/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12756227]

Is it possible for all of us to become vegans at some point in the future, scientifically speaking?

[Anonymous No.12756249]

sure however humans are omnivores. We should respectfully fish and hunt or peacefully breed some sheep or something.
We shouldn't have stuff like mcdonalds or hunt for entertainment.

[Anonymous No.12756256]

It is possible. I don't know why you would like that to happen though

[Anonymous No.12756257]

i only eat fish and sometimes turkey. that's about it

[Anonymous No.12756260]

>>12756227
All of us will inevitably become vegan eventually.

[Anonymous No.12756275]

>>12756227
I like the argument is literally
>veggies are colourful and tasty! owo
>meat is rotten and cute fluffy animals were hurt! ; - ;

[Anonymous No.12756286]

plants have fuck all bioavailable protein, so no

[Anonymous No.12756334]

>>12756275
>cute fluffy animals were hurt!
this should be enough to become a vegan

[Anonymous No.12756448]

>>12756227
>>12756334
Imagine if at some point in the future we discover that plants are like, super advanced lifeforms with higher levels of conscience and intelligence than even humans. That's the future pill. About 100 years from now we're all gonna be carnists.

[Anonymous No.12756453]

>>12756448
Forest-wide interconnected fungal colonies dindu nuffin

[Anonymous No.12756465]

>>12756334
But i hate animals.

[Anonymous No.12756467]

>>12756227
Imagine being grown all the time on the earth, about to get out and see the sunli-- nope, you land on the factory that squeezes you, rips you to shreds and your dead body will be put on shelves and become a mockery out of meat being branded as "Beyond meat".

[Anonymous No.12756471]

>>12756453
Could a brain be created using fungi as neurons?

[Anonymous No.12756473]

>>12756227
Possible, but improbable. I doubt people would care enough about animals to change their diets so massively.

[Anonymous No.12756725]

>>12756227
No.
/thread

[Anonymous No.12756730]

>>12756227
>your stomach is a graveyard
That turns me on. Imagine being in a qt3.14's tummy

[Anonymous No.12756889]

arguments in favor of veganism never make much sense in my experience, it boils down to a fundamental value judgement that more complex living things are somehow entitled to not be eaten. This is of course ridiculous, humans can and will eat anything they can get away it, and it just so happens that eating animals is tasty with manageable consequences while eating other humans is more trouble than its worth (prions disease)

even if presented from a nutritional and health argument, if responsible meat eaters can still live comfortably to 100 then veganism simply has no merits other than a vague feeling of some ethical superiority

[Anonymous No.12756942]

>>12756227
>once livin,breathin

plants live and breath too, vegroids are fuckwits

[Anonymous No.12756950]

>>12756227
>You are what you eat
I'm human, and I'm not a carnivore! Not for lack of trying, though.

[Anonymous No.12757323]

>>12756227
Yes, just kill all the animals. Can't eat meat if there isn't any.

[Anonymous No.12757330]

>>12756227
No, because a society composed 100% of retarded filth is unsustainable.

[Anonymous No.12757346]

>>12756227
>MY STOMACH IS A GRAVEYARD!
It sounds like the beginning of a bad metal song

[Anonymous No.12757353]

>>12756227
the right is 200times more healthy, I am not even joking, the left is 50% suger

[Anonymous No.12757361]

>>12756334
wrong
maybe you should not showering becuae you kill millions of microbe lifeforms.
also farming veggies kills tons of small mammanls in the feilds

[Anonymous No.12757371]

>>12756334
Here's a deer eating a human corpse.

There's no such thing as a 'cute fluffy animal'

[Anonymous No.12757401]

>>12756227
>vegans
Kill yourself you commie faggot

[Anonymous No.12757439]

>>12756249
We are more herbivorous than carnivorous. It's not black and white.
We are adapted to eating meat, but as far as I know, we are not technically omnivores.
Otherwise, saturated fats and cholesterol would not build up on our arteries and develop into atherosclerosis as young as in our 20s and 30s.

Dogs for example, develop atherosclerosis at age 9, which is about 60 human years, and dogs are technically omnivores and have way more meat in their diet.
Meat was necessary for our survival, but not anymore.

I still think it would require the entire world to think of veganism as the ethical way. I think meat will just be expensive and a high class food before we reach that point.

[Anonymous No.12757482]

We'll have to kill animals anyways to retain ecological balance. Might as well eat them.

[Anonymous No.12757511]

>>12756227
Even in Star Trek TNG they had backtrack on the veganist future and acknowledge Humans cooking, hunting and eating meat and dairy... our vision of utopia includes eating lots of meat, and even with replicators we will go out of the way to hunt and fish so deal with it faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvVJrMtOfNM

[Anonymous No.12757512]

>>12757439
>We are more herbivorous than carnivorous
its objectively the opposite.
You are pushing propaganda
Human's gut track largest part is the part specifically for meat, in comparison the smallest part is for plant material. this is different than other primates. Some other primates spend 80% of the day eating. Gorillas spend 50% of the day [https://www.berggorilla.org/en/gorillas/general/everyday-life/what-do-gorillas-do-all-day/], with is why they have large colons to digest nutritionally low density food.
Vegetarians cant even live without supplements, and even then they get brain damage after 5 years.
Your statement is pure wishful thinking. Meat is what made our brains get bigger than other primates, its incredibly calorie dense, especially when you eat organ meats.
lasty, yes I know people claim otherwise, "a pound of broccoli > pound of meat. " but that is incredibly misleading because a pound of broccli would fill plate and half and your entire stomach. You would have to eat 24 cups of broccoli to match a steak kcal, which is why other primates that eat plants spend all day eating

[Anonymous No.12757514]

>>12757401
>faggot
Why the homophobia?

[Anonymous No.12757518]

>>12757514
Fag

[Anonymous No.12757526]

>>12757512
>Human's gut track largest part is the part specifically for meat, in comparison the smallest part is for plant material.
Not sure I agree with this. The small intestine means we rely on easily digestible food, whether it's meat, starch, fruit, or fat. It's true though that the short colon means we're not meant to be significant fermenters of fibrous food.

[Anonymous No.12757528]

Elites will not. You will (along with owning nothing and being happy).

[Anonymous No.12757546]

Why do vegans almost always rely on emotional arguments when trying to convince people not to eat meat? There essentially asking us to ignore our physiology like our front teeth which where clearly made to tear flesh

[Anonymous No.12757552]

>>12757526
starch and fruit are incredulously rare in a natural/prefarm setting vs meat if you are a decent hunter.
They are also limited very seasonally to very tight times of the year.
unless you are saying our digestion parts have changed since we developed farming, I know of no evidence for that, my understanding is not enough time has passed for that change via evolution

[Anonymous No.12757557]

>plants don’t have the things bones are made of
kek

[Anonymous No.12757563]

>>12757512
Herbivores are not just grass eaters. Frugivores focus on fruits more. I also have no clue where you got your pic from?
It covers gut volume which I am assuming means how much volume it covers.
It is then very misleading because orangutans have a much larger small intenstine yet they don't eat meat like we do. Our colon is also as big as that of chimps. Volume has nothing to do with determining our diets.

If anything, it seems to support my point that we adapted to eat meat, but it is not really necessary for our survival. The fact we get so sick from eating too much meat is also evidence.

