/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10174046]

Any psychologists on /sci/? How can we convince Americans to take anthropomorphic climate change seriously?

[Anonymous No.10174054]

calc 1 student here.

any psychologist who is a woman, disregard her opinion. usually they were bad shit crazy and rather than seek a therapist, they get a physcology degree to figure out their emotions.

climate change is real, pschologists didn't help discover it

i am a man of science btw

calc 1 is good shit.

[Anonymous No.10174057]

>>10174046
How can we convince people to take the dangers of wireless devices seriously? The science is completely against their position, the possibility for immediate harm is great and well researched, and we're out of time. We need this shit gone yesterday. Yet all I ever hear about is Trump and climate change, and all anyone ever says is "oh there's a lot to worry about", because they're curled up into a ball inside. And what did that? Climate change. And they ignore the issues within their immediate control and right in their OWN HOMES.

They're destroying their endocrine systems, damaging their brains, and sterilizing themselves and their children. They're busy putting iPads in the hands of elementary school children as we speak, with a slot antenna for the wifi conveniently located on the bottom of the device, right near their genitals. Part of certain legislation or subsidy apparently mandates that the final step to internet connection must be wireless. Need to find more specifics on that, but it's the same with doctor's offices.

This is the pressing issue and the pollution of our time. And it's the only time we've polluted the living fuck out of everything and been able to clean it all up simply by TURNING IT OFF.

[Anonymous No.10174095]

>>10174046
Americans? Are you retarded? 80% of pollution comes out of Asia. Good luck getting those assholes to give two fucks.

[Anonymous No.10174108]

>>10174054
This anon is a freshman xD

[Anonymous No.10174154]

>>10174046
>anthropomorphic

[Anonymous No.10174168]

>>10174057

[Anonymous No.10174179]

>>10174168
>Talks about scientifically proven facts
>Doesn't like areas of science that gives uncomfortable results, repeatedly, out of every inhabited continent of this planet, for 50+ years
>>>/religion/

[Anonymous No.10174233]

>>10174046

Start by putting a lid on the sensationalist bullshit.

Naturally some people are going to be skeptical after decades of reading "a catastrophe is only 10 years away!" reports, especially when these get the most attention and coverage to the average person.

[Anonymous No.10174405]

>>10174233
Seems to understand me pretty well

[Anonymous No.10174419]

>>10174046
You can start by getting your fucking models right. Two decades we were supposed to be going into an ice age, and now we're supposed to be boiling while we drown in water. NASA has provided climate feedback values since the 70's, but they're discarded so models will be more "accurate." In truth, the only thing they're accurate for is an increase in funding and political opportunism.

Also, it will never be taken seriously because no legitimate solutions have been put on the table. Carbon taxes and cutting back on industry will only economically harm us, while nations creating the most pollution fail to fix their shit. If you want people to take it seriously, it needs serious proposals. Lagrange point research stations, nuclear energy advancement, industrial material/processing alternatives.

[Anonymous No.10174445]

6/10. Keep working on it, you've got potential.

[Anonymous No.10174454]

>>10174179
>>10174057
>They're destroying their endocrine systems, damaging their brains, and sterilizing themselves and their children.
You're going to need some sources bucko

[Anonymous No.10174469]

>>10174454
If you visit /sci/ often, you'll likely see a future post of mine. I come around occasionally, and might also post about 5G tonight.

For now you'll have to make due with these (quite adequate but not ideal) posts I've made in the past.

"I did it for you. First 5 pages (skipped all the papers about brain, endocrine, and other organ damage)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30445985
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30028652
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30023251
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30009952
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29886390
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29884549
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29884548
Most papers seem to use power levels and modulation identical or comparable to modern devices, from briefly skimming the abstracts.

Magras and Xenos:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9261543
End result, in rats irreversible population infertility within 5 generations."

