/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12304879]

Does randomness really exist?

[Anonymous No.12304882]

Yes, at the quantum level

[Anonymous No.12304886]

>>12304879
That doesn't matter, epistemologically

[Anonymous No.12304954]

>>12304879
yes
https://youtu.be/lZ3bPUKo5zc?t=24m

[Anonymous No.12305055]

[Anonymous No.12305058]

hopefully

[Anonymous No.12305080]

>>12304879
yes and its so strong, that there is no empty space.
and it is fundamental for theoretical physicists for big bang explanation.
quantum fluctuation

[Anonymous No.12305087]

>>12304879
yes coz im so random xD

[Anonymous No.12305102]

>>12304879
Only locally where information is incomplete

[Anonymous No.12305257]

>>12304879
no. randomness is nothing but man's inability of predicting outcomes.

[Anonymous No.12305279]

>>12304879
Only if you trust physicists who are neck deep inside their own assholes.

[Anonymous No.12305291]

>>12304879
I strongly believe that randomness does not exist. Not even at quantum level or some other shit.

It is however a very useful concept if you try to draw conclusions based on limited information.

>t. statistician

[Anonymous No.12305295]

>>12304879
dunno, I just claim it does and stuff works

[Anonymous No.12305334]

Is a die roll random?

Is a fully shuffled deck of cards random?

Randomness is subjective.

[Anonymous No.12305344]

>>12304879
lol no

https://youtu.be/cvqVLlpF9VA

[Anonymous No.12305354]

>>12305291
Isnt that the universe exists pretty random?

[Anonymous No.12305655]

>>12304882
>Yes, at the quantum level
why is it possible at quantum level?

[Anonymous No.12305660]

>>12304879
Holds up spork :p

[Anonymous No.12305694]

>>12304879
I cannot predict is random. That's what we call random. Stuff we cannot predict, we call random. That's that word. Not no following deterministic principles.

[Anonymous No.12305711]

>>12305694
"cannot predict" is too vague of a notion to be meaningful.

[Anonymous No.12305718]

>>12304879
No, randomness just means that there are hidden factors.

[Anonymous No.12305755]

>>12305711
But that's what random means, however vague. For somebody rolling a dice is physics, for somebody random.

[Anonymous No.12305778]

>>12305655
Uncertainty principle

[Anonymous No.12305805]

>>12305778
That doesn't even mean something is random, just that you can't get outcome. Every waves and everything there is also subject to deterministic equation, you just cannot know something in those particles at once doesn't mean they are random.

Even thou, if you add how your measurement changed properties of particle whole uncertainity is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12305817]

>>12305805
The whole point is that if you measure the x component of spin, you literally have randomness if you then measure the z component. There are no deterministic equations to tell you the z component. What we do know is that it will be 50/50 up/down.

[Anonymous No.12305846]

>>12304879
no

https://esotericawakening.com/the-occult-significance-of-the-number-6

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[Anonymous No.12306699]

>>12304879
>Golly The Game Of life
B03478/S034678

This is my favorite rule I've found so far, because it has wrinkles like a brain, and is the most geometric goo I've found. I've tried repeatedly switching from this code or 3-4 life, back to regular life for a single step to naturally select it, but it's mostly useless. Golly 'Life' is like an extinction code unless you meticulously create a pattern by hand. For a single rotation of a complex asymmetrical pattern in golly, would far exceed the human lifespan. Neural networks are more efficient in creating 'life'. Ed-rep is really neat but not really alive. If I knew how to program I would code multiple golly with different rules competing for resources over an ever changing landscape, and I would give them the ability to jump or teleport short or long leaps like a knight in chess. I would combine Ed-rep with 3-4 life if I could so that you could draw a shape and it'd repeat it for ever in different ways that are 50% accurate.

Try adding
:K800,800*
or
:K1600,1600* if your computer can handle it.

[Anonymous No.12306742]

>>12305655
No one actually knows yet.

[Anonymous No.12306759]

>>12306699
>B03478/S034678
I've got Golly, what do you do with that, where do I put it?

[Anonymous No.12306838]

>>12306759
>B03478/S034678

Control
Set Rule
Enter A new Rule + Copy Paste

Name it: Test 14
Click Add

[Anonymous No.12306854]

>>12305102
>>12305817
>>12305805
>>12305778
>>12305655
>>12304882
These are all relevant, I think that we need to consider what we mean by random.
Is everything predictable by some model?
Maybe, we're yet to get to that point and currently don't know.

[Anonymous No.12306863]

>>12304879
of course it does, one can define it therefore it exists in math
what happens in physics etc is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.12306911]

>>12305354
No, it is a necessary mathematical identity that a certain amount of nothing yields anything such as a universe.

[Anonymous No.12306915]

>>12304879
Law of Expanding Infinities. Smaller infinities that catch up to larger infinities are by definition random as they cannot be measured until relative to another stable set. Holy fuck.

[Anonymous No.12306928]

>>12306915
You can't have larger or smaller infinities because you can't have a limit smaller than no limit at all, either it is infinite without limit or it is a limited finite set.

[Anonymous No.12306935]

>>12306928
what are countable and uncountable infinities
what are surreal numbers

[Anonymous No.12306960]

>>12306935
>what are countable and uncountable infinities
You mean infinite countable and uncountable sets?
Countable sets are limited to using counting symbols found in the set of natural numbers and uncountable sets use additional symbols that are outside the scope of counting such as real or irrational numbers, but both types of sets are both infinite in scale.

Surreal numbers are limited to symbols used in real numbers plus symbols for representations of infinities and infinitesimals, but still infinite in scale.

[Anonymous No.12306979]

>>12305087
lmfaoo i laughed

[Anonymous No.12308602]

>>12305655
because God exists

[Anonymous No.12308751]

>>12304886
It matters emotionally for the majority of human beings, so we allow for it.