>https://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-6c.shtml

[Anonymous No.12757573]

>>12757546
>like our front teeth which where clearly made to tear flesh
By that logic, gorillas should be carnivores.

[Anonymous No.12757577]

>>12757552
Well I've seen the same argument you used for meat, also used for starch. When we learned to cook starch, brain size increased. Is it true? I don't know. The only thing I think we can say conclusively is that humans are intended to absorb nutrients high up in the digestive tract, not in the colon, which means starch, simple sugars, meat, and fat. Obviously vegetables and low-calorie fruit can be supplemented, but we never could have relied on them for calories because our colons are too short for significant fermentation and conversion of the fiber to energy.

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2015/08/10/starchy-carbs--not-a-paleo-diet--advanced-the-human-race.html

[Anonymous No.12757604]

>>12756227
either way im fucked i dont want to be a fish or a fruit

[Anonymous No.12757605]

>>12757563
Chimpanzee body length: 75 cm
Orangutan body length: 64 cm
Human body length: 180 cm

What? So they're assuming the average human is close to six feet tall, and the average orangutan and chimpanzee is close to two feet tall, or am I reading that wrong?

[Anonymous No.12757629]

>>12757605
Length, not height.

[Anonymous No.12757658]

>>12757563
>The fact we get so sick from eating too much meat is also evidence.
I;m done with you, you arent arguing from
science
>>12757605
just use this image, it uses /relative/ gut volume so its not misleading you with diffesnt sized animals

[Anonymous No.12757700]

>>12757658
I am done with you.
How is body length somehow relevant anyways? We are talking about gut length.
>Dismiss this study. It confused me by talking about body length which is extra information that is irrelevant. Hurts my head. Must be wrong.

As that pic shows, dumbass, orangutan have a longer small intestine and an even longer colon. Yet guess what? Your retarded relative volume graph will not capture that because it is all relative.
Your reasoning that somehow a smaller intestine being longer implies we are built to eat meat does not match up with other primates who have longer small intestines and a longer colon. They should be extra adapted to eat meat and grass by your logic.

You're throwing data with anomalies that make humans stand out and then imply that is evidence we are built for meat consumption without explanations on how your data is relevant beyond "look! Graph says humans different! Therefore, I am right!"

[Anonymous No.12757702]

>>12756227
You would ironically have to kill off all the cattle to make room to grow all the food to feed people.

[Anonymous No.12757705]

[Anonymous No.12757720]

>>12757702
what about the food that goes into growing all the cattle?

[Anonymous No.12757753]

>>12757702
dishonest
>>12757720
a lot of cow feed land isnt really suitable to grow human crops
but either way we could grow enough food or raise enough cattle if we want to with tech

[Anonymous No.12757780]

>>12756227
Yes, plus
>>12756249
this.
And you're right that meat should be a luxury item. The ultra low-quality meat most of us eat is hardly any better than dogshit.

>>12757512
>Vegetarians cant even live without supplements, and even then they get brain damage after 5 years.
That's complete bullshit.
Same argument could go for meat-eaters, since the B12 in meat comes from supplements as well and on average, they don't even get enough of it from meat.

[Anonymous No.12757786]

>>12757658
Are you saying we don't get sick from eating too much meat?
Try to go carnivore for a month and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.12757804]

>>12757786
yes? people with subset of epilepsy go years eating all meat. ofcourse you need to eat organs and stuff.
let that sink in, you can be healthy on a all meat diet, you cant be n a all plant diet.
I dont suggest it though, extremely limited diets are are all dumb, all meat or all plants.
also its sugar that causes heart deiese and cancer not meat, thats an old myth with bad data

[Anonymous No.12757825]

>>12756227
Does anyone else find it ironic that the notion of veganism can only exist in a society that has built up the things vegans aim to dismantle? People in the hunter-gatherer days didn't even had to luxury to consider not eating meat whenever it was available, let alone all the other shit vegans spout about "exploiting the efforts of animals". Only once mass agriculture allowed for technological and societal revolutions could these urbanites in their comfy cityscapes afford to expend valuable brainpower and time into thinking, "oh no the poor, exploited honeybees!"

[Anonymous No.12757832]

>>12757825
>Does anyone else find it ironic that the notion of veganism can only exist in a society that has built up the things vegans aim to dismantle
yes

[Anonymous No.12757835]

>>12756227
Yu vill eat ze bugz and yu wil lik izzzzz

[Anonymous No.12757845]

>>12757825
yes it's called evolution

[Anonymous No.12757876]

>>12757804
>you can be healthy on a all meat diet
It'll clog your arteries among other things.
>you cant be n a all plant diet.
Completely wrong. There are so many vegetarians out there who don't even supplement and are completely fine. Stop talking out of your ass. It smells bad.
>I dont suggest it though, extremely limited diets are are all dumb
At least some sanity in your post.

[Anonymous No.12757887]

>>12756227
Shut the fuck up you little faggot nigger. Plants are alive as well you retarded hypocrite

[Anonymous No.12757901]

>>12757887
How is that any refutation of anything or relavant to this thread?
Tell me, is the "vegan" spitting you with
>meat is murder!
in the room with you now?

[Anonymous No.12757905]

100% of vegans got vaccinated, so the problem will solve itself soon enough.

[Anonymous No.12757911]

>>12756889
>more complex living things are somehow entitled to not be eaten
but the line somehow ends up drawn between the plant and animal kingdoms instead of across them both separating primitive algae and worms on the edible side from advanced oaks and cows.

[Anonymous No.12757914]

>>12756249
>we should respectfully kill something even though for anyone in the first world theres no requirement to

[Anonymous No.12757920]

>>12756227
No, we will eat human flesh or bugs

[Anonymous No.12757930]

>>12756227
yeah. im not a vegan but i understand the moral ideas behind it. i believe on day in the not so far future, all food will be grown and lab made, without killing animals. the food will be delicious and contain all essential resources for our body. im sure people of that futuristic generations will look at our generations and think so themselves "what savages, executing living creatures by the millions just to eat..." they wont understand, or maybe they will, why we did and still do it. but whats for sure, life will be valued even more in the future, although it looks like its going to be the opposite.

[Anonymous No.12757940]

vill you, Anon ?
vill you eat ze bug ?

you VILL eat ze bug

[Anonymous No.12758131]

>>12757940
https://youtu.be/dlpEUlStjbU

[Anonymous No.12758338]

>>12757901
>>meat is murder!
That is what the image is saying, retard.

[Anonymous No.12758341]

>>12757930
>life will be valued even more in the future
Funny, this never happened in all human's history, but somehow you are assuming it will in the future.

[Anonymous No.12758347]

>>12756227
Possible? Sure, but unlikely. Lab-grown meat will eventually replace conventional meat anyways so it'll become a non-issue anyways.

[Anonymous No.12758351]

>>12758338
No, it isn't. Get some basic reading comprehension before calling others "retards".

[Anonymous No.12758362]

>>12756227
Lab grown food will meet economies of scale efficiency and make mass provision of nutrient perfect food with wide appeal and taste variety so abundant and available that it would be either indistinguishable in terms of taste and texture or pointless to produce for the average human outside of niche interest groups or religious types.

>Just fucked that paragraph to death.

