.

[Anonymous No.12798759]

>>12798745
Rocket Lab

[Anonymous No.12798760]

[Anonymous No.12798761]

>>12798685
SpaceX = Fuck it, we're doing it live.

[Anonymous No.12798765]

>>12798735
mmmm
Predigjons

[Anonymous No.12798768]

>>12798721
Probably not profitable without charging insane....

[Anonymous No.12798770]

>>12798759
Economists translate pls

[Anonymous No.12798776]

>>12798692
These sabre engines look very interesting.

[Anonymous No.12798780]

>>12798770
Rocket lab says they will magically get a billion dollars in non-describes space systems revenue, as well as doing over 100 launches a year
In 4-5 years time

[Anonymous No.12798781]

>>12798770
they're predicting revenue to go up parabolically and to start breaking even ~2023

which is doubtful, given that starship exists and neutron doesn't

[Anonymous No.12798789]

>>12798780
>100 launches a year
as a stimulus package every person on earth will get a launched cubesat.

[Anonymous No.12798801]

>>12798781
>Start breaking even in 2023
What the fuuuuuuckkkkkkk? How?

>>12798768
Not gonna lie, if Starship craps out my plan is to save $250K for a new Shepard hop

[Anonymous No.12798804]

>>12798579
Miles ahead of anyone not named SpaceX, propulsive landing before 2025 is the right choice, better to go for an incrementally larger payload capacity than get stuck New Glenning it for a decade.

They've proven they can get a rocket out to market for less than 100m and that was their first try, it's roughly similar to what SpaceX was providing with the block. Apparently the 8,000 kg payload is perfect for mega constellations, that the average payload to a single plane is under that value which makes sense. Don't get the hate for them, not to mention their satellite building, electron, and photon markets. Much better than any other SPAC.

[Anonymous No.12798808]

>>12798804
Dude RocketLab is gonna get fucked. At least New Gregg flies in 2023

[Anonymous No.12798809]

>>12798601
EVE online has the best ships, if i could inject the covenant from halo into EVE then it would be perfect.
>https://eve-files.com/media/corp/davikrendar/eve_shipchart_apocrypha_edition.jpg

[Anonymous No.12798814]

>>12798804
The valuation is stretched. $4B on a revenue in the double digit millions is silly. Not as silly as Virgin being valued at $18B with zero (0) revenue, but still silly.

The big problem for Rocket Lab is that even if Neutron is on schedule and competitive with Falcon 9, by 2024 Starship will be flying commercial missions.

[Anonymous No.12798815]

>>12798804
underdog whos ceo was a machinist. no billionaire company background, just a bloke who wanted to build rockets. i'm rooting for them.

[Anonymous No.12798827]

>>12798808
>At least New Gregg flies in 2023
lol

[Anonymous No.12798828]

>>12798580
Cylinder of cryogenic compressed braps

[Anonymous No.12798829]

>>12798559
SpaceX’s plan for Boca Chica.

[Anonymous No.12798833]

>>12798829
Needs higher res

[Anonymous No.12798837]

>>12798814
we live in a world where a piece of phone software used by children to send pictures of their genitals to each other is worth $86b. none of those numbers seem silly when compared to the current state of market valuations in general.

[Anonymous No.12798838]

>>12798809
Have you seen the book that has the cutaways from all the frigates? I love how the pilot capsule is in the center of the ship where it's most protected.
My favourite is the Gallente party ship with the strippers and drugs and the guy throwing up in the toilet

[Anonymous No.12798840]

>>12798829
>>12798833
Ah sorry here you go.

[Anonymous No.12798843]

>>12798833
see >>12798375

[Anonymous No.12798849]

>>12798580
Attach giant engines to Earth and push it away from the ship

[Anonymous No.12798851]

>>12798833

[Anonymous No.12798866]

>>12798808
Remains to be seen exactly what new glenn is gonna do. Cadence and stuff is for it gonna be interesting.

>>12798814
Valuation is a meme at this point lol, Virgin literally never had a real business case and it did that. They have hardware and provide service to a niche, worse things have been done.

[Anonymous No.12798868]

>>12798840
No trenches for those orbital mounts?

[Anonymous No.12798870]

Reminder that the Mars will be a liberal democracy

[Anonymous No.12798879]

>>12798870
probably. like any other first world country.

[Anonymous No.12798882]

>>12798870
I thought it would be a direct democracy? Anyhow at least for the first 20 years it’ll just be people being given orders from Earth to build this and that

[Anonymous No.12798884]

>>12798870
Obviously. Anything else will collapse.
And you clearly mean real liberalism, not the meme kind that's fashionable now.

[Anonymous No.12798889]

>>12798870
you know damn well those hippies will refuse to go outside of first world standards for even a second
They'll last about a week without internet or st*rbugs

[Anonymous No.12798900]

>>12798889
>he doesn't know what a liberal is

[Anonymous No.12798905]

How does this fat miserable fuck keep getting exclusive interviews with space companies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhaiDN5EJWA

[Anonymous No.12798907]

>>12798889
>>12798900
Classical liberalism is alright. Think “Enlightenment era.” It’s modern liberalism that sucks.

[Anonymous No.12798908]

>>12798889
see
>>12798884

[Anonymous No.12798914]

>>12798907
>Classical liberalism is alright

[Anonymous No.12798916]

>>12798907
based and enlightenmentpilled

[Anonymous No.12798929]

>>12798735
>space systems to be a key pillar of their business
That's pretty cool. If Starship gobbles up the launch business at least they have a fallback

[Anonymous No.12798930]

>>12798907
>Classical liberalism is alright
I used to be like you. Went through a libertarian phase. Then a classical liberalism phase. They are both cringe.

[Anonymous No.12798934]

>>12798838
I have not but that is excellent. Always need strippers, and a corpse hold. I haven't played for years now but man do i miss it.

[Anonymous No.12798939]

>>12798930
Social democracy coming through. pic related

[Anonymous No.12798944]

>>12798868
I was thinking about that too.

[Anonymous No.12798945]

Now that Shelby is not running for another term should ULA start working on orbiting fuel depots?

[Anonymous No.12798947]

>>12798621
Elon sat in on nearly every interview for the first few rhousand spacex employees. Nothing got past him if not the top men

[Anonymous No.12798952]

>>12798930
so where are you now?

[Anonymous No.12798957]

>>12798870
Mars should be a mix of a democratic council-drawn dictatorship;
The people can vote for members of the council, which has 45 members, people can also vote for dictatorial candidates, but the council will rule the final decision.
This would be based on suitability, education and the candidates goals.
If the candidate does not achieve a set of goals they ruled and decided at the beginning of their term, they cannot be elected again.

[Anonymous No.12798962]

>>12798945
dunno about ula but someone should.

[Anonymous No.12798967]

>>12798934
Found it. Man, I'd love to explore the galaxy in a futuristic spaceship, visiting alien planets nobody has ever heard of, seeing strange alien flora and fucking hot alien bitches.

[Anonymous No.12798973]

>>12798957
>democratic council-drawn dictatorship

[Anonymous No.12798976]

>>12798870
>a liberal democracy

What did you think conservatives were conserving

[Anonymous No.12798981]

>>12798957
>OUR WORLD IS BEGINNING! THEIRS IS DYING!
>MARS AETERNUM
Infinite Warfare is a great game

[Anonymous No.12798982]

>>12798580
Owbital Wing awound Eawth
It's super easy and within our technology capability

[Anonymous No.12798986]

[Anonymous No.12798988]

>>12798905
i hate this guy so much, he is the ultimate space yt grifter

[Anonymous No.12798987]

>>12798907
>modern liberalism

There's no such thing by definition

[Anonymous No.12799014]

The best society is a small, transparent but efficient government, run by intelligent people who know what they're doing (not just rich boomer lawyers) who are accountable to their actions (will be fired and jailed/executed for any corruption)
Capitalist with social policies, (enough to allow people born with bad luck to rise to useful levels, but not allowed to stagnate and leech off welfare) with a strong anti-monopoly policy
All different races/genders/sexualities are all allowed, but nobody has to respect anyone (or pretend to) if they don't want to. Freedom of speech should be the most fundamental right, and respecting peoples feelings should be the least important thing in the society.

[Anonymous No.12799017]

>>12798987
it's called neoliberalism, and they stand for open borders and trans rights worldwide.

[Anonymous No.12799025]

>>12799017
In other words, they endorse the collapse of civilization because they can't comprehend the idea or abide the notion of someone saying "no."

[Anonymous No.12799035]

>>12798987
When conservatives say "liberals" what they really mean is authoritarian progressives.

This man is a snake, and the son of a jew that was part of a group of communist that they realized that they couldn't sell Trotskyism to the public who was freaking out over Russia.

"Conservatives could rebrand as liberals. Seriously. We're for liberal democracy, liberal world order, liberal economy, liberal education."

[Anonymous No.12799047]

>>12798952
To be honest, I have no clue

[Anonymous No.12799089]

>>12799047
no me neither. it's liberal something, i just want to be left the fuck alone and will return the favour, but everyday throws some shit at me that makes me wish i could just forget other humans exist and disappear.

[Anonymous No.12799100]

Are soviets the ultimate in kino space music? Vladimir Troshin especially

https://youtu.be/x5DR7v04YnE
https://youtu.be/ncx4x8rvrQU
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kpJNFUE5Lzc8OV1ZWxzsECIVFlumMXdJI

[Anonymous No.12799102]

>>12799047
based, all I know for certain is that I hate liberals.

[Anonymous No.12799108]

Why did old commies love space and new commies hate it

[Anonymous No.12799111]

>>12798981
imagine if BO actually built that instead of Poo Glen

[Anonymous No.12799114]

https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1368293052503236610
damn, this thing is beefy. I assume it's for Super Heavy

[Anonymous No.12799120]

>>12799089
Not trying to shill anything here but recently I started taking my Catholicism a lot more seriously and I find it refreshing. You get the whole "turn the other cheek" shit which is essentially "I leave you alone you leave me alone", but you are also called to be disgusted at Communism and BLM shit. That's where I stand right now, I guess.
>inb4 you are gay
>inb4 the Pope is pozzed
>inb4 I worship Jews
I understand all the rebuttals. Catholicism has its own quirks and I just find the historical and spiritual aspect fascinating. Georges Lemaître with the Big Bang, Nicolas Steno one of the fathers of geology, etc. Good framework for a Martian subcolony. Catholic morals would lead to a very healthy startup civilization even if you were an athiest among them

[Anonymous No.12799132]

>>12799014
based. also a strict "no jews" policy

[Anonymous No.12799135]

>>12799120
Nothing wrong with it, you can find based Italian or French girls who want 3-4 kids. It also makes moving back to the motherland easier if this country gets terminally pozzed. My long term plan is to marry an EU waifu, they love US Citizens and think America is the promised land lmao fucking idiots.

[Anonymous No.12799141]

>>12799120
I’m Catholic and I love my religion man. Do you want to go to space too? I’ve asked God several times to “please let me go to space before I die.” I prayed for SN10 to land safely and I guess it did lol

[Anonymous No.12799148]

>>12799120
I'm a liberal athiest but I'd sooner be friends with you than a fellow liberal athiest who thinks I'm racist and sexist for being a white male.

[Anonymous No.12799149]

>>12799120
Respectable and somewhat redpilled. I wouldn’t disagree that it would be healthy for a civilization. Excellent morals overall.
>>12799102
Yeah pretty much me as well

[Anonymous No.12799154]

Real liberals hate fake liberals

[Anonymous No.12799167]

Which political system will allow space fox girls? Because that's the one I want.

[Anonymous No.12799172]

>>12799141
I've wanted to go to space since I was a little kid, but right now I'm just focused on getting a job first. I have a lot of money coming to me through my parents (when they die :[ ) but I am about to graduate and I want to land a job so I'm not a NEET. I don't pray for the success of Elon's rockets but if I ever get to ride on one I would definitely pray during the landing burn lmao

[Anonymous No.12799179]

>>12799167
well krystalposting isn't allowed on /sfg/, you can try reddit or something

[Anonymous No.12799180]

>>12799149
>>12799102
We should start the International Get The Fuck Off My Lawn Party.

[Anonymous No.12799181]

>>12799167
the great thing about space, or more basically just having a load more stuff for us to move into, is you can go and live or set up whatever degenerate shit you want and as long as you're far enough away no one will bother you.

[Anonymous No.12799198]

The latest Raptors are a lot more compact. SN58 and SN47.

[Anonymous No.12799199]

>>12798986
>we could have got X-20 in '60s
>we could have got X-24 in '70s
>we could have got HL-20 in '80s

[Anonymous No.12799202]

>>12799149
keked and saved

[Anonymous No.12799205]

>>12799120
based

[Anonymous No.12799206]

>>12799179
Krystalposting is to /sfg/ as Raptor is to Starship

[Anonymous No.12799209]

>>12799206
it comes out of our ass?

[Anonymous No.12799211]

>12799206
Stop trying to make this a thing.

[Anonymous No.12799225]

>>12799120
Absolutely based anon. Franciscan Monasteries on Mars when!?

[Anonymous No.12799226]

>>12799209
No it's usually the thing that blows it up and destroys it

[Anonymous No.12799228]

>>12799206
/thread
She's a bit normie for my tastes though. Other space themed anthro waifus?

[Anonymous No.12799230]

>>12799199
I know the shuttle wasn’t perfect but I feel like a good compromise would’ve been to launch a HL-20 on top of a Saturn IB

[Anonymous No.12799237]

>>12799225
They better make Franciscan beer on Mars

[Anonymous No.12799241]

>>12799228
yes

[Anonymous No.12799242]

>>12799148
How old are you? I had an edgy liberal atheist phase in high school, in the run up to the 2015ish primary, and I voted for Sanders. As a new graduate white male today it's all out war against us and the notion of "whiteness" right now, soon you will realize that modern day liberals are inseparable from anti-white racism. Anything that has historically been associated with white people is now fair game for revisionism and the erasure of our history. The world has changed dramatically in 10 years.

[Anonymous No.12799246]

I saved this one a while back. I dont want to be a fox, but I think she is cute

[Anonymous No.12799248]

beautiful fucking thread today bros

[Anonymous No.12799250]

>>12799246
bro delete that this is a blue board

[Anonymous No.12799253]

>>12799248
just as >>12799246 is posted lmao

[Anonymous No.12799257]

>>12799246
My dick literally twitched when I saw this. What the fuck is wrong with me? God, I don't want to be a furry.
Where can I find more? I need to see if this is a thing.

[Anonymous No.12799260]

>>12799114
And yet BO refurbished this POS.