And:
No reading version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GiFMJVl6Q

Literature sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23802593
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26300312
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29573716
http://cyrusfarivar.com/docs/WiFi%20Health/EBBE-review.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1482415

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8388394

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF
Historical reviews, symposium proceedings, etc ^
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810017132.pdf

Irreversible infertility:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9261543

General theory:
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521096402.pdf

In vivo DNA damage in humans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29667447

Behavioral changes with prenatal exposure:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22428084

[Anonymous No.10174474]

>>10174469
Some of the people involved:
Henry Lai did research for decades, including work about microwaves with Narendra Singh who developed one of the most sensitive versions of the comet assay.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014482788902650
(cited 10,000+ times). Unless you unquestioningly believe every claim and slanderous remark by industry and its affiliates, there's nothing to make him a "crank".
Refer to the leaked memo by Motorola back in the 90's stating that they'd sufficiently war-gamed Lai and Singh's studies.
https://microwavenews.com/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/backissues/j-f97issue.pdf
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/devra-davis-phd/cell-phones-brain-cancer_b_3232534.html
https://www.seattlemag.com/article/uw-scientist-henry-lai-makes-waves-cell-phone-industry

And it's another matter with William Ross Adey.
His last paper before his death in 2004.
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521096402.pdf
-Taught at Oxford
-Worked with NASA (search NASA archives)
-Was one of the main researchers involved in the development of qEEG
-Early pioneering work in the use of computers to evaluate dynamic datasets like the EEG
-Worked in the DoD's project pandora
-Was the head supervisor and a lead researcher at UCLA's brain research institute
-Co-authored major papers like the original Ca2+ efflux study.
-Received millions in research grants from the department of energy, office of naval affairs, and private entities over the course of 30 years, and practically until his death
-Was bulletproof enough in his manner and work that entities (eg WHO, Navy) would try to talk around his work when it was inconvenient in one section, but unavoidably speak of it with apprehension to reverence in a later one at a time when the field as a whole was experiencing widespread loss of funding / high probability of being fired or forced out if you didn't play ball. A trend that continues to this day.

[Anonymous No.10174477]

>>10174474
A note on autism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_syndrome
This genetic polymorphism causes calcium channels to be overactive, and intracellular calcium to be chronically elevated. It almost always presents with autism. Changes in cholinergic activity and chronic microglia activation are other common features of autism.

If you look around these days, many people are displaying low grade pseudo-autistic traits.

Other reviews.
http://www.marthaherbert.org/library/Herbert-Sage-2013-Autism-EMF-PlausibilityPathophysiologicalLink-Part11.pdf
http://www.marthaherbert.org/library/Herbert-Sage-2013-Autism-EMF-PlausibilityPathophysiologicalLink-Part2.pdf

It's my suspicion that this increase in autism incidence with prenatal exposure is solidified by early clamping of the placenta at birth, depriving the child of its iron stores and causing hypoxia as this is often done before full lung changeover. Thus it's deprived of one avenue of protection from RF in the bone marrow and gut, and to a lesser extent the brain. Though RF in general, as it increases blood brain barrier permeability, and alters the transport of free iron to ferritin, will increase fenton reaction oxidation of various compounds. So it's a multifaceted aspect in this immediate post-natal period.

[Anonymous No.10174480]

>>10174477
Some images as well.

[Anonymous No.10174482]

You basically can't. It's become a tribalistic political view to conservatives. Their party has mastered the propaganda, disinformation and sowing doubt about the science for decades now, to the point at which it's a political position to them. You can point to the evidence, yet it means nothing to the vast majority of conservatives, only how they feel matters. Trump is the epitome of this, "trust your gut" type nonsense that is entrenched in conservative politics these days.

But keep in mind, this is exactly what the oil lobbyist wanted. They created this atmosphere, and utilized conservative politicians as a vector to spread doubt about the science. They have been doing it for literally decades, as soon as it was realized that this issue would result of their corporations being regulated.They have spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the years to achieve this goal, and politicians are pretty cheap to buy.

[Anonymous No.10174483]

>>10174480
I believe this is probably Mariya Tolgskaya. Which would likely make it prior to the 60's. Don't know.

[Anonymous No.10174486]

>>10174483
More of the Naval Medical Research Institute installation. Much of this was uprooted, physically, along with Walter Reed army base, and moved to Brooks airforce base. I believe Rome Labs suffered the same fate. This was used to eventually push the "thermal effects only" narrative to fellow NATO members, such that our use of radar abroad would not be threatened.

[Anonymous No.10174490]

>>10174486
Glaser composing the 1971 (ammended in 1972) bibliography in the mediafire link above. It had 2308 citations.

[a bit concerned now tb h No.10174491]

>>10174469
Thanks for the sources

[Anonymous No.10174498]

>>10174491
Yep. Unfortunately the only way to really protect yourself is to reduce exposure as much as possible. I've made a few posts about attenuating the damage though. I'll try to find one, or just re-recompose it. It's fairly straightforward.