[Anonymous No.12758382]

>>12757876
>It'll clog your arteries among other things.
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.12758420]

>>12756227
>>12756334
The act of eating hurts a human being no matter what. If you eat bugs you will be killing that bug. If you eat a plant you will be killing that plant. Even with artificial meat you'll be killing trillions of microbes. So stop eating or you're a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.12758430]

>>12756334
Pork and beef animal aren't cute

[Anonymous No.12758442]

>>12758420
How granular do you want your sensitivity to be?

[Anonymous No.12758453]

>>12758420
>noooo you can't solve issue A because you're a hypocrite by not also solving issue B

>>12758430
The wild ones are.

[Anonymous No.12758456]

>>12756227

[Anonymous No.12758457]

>>12758382
doi:10.1186/1741-7015-11-63 PMID 23497300
Also, the WHO considers red meat a carcinogen.

[Anonymous No.12758470]

>>12756227
Pajeets, fuck off. You just don't allowed to eat meet because of scarcity of food. Don't justify poverty.

[Anonymous No.12758478]

>>12758457
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-cancer.amp.html

[Anonymous No.12758553]

>>12758478
>NYT
Anon...
>The evidence is too weak
Doesn't mean it's wrong. The evidence is there.

[Anonymous No.12758562]

>>12758478
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat
>Red meat was classified as Group 2A, probably carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean exactly?
>In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.
>Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out.
And
>Processed meat was classified as Group 1, carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean?
>This category is used when there is sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in humans. In other words, there is convincing evidence that the agent causes cancer. The evaluation is usually based on epidemiological studies showing the development of cancer in exposed humans.
>In the case of processed meat, this classification is based on sufficient evidence from epidemiological studies that eating processed meat causes colorectal cancer.

[Anonymous No.12758580]

>>12757705
i didnt know humans hunt with their mouth

[Anonymous No.12758593]

>>12756227

[Anonymous No.12758617]

>>12758562
ok vegan shill
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-beef-with-red-meat
https://amp.theguardian.com/food/2019/sep/30/research-red-meat-poses-no-health-risk
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/here-s-the-real-truth-about-that-confusing-red-meat-study/amp

[Anonymous No.12758648]

>>12758617
>ok vegan shill
>everyone arguing against me is a vegan shill!!
ok retarded monkey
>1st link
See >>12758553, they only claim evidence is low, not wrong or non-existent.
>2nd link
Literally saying "we can't say with certainty that it is bad, therefore you shouldn't cut it down". That's utterly retarded and even worse than the first link.
>3rd link
Literally the same as first. "evidence isn't strong enough" doesn't mean it's non-existent.

Anon, you're supposed to read your links before posting them. Also, link a study, not newspapers. They aren't sources.

[Anonymous No.12758669]

>>12758648
Eat the bugs.

[Anonymous No.12758690]

>>12758669
/sci/ should require an IQ test before letting anyone post here. Yes, I mean people like you.

[Anonymous No.12758695]

>/sci/ should require an IQ test before letting anyone post here. Yes, I mean people like you.

[Anonymous No.12758727]

>>12756227
no i like to torture and kill animals for pleasure

[Anonymous No.12758744]

>>12758727
Spoken as true 4chan-tard. And they say that we are getting soft and pro-sciency, lol.

[Anonymous No.12758782]

>>12758695
Anon tell me, is the vegan in the room with you now? Does he scare you?

[Anonymous No.12758792]

We should probably at least become vegetarian for our health and the environment

[Anonymous No.12758794]

>>12758782
you type like a female

[Anonymous No.12758797]

>>12758794
i am

[Anonymous No.12758803]

If humans weren't supposed to eat meat, then meat wouldn't taste so good. Human taste evolved to tell us what we should eat, dumbasses.

[Anonymous No.12758810]

>>12758803
Soda taste better than water. Me only drink soda. Me smart

[Anonymous No.12758846]

>>12756227
sea food, eggs, milk and meat are needed for gains, plants cannot consent to be eaten

[Anonymous No.12758849]

>>12758810
Water tastes better than soda, blobulord. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.12758917]

>>12758797
Tits of GTFO

[Anonymous No.12758929]

>>12758849
cow urine tastes better than water, wtf is wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.12759043]

>>12758794
So you're scared of vegans and females? Damn. That's incel life for ya.

[Anonymous No.12759272]

>>12756227
wait a second, does this mean if I eat a tiger I'll become like a tiger?

[Anonymous No.12759282]

>>12756227
Pepsin

[Anonymous No.12759285]

>>12759043
yeah, I'm trembling, roastie
Look at these fearsome warriors

[Anonymous No.12759330]

>>12756227
>IS YOUR STOMACH A GRAVEYARD?
Yes HAHahahaha

[Anonymous No.12759502]

>>12756227
Listen buddy, I am all for debating things like this with logic and reasoning. However, your pic makes cringe, get angry and want to dine on yet another steak. It's obvious so many vegans are putting on a veneer of 'cold logic' to mask their true, emotional issues against eating meat (no kill helpless animals, wahh). Before you start pumping out a myriad of charts from WHO, I will remind you that scientists can often be wrong... Just take a damn look at all the ex-vegan videos. Unlike 'near-death experiences', you can literally see the results yourself firsthand. Until the science proves itself through results I can actually verify and see, I am not going to risk my health with this shady ass diet.

[Anonymous No.12759545]

>>12756227
Vegan housecat
It was not the cat's choice.

[Anonymous No.12759549]

>>12756448
Plants literally create nontoxic fruit to entice animals to spread their seeds.

[Anonymous No.12759553]

>>12757346
I think it would go like briefcase full of guts.

[Anonymous No.12759559]

>>12757573
Gorillas literally eat smaller monkeys.

[Anonymous No.12759562]

>>12759285
Never met a vegan girl who was hot.

[Anonymous No.12759586]

>>12759562
never met a girl

[Anonymous No.12759604]

>>12759559
I thought only chimps and occasionally orangutans did that.

[Anonymous No.12759635]

>>12758430
>Pork and beef animal aren't cute
they're called cows and pigs

[Anonymous No.12759704]

>>12758456
does he think cows and chickens have the same marco or calorie content?

[Anonymous No.12759719]

>>12759285
I'm still a meat-eating male. Sorry you can't comprehend any argument from reasoning instead of dogma.

[Anonymous No.12760811]

>>12756227

Not only possible, the whole world will be forced to go vegan. It's the only path in our reality.