[Anonymous No.12799262]

>>12799246
>not posting the nude version

[Anonymous No.12799269]

>>12799246
Exactly how many seconds did this take to get deleted?
>>12799257
Just browse >>>/trash/ for a little bit and you'll find a thread or two to your liking.

[Anonymous No.12799270]

>>12799257
It's too late, anon

[Anonymous No.12799275]

>>12799228
Juhani?

[Anonymous No.12799277]

>>12799246
bro you have to be more subtle than this.

>t. Krystalposter

[Anonymous No.12799278]

>>12799198
Would LH2 escape through these types of seals?

[Anonymous No.12799279]

>>12799260
https://www.al.com/news/2020/07/blue-origins-big-job-restoring-an-apollo-test-stand-in-huntsville.html

Apollo era cable conduit they cut out.

[Anonymous No.12799281]

>>12798634
Based.

[Anonymous No.12799284]

>>12799279
holy moly, surely it's easier to start anew. I bet that copper has a lot of value though.

[Anonymous No.12799286]

>>12799260
that's pretty cool

[Anonymous No.12799287]

>>12799257
>>12799246
Based

[Anonymous No.12799289]

>>12799278
LH2 escapes through everything.

[Anonymous No.12799292]

>>12799278
I mean it escapes through solid metal so probably

[Anonymous No.12799297]

>>12799278
TANKS HATE IT! learn how this propellant escapes through everything.

[Anonymous No.12799299]

Axiom...is it gonna work? What's taking so long?

[Anonymous No.12799308]

>>12799284
It would be one thing if the test stand was on the ocean but it's in Huntsville Alabama. It's only going to be an uneconomical rocket if they use legacy facility.

Imagine SpaceX having to put their rocket engines on a truck and ship it hundreds of miles to test it instead of paying an intern to drive a fork lift 2mph down a road and get it to the test stand 2 hours later.

[Anonymous No.12799312]

>>12799269
I'm going in. Wish me luck, anon. I may not survive unscathed.

[Anonymous No.12799313]

>>12799308
...cuck box

[Anonymous No.12799319]

>>12799279
>“As we performed mitigation and sandblasting work, we discovered significant corrosion in the primary structure including rust that penetrated through 3-inch steel plates” lead engineer Scott Henderson said. Corrosion was expected - the stand has been out in the weather since the 1960 - but holes in 3-inch steel were not.
>“Essentially, that’s where the 400 tons of steel we’re adding (to the stand) come into play,” Henderson said. “That’s not all replacing of rusted steel, but a significant part is. Some of that structural steel is unique to project to provide the stiffness necessary to very accurately measure engine thrust.… “
>The restoration means no engine testing before September 2021, but Blue Origin engine tests will happen at 4670.

[Anonymous No.12799320]

>>12799312
Don't hesitate to ask for directions.

[Anonymous No.12799321]

>>12799292
>>12799297
>>12799289
the RS-25's hydrogen seal was pretty cool. From what I understand they put higher pressure helium in its way instead of just relying on a traditional seal

[Anonymous No.12799323]

>>12799312
let me know what you find, im interested too

[Anonymous No.12799326]

>>12799321
It's the most autistic thing engineered by man.

[Anonymous No.12799328]

>>12799308
Do we know how much a Raptor engine costs these days? I wonder if I've driven more expensive stuff than that around on a forklift.
I know I've carried a custom made air conditioning unit that cost $300,000 that they only made one of.

[Anonymous No.12799329]

>>12799321
engineering complexity is not good engineering.

[Anonymous No.12799331]

>>12799321
pic is cringe

[Anonymous No.12799339]

>>12799328
Under 1 million compared to the SLS's 140+.

To give context in 2019 a Falcon heavy flight costs 90 million.

Aren't you glad Shelby is gone?

[Anonymous No.12799340]

>>12799299
they are fake. arent tgey launching theyre first payload in 10 years? yeah, so exciting, get real.unacceptable the time theyre spending on this crap

[Anonymous No.12799342]

>>12799321
What were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.12799344]

happening

[Anonymous No.12799345]

>>12798559
>>12798966
this is part of the reason i'm very happy about starship. it'll expand access to space beyond a few hyper-liberal california based aerospace companies.

[Anonymous No.12799350]

>>12799342
>higher ups have told us to chase isp
>ffs right lets just make this work, stick some helium tanks in it to pressurise the seal on the turbopumps
>but...
>just do it

[Anonymous No.12799355]

>>12798642
>nuclear
sorry, sweaty, might as well call it Dr Seuss drive

[Anonymous No.12799359]

>>12799340
Wall Street is getting behind Electron Lab's falcon 9 competitor. If they pull it off a gun shot will be fired as the 3rd Dot Com bubble initiates.

Now that Shelby is on his last Term ULA should push for an ISS replacement that has features such as fuel depot modules, that way companies like Electron lab could top up which opens the door to the Moon & mars with smaller rockets.

If we get fuel depots it means upper stages could be recovered.

[Anonymous No.12799366]

>>12799323
The pony shit was cringe but some of it was pretty cool.
>>>/trash/36803872
I'm not sure what to think of myself now.

[Anonymous No.12799367]

>>12798601
These scales are so fucked up. Look at the Eve Online freighters, lmao

[Anonymous No.12799368]

>>12799359
if we get fuel depots we can have craft never designed to land in gravity wells that launchers/landers attach to.

[Anonymous No.12799369]

>>12799321
so if I get this right, there is one common shaft driving both the H2 and O2 pumps, and the helium is necessary to stop hydrogen from escaping along that shaft into the oxygen pump? On top of two separate higher pressure H2 seals? holy autism.

[Anonymous No.12799371]

https://twitter.com/BocaCharts/status/1368221081136431109
>Graph of Static fires and Engine swaps (from Rollout to final static fire)

[Anonymous No.12799373]

I kind of thought the tiger chick from Kung Fu Panda was hot but I never fapped to her

[Anonymous No.12799374]

>>12799369
pretty much. all for an asthmatic meme propellant that can't even get you off the pad without giant alabama fireworks.

[Anonymous No.12799379]

>>12799374
is H2 worth it for ultra high isp expander cycles in space though?

[Anonymous No.12799380]

>>12799205
One of the greatest sci fi books.

[Anonymous No.12799384]

>>12798849
a ship could theoretically achieve near light-speed (relative to Earth) using this technique

[Anonymous No.12799385]

>>12799366
>paw thread
A decent choice.
>>12799373
Good taste.

[Anonymous No.12799386]

>>12798840
How can amerifats do this? In Europe project of this size would be blocked for decades on environmental grounds by protestors and activist groups until you bribed them all to leave you alone.

[Anonymous No.12799387]

>>12799368
Fuel depots are money printing Machines. A smart move would be to have ULA offer the technology free to American companies.

That way they can kick off the competition and say during their earnings reports share holder's meetings that next year they're offering bigger Big-Gulps than their competition which pumps up their share prices as it creates hype..

If they keep their technology to themselves then it's more difficult to generate hype to pump up their stock price.

[Anonymous No.12799389]

>>12798870
>*social democratic fact-checked democracy

[Anonymous No.12799390]

>>12799379
in space it starts to make sense. but then it is still a bitch to deal with. no one wants their 6 month martian trip to just lose 10% of their propellant because it's impossible to store long term.

[Anonymous No.12799391]

English word for space is so shit. In my language 'the expanse' is the equivalent and I think it's way more kino.

[Anonymous No.12799394]

>>12799386
No wonder Elon said he could only make SpaceX in America.
Imagine what he could do if he were out in the middle of nowhere with empty land for miles all around. Like somewhere in Arkansas.

[Anonymous No.12799397]

>>12798756
>>12798754
>>12798743
all of you are furries

[Anonymous No.12799400]

>>12799379
Does gaining 10 percent or whatever more ISP matters when costs of operation gets to become obscene? The Rs-25s were never really simplified for commercial viability.

[Anonymous No.12799401]

>>12799386
europe is shit. and i'm european. everything is another layer of difficult here.

[Anonymous No.12799402]

>>12799386
republican states will bend themselves over to business interests just to own it to liberal states, sometimes it's a good thing as in this case. I guess the answer to your question is that states' rights are better than strong federalism.

[Anonymous No.12799403]

[Anonymous No.12799405]

>>12799047
>>12799089
Take the cowboy pill.

[Anonymous No.12799408]

>>12799397
No?

[Anonymous No.12799412]

>>12799387
>Fuel depots are money printing Machines

There is zero demand for fuel depots and no government space agency seriously pursues orbital refueling.

There are no missions that will benefit from orbital refueling. Imagine adding additional risk to JWST launch that involves orbital rendezvous docking, and transfer of cryogenics... No sane mission planner will consider it.

[Anonymous No.12799413]

>>12799400
I was referring to the RL10.

[Anonymous No.12799414]

>>12799391
good for you. start you own image board then space company so you can discuss it in your own language.

[Anonymous No.12799419]

>>12799379
not when you can densify other propellants

[Anonymous No.12799420]

>>12799397
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12799423]

>>12799419
based soviet high temp black magic metallurgy, still unmatched to this day.

[Anonymous No.12799429]

>>12799423
>based soviet high temp black magic metallurgy, still unmatched to this day.
Raptor is doing better already.

[Anonymous No.12799431]

>>12799419
>methane vs hydrogen
Reminds me of one thread that discussed it. Math showed methane does not lose out at all to hydrogen unless there was some magic involved with the dry weight of the hydrogen tanks. The additional ISP from it is eaten by the associated mass hit from storing it.

[Anonymous No.12799433]

>>12799394
Yeah, that's why there's an attempt do a hostile take over of the neighboring hamlet. Wall Street should have gave each household 5 million dollars as a fuck off as a lot of the residents are boomers that likely don't have a retirement fund.

Cape Canaveral's launch control center has blast shields on it's windows.

[Anonymous No.12799434]

>>12799391
bro thats so cool what if it was the title of a tv show

[Anonymous No.12799439]

>>12799419
this is why we stagnate. it really took elon reading old soviet documentation to learn ch4 was the goat? imagine how many other industries refuse to learn from the past

[Anonymous No.12799440]

>>12799397
This is how it always starts

first they just like the art, then they feel comradery with others that like the art, then before you know it they are waiting on UPS to drop their suit

[Anonymous No.12799444]

>>12799400
>costs of operation gets to become obscene
anybody ever done a study on an engine that runs LOX and 85 octane unleaded from the local Pump and Go? You can even get that stuff at a discount when you swipe your store membership card.

[Anonymous No.12799445]

>>12799412
With fuel depots it's one time that you have to dock with the mars colonial transport, you would top up the fuel storage tanks ahead of schedule.

[Anonymous No.12799452]

>>12799321
gradually, I grew to hate (((H2))).

>The engine startup sequence has to avoid a hot start. That would be caused by a oxygen rich environment during ignition to avoid that the hydrogen flow is beyond the nominal mixture ratio and H2 valves open a little earlier than the LOX system . http://i.stack.imgur.com/MhCQP.png

>Hydrogen is used for chilling the engine before start since T-5h40m hydrogen is circulated between the ET and the engines to chill down the hydrogen system and this stops at T-9.5s while engine start sequence is at T-6.6s. http://i.stack.imgur.com/MhCQP.png The startup sequence hydrogen valve is the MFV while oxygen is the MOV and you can see how much slower and more gradual flow increase is on the RS25

>The RS25 on the shuttle is more resistant to that and the amount of hydrogen is minimal but DeltaIV uses a RS-68 that is in many ways derived off the RS25 engine and the ignition sequence there is very very fuel rich and valves open few seconds before LOX is being pumped to avoid melting the engine with oxygen rich combustion. http://planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/spacecraft/2014/20141121_2011-vb-cropped.jpg

>That is a tradeoff for cost reductions in the RS68 engine and you can see especially during Delta Heavy launches that rocket is setting itself on fire because of hydrogen cloud that combusts during engine start.

[Anonymous No.12799454]

>>12799371
Nice, they're getting the static fire process nicely

[Anonymous No.12799455]

>>12799439
The problem is the contractors are entrenched into using hydrogen. If there were local corporations producing the equipment, senators would make their voters do dialysis even if there was a magical star trek pill.

[Anonymous No.12799456]

>>12799452
Just make it air-startable bro.

[Anonymous No.12799457]

>>12799456
Lmao, 2nd stage RS25 when.

[Anonymous No.12799460]

>>12798840
>>12799344
very cool, a lot bigger then i expected it to be.
>>12798870
mars won't be a unified country for at least several hundred years, and probably not ever. the original colony will be oriented towards the atlanticist powers, but you'll probably see mormon, islamic, russian, and chinese colonies eventually which will not be aligned with the atlanticist powers.
>>12799206
>>12799228
you're nothing but a loud minority, and not even that loud at that.

[Anonymous No.12799467]

>>12799455
Raptor was initially a hydrogen upper stage engine until Elon's revelation

[Anonymous No.12799469]

>>12799440
pretty much this

[Anonymous No.12799472]

>>12799460
One thing Sci fi always gets wrong are planets that are wholly United. Mars will probably have independent nations with varying degrees of loyalty to each other and the earth. Everyone talks about Mars seceding from the Earth but what about when colonies fight each other?

[Anonymous No.12799474]

>>12799344
>new landing pad that close to tank farm
i hope they know what they're doing

[Anonymous No.12799482]

>>12799452
>gradually, I grew to hate (((H2))).
should be the opening line to a book

[Anonymous No.12799485]

>>12799474
Isn't it already? I remember the tank farm being directly behind the landing pad in images.

[Anonymous No.12799490]

i find it funny when people assume liberal democracy to be a permanent system when its only really been a thing since 1945 and its already beginning to crack

[Anonymous No.12799491]

>>12799198
Those photos aren't taken at the same distance, so you can't compare them.
The "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" band that holds down the engine is more thick in the left photo, which is also "taller" by comparison.
That means the camera was closer to the left raptor.

[Anonymous No.12799509]

>>12799412
reminds me of the other day I had a thought about how I wish in the late80s/early 90s NASA has decided to give the Shuttle-C a try (big ass cargo fairing replaces the shuttle, a pod of three used shuttle engines under it, orange tank and SRBs the same, no modifications needed to the launch pad, etc). I was even thinking, since it was not man-rated and no lives were at risk, for their first shot (instead of wasting it to just hefting boilerplate) they could have launched a great big tank of water into orbit, and with a couple of solar panels on it and a small electrolysis setup feeding a couple of small tanks with O2, and a docking adaptor on the nose, maybe a couple of cases of MRE then suddenly the whole "They are stranded in orbit, will we be able to launch a rescue ship in time, maybe the Russians can save them!?" trope is no more.
I'm starting to think manned-space without the permanent presence of an orbiting water/O2/food emergency re-supply shelter was reckless.