We really just gotta get rid of this stuff.

[Anonymous No.10174507]

>>10174498
-N-acetyl-cysteine, acetyl-L-carnitine, vitamin C, E, and D. Omega-3 fatty acids as well. The intention is to provide antioxidants, deal with lipid peroxidation, and support the glutathione system.
-Make sure you have adequate magnesium, zinc, and selenium. This is involved in calcium homeostasis. Elevated Mg+ blocks calcium influx, which is what causes the elevated superoxide and nitric oxide production, which goes on to become peroxynitrite and hydrogen peroxide. Eat healthy, organic fruits and vegetables, a few brazil nuts per day.
-Various herbs like gotu kola, ginkgo biloba, ashwagandha, celastrus paniculatus, etc.
-Calcium channel blockers like phenibut and panax ginseng may be effective. The latter has been shown to attenuate wi-fi induced hippocampal damage. Ginseng is high in phytoestrogens and should be used in moderation in men.
-Proper sleep. This means getting rid of all emitting devices in your house. All fluorescents and LEDs. Make sure you have no blue light a few hours before bed and sleep in complete darkness. No blue light. No green light. Not even any dim red light, as it's been shown if you're not albino or have blue eyes, the melanin in your iris facilitates transduction of power frequency fields and suppresses melatonin synthesis. This occurs even with incredibly dim red light.
-Try to manage stress. I don't have any advice on this one.
-Do some research and inform others.

That's the gist of it.

[Anonymous No.10174580]

>>10174482
Comparing our GDP output to our emissions, you will find we are one of the most efficient economies on this planet. Wah, wah all you want about the US but China solo pollutes more than Europe and North America combined.

[Anonymous No.10174599]

>>10174154
Optimized.

[Anonymous No.10174602]

>>10174168
Optimized.

[Anonymous No.10175367]

>>10174469
How do you respond to these? I can’t seem to find any good evidence that the scientific consensus is clear on this. Most of the stuff you posted is non human, though the videos are interesting.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-nation-indulges-in-some-particularly-egregious-fear-mongering-about-cell-phones-and-cancer/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/21/mobile-phones-are-not-a-health-hazard

[Anonymous No.10175427]

>>10174580
Why are Americans so fucking stupid and delusional? You dickheads honestly live in a parallel universe, your entire country is full of bullshit China tier propaganda and people constantly wanking each other off with made up statistics.

You come in 80th place for GDP per emissions, chunks of Europe do 5x better. Keep gargling that nationalistic dick anon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ratio_of_GDP_to_carbon_dioxide_emissions

[Anonymous No.10175651]

>>10174580
Per capita they pollute less and lot of international pollution happens in china, as they are manufacturing stuff for us.

[Anonymous No.10175680]

>>10175427
>a single entry from 2006 wiki data
>our 3rd worst year in 50+ years
>doesn't take into account great emission reduction US has had since 2008 - reduced almost 1000 million metric tons of CO2 emissions since then
also
>be US
>have more wealth than any two continents combined including Asia + Europe
>subsidize the world in literally everything from tech, to military, to medicine
>still manage to run the 11th most efficient developed economy despite having x33 more people and x320 more land than pseudo bitch countries like Belgium who can't even x1.5 us on efficiency
If anything, we are allowed higher emissions as reparations for having to drag the world by the hair in terms of scientific progress. What has China done in comparison with their 30% global emissions? Build the 50 cent trinkets smarter men have designed? Idk why you'd want to put red tape on the only country in this world that has the intellectual capital to solve global warming. Go bother China, India, Russia, and Japan and fuck right off of us.

[Anonymous No.10175683]

Cannot care to search for the surveys but the surveys do show that Americans are vastly in favour of acting on climate change. Something like 60% to 75%. There is also another survey that shows that politicians underestimate how much the electorate cares about climate change.

[Anonymous No.10175687]

>>10175680
All your numbers are wrong. Nice try shill.

[Anonymous No.10175688]

>>10175651
It's not our problem China is a slave economy that runs off their human capital. They also account for 51% of global coal pollution because their retarded inlanders still use fucking coal heaters in their homes.

[Anonymous No.10175690]

>>10175687
Look at your own link retard. 2006 data.
>using a single data point to make an argument
Are you by any chance a retarded maple bitch? Probably Chinese diaspora.