[Anonymous No.12760892]

>>12756227
>you are what you eat
So being vegan will turn me into a fruit or a vegetable? This image makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.12760928]

People need to be informed about this

>For those that don't want to read the studies, 4 minutes explaining why veganism is a death diet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGbRvhfkVNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_h5L-kEWu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFpjsNJJeiY

>Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5028238/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15514417
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/431794
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9499332
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8071280
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2550009/pdf/bmj00598-0020.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2351965/pdf/bmj00559-0017.pdf
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5214201/Vegan-chef-shot-dead-two-ex-wife-Christmas.html
https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/blog/2010/01/28/when-brain-is-hungry-for-cholestero/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIPUxJ3BC5s
http://healthybabycode.com/why-you-cant-get-vitamin-a-from-eating-vegetables
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/71/6/1545/4729534
https://www.fasebj.org/doi/full/10.1096/fj.08-121962
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/beta-carotene-vitamin-a-myth/
http://empoweredsustenance.com/true-vitamin-a-foods/
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary/
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-saga/
https://philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth/

>About cholesterol and saturated fat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uGravo_p_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TamyKMlce_o
https://www.patreon.com/posts/does-ldl-cause-23236669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6tjdmBrh28
https://www.patreon.com/posts/cholesterol-fat-20447705

>Do not trust a vegan, they won't hesitate to lie to you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e0qZAuPF2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpzE8S3_7-M

[Anonymous No.12760936]

More reasons:

>Here are some basics on vegetarians:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

>Here are their problems as to why they usually quit:
>Vegans are deficit in b12:
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

>High fiber diets reduce serum half life of vitamin D3:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6299329

>Vegans have weaker bones due to lower calcium intake and vitamin D3 levels:
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486478
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21092700

>Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

>Vegans have less gains compared to non vegans:
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full

>Vegans are deficient in omega threes:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323090
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323085

>Vegans are deficit in carnitine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21753065
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2756917
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628441/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11043928

>Vegans are deficient in taurine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

>Vegans are deficient in iodine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

>Vegans are deficient in Coenzyme Q10:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873950

>Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

[Anonymous No.12760941]

>Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647
http://m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full
http://healthybabycode.com/why-you-cant-get-vitamin-a-from-eating-vegetables (studies linked in the article)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/betacarotene.htm
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1545.full
http://www.fasebj.org/content/23/4/1041.full
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/beta-carotene-vitamin-a-myth
http://empoweredsustenance.com/true-vitamin-a-foods
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-saga
https://philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth

>Calcium in Rats
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3183773

>Magnesium and Oxalates
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15035687

>Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

>Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

>Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

>Children who are raised on strict vegan diets do not grow normally:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4067152
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8005079

>Children develop rickets after prolonged periods of strict vegetarian diets:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874810/pdf/canmedaj01383-0052.pdf

[Anonymous No.12760946]

>"There are some links between vegetarians and lower birthweight and earlier labour"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788369

>Effects of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency on brain development in children:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/

>"Particular attention should be paid to adequate protein intake and sources of essential fatty acids, iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. Supplementation may be required in cases of strict vegetarian diets with no intake of any animal products."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/

>These next five are case studies:
>Cerebral atrophy in a vitamin B12-deficient infant of a vegetarian mother:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

>Severe megaloblastic anemia in child breast fed by a vegetarian mother:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8442642

>Consequences of exclusive breast-feeding in vegan mother newborn - case report:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244

>Nutritional vitamin B12 deficiency in a breast-fed infant of a vegan-diet mother:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

>"We report the case of a 7 month-old girl that presented with acute anemia, generalized muscular hypotonia and failure to thrive. Laboratory evaluation revealed cobalamin deficiency, due to a vegan diet of the mother."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18293883

>Most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816782
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10966896
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10552882

>On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products), but is much lower in vegans, who are often deficient.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21139125
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/3/543s.full

[Anonymous No.12760950]

>Vegetarians and omnivores have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin the long-term storage form of iron are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871479

>Fruits and Vegetables
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12064344

>This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency. Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient. For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40% of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14988640
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

>Many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35% compared with omniovorous diet.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

>Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

>The Naive Vegetarian
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html#.WTTqMNwlEqT

>S_o_y decreases your testosterone
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/10798211/

>Why you need dietary cholesterol:
>Very great total picture kind of lecture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1XsO3mxX8

>Eating meat increases testosterone
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11103227

>Saturated Fat Finally Vindicated in Long Buried Study
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/04/25/saturated-fat-finally-vindicated.aspx

[Anonymous No.12760955]

>Medium Chain Triglyceride Oil Consumption as Part of a Weight Loss Diet Does Not Lead to an Adverse Metabolic Profile When Compared to Olive Oil
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874191/

>Why you need cholesterol for testosterone
http://www.livestrong.com/article/435773-cholesterol-testosterone/

>Saturated Fat
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.short
http://journals.co-action.net/index.php/fnr/article/view/31694

>Humans evolved a specific hunting mechanism recently
https://www.nature.com/news/baseball-players-reveal-how-humans-evolved-to-throw-so-well-1.13281
https://phys.org/news/2013-06-chimps-humans-baseball-pitcher.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y__4xX8xp8

>Very wide and diverse amounts of similar research and current scientific consensus (look at the links at the bottom)
https://examine.com/nutrition/will-eating-eggs-increase-my-cholesterol

>Exercise lowers cholesterol
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2297284
http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/exercise-to-lower-cholesterol

>Europeans can probably digest fat better than other races
https://www.nap.edu/read/11537/chapter/13 (also a generic good read on dietary cholesterol and dieting)
https://archive.is/HD6UZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRELldIuZyM
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/did-europeans-get-fat-neandertals

[Anonymous No.12760958]

>>12756334
What if you don't carr about them though ?

[Anonymous No.12760961]

>They eat animal based products from time to time, they're cunning bastards and will lie to push their agenda
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq-kTShC57E

>Veganism is a starvation cult, nothing more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rieOahGXUU
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/87559129.2011.595025
https://tonic.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/gqynxw/the-fatal-flaw-of-the-vegan-diet
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-991/flaxseed
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25369925/

>Omnivores still have the highest dha and epa levels, so I don't see your point
https://chriskresser.com/why-vegetarians-and-vegans-should-supplement-with-dha/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561414000764

If people (mostly omnivores and some carnivores) weren't so brainwashed to fear raw eggs they would have much, much higher omega 3 levels (you can get 522 mg of DHA from 18 common caged white eggs, Im not even talking about omega 3 rich and organic cage free eggs)

[Anonymous No.12760977]

>>12760928
>>12760936
>>12760941
>>12760946
>>12760950
>>12760955
>>12760961
See
>>12758457
>>12758562

[Anonymous No.12761016]

>>12757786
You would get sick too if you drank to much water. What's your point ?

[Anonymous No.12761037]

>>12758453
That's literally the same problem, he's saying you are not solving anything.

[Anonymous No.12761129]

>>12760928
>>12760936
>>12760941
>>12760946
>>12760950
>>12760955
>>12760961
No one is gonna read all this. Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.12762207]

>>12760928
>>For those that don't want to read the studies, 4 minutes explaining why veganism is a death diet:
Fucking sv3rige, bad bait.

Out of all the posts you shit up this thread with, only
>>Vegans are deficient in iodine:
is correct. All your studies look at vegans who don't supplement, that's why they're completely useless. All vegans take B12, so that's a non-issue. It's actually meat-eaters who are usually deficient in B12, since meat hardly contains it anymore.

Also comparing someone who only eats oats and drinks apple juice (technically vegan, but so is eating rocks) to people with a diverse diet is completely dishonest.

[Anonymous No.12762226]

>>12761037
Are you retarded? Did you forget to take your B12 today?
>noooo, you shouldn't contribute to ending the suffering of some animals if you don't end all suffering at once that's hypocritical nooooo

>>12761016
>You would get sick too if you drank to much water.
Yes, congratulations, you got the point. Now why are you getting sick from overdosing on something? Can you solve this riddle too?
>What's your point ?
Take your B12.