[Anonymous No.12799510]

>>12799467
You have 3rd parties such as the Hydrogen companies who would be affected.

[Anonymous No.12799513]

>>12799490
The American dominance has only been a thing since the 50s too. Moreover, the industrial "technological" American has only been a thing since the 60s due to our invention of computer chips. Before that, most of our industry was in the agriculture.

People have a tendency to hold on to things and believe them to be static. This isn't an American phenomena, its a universal human phenomena. Its how our language works, how our thoughts form naturally, and how we imagine things to be. Its an unfortunate flaw in humans.

Learn Buddhism to fix this conceptual bug.

[Anonymous No.12799514]

>>12799491
Try this one if you like

[Anonymous No.12799516]

>The plant has 100 employees heading for roughly 450 next year operating in three shifts, five days a week
no rush jeff, we're waiting on you.

[Anonymous No.12799517]

>>12799371
No offense to who made this chart, but fucking hell that is a shitty design.

[Anonymous No.12799521]

>>12799514
what factors are stopping chinese design bureaus from making their own methane FFSC engine? Why do we have such a lead in materials science? If a private company can pull a Raptor out of its ass in 10 years with no institutional knowledge of methane engines, why can't the chinks?

[Anonymous No.12799528]

>>12799509
wait wait wait

What if instead of launching a water tank, you just dumped free floating water into orbit

What could this be used for? If the water is shaded it makes an ice satellite right? You could keep dumping water and make it bigger and bigger.

[Anonymous No.12799532]

>>12799513
for all its faults, an american dominated planet is preferable to the alternative.

[Anonymous No.12799533]

>>12799513
honestly at this rate america might not even last 30 more years. still, ~250+ years is a very good length for a pseudo-empire like america. i wonder how many new states will come out of the USA if it collapses though. i imagine they'd be a mix of russian, chinese, and (maybe?) EU or UK/anglosphere puppet states

[Anonymous No.12799537]

>>12799521
>what factors are stopping chinese design bureaus from making their own methane FFSC engine?
shitty engineers and no industrial background in advanced alloys.

[Anonymous No.12799538]

>>12799521
Metallurgy and institutional culture. The former stops the chinks and the latter stops everyone else including the chinks.

[Anonymous No.12799540]

>>12799472
Depends on who sets up the colonies. If it’s just Elon then unity could very well happen and given that nobody else seems interested in Mars aside from him he won’t have competition. If however other nations start dropping their own colonies on Mars such as China then the chances of planetary unification drop completely or if different ethnic groups start forming enclaves in a single colony then somewhere down the line they could secede.

[Anonymous No.12799546]

>>12799439
>imagine how many other industries refuse to learn from the past
a fuckton to be sure. Rocketry is supposed to have the best and brightest it has had this much trouble. Just imagine how bad other fields are.
This is also why the "blindly trust the experts" movement is so damaging. Displacing analysis with faith is thoroughly antithetical to progress.

[Anonymous No.12799548]

>>12799514
I don't like the new design because that looks like a bitch to maintain & fix.

[Anonymous No.12799550]

>>12799509
based and shuttle-c pilled

anyone else kinda fine with the idea of permanently living on a rotating station with meh gravity? i've got some health problems, probably won't survive whatever's next extinction event comes up, so being a longbone in service to the admirable mission of extraterrestrial expansionism sounds pretty good desu

[Anonymous No.12799551]

>>12799546
Most professionals follow the path of least resistance, wing it, and are ultimately just looking out for themselves

[Anonymous No.12799552]

[Anonymous No.12799555]

>>12799514
Much better photo comparison, but without knowing the exact distance, I still can't believe differences in photos.

[Anonymous No.12799556]

>>12799514
My thrust per unit area just got 1.5x higher

[Anonymous No.12799559]

>>12799439
More like Elon reading fucking wikipedia articles on fuels and Isp

[Anonymous No.12799561]

>>12799521
they cheat and steal because they have too

[Anonymous No.12799564]

>>12799513
>the industrial "technological" American has only been a thing since the 60s
he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.12799566]

>>12799532
if it were america in the 80s or even 90s/early 2000s, i'd agree. but with the current globohomo system, i'd honestly prefer a russia dominated world

[Anonymous No.12799570]

I reckon there's about 2000 civilizations in the Milky Way and about 1 000 000 000 origins of life.

[Anonymous No.12799569]

>>12799516
seems kinda low. Doesn't boca chica have near 2000?

[Anonymous No.12799573]

>>12799548
Seriously? The cables have all been wrangled into a much more compact set of sheaths, and a ton of seemingly extraneous plumbing is simply gone, dangling plumbing is now contained in one plate at the top, and the whole engine in general seems to be much more paired down to essentials.

[Anonymous No.12799574]

>>12799548
I wonder if they're moving towards quick change power units to make airplane like reusability manageable
>3 engine static fire
>if there's any anomaly swap out a Raptor, ideally in less than an hour
>launch

[Anonymous No.12799575]

>>12799566
i'm joking btw, what we call globohomo isn't that bad, still better then the failed socialist economy of russia and the horrific regime of china

[Anonymous No.12799582]

>>12799516
Not even working 24/7 in their multi billion dollar plant
8 hour shifts for their boomer workforce

[Anonymous No.12799583]

>>12799566
Russia isn't powerful enough to dominate Azerbaijan, the only peer opponent is China.

[Anonymous No.12799585]

>>12799537
>no industrial background in advanced alloys
How long will this last, given that our universities invite thousands of chinks into our mechanical engineering PhD programs every year? When will Congress ban them from grad schools here holy fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.12799586]

>>12799513
Not really. America was a dominant and industrial power pretty much since the turn of the 20th century.
>>12799550
If you're going to rotate a space station then what reason would you have to not make it 1g? Aside from a station that's built to gradually acclimate people to the gravity of certain planets.

[Anonymous No.12799589]

>>12799514
it looks like it belongs in the brass section. big tuba

[Anonymous No.12799592]

>>12799566
you wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.12799599]

>>12799575
>still better then the failed socialist economy of russia
Wrong. My Soviet born parents may have been cash poor but they had everything to live a happy, productive life. Culture and the sciences were highly praised, not worldwide faggotry and demographic replacement. Russia today is a failed state and the collective GDP of the ex-USSR has still not matched that of the USSR in the end.

[Anonymous No.12799603]

>>12799569
yeah, imagine how many employees it'll have in a year

[Anonymous No.12799605]

>>12799540
What I could see is a more moderate version of that fascist Alt-Reality of Star Trek. Instead of it being a universal democracy your voting power would be based on what do you get done in the colony.

I'm a proponent for the idea of rejecting surface structures the long term and going all in with modular nuclear reactors & tunnel boring equipment. The idea is that you would build tunnels, and within in the side of the tunnels you would have an apartment built to your specifications before you depart.

Under this Space-Fascist society you gain points the more apartments you build. Somebody who busts their knuckles laying down infrastructure isn't going to take shit from Karen the paper pusher. The leadership that's rotting the US military are the commissioned officers who gain a shitty culture from the military academies they graduate from.

There are NCOs who are promoted into leadership role based on Merit such as being able to lead a group of men out of a really bad situation after the officer died.

I could see a war happening between colonies because of jealousy. Rival colonies won't like a fascist colony that provides private 250 square foot or larger colonies when they live in communal cock pods with zero privacy.

[Anonymous No.12799608]

>>12799592
can't you see where america is heading?
>>12799599
the "i'm joking post" was a joke

[Anonymous No.12799610]

>>12799517
from reddit

[Anonymous No.12799612]

[Anonymous No.12799614]

>>12799608
>can't you see where america is heading?
your alternative is china with you becoming the global equivalent of how the west views some shithole like vietnam. you want that, fine. personally i'll take the overhyped internet based 'culture wars' over ccp shit. but that's me.

[Anonymous No.12799617]

>>12798804
>propulsive landing before 2025
You drank too much of the investor kool-aid. Do you actually believe they're going to build a brand new engine and rocket in just three or four years out of a material they have no experience with, at a scale much greater than anything they've done, and then propulsively land it at a rate that would make it cheaper than the Falcon 9 per launch? They're not even doing reusability the right way, they're using kerosene instead of methane. They also may not use a steel booster.
>Apparently the 8,000 kg payload is perfect for mega constellations
There is a reason why BO is building New Glenn instead of a medium lift. Rockets don't have to carry a full payload, they need to beat Falcon 9 and Starship on at least cost per launch if they want to survive and get enough money to build a heavy lift rocket. ISS resupply is an old space tier dead end. Eventually they'll be competing on cost of kg to orbit as space tugs enable rideshare to any orbit.
>Don't get the hate for them, not to mention their satellite building, electron, and photon markets.
The Electron business is worth maybe 40 million a year and it isn't profitable, they lost more money last year on it than they brought in total. Nearly every space SPAC builds their own satellites or owns a company that does. There are plenty of companies that will build you a satellite and get it launched for you, if Rocket Lab is more expensive the vertical integration isn't worth shit.

[Anonymous No.12799620]

>>12799612
this will never work. elon is retard

[Anonymous No.12799624]

>>12799528
pretty sure my idea of containing the water for future use as needed (like maybe in an emergency) and converting a little slowly to stored O2 and H2 has more utility

>>12799550
>based
thank you, I have a lot of space related thoughts (unfortunately mostly the "They really should have done this instead" kind) when I'm not feeding/transporting my kids, wishing my wife farewell have a good day at work, or drinking beer and watching Cheers after they all go to bed
(and what the hell is going on in that pic?)

[Anonymous No.12799630]

>>12799514
God damn that looks good.

[Anonymous No.12799632]

>>12799552
I expect this rocket to be on time and under budget for sure

[Anonymous No.12799635]

>>12799540
What I could see is a more moderate version of that fascist Alt-Reality of Star Trek. Instead of it being a universal democracy your voting power would be based on what do you get done in the colony.

I'm a proponent for the idea of rejecting surface structures the long term and going all in with modular nuclear reactors & tunnel boring equipment. The idea is that you would build tunnels, and within in the side of the tunnels you would have an apartment built to your specifications before you depart.

Under this Space-Fascist society you gain points the more apartments you build. Somebody who busts their knuckles laying down infrastructure isn't going to take shit from Karen the paper pusher. The leadership that's rotting the US military are the commissioned officers who gain a shitty culture from the military academies they graduate from.

There are NCOs who are promoted into leadership role based on Merit such as being able to lead a group of men out of a really bad situation after the officer died.

I could see a war happening between colonies because of jealousy.

Rival colonies won't like a fascist colony that offers private 250 SQ Ft or larger private apartments, when they live within communal cock pods with zero privacy. Envision private living quarters that long hot showers because they're holding water in larger water storage pools constructed out from the stone floor instead of shipped in water tanks.

[Anonymous No.12799638]

>>12799610
Someone put these into a graph to determine how quickly Starships will proceed. I don't know how to make a function from three points.

[Anonymous No.12799647]

>>12799638
>I don't know how to make a function from three points
Quite literally ngmi

[Anonymous No.12799648]

>>12799540
>>12799635
I’m like 80% sure Mars is going to be Cold War 2.0 with America-aligned bases brought by SpaceX and China-aligned bases brought by, well, China. That being said I think China is at least 20 years away from a Mars landing.

[Anonymous No.12799649]

>>12798580
Electromagnetic thrusters powered by the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.

[Anonymous No.12799653]

>>12799586
I think rotating to provide .5g would be much less structurally demanding, would lessen the docking headache, and would be a nice transition for those traveling beyond to the moon or Mars or returning from said places.

[Anonymous No.12799656]

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-050410a.html

At Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida, the deconstruction of NASA's first Mission Control building, the Mercury Control Center (MCC) began April 28, 2010.

The original structure, erected between 1956 and 1958, was last modified in 1963. According to NASA, the MCC succumbed "to the two worst enemies of structures along the space coast — time and salt air — necessitating that it be demolished as a safety measure."

Although listed on the National Register of Historic Places, repairs to the 50 year old building were estimated in 2006 to be too costly for the space agency. To just replace its crumbling, asbestos-laden ceiling would have cost $1 million; to return the Control Center to its original state would have needed $5 million. The decision was therefore made to have it demolished and move its consoles and equipment to a nearby museum display (see photographs below).

The facility served as the mission control for all Project Mercury missions — the United States' first manned space program, including the flights of first American astronaut Alan Shepard and first-in-orbit John Glenn — as well as the first three flights of the Gemini Program. From 1961 through 1963, the center, which layout was developed by flight director Eugene Kranz and first led by Chris Kraft, housed the flight controllers whose duty it was to monitor and support the missions after liftoff and follow them through until splashdown. Additionally, the MCC supported vehicle checkout, spacecraft tracking and astronaut training.

With the launch of Gemini IV in 1965, Mission Control moved to where it remains to this day, Houston, Texas, leaving the original facility to serve for launch control and as a tracking station until the Launch Control Center (LCC) at Kennedy Space Center replaced it during the Apollo lunar landing program.

[Anonymous No.12799659]

>>12799653
This was canceled for budget reasons after Japan gave it to NASA for access to the ISS.

[Anonymous No.12799663]

>>12799648
I'm really curious what direction China's space program is going to go. Long March 9 like a waste of effort with reusable rockets proving themselves and Starship nearing completion.

I think they have a couple companies working on Falcon family clones, but they don't seem very far along.

[Anonymous No.12799664]

>>12799656
>To just replace its crumbling, asbestos-laden ceiling would have cost $1 million; to return the Control Center to its original state would have needed $5 million

6 million dollars!?!?? That's outrageous, think of all the niglets that could feed or contractors that could buy yachts with that money

[Anonymous No.12799666]

>>12799653
From older threads. Yes the starships here are dumb: instead of storing them vertically just imagine they are stored laterally, and instead of 2 there are 4 (for mass balancing)

[Anonymous No.12799668]

>>12799659
Is there literally any reason this couldn't just be launched cheaply on a Falcon tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.12799669]

>>12799135
>My long term plan is to marry an EU waifu, they love US Citizens and think America is the promised land lmao fucking idiots.
Anon... You don't actually believe this, do you? You're talking about a continent with thousands of years of history and women that will see through your bullshit like you're transparent. I hate to break it to you but most 'murican guys come across as dumb, uncultured, overcompensating, wet behind the ears hicks to the average multicultural euro bird.

[Anonymous No.12799676]

>>12799663
Yeah that’s why I think they’re so far away. They’re taking a very OldSpace approach to everything at the moment, which means they’ll need a million different vehicles for Mars.

[Anonymous No.12799693]

Is it true that the Director of NASA launched an investigation on a NASA worker who went behind her back & got the DOD photos after the Director rejected such an offer multiple times?