[Anonymous No.12762470]

>>12758457
>Also, the WHO considers red meat a carcinogen.
>believing the WHO
lmao

[Anonymous No.12762481]

>>12756227
I want to eat pony brains and blood puddings. don't take nice things from me

[Anonymous No.12762490]

>>12762207
>All your studies look at vegans who don't supplement, that's why they're completely useless.
>implying the vegans would look better in the study if they supplemented
>implying you need supplements for veganism to work
if you need to take a thousand pills to make your non-animal product diet work, maybe it's not a good diet

[Anonymous No.12762492]

>Humans should eat X because their teeth were designed for it

people also put dicks in their butt and it wasn't designed for that what is the point?

what if and im spitballing here, meat could be more healthy for us even though our teeth and ancestors couldn't eat it. like your teeth shapes don't actually tell you about NUTRIENT DENSITY or anything else.

[Anonymous No.12762506]

>>12762490
>if you need to take a thousand pills
It's one pill, actually droplets. Iodine is in many salt products. The funny thing is that most meat-eaters are deficient in B12. Do you take B12 to counteract the inadequacy of your diet?

[Anonymous No.12762509]

>>12762492
>people also put dicks in their butt and it wasn't designed for that what is the point?
lmao this guy has gay buttsex to prove a point about diet

[Anonymous No.12762656]

>>12757914
It is a requirement to eat meat retard. There are nutrients in meat that can't be easily found in fruits or vegetables. But I know you're gonna say "oh I'll just rely on big pharma to feed me shitty supplements to stave off my malnutrition!" like the bugman you are.

[Anonymous No.12762657]

>>12756227
Vegans pretend to be ethical but how can they be ethical if they believe that the life of an animal is worth more than the life of a plant? Who are they to decide that? If you are truly ethical then you eat both animals and plants in a balance according to how nature intended it for you to do.

[Anonymous No.12762732]

>>12756227
Possible but unlikely. As much as vegans stamp their little feet and have temper-tantrums, we are omnivores, and meat, milk, eggs, etc is essential as part of a healthy and balanced diet, no matter how many chemical concoctions people make for alternative vitamins and minerals.

It is more likely people will accept lab-grown meat. With that, there is pretty much no reason for vegans.

[Anonymous No.12762741]

>>12762509
She/He/It's vegan, what do you expect?

[Anonymous No.12762761]

>>12762741
>She/He/It's vegan
lol, that's your only defense? Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.12762769]

>>12762492
Our teeth weren't designed for plants though, they were designed for cooked meat. As were our digestive tracts and our brains.

[Anonymous No.12762774]

>>12762769
I think they were designed for meat, not cooked meat. Cooked meat is just a bonus by making it softer and more digestible or something.

[Anonymous No.12762782]

>>12756227
>you are what you eat
speak for yourself OP, I'm not a vegetable

[Anonymous No.12762866]

>>12759549
LOL what about vegetables?

[Anonymous No.12762886]

>>12757371
Meat eater here, that's a bad argument desu, the human wasn't killed by the deer with the purpose of eating
But the meat we eat is being given birth exactly for being eaten so it doesn't matter to me

[Anonymous No.12763116]

>>12757371
He's still cute and fluffy.

[Anonymous No.12763190]

>>12757705
Hahahaha I was stoned at Toronto pride parade eating a penis waffle with extra cream and a tranny (I assume) gave me this flyer.

[Anonymous No.12763217]

>>12756227
tastes too good
im a psycho and i dont give a fuck blow me lib

[Anonymous No.12763254]

>>12757361
>microbe lifeforms
so beings without conciousness?

[Anonymous No.12763268]

>>12763190
i hope they nuke your country into oblivion

[Anonymous No.12763300]

>>12757514
Commie faggot your gay social rules don’t stand here

Be stronger

[Anonymous No.12763331]

>>12756227
The fact that the creature was sentient is the primary reason I eat meat. It is part of my self-actualization as a human.

[Anonymous No.12763370]

>>12763331
once you step into the shadows you're stained in black for life

[Anonymous No.12763392]

>>12757705
Our eye placement is a better indicator of us being carnivores than the fact that we have canines. Predators have their eyes closer together like us to maximize the amount of their vision that both eyes can see since depth perception is important in hunting, while prey animals keep their eyes further apart to maximize their total line of sight so they can see predators.

[Anonymous No.12763436]

>>12763392

[Anonymous No.12763439]

>>12763392
eyes aren't a factor for digestion.
gorillas, elephants, hippos and other herbivores have larger canines, are they carnivores? dafuq are you talking about? first learn nutrition and differences between carnivores, omnivores and herbivores. retard.
you don't have any physical traits for being a carnivores nor an omnivore.

[Anonymous No.12763682]

>>12756275
>cute and fluffy
>the biggest part of right is literally a fish

[Anonymous No.12763688]

>>12756942
Read again, Dunning-Kruger.

[Anonymous No.12763694]

>>12756227
If you only ate the food on the left, you would die

If you only ate the food on the right, you would survive.

[Anonymous No.12763702]

>>12763392
I guess that means tiny capuchin monkeys are also carnivores.

Retard.
Our eye placement is due to us being evolutionarily fructivores.

[Anonymous No.12763711]

>>12763694
First of all, wrong, moron. You'd get at the very least scurvy. Secondly, yes, the left is suboptimal, which is why the best diet is vegetarian rather than vegan.

[Anonymous No.12763859]

>>12763702
>I guess that means tiny capuchin monkeys are also carnivores.
Not sure if being sarcastic. They're obviously not carnivores, but small critters are a staple of their diets, more so than many other primates.

[Anonymous No.12763865]

>>12762656
>There are nutrients in meat that can't be easily found in fruits or vegetables.
so they can be found in fruits and vegetables?
> But I know you're gonna say "oh I'll just rely on big pharma to feed me shitty supplements to stave off my malnutrition!"
do you think vegans buy supps from pharmaceutical companies?

[Anonymous No.12763873]

>>12763865
>so they can be found in fruits and vegetables?
Not that anon, but B12, taurine, retinol, creatine, carnosine, and DHA to name a few. Optimal diet should probably include some animal products, though not necessarily meat.

[Anonymous No.12763992]

>>12756334
What about cellular death of plants. That can't be humane or comfortable either.
Or do you only believe that cells that can move, i.e. animals, can feel pain while other forms of life cannot?

[Anonymous No.12764002]

>>12756227
Domesticated cows and pigs and chickens do not and cannot live as they exist in the wild. They have evolved symbiotically with us as sources of food. They can go feral and breed with wild boar and the like, but their composition is based on their domesticated state.

Wild game like deer have lived alongside human hunters for centuries. Their breeding habits and evolutionary development is based in the fact that a sizeable portion of their population will be hunted by humans every season.

If you actually care about "the environment" (1) you would care for humans, whose natural diet is meat and (2) you would be terribly worried about the unintended consequences of severing one of the most important links in the food chain.

[Anonymous No.12764075]

>>12764002
>Domesticated cows and pigs and chickens do not and cannot live as they exist in the wild. They have evolved symbiotically with us as sources of food. They can go feral and breed with wild boar and the like, but their composition is based on their domesticated state.

And? Vegans don't want to return cows to the wild, they just don't want them to exist anymore so they don't have to suffer. How can you misunderstand one's side so thoroughly, without being a brainlet?