If so that reminds me of this cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpw3ISEoVvA

https://youtu.be/fpw3ISEoVvA?t=102

[Anonymous No.12799694]

>>12799647
Well are you going to do it or at least tell me how or are you just going to act like you came straight from /ic/?

[Anonymous No.12799698]

>>12799648
will the Chinese Mars colony engage in a cold war with the American Mars colony? Will they build missiles and point them at each other? Will the Chinese build Martian "Ghost Cities" with their excess capital and industrial capability? Will they engage in industrial espionage against the American colony?
They aren't going to smuggle 2 tons of fentanyl to Mars and dump it on us, are they?

[Anonymous No.12799699]

>>12799668
That's a mockup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge_Accommodations_Module

It was built by JAXA's predecessor, NASDA, but owned by NASA, who obtained ownership of the CAM by trading in a free launch of the Japanese Experiment Module Kibo to the Station.[1] The CAM flight model along with the engineering model of the centrifuge rotor were manufactured. The CAM would have been attached to the zenith port on the Harmony module of the ISS. It was cancelled in 2005[2] alongside the Habitation Module and the Crew Return Vehicle, because of ISS cost overruns and scheduling problems in Shuttle assembly flights.

It is now on display in an outdoor exhibit at the Tsukuba Space Center in Japan.[3][4]

[Anonymous No.12799708]

>>12799339
>ROCKETDYKE
Why

[Anonymous No.12799709]

>>12799698
Jokes aside the Chinese colony is going to be doing nothing I don’t think it’ll be a military thing until there’s at least a few hundred people on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12799711]

Would you give this man a small loan of 4 billion dollars to build a super heavy-lift launch vehicle?

[Anonymous No.12799713]

>>12799648
Absolutely not. By the time China can send anyone to Mars and back on their own SpaceX will have put tens of thousands their first at the bare minimum. The only way for China to be competitive on Mars would be to just continue funding subversives so hard that space actually gets cancelled and Elon just isn't allowed to send anyone to Mars.

[Anonymous No.12799715]

>>12799711
Tbh if I had that money I’d just give it to SpaceX. Starship dev is $5 Billion (low estimate) to $10 Billion (high estimate).

[Anonymous No.12799719]

>>12799699
The centrifuge would have provided controlled acceleration rates (artificial gravity) for experiments and the capability to:

----Expose a variety of biological specimens that are less than 24.5 in (0.62 m) tall to artificial gravity levels between 0.01g and 2g.

----Simultaneously provide two different artificial gravity levels.

----Provide partial g and hyper g environment for specimens to investigate altered gravity effects and g-thresholds.

----Provide short duration and partial g and hyper g environment for specimens to investigate temporal effects of gravity exposure.

----Provide Earth simulation environment on ISS to isolate microgravity effects on specimens.

----Provide Earth simulation environment on ISS to allow specimens to recover from microgravity effects.

----Provide in situ 1g controls for specimens in micro-gravity.

---------------

Imagine sending up a centrifuge rotor bus & docking a external fuel tank to it to make the entire tank rotate on the centrifuge bus.

[Anonymous No.12799722]

>>12799279
I'm glad to see she's wearing her steel-toed safety sneakers.

[Anonymous No.12799724]

>>12799669
my parents are European (but not EU) and I've lived in France for a good deal of my childhood, I'm a 2nd gen American. Lots of them have an embellished vision of America and think it's way nicer here than it actually is. Also europoor isn't a meme, 30k euros is a great wage there, so they all want to work here after school. I will breed one of your delightful euro girls and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

[Anonymous No.12799725]

>>12799713
Or they could just contract SpaceX,

[Anonymous No.12799731]

>>12799725
Elon can Mars to himself for decades. Why would he help a potential enemy?

[Anonymous No.12799732]

>>12799713
Of course. Sorry I’m still not sure on how the colonization timeline goes for SpaceX. Pessimistic assumption: Let’s say the first crew lands on mars in 2029, but they return home. When do colonists start showing up? I don’t think SpaceX will send permanent settlers until at least four or five “sorties”, so I’m guessing we’ll see a permanent crew of a dozen land in 2039 after four or five base-building missions. How the colony grows after that is anyone’s guess.

[Anonymous No.12799734]

>>12799711
Yep and I did :)
Peter Beck is gonna slap that bitch Elon sideways :)

[Anonymous No.12799735]

>>12799711
I'm strongly considering selling my Rocket Lab stock to buy either MAXR or KTOS on Monday. I'd be more confident in Beck if he promised a larger fully reusable rocket, even if it took longer and cost more. I don't see "first stage flyback Antares" being viable in 2024.

[Anonymous No.12799737]

>>12799698
>>12799648
>>12799713
This is assuming that China will even survive in then next 50 years

[Anonymous No.12799746]

>>12799711
No. If I had 4 billion dollars specifically to invest in space I would set up a number of competitions with 10-100m victory conditions instead of investing it all into one project.

[Anonymous No.12799747]

>Earthers? Get to walk outside into the light, breathe pure air, look up at a blue sky and see something that gives them hope. And what do they do? They look past that light, past that blue sky. They see the stars and the think "mine!".

Explain why anyone would want to live in fucking Mars or any other shithole in the solar system?

[Anonymous No.12799748]

>>12799737
They’ll still be around but who knows in what state. If the Euros keep bending over for them they might be even stronger.

[Anonymous No.12799750]

>>12799747
No Jews in space.

[Anonymous No.12799754]

>>12799747
Because it's mine.

[Anonymous No.12799757]

>>12799746
You know what a cool billion dollar project would be? A launcher-agnostic reusable upper stage. Something you can slap on top of Falcon Heavy or New Glenn to enable full reusability.

[Anonymous No.12799762]

>>12799612
This sounds like the kind of fun low level work that used to be around before frameworks got rid of it all

[Anonymous No.12799764]

>>12799747
Human beings are explorers at heart. We will go wherever we damn well want. Mars won’t be a shirt hole anyways I was quarantined in my Dorm in my Uni for 2 weeks (couldn’t even go outside, except our dorm has a bathroom and laundry room), and I was perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.12799767]

>>12799230
After ESA axed the Hermes, they wanted to launch X-38 on top of Ariane 5, but then NASA axed the X-38.

[Anonymous No.12799770]

>>12799757
It’s not like interstages are standardized

[Anonymous No.12799772]

>>12799737
>US facing economic collapse and civil unrest
>China facing demographic collapse and internal strife
>Europe continues to be unambitious and outbred by Muslims

Take the India pill, anon.

[Anonymous No.12799778]

>>12799764
>Mars won’t be a shirt hole
>I was quarantined in my Dorm in my Uni for 2 weeks
decent bait, someone will probably take it

[Anonymous No.12799781]

>>12799772
>India filled with indians
there's nothing good there to ruin in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12799785]

>>12799778
I’m telling the truth bruv. Mars will be a first world country off the bat

[Anonymous No.12799789]

>>12799772
>China facing demographic collapse and internal strife
Please redpill me on this. What’s going on in China?

[Anonymous No.12799792]

>>12798907
The Enlightenment was a mistake

[Anonymous No.12799794]

>>12799789
Old people are going to outnumber the young ones. And who knows what's going to happen once Xi's kicking the bucket.

[Anonymous No.12799797]

>>12798939
>excessive soul-rotting comfort coming through

[Anonymous No.12799799]

>>12799785
Maybe don't compare your 2 week quarantine to a serious Mars mission if you want to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.12799802]

>>12799789
>he doesn't know
https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/2020/

[Anonymous No.12799803]

>>12799789
Horrible population pyramid that makes Germany look good in comparison, they kept 1 child policy way too long for their own good, I guess they really didn't want to end up like India. I believe Shanghai has a TFR of like 0.7 lmao.

[Anonymous No.12799807]

>>12799676
>vehicles for Mars.

[Anonymous No.12799810]

>>12799803
feminism was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.12799811]

>>12799803
>China just as likely to retain most of their population as they are to drop below current American population
This is the one I >>12799802 was searching for but I couldn't find it.

[Anonymous No.12799818]

>>12799810
>the 1970s and their consequences were a disaster for the human race

[Anonymous No.12799819]

>>12799789
1 child policy fucked them harder than they realised and obviously caused birth rates to drop to 1 or less, but now that they have gotten rid of it the people aren’t having children, in fact the birth rate collapsed even further after removing it and they had their lowest amount of births in 2020 since records began.

Also they kept killing girls which means they have 30 million men who will never get a woman and the cost of living and especially raising a child have skyrocketed which means that even if they want children they can’t support them. And the culture of the one child policy also contributes to this.

Their population will go into decline this decade and because they have so many old people the cost of supporting them and their pensions will be insane due to the ever decreasing amount of young people.

[Anonymous No.12799820]

>>12799811
I'm certain it will lower than the median projection, given that Asians born in Australia and the US also have horrible TFRs. It's really a good sign that at least we won't be overrun by chinks.

[Anonymous No.12799822]

>>12799666
satan, that's beautiful. super important for a translunar ferry system to become reality imo

[Anonymous No.12799824]

>>12799747
wtf i love earthers now

[Anonymous No.12799825]

>>12799819
it's hilarious because development already causes TFR to collapse naturally, and China did a double whammy with the one child policy.

[Anonymous No.12799832]

>>12799666
What's that long thing?

[Anonymous No.12799834]

>>12799794
>US marines stationed in Shanghai, like back in the days
>UK taking over the Hong Kong, this time for good

[Anonymous No.12799837]

>>12799820
>It's really a good sign that at least we won't be overrun by chinks.
We shouldn't count our chickens before they hatch. That's a projection to 2100. There's still a lot that could happen in that time even if they trend below the median projection.

[Anonymous No.12799838]

>>12799810
China’s problem has nothing to do with feminism, this was pure government incompetence and shortsightedness especially when they had examples of Korea, Japan, Europe and North America to look to as what happens if the birth rate falls below 2.1.

[Anonymous No.12799839]

>>12799822
IIRC the original idea was to use it to ferry from earth to phobos I think. Starship would unload there and burn for mars landing

[Anonymous No.12799845]

>>12799735
I like Rocket Lab short term if the rest of the market stops shitting itself but I also have a lot of exposure to the other space stocks and I think it has less meme value than other overvalued stocks like SPCE with a questionable future but have more catalysts supporting their price. What does Rocket Lab have after the hype of a 'new' SpaceX competitor wears off? A small launcher business that will soon be in terminal decline and four to six long years before a Neutron launch.

I do wonder if it's possible for them to stop going down this path and try to raise money for a Starship competitor. If they could get enough money to start they could probably get the rest during development if it looks promising. Why they haven't tried that, I don't know, maybe Beck has one foot out the door and will take the easy money selling his shares over the next few years. Even with a Starship competitor it's hard to compete, SpaceX will have all their Starlink launches going to space anyway that are a platform for rideshare and they'll have the Starlink profit as well. Longer term they'll have all the traffic going to Mars, it will be hard to compete when SpaceX has the much better economies of scale

[Anonymous No.12799847]

>>12799832
The long thing on the ass? It’s just the exhaust. The idea was that it would use a semi-meme engine like a NSWR or HDLT or something

[Anonymous No.12799849]

>>12799789
The whole one child policy thing kind of had some unintended consequences. Remains to be seen whether they can reverse it.

[Anonymous No.12799856]

>>12798579
They are a good company. The idea that they might get crushed by SpaceX breaks my heart.

[Anonymous No.12799859]

>>12799825
I suppose at the time they were having massive famines and widespread poverty everywhere and that retarded book the population bomb spooked a lot of people back then so they thought they had a great solution.

If they wouldn’t a solution a 2 child policy would have made more sense.

[Anonymous No.12799861]

>>12799807

[Anonymous No.12799862]

Orbital Starship visits the pad with Grandpa Hoppy
l.

[Anonymous No.12799863]

>>12799849
It's not really an issue unless you have to fund some pensions or run an primitive agrarian society. In Africa they're skipping land lines for cellphones.

You can replace 20 workers with one combine.

[Anonymous No.12799870]

>>12799863
>it’s not really an issue

Enjoy extinction, low-t bitch

[Anonymous No.12799872]

>>12799856
They'll get business from companies that compete with/despise SpaceX. And the IP in Electron has to be worth a fair bit on its own. Quite honestly SpaceX need a competitor just like Microsoft did with Apple

[Anonymous No.12799878]

>>12799849
China is such a fucking meme
>peasants are starving
>kill all the birds because Mao said they eat grain
>nothing eats the locusts
>massive plague of locusts
>peasants are starving even more
>have to fucking buy new sparrows from the USSR

[Anonymous No.12799881]

>>12799870
Exponential growth can't last forever. There are 126 million people in Japan which is the size of California. Imagine cramming 200 or 250 million people California.

[Anonymous No.12799882]

>>12799861
FUCK
YEAH
MAKO

[Anonymous No.12799888]

>>12799849
>>12799819
Bro’s sorry for the questions but why did they even do the 1 child policy thing? I do know about how they have an excess of males now.

>>12799822
>>12799839
That just gave me an idea. In a world without Starship, it makes sense that we’d have a reusable Ferry to LEO for crew, a reusable LEO to Lunar Orbit ferry, and then a reusable Lunar Orbit to Phobos ferry, which then can return to Lunar orbit for refueling. Around Phobos, you’d board an ascent descent vehicle which lands on the martian surface and refuels before returning to Phobos.

[Anonymous No.12799891]

>>12799881
>Exponential growth can't last forever
>he says in /sfg/ of all places
bitch please this solar system can house trillions upon trillions, dare I say quadrillions of humans with its energy and materials potential

[Anonymous No.12799895]

>>12799891
>bitch please this solar system can house trillions upon trillions, dare I say quadrillions of humans with its energy and materials potential
Not him but where are you going to get the humans? The birthrate in nearly every developed country is below replacement value.

[Anonymous No.12799897]

>>12799891
Are you willing to quadruple housing prices so that your kids will be living in communal cuck pods?

[Anonymous No.12799901]

>>12799891
this is your brain on neoliberalism

[Anonymous No.12799903]

>>12799895
That's because the population is no longer mostly substance farmers who had 8 kids to not starve to death.

[Anonymous No.12799904]

>>12799895
Has it been determined how much of this is caused by endocrine dispruptors? Going to another environment completely which is much more sterile might have a positive effect.

[Anonymous No.12799911]

>>12799895
Ban hormonal birth control, restrict or ban the use of chemicals that lower T levels in men, and ban married women from working.

[Anonymous No.12799912]

>>12799895
cloning or something like it can't be more than a few decades off
>>12799897
humans are long-term not volume constrained. just manufacture a bigger box in space with asteroid material bro

[Anonymous No.12799913]

>>12799895
in the future all children will be grown in artificial wombs

[Anonymous No.12799917]

>>12799901
African population predictions seem a bit shortsighted to me. They depend on foreign aid from the west, so when the west stagnates there will be no way to support that population.