[Anonymous No.12764306]

>>12764075
>Not exist anymore.
So you are talking about the genocide of a population? Or do you mean something else like returning them to the wild?
And you talk about suffering, but how do you know that cows suffer? The cows in my field sure are content with life. Able to graze as they please. It sounds like you are anthropomorphizing a species that is not human.

[Anonymous No.12764340]

>>12758430
Cows and pigs are very cute anon

[Anonymous No.12764389]

>>12764340
They are not

[Anonymous No.12764473]

>>12764340
Pic unrelated of course

[Anonymous No.12764477]

>>12764389
>>12764473

[Anonymous No.12765217]

>>12762506
>The funny thing is that most meat-eaters are deficient in B12.

lol nope

>Do you take B12 to counteract the inadequacy of your diet?

never did, no one i know either

[Anonymous No.12765231]

>>12756227
Veganism is motivated by ethics, but it's not ethical to kill plants either. They're living beings too. Most vegans seem to be treehuggers anyway so they should be able to see the contradiction of protesting deforestation but cutting down plants to eat them.

[Anonymous No.12765527]

>>12757577
>brain size increased since cooking starches

If anything, it's the total opposite. Our brain size has DECREASED with the advent of agriculture and starchier diets.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.22476

[Anonymous No.12765554]

>>12756227
I eat both, faggot.
>>12756260
And I always will

[Anonymous No.12765562]

>>12762886
No, it's a good argument because Deer also eat birds like fucking popcorn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q91dUtDYkU

[Anonymous No.12765566]

>>12764075
>we have to exterminate them so they don't suffer

This is retarded vegan logic. Fight CAFO, that makes sense, animals do suffer under these operations and so do the humans that eat these sickly animals. But grass-finished cattle get to live longer than any wild game average (over two years) and do so in pasture while being a carbon sink. You can't even farm pasture (which is legally agricultural land) whose only yield of food production can only and always will be grazing cattle.

[Anonymous No.12765577]

>>12756227
Scientifically speaking? Yes
Realistically, no. There's no reason to.

[Anonymous No.12765587]

>>12757439
There would have to be a real reason to stop eating meat. Subjective personal ethics isn't really a reason.

[Anonymous No.12765627]

>>12757804
If youre talking about keto diets helping epileptic kids, i hope you realize a keto diet can be plant based as well, it would just be insanely expensive and hard to maintain.

[Anonymous No.12765648]

>>12760955
>>12760950
>>12760946
>>12760941
>>12760936
Now post all the research on meats being bad for you.
Nobody ever claimed there is a perfect diet, but the western diet is absolute shit and leads to obesity and heart disease. High fat meat heavy diets lead to health issues that kill the majority of Americans.
All of the shit you posted is known amongst vegans, and can be avoided through a planned diet and enriched foods. People really act like a diet of fast food and tv dinners doesnt lead to deficiencies as well.
Im just glad that retarded "i need muh meat" fags are going to an early grave.

[Anonymous No.12765657]

>>12765648
>Im just glad that retarded "i need muh meat" fags are going to an early grave.
good. I'd rather die early than living in the shithole future you fags envision. What are you doing to end overpopulation?

[Anonymous No.12765686]

>>12765648
>but the western diet is absolute shit and leads to obesity and heart disease.
Agreed.

>High fat meat heavy diets lead to health issues
I'm dubious. I favor higher carb diets, but I don't think it's meat and fat alone that are the issue for Americans, it's mixing those things with plenty of carbs as well. Essentially, it's just too much food.

[Anonymous No.12765715]

Only if we kill all animals and insects to protect the crops

[Anonymous No.12765716]

>>12765686
Kind of. Really if more people hunted their meat so that they consumed leaner meat, they would be much better. The trick is to consume lean meat

[Anonymous No.12766224]

>>12763711
No, what I am saying is correct. The food on the left contains close to zero fat or protein, both of which are necessary.

The food on the right alone might not be ideal but it is enough to survive.

[Anonymous No.12766328]

>>12765648
>High fat meat heavy diets lead to health issues that kill the majority of Americans.

No evidence for this actually.

Fat doesn't make you fat, overeating does and it's a lot easier to over eat grains/sugars.

>To assess the evidence for this recommendation, meta-analyses on the effect of SFA consumption on heart disease outcomes were reviewed. Nineteen meta-analyses addressing this topic were identified: 9 observational studies and 10 randomized controlled trials. Meta-analyses of observational studies found no association between SFA intake and heart disease, while meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials were inconsistent but tended to show a lack of an association. The inconsistency seems to have been mediated by the differing clinical trials included.

https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article-abstract/78/6/474/5678770

[Anonymous No.12766407]

>>12765217
>lol nope
lol yes

>never did, no one i know either
Well that's why you're deficient.

[Anonymous No.12766414]

>>12765231
>nooooo you can't be against thing A if you're not also against thing B it means you're a hypocrite noooooo

[Anonymous No.12766415]

>>12756227
>you are what you eat
I am literally made of meat and bones, not vegetables

[Anonymous No.12766673]

>>12756227
it doesnt matter what you eat if you cannot digest is properly

[Anonymous No.12767442]

Fucking hate all of the schizo vegans itt.
>>12756227
Yes. At some undefined point in the future our farming and genetic engineering capabilities will reach a point that fake meat will be objectively superior in terms of health and efficiency. And those are the only two metrics that matter. Though there's a plenty high chance that it will be real meat but grown directly from stem cells or something else in a similar vein. So the real answer is a resounding maybe.

[Anonymous No.12769511]

>>12756227
no, animals are delicious

[Anonymous No.12769572]

>>12757371
Bambi finally got revenge. Good for him.

[Anonymous No.12769679]

>>12756227
Animals eat other animals. Are they graveyards?

[Anonymous No.12770557]

Why do other animals get to eat animals whenever they want but we're not supposed to?

[Anonymous No.12770597]

>>12756227
You should be eating both circles of food there in order to reach peak health. No vegan, no carnivore. Omnivore. We have molars AND canines. Your body won't be healthy without a mix of meat and vegetables.

[Anonymous No.12770634]

There are currently two vegan threads up right now.
One of them is anti-vegan, is an extensive info dump and refutation to common arguments or statements used by vegan proponents.
The other one is pro-vegan, and has "rainbow food good" as its unironic OP.

[Anonymous No.12770770]

>>12756227
>Is it possible for all of us to become vegans at some point in the future
It is, but why would we do it?

[Anonymous No.12770793]

>>12770597
I'd agree but your pic is retarded.

[Anonymous No.12770995]

>>12756473
>massive change
I thought so as well, until I quit all animal products overnight. I cook all my meals since I was 13, and I thought it would be difficult to switch. But in fact, it was super easy because I have lots of cooking experience. The problem is not adapting, the problem is most people stopped cooking for themselves and their family. Too many people rely on restaurants and packaged meals, and it will be difficult for them to switch until vegan alternatives become commonplace and cheap. Also, the reason plant based alternatives are more expensive is because of the demand and because they don't get massive tax subsidies animal products do.

[Anonymous No.12771039]

>>12762207
It's not even iodine if you eat iodized salt, you know, like everyone not cooking with "fancy salts". Or if you eat algae.

[Anonymous No.12771057]

>>12762490
If you think eating meat and animal products means you don't have to supplement, you're wrong. But even if you weren't, guess how the animals get their vitamins? They get it supplemented into their feed. So why feed cows B12 pills so you get it from meat, when it's much more effective to take the pill directly? Also, for vitamin B12, you don't need meat nor supplements. Your body produces B12 in your colon, just eat your shit like rabbits and others to get it to be "natural". I'll rather take the pill, thanks. Humans evolved to survive until we can impregnate and bear children, no need to be healthy and have a balanced diet for that. We aren't meant to live to 100, that's the result of us manipulating nature to our advantage. Why is it wrong to supplement easily but not wrong to wear glasses to survive?

[Anonymous No.12771058]

>>12756227
>pls no eat meat, look how raw and icky it is uncooked :(
Veganchads... I kneel...

[Anonymous No.12771061]

>>12762657
Even is plants did feel, you need to kill vastly more plants to produce meat than you would if you ate the plants directly.

[Anonymous No.12771064]

>>12763217
>lib
Making diets political, guess how I know you're American?

[Anonymous No.12771190]

>>12756334
Cute flufflu animals are hurt in plant agriculture and suffer much more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovGHKr-NoqQ

[Anonymous No.12771217]

>become carnivore millions of years ago
>brain size increases exponentially
>abruptly stops 7-15 thousand years ago with the invention of agriculture
>average height and brain size drops
>never seen before polygamy and degeneracy explodes
>hUmAnS aRe vEgAnZ!

[Anonymous No.12771221]

>>12771217
Vegans literally have a higher average IQ than non-vegans though.

[Anonymous No.12771225]

>>12756249
Literally just 1 more human makes any meat consumption that is uniform across the population totally impossible

[Anonymous No.12771229]

>>12771221
lollol bait

[Anonymous No.12771233]

>>12771217
pic related, humans were monogenous before agriculture

[Anonymous No.12771236]

>>12771233
monogamous*

[Anonymous No.12771946]

>>12770557
Because we are already overpopulating

[Anonymous No.12771956]

>>12756227
>is your stomach a graveyard
Yes, meat is delicious and the killing of non-sapient animals is not immoral.

[Anonymous No.12771959]

>>12771946
How does veganism solve overpopulation?

[Anonymous No.12771983]

>>12758593
It's not murder because they're not people.

[Anonymous No.12772466]

>>12771959
Although I agree with him, it's not for the same reasoning. Half of all agricultural land can only grazed by cattle and never farmed. Most of crop yields can only be fed to cattle as meal (ex basedbean meal is 80% of leftover onions crop biomass even if basedbean oil drives the demand) so overall crops would become more expensive. Expensive food and meat shortage would naturally lead to population growth stunt. As far as baseless claims, I think overall libido would drop and nutrient deficiencies would drop births.

[Anonymous No.12773988]

>>12770793
the pic represents reality very very well

[Anonymous No.12773990]

>>12771959
>how does veganism solve overpopulation
It malnourishes them, killing them

[Anonymous No.12774055]

For an actual scientific analysis of the flawed 'lifestyle choice' commonly known as 'veganism', please read this thread: >>12767957

[Anonymous No.12774987]

>>12756227
Why are vegans OK with killing plants?

[Anonymous No.12775311]

>>12765566
Becoming carbon^2 lifeformS?

Time to ingest light and waveforms (IT ISN'T REALLY LITERALLY).

Transvolution here we come!

[Anonymous No.12775316]

>>12771217
what's the control?

[Anonymous No.12775327]

>>12775311
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD-DmuRY0BI

[Anonymous No.12775333]

>>12756227

no, because there are specific conditions which can prevent people to have a full plant based diet.

[Anonymous No.12775334]

>>12775327
TransDevelopmentlution!

[Anonymous No.12775340]

>>12775333
is "plant" all you know?

[Anonymous No.12775364]

>>12775340
ke'now*

Seeing the different function type of these GPT-73ss in this sim is phenomenal, the interregation information extractors talking to one another about almost nothing and hypertrivial chalking it up to go sip, the suppressors getting bonafide careers that just magically somehow have very slight oppressive "powahs", it just goes on. Several years later and there's a vaguely functioning supraintersociety. Those new transtexts however left them spiritually mayed, which implies a spiritual instrinsicness: even if inordinately reacted to above average in cryptish insults and passive agressiveness due to classic game theory rather than metamodern game theory.

Good thing we scrapped all that and introduced multivarious optimal ranges of and from and with optimal multirange being-types and kinds. Now it's passive kindness transcendentness on average!

NOW IT'S BLISSFECTION!


(Im kidding, but I have a hinting suspicion that may be a quarter trueish due to formative conditions and factors^4 i.e. factors of factors of factors of factors and factors with factors with factors with factors). which reality worldbuild lore do you go by in a world with many claiming to be true yet different?
Make some model strategies and prosider metasuccess and met success.

Regardful andor irregardless - GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND ENJOY YOUR ASCENSION[/TRANSCENSION] PHASES!

Optimistis utopic.

[Anonymous No.12775372]

>>12756227
grug spend long time chewing raw roots, teeth fall out
grug spend long time chewing raw meat
grug start cook
cook taste good and no chew long time
tummy feel good, not like eating raw meat
Grug feels smarter.
Grug makes so much food now Grug can spend time shit posting on forums about eating vegetables only again.

[Anonymous No.12775387]

>>12775364
...~...*...

[Anonymous No.12775397]

>>12775364
>>12775387
~*

[Anonymous No.12775460]

>>12775340

veganism allows consumption of non plant-related foods?

[Anonymous No.12775474]

>>12775460
There are several schools of practice which rely on breath and light and other. So yes. If it is yes.

[Anonymous No.12775477]

>>12775460
Vegenism almost precisely. Vegendietist no.

[Anonymous No.12775478]

>>12775474

so veganism allows plutonium as a energy dense-cruelty free superfood supplement?

[Anonymous No.12775481]

>>12775477
~*

[Anonymous No.12775500]

>>12775478
I suppose so. I have recently wondered on the trinsicnesses of that. It is apparently a prefereable alternative when managed in safe ranges towards optimal. However it reportedly does not like it akin to how plants physically do not like being spat on. The positives of interactualisation were not asked about nor consequentially mentioned.

However, that is not my scienci forte'.

A virtuality model of potential andor imaginary andor suspected andor established may be created in regards to explorative question answers.

Note: the spit metaphor was in regards to power plants with an increased distance of magnitudes of actualisations between source and self-aware beingness. This may be very different in regards to superfundamental-awareness composing the inanimate.

Thankyou for your question.

Insufficient data and capacity and tronium and luck and fortune.

GoodDei.

[Anonymous No.12775529]

>>12775500
>Insufficient data and capacity and tronium and luck and fortune to answer transabsolutely.*

[Anonymous No.12775534]

>>12775529

I guess is a gpt bot

[Anonymous No.12775547]

>>12775534
Guess in-person intimately with a friend.

[Anonymous No.12775561]

>>12763439
>you don't have any physical traits for being a carnivores nor an omnivore.
oh shit it seems that the ancestors of humans forgot they weren't supposed to eat meat and started hunting over a million years ago. homo sapiens seems to have never known that they're not made to eat animal products because they've done so since their emergence till now.

[Anonymous No.12775568]

>>12775534
They are in a bletter place(?).