[Anonymous No.12799919]

>>12799901
I guess the good news is that Christianity is spreading like wildfire among Africans. By 2050 it’s expected that 4/10 of the 2 billion of so Christians around the world will be sub Saharan african

[Anonymous No.12799924]

>>12799895
that's because most people are too poor to afford kids, especially as lifespans go up and young people need to care for the old. better automation means more humans

[Anonymous No.12799928]

>>12799911
yeah i'm sure everyone will love that

[Anonymous No.12799932]

>>12799928
Unironically Testosterone injections should be available to all men

[Anonymous No.12799935]

>>12799881
>Exponential growth can't last forever

It can last until we meet carrying capacity, which we haven’t.

> There are 126 million people in Japan which is the size of California. Imagine cramming 200 or 250 million people California.

Both those places have huge unused areas

[Anonymous No.12799937]

>>12798658

[Anonymous No.12799940]

>>12799935
California could probably fit 1 billion or more people it’s 90% empty space

[Anonymous No.12799941]

>>12799912
>cloning or something like it can't be more than a few decades off
Then it becomes a question of utility if humans don't want to naturally produce this many people, what's the point of them? If they're clones of average intelligence it's just growth for the sake of growth, if they're all geniuses then you don't need that many and we would probably reach the point where it's easier to have intelligent AI take their place.

If humans reach trillions of people something has gone wrong and we are the biological grey goo that will consume the universe.

[Anonymous No.12799942]

>>12799932
you realize taking exogenous T reduces fertility right

[Anonymous No.12799945]

>>12799919
>Christianity spreading
>Good news
Anon this is a spaceflight general. Jewish fairy tales have no place here.

[Anonymous No.12799950]

>>12798870
>not having a government like in Starship Troopers
cringe
>>12798916
>Starship will enable people to do this again
Can't wait.

[Anonymous No.12799951]

>>12799919
have you posted this before? I seem to recall someone coping with
>the rapefugees will be christian!
In reality this is a bad thing as they will face less friction than muslims when it comes to invading Europe and getting gibs from the church.

[Anonymous No.12799952]

>>12799937
Why doesn't this work?

[Anonymous No.12799955]

>>12799940
it's 90% desert here, the great American West isn't as suited to massive populations as the entire eastern half.

[Anonymous No.12799957]

Conservatives blaming all of society's problems on beans without realizing they themselves are the problem

[Anonymous No.12799958]

>>12799952
it does, try it

[Anonymous No.12799959]

>>12799895
Because of chemical warfare and poisonous social values that can’t exist long term

[Anonymous No.12799963]

>>12799928
>yeah i'm sure everyone will love that
Yes, they will, unironically. Women became less happy every decade since the 1950s.

[Anonymous No.12799964]

>>12799958
oh shit it worked

[Anonymous No.12799965]

>>12799952
it does work, lots of sci-fi plots involve orbital space lasers, or even gamma ray lasers.

[Anonymous No.12799967]

>>12799772
>service module takes in the curry poo released by indianauts
>drops the service module on to pakistan

[Anonymous No.12799968]

>>12799952
Momentum has another component besides velocity.

[Anonymous No.12799969]

>>12799957
t. Jew

[Anonymous No.12799974]

>>12799895
>Not him but where are you going to get the humans?
Gigantic baby-factory vats operated by AI

[Anonymous No.12799975]

>>12799957
>bitching over a dead ideology
conservatism is just liberalism but slower

[Anonymous No.12799981]

>>12799952
Photons are massless so they don’t actually carry much energy despite their high velocity, and that kinetic energy doesn’t get transferred 100% either, but laser propulsion does work and can be used for interstellar travel.

[Anonymous No.12799986]

>>12799964
no way.. is this real?

[Anonymous No.12799987]

>>12799975
>conservatism is just liberalism but slower
Interesting perspective.

[Anonymous No.12799989]

Check out this perfect Starship landing in KSP
https://youtu.be/j9MrU5rFOTc

[Anonymous No.12799990]

How the fuck do you make a wormhole?

[Anonymous No.12799993]

>>12799952
it's called a flashlight not a forcelight

[Anonymous No.12800020]

>>12799582
You get less done on 12 hour shifts you fucking zoomzoom

[Anonymous No.12800046]

>>12799919
This is quality bait.

[Anonymous No.12800047]

>>12799989
It doesn't work like that in real life:
>engines can't be throttled down to 1% power
>shear winds can fuck your guidance controller
>massive engine downwash close to the ground causing swirls and lifting the rocket skirt up
>retarded small landing legs can't prevent the the ship from getting out of balance
At least add some LT-2 landing struts and teach Elon how it's done.

[Anonymous No.12800049]

>>12799974
If we lived in a post-scarcity society would it matter to you if humans had a population of 200 million or 200 trillion? Beyond the biological imperatives driving growth, what you get out of having more people is greater technology from having more bright minds creating it but development will reach a point where technological progress stops unless we greatly alter our intelligence and become something other than human.

I just don't see the point of trying to colonize everywhere in the galaxy with humans and the fact that no other alien species has done that seems to imply either that they're incapable of doing it, they don't exist, or aliens end up deliberately limiting their population growth which is what I think will happen with humans.

[Anonymous No.12800052]

>>12799839
you know, the idea of making the journey to Mars in a Starship all alone by itself is a bit daunting, they should travel in groups like the old-time wagon trains did, that way if one has a malfunction/hull breach/whatever there are others that can immediately rescue the passengers and continue.

[Anonymous No.12800056]

>>12800049
>either that they're incapable of doing it, they don't exist, or aliens end up deliberately limiting their population growth
The answer is the second one. Or at least they don't exist anywhere near us.

[Anonymous No.12800058]

>>12800047
>>engines can't be throttled down to 1% power
This can be compensated for by turning engines off
>>shear winds can fuck your guidance controller
Isn't that what the flaps are for?
>>massive engine downwash close to the ground causing swirls and lifting the rocket skirt up
lewd
>>retarded small landing legs can't prevent the the ship from getting out of balance
No better alternative at the moment, since that's what the real legs are

[Anonymous No.12800079]

>>12799913
>in the future all children will be grown in artificial wombs
And raised by the State.

[Anonymous No.12800085]

>>12799940
WE HAVE NO EXTRA WATER TO SHIP TO YOU
t. Colorado

[Anonymous No.12800090]

>>12799950
the best part

[Anonymous No.12800091]

>>12800058
>This can be compensated for by turning engines off
You completely misunderstood his point, it's about depth of throttle. Raptor is throttlable to like 54%, it can't go any lower so a real burn has to be calculated much tighter to compensate.

[Anonymous No.12800094]

>>12799974
all clones of Bill Gates

[Anonymous No.12800096]

>>12800052
That’s what they’re doing, Mars has a transfer window every 2 years and in that time Musk plans on shitting out hundreds of them all at the same time. Idk if they will be days apart, or right next to eachother, but the idea of looking out your window and seeing hundreds of SS’s in formation like a WWII convey sounds so badass

[Anonymous No.12800101]

>>12800079
All future Democrat voters :^)
*gets banned*

[Anonymous No.12800113]

>>12800096
>hundreds of SS’s in formation like a WWII convey sounds so badass

[Anonymous No.12800116]

>>12800094
>OOPS! All Niggers
I misread that as the factory operator AI was the clone of Bill Gates. It makes less sense when reading correctly.

[Anonymous No.12800117]

>>12800049
More humans is always better as long as they can be supported.

“Post-scarcity” is bullshit sci-fi tho

[Anonymous No.12800123]

>>12800049
> I just don't see the point of trying to colonize everywhere in the galaxy with humans

Then you’re an open enemy of your own species and should be shot in the face.

[Anonymous No.12800124]

>>12798967
>implying you wouldn't just be a capsuleer
Also captains quarters was comfy as fuck

[Anonymous No.12800126]

>>12800124
I'd settle for this

[Anonymous No.12800133]

>>12800123
Maybe I'm just wary of having to deal with more retards like you.

[Anonymous No.12800134]

>>12800126
>settle
That's way better.

[Anonymous No.12800137]

>>12800126
I wonder how common something like this might be in the next 1000ish years. Could be a room on a bigass spinstation on its way to Titan or something. Rich people might have their own rooms in luxury “ferry apartments” or something idk. I love this look though. Alien core? Cassette core?

[Anonymous No.12800139]

>>12800126
Looks so dirty, at least go with a minmatar aesthetic although i do agree there would be more personal items lying about

[Anonymous No.12800141]

>>12800137
Cassette futurism
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CassetteFuturism

[Anonymous No.12800142]

>>12800134
add a big TV for me to watch my DVDs on and a fridge full of beer and I'd never want to leave

[Anonymous No.12800146]

>>12800139
This looks soulless. Everything you touch would be cold metal, and the lack of light would just give me a migraine and make me depressed

[Anonymous No.12800152]

>>12800139
I rememeber when this came out for EVE you could put whatever video you want on that screen so I sat my character down on the couch and watched a bunch of episodes of Beavis and Butthead on it.

[Anonymous No.12800156]

>>12800137
got it one here many years ago, not sure what it's supposed to be, has elements of Star Wars in it, The Shining (the carpet) and who knows what else

[Anonymous No.12800157]

[Anonymous No.12800159]

>>12800146
Just put your junk in it and it looks better than the other cheap bullshit. Also i like the metal interior

[Anonymous No.12800162]

>>12800139
Poor taste.
>>12800142
I just wish there was instant communication. That's all I'd need to be able to go anywhere.

[Anonymous No.12800166]

>>12800157
Explain

[Anonymous No.12800168]

Soichi Noguchi, two decades ago.

[Anonymous No.12800172]

>>12800166
Visual mods are a hell of a drug

[Anonymous No.12800173]

>>12800152
Right? I never understood why the community liked ship spinning over CQ. Captain's quarters was kino and comfy

[Anonymous No.12800174]

>>12800157
>>12800172
framerate?

[Anonymous No.12800175]

>>12800162
In order of most important to least important, it goes: instant communication, artificial gravity, meme reactionless drives (put this last because orion drives could get you far enough, fast enough. And we have that tech now)
We probably will never have access to any of these. Fuck this world, good sci fi set the bar too high

[Anonymous No.12800180]

>>12800175
>instant communication
probably won't happen
>artificial gravity
dude spinhabs lmao
>sufficiently powerful drives
Orion

2/3 ain't bad, and The Expanse shows us what a compelling universe with lightspeed lag looks like.

[Anonymous No.12800181]

>>12800174
smooth 60 with an rx580

[Anonymous No.12800184]

>>12800162
The pictures don't really do it justice, walking around in it was an experience

[Anonymous No.12800187]

>>12800180
Oh i’m fucking dumb lol I literally just mentioned spin habs 5 minutes ago and then completely forgot about it. Yeah orion drives with spin inflatables could pretty much do any job you need. But trying to talk back with Earth? You’re shit outta luck.

[Anonymous No.12800189]

>>12798967
I want to be the Tet, but less of an asshole. I'd go around finding intelligent species, send a remote-controlled humanoid avatar to speak with them, then invite some ambassadors up to my ship to visit. Watch the horror dawn on their faces as they realize the avatar is a puppet and my actual body is the 100-kilometer ship they're in.
Then I'd demand digital copies of all their porn and leave.

[Anonymous No.12800191]

Will Starships making the months long journey to Mars have "working girls" along for the ride so none of the male passengers get too much pent-up "unreleased" energy or get depressed/lonely? Asking for a friend.
(imagine these women arriving on Mars already loaded from the the journey and them opening bars/bordellos there)

[Anonymous No.12800196]

>>12800126
>wanting to live in a box, not in a forest

[Anonymous No.12800197]

>>12800180
It's lightspeed lag with some really big air quotes, because the alien wormhole hub means you're only dealing with interplanetary-scale lag. Orion drives would let us create an interstellar civilization but it couldn't communicate with itself effectively.

[Anonymous No.12800201]

>>12800191
Sexbots. This is the reason for partnering with Japan.

[Anonymous No.12800213]

>>12800168
>mfw 2001 was 20 years ago

[Anonymous No.12800215]

>>12800133
>you’re retarded if you want your own species to spread

Xeno scum

[Anonymous No.12800229]

>>12800162
>>12800184
Check out this video, the game had 4 factions and each faction had a different styled interior. They were planning on going further than that but it never happened.
>https://youtu.be/JjdqPiBvTBE

[Anonymous No.12800242]

>>12800215
Spreading to ensure survival of the species =/= colonizing every inch of the galaxy like a cancerous growth.

[Anonymous No.12800245]

>>12800191
Yes but they'll all be furry anthro women (mostly foxes, but some felines and even scalies)

[Anonymous No.12800246]

>>12800229
I always wonder if people didn't use it because they didn't know it was there

[Anonymous No.12800250]

Musk's PMC is taking looking for operatives
https://boards.greenhouse.io/spacex/jobs/5108698002?gh_jid=5108698002

[Anonymous No.12800255]

>>12800191
No that is fucking degenerate. Learn to control yourself, or at the very least jack or jill it into a napkin if you really need to. This is a civilized ship not a fucking voyage full of Indians

[Anonymous No.12800262]

>>12800242
The universe belongs to us by divine right

[Anonymous No.12800263]

>>12799928
urbanites and maybe half of suburbanites will, but everybody else will like it

[Anonymous No.12800264]

>>12800250
literally nothing

[Anonymous No.12800267]

>>12800191
Did you read Elon's Mars manifesto? Coomers need not apply

[Anonymous No.12800270]

>>12800262
Take your meds, schizo.

[Anonymous No.12800271]

>>12799987
Think about it this way. Only thirteen years ago obama, a democrat, ran on an anti-gay marriage campaign. Nowadays even a good portion of republicans are pro gay marriage and will call you a nazi if you oppose it.

[Anonymous No.12800272]

>>12800255
you envied the life of the guys in Aliens 3 I bet

[Anonymous No.12800276]

>>12800245
Wow you turned fast.
See what happens to people who go into /trash/, everybody? Even for just a moment is too much.

[Anonymous No.12800277]

>>12800270
Not him but he speaks the truth. Making contact with civilized aliens would certainly complicate it, but until then that will be popsci and we have the ability (and possible obligation) to expand anywhere if we so choose

[Anonymous No.12800279]

>>12800270
Kill yourself, xeno. It is our manifest destiny to conquer and colonize this entire galaxy and all others beyond it.

[Anonymous No.12800280]

>>12800137
that could be relatively common in 50ish years for richer people (although not even restricted to super rich people, think people with $3-500000+ annual income

[Anonymous No.12800283]

>>12800267
>planet of the vocels
no thanks

[Anonymous No.12800285]

>>12800277
>we have the ability (and possible obligation)
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12800292]

>>12800283
>Slaanesh cultists rampaging through the cities of Terra, M31, colorized

[Anonymous No.12800295]

>>12800197
By the time anybody is looking at interstellar there will probably be high thrust fusion high ISP fusion engines (think 90% enrichment NSWR but with thermonuclear explosions instead of fission explosions)

[Anonymous No.12800300]

>>12800285
The proxima centaurlet fears the terran corvette.

[Anonymous No.12800305]

>>12800250
They don't want ULA snipers fucking with them.

[Anonymous No.12800307]

Why wouldn't this work?

[Anonymous No.12800310]

>>12798621
Elon is basically von Braun while Bezos is every bad boss you've ever had combined into one.

[Anonymous No.12800311]

https://twitter.com/TerminalCount/status/1368147669802172416

[Anonymous No.12800313]

>>12800277
He is a legitimately schizophrenic person who believes cancerous growth is a good thing because of some projection made on behalf of his sky daddy. Such high levels of population and resource depletion would make everyone much worse off, the galaxy would be a living hell.
>possible obligation
Go on.

[Anonymous No.12800316]

>>12800307
How would you build a skycrane that large, and why would you want to? Would work but wouldn't be practical

[Anonymous No.12800317]

>>12800313
Go fuck a rock, retard.

[Anonymous No.12800318]

>>12800307
>it's turtles all the way down

[Anonymous No.12800322]

>>12800316
JPL said that's the only way to land large masses on Mars

[Anonymous No.12800326]

>>12800250
Bro’s I’m enlisting in the army in 2 or so years (I hate my job but they give stock options to people who have been there 4 years). I want to go down the ranger route. Anyhow if I ever end up working as part of Musk’s Outer Haven I’ll let you guys know

[Anonymous No.12800328]

>>12800310
Amazon starting to look like a fluke, where it had nothing to do with Bezos and everything to do with first mover advantage. CEOs with anticompetitive practices are a dime a dozen

[Anonymous No.12800329]

>>12800313
>We could run out of resources on a galactic scale

....no

[Anonymous No.12800332]

>>12800316
Imagine skycraning down an entire base section then having the crane fuck back off to orbit where it refuels and grabs another module to deliver.

[Anonymous No.12800336]

>>12800322
JPL and SpaceX are both autistic, except JPL is the savant kind where they’re super good at one thing and suck at everything else. SpaceX is the autistic where someone is super outgoing but acts retarded but it’s okay because they’re endearing and based.

[Anonymous No.12800339]

>>12800326
Don't fall for the grunt meme, do a comms or signals related trade and get a clearance

[Anonymous No.12800340]

>>12800322
to JPL "large masses" means anything the size and weight of a VW bug

[Anonymous No.12800341]

>>12800322
>Starship exists and BTFO's this idea
>>12800313
>Go on.
We aren't necessarily obligated to expand, but we have the technology to and we would reap many benefits from it so I sort of see it as "why not?"
>>12800272
Kek, got an audible laugh out of me

[Anonymous No.12800342]

>>12800311
Good riddance to be honest.

[Anonymous No.12800343]

>>12800332
Did that in KSP to make a base on the Minmus flats

[Anonymous No.12800348]

>>12800339
You can’t shoot people tho

[Anonymous No.12800349]

>>12800348
Good point

[Anonymous No.12800352]

>>12800332
Oh don't get me wrong I've definitely thought of this before. When I first saw the skycrane idea for Curiosity I thought it was kerbal, crazy, stupid, genius. A whole lot of thoughts. But now with hindsight it makes a ton of sense and any other method seems dumb save for starship. What you described would be really neat assuming you had the ability to do it—especially if you want to land shit larger than can fit in a 9m starship

[Anonymous No.12800353]

>>12800283
Absolutely heresy

[Anonymous No.12800354]

>>12800341
>Kek, got an audible laugh out of me
thanks, I'm normally in these threads just to make myself laugh, I've noticed they frequently are devoid of humor or warmth

[Anonymous No.12800360]

>>12800354
It’s a side effect of it swarming with aspergoids.

[Anonymous No.12800362]

>>12800283
>Hi, I'm here for the internship at NASA

[Anonymous No.12800363]

>>12800362

[Anonymous No.12800364]

>>12800360
>if only the power of the autism displayed in /sfg/ threads could be harnessed for peaceful purposes

[Anonymous No.12800365]

>>12800311
So starship is going to land on roller skates now? pretty cool desu

[Anonymous No.12800367]

>>12800362
as long as he checks the native american box on the application he would be in

[Anonymous No.12800368]

>>12800329
>YOU WILL EAT THE BUGS, YOU WILL LIVE IN THE KEK CAPSULE
Higher levels of population would lead to more resource scarcity, regardless of if those resources can be found elsewhere. It's no different than Earth, we haven't run out of much but there is increased cost because of high population.
>>12800341
What benefits would be reached beyond moving to carefully selected planets instead of every system in the galaxy? This whole argument has gotten so retarded, there must be a limit to human population below that of using literally every resource possible.

[Anonymous No.12800372]

>>12800020
t. A fucking “artist”
Machines don’t need breaks nor do the people supervising them

[Anonymous No.12800374]

>>12800340
you mean an SUV LOL
>trust me goys it's an suv please, i'll keep saying it

[Anonymous No.12800376]

>>12800368
Resources are practically infinite on a galactic scale. You could core-crack a few rocky planets, out of billions, and have enough minerals to make stupid amounts of consumer goods. It’s not an issue

[Anonymous No.12800379]

>>12800336
huh?

[Anonymous No.12800381]

>>12800341
Starship is a paper rocket

[Anonymous No.12800385]

>>12800368
I agree, I would hate to see us become the equivalent of rapacious termites devouring the entire grand old house that is our galaxy until there is nothing left.

[Anonymous No.12800384]

>>12800322
JPL also thinks that they need a half ton of ballast on their mars descent vehicle
They are autistic animals

[Anonymous No.12800388]

>>12800385
>I would hate to see my own species succeed and conquer all of reality

I can see your black lidless eyes fucking xeno

[Anonymous No.12800389]

>>12800384
When I first heard this I thought it was a joke. What a hilarious waste

[Anonymous No.12800390]

>>12800388
jesus christ dude

[Anonymous No.12800393]

>>12800376
You're not addressing the same argument.

[Anonymous No.12800395]

Where are the aliens bros? Why dont they come say hi? :(

[Anonymous No.12800397]

have sex

[Anonymous No.12800399]

>>12800395
Because they know about your farts in your jars

[Anonymous No.12800404]

>>12800368
>>12800385
Let me redirect you to some resources
>reddit.com/r/space
>twitter.com

[Anonymous No.12800405]

>>12800393
Scarcity is not real when we’re talking about cosmic resources

[Anonymous No.12800406]

>>12800399
even if they did know about those, i think they would appreciate them, not be ashamed

[Anonymous No.12800408]

>>12800390
What?

[Anonymous No.12800411]

>>12800408
Don't listen to them, you are speaking the truth anon

[Anonymous No.12800420]

>>12800404
any trans-accepting spaceflight communities?

[Anonymous No.12800424]

>>12800404
OK, we're going to blitzkreig the galaxy to ensure the survival of our human-volk through infinite liebstram

there, you happy?

[Anonymous No.12800437]

https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1368357220778381312
>Proposed expansion of SpaceX's Boca Launch site overlaid on one of our aerial images from February.

[Anonymous No.12800438]

>>12800420
Please stand under the exhaust plume.

[Anonymous No.12800443]

>>12800424
Hey this sounds like a pretty good idea actually.

[Anonymous No.12800444]

>>12800424
The last thing I want to see is the spread of the g*rman plague to the rest of the galaxy.

[Anonymous No.12800446]

>>12800388
>Succeeding is creating as many people as possible for unspecified reasons.
Coombrain tier logic.
>>12800405
Relative to our population we have many resources that are practical infinite, it doesn't mean that demand for them from higher population doesn't increase the price. If you're making some sci-fi tier leap to defend the idea that we could break down whole planets for resources and that the price of goods wouldn't increase with higher population, the same technology could be used to break down all the planets to the point the population would be nearly infinite and there would be almost nothing left.

[Anonymous No.12800449]

>>12800437
Still not big enough to launch or static fire without evacuating the area

[Anonymous No.12800452]

>>12800449
what so hard about evacuating?

[Anonymous No.12800456]

fuck I've been away from /sfg/ for two days, what did I miss? any cool rogs?

[Anonymous No.12800462]

>>12800446
>Succeeding is creating as many people as possible for unspecified reasons

Please read “The Origin of Species”

> Relative to our population we have many resources that are practical infinite, it doesn't mean that demand for them from higher population doesn't increase the price

Price only goes up if supply has difficulty meeting demand or acquiring the resource becomes more difficult (and thus more costly) for some reason or another. Demand for cars sure went up between 1900 and 1920 but they got more affordable too.

[Anonymous No.12800464]

>>12800456
No rogs, but tracks

[Anonymous No.12800473]

>>12800452
? How do you work if you are doing daily launches?

[Anonymous No.12800474]

>>12800420
Please face wall.
Also are you the Wernher enjoyer anon?
>>12800424
It's not about spreading like a cancer or "conquering in teh name of Earth xdxdxd". It's about having the ability to spread out of Africa. It's about being able to build boats and take a chance to leave cave to search for cool new things. It's about being able to land on the Moon because we can. Continue this line of thinkiing. Should we have stopped at the printing press and model T and called it a day? Oh sorry fellas—society peaked and we aren't allowed to innovate or expand anymore lest we end up like the termites! No. You have a small brain only capable of one dimensional thinking.

[Anonymous No.12800476]

>>12800473
Elon is incorporating a new city and will have full control to exile the populace permanently

[Anonymous No.12800482]

>>12800474
i am, but how did you know

[Anonymous No.12800485]

>>12800476
You still need lots of people working at the pad area where they ready vehicles, maintain them, etc
To stop work and drive 15 minutes away every time they are even doing a pressure test is a massive slow down

Every vehicle has to be tested several times remember
Plus launches/hops

[Anonymous No.12800488]

>>12800485
they're still working on the bunkers arent they?

[Anonymous No.12800489]

How long until space flight is like the following?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2PJD1ps5Y

[Anonymous No.12800492]

>>12800488
Bunkers just saves the trip down the road, it doesn’t let them keep working while the rocket is sitting on the pad fuelled for an hour while they work out a sensor issue

[Anonymous No.12800495]

>>12800462
>Price only goes up if supply has difficulty meeting demand
Which is almost always the case outside of science fiction, great demand cannot be immediately filled. Usually the supply increases enough to meet demand and the price drops off, that would be very different than what would happen if we decided to make as many humans as possible because there would be exponential demand growth that would need some technology that may not even be possible to provide enough supply as fast as the humans are being produced. Even then there can be local supply scarcity and you would have to pay more money for something if it is shipped across the galaxy rather than produced locally.

[Anonymous No.12800497]

>>12800492
When not test in a bunker?

[Anonymous No.12800499]

>>12800488
>>12800492

The bunkers are for the equipment, not the workers.

[Anonymous No.12800502]

>>12800482
I only know of one tranny here and I know you have a thing for Von Braun. I do think you have a mental illness but I would never give you grief for it should we ever cross paths IRL. A fren is a fren even if they are a fag

[Anonymous No.12800503]

Venus is actually an ocean planet because theCO2 and nitrogen at the surface is in a super critical fluid state

[Anonymous No.12800510]

>>12800502
No quarter, trannies are not your fren and they must be spaced to prevent their illness from spreading.

[Anonymous No.12800511]

>>12800503
VSL1 Bussard thruster/cannon to dump hydrogen into the planet when?

[Anonymous No.12800516]

>>12800510
Just leave him near the airlock and there's a 40% chance he'll space himself.

[Anonymous No.12800518]

>>12798973

[Anonymous No.12800520]

>>12800510
Id fuck a tranny into spaceflight as long as they're cute

[Anonymous No.12800521]

>>12800404
>reddit.com/r/space
It's fun going to anything spacex related on there and sort the comments by controversial. the amount of salt and sperging done by retarded redditards is hilarious

[Anonymous No.12800524]

>>12800502
thank you, i have begun therapy to fix my brain. and yes, von braun is a hero of mine. his dream propells me to strive for impossible goals

[Anonymous No.12800527]

>>12800499
Elon is less ambitious than I thought

[Anonymous No.12800531]

>>12800527
Workers are expendable but Starship isn't

[Anonymous No.12800532]

>>12800524
>impossible goals
Such as becoming a woman?

[Anonymous No.12800533]

>>12800524
Good news at least. Don't die an hero. I assume you were born a biological male? If I may ask

[Anonymous No.12800535]

>>12800527
FAA is a buncha cock smokers

[Anonymous No.12800536]

>>12800524
>>12800532
topkek

[Anonymous No.12800539]

>>12800516
>>12800532
I'm fucking dying over here laughing lmao

[Anonymous No.12800542]

>>12800516
aahahaha

[Anonymous No.12800544]

How long until space flight is like the following?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2PJD1ps5Y

[Anonymous No.12800545]

>>12800372
Boring jobs require shorter shifts even more than demanding jobs.

[Anonymous No.12800547]

>>12800544
We gaan ?

[Anonymous No.12800561]

>>12800533
ye

[Anonymous No.12800566]

[Anonymous No.12800569]

>>12800381
How?

[Anonymous No.12800571]

>>12800566
very nice

[Anonymous No.12800572]

>>12800353
what is this from?

[Anonymous No.12800573]

>>12800524
>>12800532
S-IC level burn.

[Anonymous No.12800575]

>>12800545
People would rather have boring jobs than demanding jobs, you could easily pay someone minimum wage to spend 12 hours watching paint dry and there are a lot of low pay 12 hour shift jobs that are equally as boring. I do agree that you get less work done on 12 hours shifts than 8 hour shifts for each hour worked and that humans are most productive in short periods.

[Anonymous No.12800577]

>>12799638

[Anonymous No.12800586]

>>12800520
90% don't pass

[Anonymous No.12800588]

>>12800586
99.9%* Go to /r/transpassing if you want proof.

[Anonymous No.12800591]

tfw bridenstine nasa was nasa in overdrive. now they will capitulate to the undriven sloths

[Anonymous No.12800592]

>>12800588
I'm not surprised its worse then I thought.

[Anonymous No.12800603]

>>12800588
Fascinating how the term sounds similar to "trespassing", like they're somewhere they shouldn't be, like in the role of pretending to be women

[Anonymous No.12800610]

>>12800603
Life imitates farts in a jar.