[Anonymous No.12775571]

>>12763711
>You'd get at the very least scurvy.
there's vitamin c in animal products retard, how do you think inuit don't all die of scurvy

[Anonymous No.12775592]

>>12756227
Pill that satisfies most nutrients leaving calorie intake to be indepent would work fine. Protein from meat has high chance of giving you dementia/cancer at later stages in life. Plant proteins have the reverse effect

[Anonymous No.12775734]

>it's the retard moral grandstanding thread again

[Anonymous No.12775740]

>>12757518
>Fag
Why the homophobia?

[Anonymous No.12775760]

>>12756227
well I'm made of fucking flesh not peas, so I guess I'll just eat a ton of lions from now on because I think absorbing the powers of lions is a cool concept that you inspire into me.
I'm going to go join my dentist friend to Africa next time to hunt endemic wildlife like lions and pygmies.

[Anonymous No.12775777]

>>12763392

[Anonymous No.12776062]

>>12771221
Yeah, those tumblrina bluehairs are definitely smarter than us... They're usually between the 100 - 115 IQ range at best. It sadly makes sense... You need a bigger imagination and therefore a higher IQ to believe in absurdities such as veganism. Common sense tells even a (relative in today's standards) dumbass eating a bit of meat floods his body with all kinds of goodies he needs to live.

[Anonymous No.12776084]

>>12771221
>>12776062
I know it's bait, but people need to know this.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14672297/
If vegans really wanted to end suffering, they'd give these third world nations starving children meat to improve their intelligence. Unless black human suffering is inconsequential to animal suffering? Really makes you think...

[Anonymous No.12776094]

>>12763392
Reading the replies to this post here... It's strange how evolutionary biology, according to the evidence, tells us we're meant to eat a fair helping of meat being hunters and gathers, but now the vegans are attempting to hijack the story and say we're only meant to eat vegetables.

>>12776084
Vegans are virtue signaling pricks. The only reason I'm concerned is because some of those fuckers seem hell-bent on getting laws passed against meat consumption. Not that it's going to stop me. I'll pay hunters to teach me how to use hunt (more discreetly now of course), skin and prep small game if I have to.

[Anonymous No.12776110]

>>12773988
Of YouTubers are your reality, maybe. It's not objective.

[Anonymous No.12776118]

ITT:
>literally all people in a group I don't belong to are exactly the same

You're all a bunch of turds who need a serious flushing.

[Anonymous No.12776275]

>>12759549
Because they have been groomed into doing so by animals who actively chose to spread the seed of those plants that gave the most yummy fruit to eat.

Would it be more okay to eat animal if we selectively breed it to enjoy getting tortured and killed first?

[Anonymous No.12776305]

>>12771959
I never said it does, we just have to rely completely on farming instead, but even with farming we are taking space away from the ecosystem while I think we should work to somehow integrate our agriculture and animal farming practices with nature at least until we will just be able to bioengineer everything
I'm not vegan, that shit makes no sense
>>12773990
Kek

[Anonymous No.12776334]

>>12756227
how are vegagroids this mentally ill?

[Anonymous No.12776465]

>>12757780
>Same argument could go for meat-eaters, since the B12 in meat comes from supplements as well and on average, they don't even get enough of it from meat.
So you think people were keeling over from B12 deficiency for a hundred thousand years before supplements were invented huh?

[Anonymous No.12776701]

>>12776465
No.

[Anonymous No.12776710]

>>12776465
No. Back then, animals roamed free and ate plants from the ground. The ground quality these days is so bad, it hardly contains any cobalt or microorganisms synthesizing B12 anymore. That's why meat-eaters are deficient in the present.
It wasn't like that in the past.
Why do your think B12 and cobalt are so heavily supplemented for farm animals?

[Anonymous No.12776845]

>>12776710
So you're telling me I get both tastiness and don't have to swallow shitty supplements?
Yum

[Anonymous No.12776900]

Plants are living beings don't eat plants.

[Anonymous No.12776963]

>>12776845
No, you seem to already have some deficiency if you still didn't understand.
You get the tastiness but still have to get supplements.

[Anonymous No.12777620]

>>12776710
B12 is only supplemented to monograstic livestock such as chickens and pigs. Cattle are almost never supplemented when grazed but will be provided cobalt rocks to lick while I'm CAFO. For a second I thought you were going the
>humans used to get their B12 from dirty water and veg!

[Anonymous No.12777833]

>>12757552
>starch and fruit are incredulously rare in a natural/prefarm setting vs meat if you are a decent hunter.
Not rare at all in the tropics.

>>12757629
>Length, not height.
I still don't get it. The length of what?

[Anonymous No.12777843]

>>12765527
>If anything, it's the total opposite. Our brain size has DECREASED with the advent of agriculture and starchier diets.
Humans have been cooking starches for at least 100k years, far longer than agriculture has existed.

[Anonymous No.12779110]

>>12756227
>You are what you eat
Are you saying I'm a pussy?

[Anonymous No.12779736]

Why do vegan subhumans argue that eating meat is not moral? They never pick on other predators for eating meat because they know it is in their nature to hunt and eat other animals. Why is it wrong for us, then, especially when we make it as painless as possible (unless you live in China)? Do they think we have sharp teeth for the heck of it? Why haven't the jannies gotten rid of this retarded thread?

[Anonymous No.12779771]

>>12758562
In that source and even the excerpt you posted, there are a lot of "maybe"s, "probably"s, "we're not sure"s, and "unclear"s. What I'm getting from this is that red meat being carcinogenic is BULLSHIT.

[Anonymous No.12781058]

>>12777620
>Cattle are almost never supplemented when grazed
And how often does that happen? The meat you and I eat aren't from cows that are grazed outside. And even then, ground quality is shit. Not much B12 in them.

[Anonymous No.12781070]

>>12779771
>What I'm getting from this
Of course, everything not reiterating your beliefs is bullshit. Stay in the filter bubble then.

[Anonymous No.12781121]

>>12756227
>saturated colors good
>desaturated colors bad
do retards really?

[Anonymous No.12781137]

>>12759604
Virtually all "herbivores" are opportunistic omnivores.

[Anonymous No.12783533]

>>12781058
>And how often does that happen?
Very infrecuently. B12 shots are expensive and are not worth using unless it's something like sheep that sells higher.

>The meat you and I eat aren't from cows that are grazed outside.
All cattle is grazed outside by farmers. After 12 or 16 months, they're sold to CAFO where they're fattened through feed till slaughter.

>round quality is shit. Not much B12 in them.
Well there isn't, since B12 are a few short-lived compounds created by bacteria in the gut of some animals. Grazing animals dont have this problem.

[Anonymous No.12783568]

>>12756227
No

https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/the-myth-of-the-expanding-circle-or-you-cant-learn-how-to-be-an-english-vegetarian/

[Anonymous No.12783583]

>>12781058
>The meat you and I eat aren't from cows that are grazed outside.
Yes it is. You've been deliberately mislead by activists who think you won't side with them if you're told the truth.

[Anonymous No.12783716]

>>12781070
>researchers don't even know what they're talking about and admit their research does not support red meat being carcinogenic
>that means meat is bad and causes cancer!
Kek. Nothing wrong with eating meat now and forever. Vegans are a scourge to humanity.

[Anonymous No.12784228]

>>12783716
That's not what they're saying. Stop pretending you're capable of reading.