[Anonymous No.12800612]

>>12800518
>and yes, that is the silluette of a space wolfu in the background.

[Anonymous No.12800614]

>>12800591
I wish Jim had said "if you can't handle it, quit."

[Anonymous No.12800618]

>>12800591
Imagine NASA being even slower lmao

[Anonymous No.12800621]

>>12800591
How much of their time is spent doing paper work that isn’t necessary

[Anonymous No.12800629]

>>12800621
It's a government agency. Making them do real work without paperwork probably violates some obscure law.

[Anonymous No.12800630]

>>12800588
Top of all time tho... kind of got me feeling things bros

[Anonymous No.12800636]

>>12800591
>now they will capitulate to the undriven sloths

This sums up Biden's NASA admin.

[Anonymous No.12800643]

>>12800614
he said something similar. "maybe nasa isnt for you" but quickly had to walk it back lmao

[Anonymous No.12800645]

>>12800614
>If you can't handle it here, perhaps you should consider a transport ship.
>There's a lot less pressure there.
t. Jim

[Anonymous No.12800648]

>>12800643
it took 8 years to get to the Moon and they did that using slide rules and paper drawings instead of CAD

These people need to be pressured to leave with reducing their income to minimum wage.

[Anonymous No.12800651]

>>12800643
>>12800645
I miss him so much, bros.

[Anonymous No.12800654]

>>12800648
oh god i remember taking those screenshots. that Slazer guy used to be the VP of Aerojet Rocketdyne

[Anonymous No.12800655]

>>12800618
Personally, I'm 43 years old. I don't have to imagine it.
It's been my fucking life.

[Anonymous No.12800663]

> commenting in a 600+ post thread

[Anonymous No.12800670]

>>12799981
>Photons are massless
Than what even are they made of?

[Anonymous No.12800672]

>>12800651
Please let this not be the bad end

[Anonymous No.12800683]

>>12800648
Imagine citing the length of time of commercial crew as if that has bearing on anything.. people are just cargo!

[Anonymous No.12800685]

>>12800663
We're on page 7 boy, still got 3 more until we're free.

[Anonymous No.12800693]

>>12800670
cum and sperm

[Anonymous No.12800694]

Bros... My SpaceX fanboyism has gotten to a point where nothing except their projects excites me anymore. It all just seems so unimaginative and inefficient when you compare. I watch this thing once every week and love it even more whenever I watch it. Is this the fault of old space?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8JyvzU0CXU

[Anonymous No.12800700]

Zubrin still pushing mini starship as of 6 days ago what the fuck zubby give it a rest
>elon just make a whole new vehicle easy so easy promise it's easy

[Anonymous No.12800701]

>>12800663
>You know, I'm something of a tourist myself
ftfy

[Anonymous No.12800703]

>>12800693
>To maximise payload, astronauts have to shit, piss and cum before launching to space
>For efficiency, everyone does it at once in the showers prior to suiting up

[Anonymous No.12800705]

>>12800694
The music is based, and funny enough I though they took liberties to make Texas look all pretty with that nice sunset in this animation—but this is almost exactly what the sky looked like during the SN10 flight. SpaceX is based and have given me a paradigm shift for spaceflight. Used to think the space shuttle was cool but my eyes have been opened and the redpill has been consumed

[Anonymous No.12800707]

>>12800630
Morbidly obese women can look good in photos too, the fact that more trannies don't pass in photos despite their makeup, camera angles, and no way to tell their scale is telling.

[Anonymous No.12800708]

>>12800670
They're quanta of radiation. They're not really composed of anything except "photon"

At least that's the currently understood paradigm

[Anonymous No.12800712]

>>12800700
After 4 years of bitching about Trump he’s back to what he knows best

[Anonymous No.12800717]

>>12800670
vibing strings LOL

[Anonymous No.12800719]

>>12800707
Yeah good point. It's only temporary. I can't help but look at all of the photos and think hmm, men. Men. Men? Men!
>>12800591
We haven't talked about Big Jim in a while. He was such a good leader for NASA honestly. The fact that he survived early hit pieces from Vox and Vice news, and somehow Twitter and reddit came around to loving him shows how much attention he was able to bring to the agency

[Anonymous No.12800722]

>>12800683
>people are just cargo!


We her type did cause the Challenger accident because some administrators lost sight of the purpose of the Shuttle program by puting other people's jobs at a higher priority than lives & billions of dollars worth of equipment.

See this photo? They're images from DoD spy stuff. The photos were taken after a NASA employee went around a female Admin's approval. She flat out rejected the DoD's offering many times. Once she learned of what her employees did she launched an investigation over people subverting her authority.

She's like that Cop who tried to throw a fire fighter into jail when he was trying to do CPR on a woman and couldn't move his truck, but the cop wanted it moved out of the way.

https://youtu.be/fpw3ISEoVvA?t=103

Skip to 1:43

[Anonymous No.12800723]

>>12800705
>Used to think the space shuttle was cool but my eyes have been opened and the redpill has been consumed
The mere existence of the Starship development makes it impossible to pretend otherwise

[Anonymous No.12800730]

>>12800700
So they'll need to launch twice as many?

[Anonymous No.12800757]

>>12800712
After four years of being wrong he has continued to be wrong.

[Anonymous No.12800758]

>>12798559
Bro’s I’m going to be honest with all of you. Some days I’m obsessed with going into space and other days I’m obsessed with joining the marines as a grunt. Can someone tell me if I can do both of these?

[Anonymous No.12800761]

>>12800757
cope

[Anonymous No.12800764]

>>12800758
Consider the current administration. Do you really want to spend three years minimum saluting Biden?

[Anonymous No.12800767]

>>12800758
If you’re dumb enough to join the marines as a grunt you aren’t smart enough to be allowed off-planet.

[Anonymous No.12800786]

>>12800758
What's appealing about dying for Israel unless you have literally no other options

[Anonymous No.12800792]

>>12800764
True. I was willing to go under Obama though just because I was hung ho no matter what

>>12800767
Army?

>>12800786
I will not die

[Anonymous No.12800793]

>>12800758
Space Force is not a real branch yet, so not really.

[Anonymous No.12800796]

>>12800793
It never will be

[Anonymous No.12800801]

>>12800764
>>12800767
>>12800786
>obese/skinnyfat nerds who get social anxiety from talking to the cashier at the gas station down the street

[Anonymous No.12800811]

>>12800801
I had recruiters from multiple branches begging me to enlist in high school. I chose not to because I couldn't respect Dubya as CinC.

[Anonymous No.12800824]

>>12800801
If you have an IQ above 85 you can be in the military, I don't get why you see that as an accomplishment. They even let women and tr*nnies in these days lmao

[Anonymous No.12800827]

>>12800824
I almost went in. But when I found out I would have to take orders from female officers, I just couldn't. It just seems so fucking wrong.

[Anonymous No.12800831]

>>12800824
>If you have an IQ above 85 you can be in the military, I don't get why you see that as an accomplishment.

Lots of people with "high IQs" would crack like an egg in basic.

[Anonymous No.12800837]

Are there orbital maneuvers within either LEO or MEO that would be unrealistic to make with a space tug because the deltaV needed is so great they would require a dedicated launch or a tug so large it wouldn't be economical to use? Something that actually makes sense based on common insertions, please, not 180 degree inclination changes or boosting to GEO from 200 km altitude.

No bully.

[Anonymous No.12800838]

>>12800831
>Lots of people with "high IQs" would crack like an egg in basic.

[Anonymous No.12800841]

>>12800758
If you go navy then you can absolutely get yourself on the path to becoming an astronaut.

[Anonymous No.12800858]

>>12800837
An easy example is something like SHERPA which can move between 300 kilometer and 600 kilometer orbits in the same inclination. It’s not a lot but many customers have specific altitudes. Also small inclination changes are useful. Aside from that, space tugs don’t do much.

[Anonymous No.12800863]

>>12800474
you're kind of obsessed with this idea of something that may or may not happen thousands of years from now, aren't you? OK guy, the universe will eventually support trillions of humans and anybody who says otherwise should be gassed, glad I had this chance to converse with you

[Anonymous No.12800867]

>>12800758
Become a navy or airforce pilot

[Anonymous No.12800876]

>>12800863
Kek you literally made up an argument on my behalf and then proceeded to get mad at it. I'm indifferent whether or not we expand or not. I think going back to the Moon would be cool. And I think having a little Mars colony would be interesting even if it ended up amounting to a just a shitty Antarctica-like research station funded by a billionaire.

[Anonymous No.12800895]

>>12800837
A tug is any reusable propulsion/guidance bus that can be refueled in orbit and reused rather than discarded. At one point ULA had plans for ACES based hydrolox tugs and depots.

[Anonymous No.12800903]

>>12800876
so are you the sperg that's been calling people reptillians if they don't agree with you that "cracking a few plants up" will allow us to build mega-structures in space and support populations of trillions? This really isn't the place for that. You got any ideas about an eventual Mars colony or not? Please don't try to drag me into conversing about your obsession with "conquering the galaxy!"

[Anonymous No.12800908]

>>12800700
Does zubrin still insist on return vehicles being sent first

[Anonymous No.12800912]

>>12800867
he said he wants to go to Mars, not become an airline pilot

[Anonymous No.12800915]

>>12800908
yes. apparently he wants elon to develop both starship and a mini starship. the starship should stay on mars and only mini starships come home

[Anonymous No.12800920]

>>12800903
That was a different anon; please take your meds

[Anonymous No.12800928]

>>12800915
That is so fucking stupid. Something tells me zubrin did some mental gymnastics somewhere and has convinced himself that this mini starship idea is somehow connected to mars direct

[Anonymous No.12800929]

>>12800895
>shelby agitator

[Anonymous No.12800931]

>>12800929
Great to see how much SpaceX has pioneered that technology.

[Anonymous No.12800936]

>>12800903
A human-colonized galaxy would have a population of octillions or more

[Anonymous No.12800939]

>>12800928
yeah it's very bizarre

[Anonymous No.12800940]

>>12800858
>>12800895
My question was poorly phrased, so there isn't any orbit where it would cost more money to get your satellite there using a tug than it would be to get a dedicated small lift launch? Some rare orbit that would require a lot of deltaV from a normal rideshare insertion point?

More specifically a satellite on a tug launched from Starship compared with whatever small launcher, say the Electron. The Vigoride can do 2 KM/S for around 5 million, if more deltaV is needed than that I don't think it could be competitive. Basically I want to know the edge cases for small lift rockets in the future, outside of being able to launch as immediately as possible.

[Anonymous No.12800941]

Zubrin taking Sagan to task lol

[Anonymous No.12800946]

>>12800941
Fuck space vegans and fuck "science" popularization. All that shit did was make two generations autistic and spawn soience.

[Anonymous No.12800949]

and Zubrin dunking on O'Neill fags. As an O'Neill fag, I am wounded. Can someone smarter than me debunk Zubrin?

[Anonymous No.12800954]

>>12800949
We can't launch that much material. Too expensive with no rewards. No economic case.

[Anonymous No.12800956]

>>12800949
It's a long ways away. Not something we should focus on outside neat concept art. Zubrin is a realist with autistic focus on Mars, so he is bound to oppose ideas that seem completely impossible at the current level of development.

[Anonymous No.12800959]

>>12800946
True
>>12800941
Damn, based

[Anonymous No.12800964]

>>12799149
What's wrong with being a liberal?

[Anonymous No.12800966]

>>12800954
Unless we have eugenics assholes will be imported and ruin the cylinders.

[Anonymous No.12800967]

>>12800940
There is none. A regular 200 kilo rideshare on F9 is $1 million. With a tug that goes up to about $5 million. Electron is like $7.5 million per launch to the same orbit. Smallsat launchers are a meme

[Anonymous No.12800969]

>>12800956
They're impractical at any level of development. If you need living space so badly that you'd consider making something so ridiculous, the best and only real option is to invade someone that can't defend themselves and take their space.

[Anonymous No.12800971]

>>12800964
Nothing, but Authoritarian progressives are an issue.

[Anonymous No.12800975]

>>12800964
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12800978]

>>12800969
Not at ANY level. They will be needed as Arks if FTL is truly impossible, no one would want to live in a shitty cramped ship with stale air for their entire life. Cities are already causing so much mental illness in people and they're not half as unnatural as that.

[Anonymous No.12800980]

>>12800949
See the problem with cylinders is that if you want a few hundred people permanently living in space within the next 20 years, the infrastructure to build a cylinder won’t exist by then. Actually even in O’Neill’s book, “The High Frontier” he talks about using a lunar base to shoot materials into space for building the cylinder. The thing is, if you have a base on the moon, why not drop a few dozen colonists down while you’re at it?

[Anonymous No.12800981]

>>12800954
I'm with you on the economics but why are you trying to launch any of the bulk materials? The steel comes from Psyche and the dirt comes from asteroid-eating greenhouse stations.

[Anonymous No.12800982]

>>12798580
TSTO x33 type craft. One is autonomous and all propellant. To serve as a fly back booster. The other is either autonomous cargo or strictly passengers. Refueling in orbit possible by flying 2 boosters together. One going up as a tanker.

[Anonymous No.12800983]

>>12800978
>Cities are already causing so much mental illness in people
Cities don't have magic properties. Modern madness is caused deliberately by schools and mass media.

[Anonymous No.12800986]

>>12800983
They actually do. Read up on oversocialization and it's consequences. Humans get pretty nutty when they exist very high population densities. The lack of grenery and constant noise/shit air are also parts of it. There is a reason cities are called population sinks.

[Anonymous No.12801008]

>>12801002
The issue is the abolition of communities and totalitarian bureaucracy
Too many distractions and techno gadgets
School takes too long and teaches nothing

[Anonymous No.12801011]

It's caused by Lawyers, society use to be conservative because there were repercussions.Now lawyers shield people from repercussions.

These men would have been publicly executed a century ago if society back then knew the type of potential a Sadist who abused animals has within them.

[Anonymous No.12801015]

>>12801008
Socialism might have been considered cutting edge and progressive in the 1800s but now it's got all the flexibility of the Spanish Inquisition. Until Marxism dies permanently as a serious belief system, the world will be stuck. Welcome to the third dark age.

[Anonymous No.12801017]

>spaceflight

[Anonymous No.12801026]

>>12801011
>caring about animals

[Anonymous No.12801027]

>>12801017
page 9 political discussion happens all the time newfriend

[Anonymous No.12801033]

>>12801017
"Space is 80% politics, 20% technology" - my ass

[Anonymous No.12801039]

>>12801026
If the Republicans cared they would pass the Michael Vick act that bans people who engaged in dog fighting from playing professional sports.

[Anonymous No.12801040]

>>12801033
And 50% heavy engineering

[Anonymous No.12801049]

>>12801039
Professional sports organizations are privately owned and can hire whoever they want

[Anonymous No.12801051]

>>12801011
Treating anything living with that amount of contempt should be an immediate exclusion from the species. If you have to kill something, make sure you do it in a respectful way since no other animal has that capability. Maybe you could take it out on them when we were cave people or early civilizations where animals fucked with humans big time, but the powergap is just so immense at this point that it is inexcusable.

[Anonymous No.12801053]

>>12801040
90% concentrated power of pain.

[Anonymous No.12801054]

>>12801051
>implying you wouldnt torture certain people for years if you could

[Anonymous No.12801058]

>>12801054
Yea like all women mirite

[Anonymous No.12801062]

>>12801058
yikes

[Anonymous No.12801063]

i hab complete undertale theme rocket oc. it not much, but a parting gift to a interesting general on /sci/ board. i leav u now :)

[Anonymous No.12801068]

>>12801063
where are you going

[Anonymous No.12801073]

>>12801054
No I fucking wouldn't psycho.

[Anonymous No.12801074]

>>12801073
I can't take you seriously as an adult man if you wouldn't torture pedophiles and rape them

[Anonymous No.12801076]

>>12801068
to the /his/ board for all the week

[Anonymous No.12801078]

>>12801054
Only Boeing's executives
>>12801074
>rape
leave that to big bubba

[Anonymous No.12801099]

>>12801058
based

[Anonymous No.12801113]

NASA:
>How do we make this video more inclusive and less offensive? Oh, shit, make sure to have at least one black person, (not too many though.) and oh, have a bunch of women too. Do we have any hispanics? Dress them up in lab uniforms, make sure to get a shot of them, otherwise our funding will be cut. Okay, lets add some hip music to this video. No, not that kind of music, somethingmore acceptable... okay, this conversation only cost $40 million, that's a good thing. Let's take a break and continue tomorrow.
SpaceX:
>How do we make this engine more efficient?

[Anonymous No.12801118]

>>12801051
This. If you must kill something to survive, kill it quickly. Humans are held to a higher intellectual standard; we should be held to a higher moral standard.

[Anonymous No.12801126]

>>12801118
morality is just opinion

[Anonymous No.12801128]

>>12800981
Yeah that makes a lot more sense I didn't think of that.
At present it's easier to make a colony on mars. Once we have sufficient infrastructure to mine asteroids in bulk then O'neil cylinders make more sense. It's just a lot more effort to make them compared to a planetary surface.

[Anonymous No.12801129]

>>12801126
Morality is objective. You being unable to see it is an objective moral failure on your part. This is not hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.12801134]

>>12801126
Yeah, not torturing infants is a choice most of us have to make at some point in life.

[Anonymous No.12801153]

>>12801129
>Morality is objective.

Prove it.

[Anonymous No.12801167]

>>12800949
>>12800949
The thing is that we can send people to Mars in a decade, while it would take another century to have working colonies out in space

[Anonymous No.12801171]

>>12800949
The main advantage of O'Neill cylinders is you can have all the advantages of living in gravity, without having to claw your way out of a gravity well every time you want to leave. They seem stupid at first when all your steel industry is Earthside, but once you've got a lot of mining and industry going on in the asteroid belt it makes sense to just build habitats out near where the building resources are. Transit between distant cylinders would be quite cheap because of the low delta v needed.

[Anonymous No.12801177]

>>12800949
He's right. O'Neill cylinders are only practical if you have some scifi engines or you're really desperate. Like "the Earth is no longer habitable" desperate.

[Anonymous No.12801185]

>>12800967
I just don't know, a 30 degree plane change looks like it would take about 3.6 km/s deltaV, that would be a bit extreme as most of SpaceX insertion orbits seem to be around 53 degrees, polar, SSO, with probably the odd low inclination launch of around 28 degrees. Still, a change like that would require a larger tug that would cost more than an Electron launch, at least until tug costs come down more so it's possible they can't completely replace the small-lift vehicle market.

[Anonymous No.12801192]

>>12801153
Conscious beings don't want to suffer.

[Anonymous No.12801193]

>>12801177
>O'Neill cylinders are only practical if you have some scifi engines
Hold my oceanography diploma.

[Anonymous No.12801200]

>>12800967
>>12801185
Never mind last post, I had the wrong information. The Vigoride Extended can move 400kg with up to 6km/s deltaV and has a preliminary price of $4.8 million. That would be enough to reach all the rare orbits without being that expensive.

[Anonymous No.12801220]

>>12801200
Electron has the small benefit of actually existing, whereas Vigoride keeps being pushed back

[Anonymous No.12801229]

>>12801220
It was pushed back because of issues with FAA approval, not anything else. They were ready months ago for the transporter-1 mission, couldn't get the permit, so SpaceX put Starlink sats in their place instead.

[Anonymous No.12801232]

>>12801192
And how does that dubious assertion lead to "objective morals"?

[Anonymous No.12801245]

>>12801220
Why do people shill for RocketLab so hard?

[Anonymous No.12801250]

>>12801245
diff anon, havent been following Rocket Lab much, but after their spac? thing I've seen more Rocket Lab FUD on /sfg/ than anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.12801257]

>>12801245
Mostly hope that someone other than SpaceX will get first stage reusability right this decade.

[Anonymous No.12801259]

>>12801245
personally think they're cool for branching into satellite buses and spacecraft since rockets wont be their mainstay. they're starting to diversify into more than a rocket company. i think beck himself said he wished he'd picked a different name in hindsight. or maybe it was misdirection all along. wouldnt put it past peter, small launch is a race to the bottom, if anyone can make it out alive it's RL

[Anonymous No.12801260]

>>12801039
That would disqualify mostly black and thus is racist

[Anonymous No.12801267]

>>12800912
Astronauts are almost always pilots. If he goes into the navy as a pilot and uses his free tuition to get an engineering degree then he will be more qualified than 90% of applicants

[Anonymous No.12801271]

>>12801250
>Rocket Lab FUD on /sfg/ than anywhere else.
That is because people with even limited knowledge of spaceflight it look at it very differently than if you don't know anything about it and you take their investor's presentation at face value. Most of the Rocket Lab supporters here are pretty reasonable, just optimistic, and I wouldn't say they're shills like you get on /biz/.
>>12801259
It's not nearly as good of an idea as you think. If I hire Rocket Lab to build me a satellite I'm still stuck with their launch prices when I could have gone with another company that would be cheaper and they would just book a flight on the Falcon 9 or whatever for me.

[Anonymous No.12801292]

>>12799807
now THAT is a roover

[Anonymous No.12801300]

>>12801271
Also if we try to value their smallsat business it would be extremely overvalued, some of the largest smallsat companies have a market cap of just 50 million.

[Anonymous No.12801313]

reusable ssto skycranes carrying standardised iso pressurised space containers.
invest now!

[Anonymous No.12801326]

>>12800941
>antibiotics and vaccines
That's heckin' different.
We have no right to destroy other worlds and colonize them.

[Anonymous No.12801329]

>>12801326
says who?

[Anonymous No.12801331]

>>12801326
>We have no right to destroy other worlds and colonize them.

I dunno the Bible said specifically that the other stuff exists for us to eat, and for us to be fruitful and multiply.

[Anonymous No.12801334]

>>12801329
Ethics and common sense of anyone who knows of the atrocious crimes humans have committed and are committing to fellow human beings and the biosphere itself?

[Anonymous No.12801339]

>>12801334
so crusty hippies. no one cares what they think.

[Anonymous No.12801343]

>>12801334
>crimes against mindless bacteria

[Anonymous No.12801347]

> commenting on a 700+ post thread

>>12800701
I've been here from the beginning, now get back to cleaning up those unexplained brown nuggets in the pisslock space Mexican

[Anonymous No.12801349]

>>12801339
Pouring poison in rivers and torturing animals in labs was common practice until the so called "crusty hippies" fought to prevent it.

Nobody's going to let things revert back to the dark ages like how >>12801331 suggests in space just because its "far away".

Life can, and might form on other worlds. We can study, but we can't touch, we can't destroy.

>Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints

That is the philosophy that that must drive any and all human (robotic) presence beyond Earth. The quicker we can implement it here as well, the better - for us, and the world itself.

[Anonymous No.12801350]

>>12801347
>700 posts to orbit
sfg thread rogget grows larger

[Anonymous No.12801351]

>>12800700
> Zubrin starts to realise Mars will happen without anything to do with him
> Starts to crack
> Goes full Ted Kasynski living off grid in the wilderness mailing letter bombs, writing manifestos on planetary protection and demanding that SpaceX halt all plans for Mars exploration.
You know it's got a double digit percent chance of happening

[Anonymous No.12801354]

>>12801349
>Life can, and might form on other worlds.

Who cares? Microbes don't have moral significance, since they are mindless.

>We can study, but we can't touch, we can't destroy.

Why not?

[Anonymous No.12801356]

>>12801049
Not actually true. Congress has direct authority to tell them what to do as uniquely sanctioned monopoly leagues.

[Anonymous No.12801358]

>>12801351
>zubrin
>siding with the eco-goth fags
No.

[Anonymous No.12801361]

>>12801358
Have you not seen his twitter rants about Trump
The guys basically a leftard screaming about nazis under his bed

[Anonymous No.12801363]

>>12801354
>Microbes are mindless

You are already placing intrinsic values to Life and somehow deciding to arbitrarily rate humans toward the top.

That thinking... leads to bad things, as history shows. History nobody wants to repeat.

[Anonymous No.12801367]

>>12801361
Zubrin is basically a left behind democrat - he's a nazi according to the current appdated to the latest firmware standards.
Note how occasionally he still uses religious bogey men like evangelicals and so on: things mostly gone for a decade and maybe two.
At least he decided not to ride the woke wave, indicating he's actually sincere about spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.12801368]

>>12801363
>You are already placing intrinsic values to Life

I assign zero intrinsic value to life in general. I only assign intrinsic value to humans, and value of other things is rated by their utility to us, or just potential amusement value.

>and somehow deciding to arbitrarily rate humans toward the top.

Humans are my species, and therefore it is rational to value us the most.

>That thinking... leads to bad things, as history shows. History nobody wants to repeat.

No I definitely want to repeat humans exterminating inferior lifeforms like mammoths and colonizing the entire planet on an intergalactic scale.

[Anonymous No.12801369]

>>12801363
Humans are towards the top because there's literally nothing else to measure it against. You're building an argument from an axiom that requires the degradation of human life and an insane presumption of value that can be destroyed by presence, when value is itself a concept of our own creation.

[Anonymous No.12801371]

>>12801313
Isn't the Cygnus Standard Container literally what Neutron's launch site, payload capacity, and fairing volume indicate is happening? This also offers some good comparison names from water shipping.
>a spacecraft that can only carry one or two CSCs is a space truck (Antares, Neutron, Falcon 9)
>a spacecraft that can haul many CSCs internally is a space ship (Falcon Heavy, Shuttle, Saturn V, SLS, Starship)
>a spacecraft that attaches a line of CSCs to its rear and pulls is a space freight train
>a non-linear cluster of CSCs pushed by a space tug or left to coast inert is a space barge

[Anonymous No.12801373]

>>12801368
Based lebensraum fag. If more opponents of the crazies were this honest, then maybe they would not have gotten that far.

[Anonymous No.12801380]

>>12801373
Deep ecology is just misanthropy wearing a paper bag over it's head.

[Anonymous No.12801381]

>>12801371
my thinking was you'd have a ship built in and staying in space. you'd fly up say 20 odd of these containers on multiple flights and they'd be attached around and along a large strut at the front of the ship. this would then burn out to mars or where ever, and then it would use a drone skycrane to undock and land those containers, refuelling every time it comes back to the main ship.
or something. more like container ships.

[Anonymous No.12801382]

>>12801381
oh and this model would definitely need depots. sorry senator.

[Anonymous No.12801387]

>>12801382
Reported for using the D-word.

[Anonymous No.12801388]

>>12801351
Zubrin, pls. We’re already going to name a city on Mars for you.

>>12801371
>Space tug yeets a train of a dozen Cygnuses to TLI
>Detaches and quickly does a retro burn
>Goes back to the orbital spaceport to yeet another train to Mars
Can’t wait to be a tugship driver.

[Anonymous No.12801390]

>>12801326
lol

[Anonymous No.12801397]

>>12801381
20 is too low. You need at least 38 to compete with Starship, because otherwise you cam just send a pair of Starships directly to Mars. Cutting out about 20 SS+SH tanker flights for refueling three Mars starships starts making the case for a dedicated freighter... and even then it requires Martian infrastructure in orbit to receive the cargo.

Alternatively you need some ridiculous meme tier drive that can get you there outside Hohmann transfer windows.

[Anonymous No.12801407]

>>12801367
Zubrin is a Jew with no kids, so his casual hatred of christians is typical for him, same as his support for mass unending immigration
It’s normal for a 70 year old man not to go along with the various bizarre twitter trends like banning dr Seuss

[Anonymous No.12801419]

https://spacenews.com/nasa-hikes-prices-for-commercial-iss-users/
>700% price increases across the board
Excuse me, what the fuck? Why didn't I hear about this? That's absolutely fucked

[Anonymous No.12801424]

>>12801419
Their budget was cut, iss doesn’t run on magic

[Anonymous No.12801429]

>>12801419
>One hour of crew member time, previously $17,500, is now $130,000.
That's fucked up.

[Anonymous No.12801431]

>>12801419
>this kills the axiom :)

[Anonymous No.12801436]

>>12801424
this is punitive btw, it's not due to budgets. it's a difference of philosophy in administrations

[Anonymous No.12801443]

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>>12801442
>>12801442
>>12801442
>>12801442

[Anonymous No.12801444]

>>12801429
They paid 50 million a seat to put them there, and they have to spend most of their time maintaining the ISS

Sounds like a normal hourly rate

[Anonymous No.12801507]

>>12800464
have they drawn a penis yet

[Anonymous No.12801567]

>>12801113
haha rocket factory go brrrrrr

[Anonymous No.12801823]

>>12800694
Why would anything else excite you. 400 billion to repeat what was done 50 years ago ONCE versus 1 BILLION to unlock a literal sci fi futirrt

[Anonymous No.12801846]

>>12799241
AP is some ancient fucking furry.
>>12799452
>5+ hour engine chill
holy crap
but it's an aerospace-grade engine chill!
>>12799386
The best part is it's next to a wildlife park. But that's not as bad as it sounds, Cape Canaveral is too. A launch complex is a great way to have lots of space for wildlife that won't get developed, because it needs so much empty land.
>>12799528
>free floating water into orbit
It would either freeze or boil, but it would cease to be liquid at those pressures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Triple_point