[Anonymous No.10175704]

>>10174054
>any psychologist who is a woman, disregard her opinion
nice ad hominem, faggot, also, why the fuck you just can´t write psychology? or psychologist?

[Anonymous No.10175706]

>>10174046
>anthropomorphic climate change

[Anonymous No.10175778]

>>10174046
psychology is not a science
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.10175993]

>>10175680
> Can't cope with emissions per capita
> Demands emissions per GDP instead
> Still emitting more than Europe currently

Leaving aside how bullshit GDP is in general, do you want to shift the goalposts again?
The US doesn't subsidise shit, again more bullshit propaganda you idiots are fed. Screeching hysterically won't change the fact that no one wants subsidies and if you spent a tiny fraction of the trillions spent on wars in the last decade you could have singlehandedly fixed climate change and actually saved the world.

China agreed to 45% reduction from 2005 levels and reached it 3 years ahead of schedule last year.
The US agreed to 26% reduction from 2005 levels and won't make the target even by 2025.

And all of this only measures a countries output, it doesn't measure consumption. Burgers buy Chinese steel yet the emissions are counted as being Chinese.

Burger nationalism and prolific retardation that turns science into political sided issues will ruin the world. At least China can get shit done, you guys are a fucking mess.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.KD.GD?year_high_desc=true

[Anonymous No.10176020]

>>10174046
ew ew I know this one!!
tell them to pay a carbon tax so the govt can buy a pipeline and expand oil production

what do I win? where is my nobel prize in economics?

[Anonymous No.10176044]

>>10175993
>he thinks comparing emissions of college educated, contributing members of the world to those of cave dwelling peasants is fair
High GDP -> high productivity -> high net contribution to species. I would gladly cull the bottom 5 billion to lower emissions. They are a waste anyway.

>Burger nationalism and prolific retardation that turns science into political sided issues will ruin the world. At least China can get shit done, you guys are a fucking mess.
t. Chinese diaspora

>be China
>highest population for 5k years
>what have you achieved in all this time with all these people anon?
>muh 4 great inventions, anon
LMFAO. China is the most pathetic country in existence.

[Anonymous No.10176104]

>>10174046
I love psychologist's who are women.

[Anonymous No.10176113]

>>10175367
Such sensationalist news articles most likely paid for by the companies who want 5G should be disregarded without a second thought. If they had any ground in actual science they would be writing proper articles and submitting them for peer review. But they can't so they post their bullshit online on their websites.

[Anonymous No.10176115]

>>10174046
>implying the Earth's climate isn't constantly changing

[Anonymous No.10176118]

>>10175367
Also, see how neither of those two "articles" (if they deserve that name) even attempt to provide any arguments against [Ca2+]i. You know, the typical mainstream tactic, sweep it under the rug and bet that everyone reading your propaganda pieces will be too stupid to tell

[Anonymous No.10176131]

>>10174498
>>10174469
>>10174474
>>10174507
So do I just wire in my laptop and put my phone on airplane mode at night?
What lights am I supposed to use of not florescent or LEDs?

[Anonymous No.10176243]

>>10176044
A hurricane increases GDP, burgers could build a billion missiles bomb some random country and that would greatly improve GDP.
You're fucking delusional mate. GDP has nothing at all to with "contributing to the species" and I'm quite sure you have no clue what productivity actually means in the economic sense.

> He screeches hysterically: "But wut has the Chinks done"

Bring 600 million people out of poverty in a few decades, become world leaders in manufacturing, particularly electronics, everyone goes to Shenzen if they want to prototype.
Undisputably at the forefront of renewables, AI and mobile payments.

I've spent time in both Chinkland and Burgerland, the burgers scare me more. From bizarre pharma ads on tv, crazy dystopian cities full of homeless shitting anywhere they want, watching people go broke from basic healthcare needs and mindless patriotism that doesn't question a thing. At least the chinks know their government is full of shit, you goys lap it up.

Meanwhile China is clean, has ultrafast rail across the country and the easiest place on earth to make a million dollars. It's far more capitalist than burgerland these days.

Their life expectancy is rapidly rising while US life expectancy is dropping. You're a washed out whore of an empire that will soon be number two and it's going to bruise some egos.

[Anonymous No.10176252]

>>10174046
Stop making wrong predictions, I guess.

[Anonymous No.10176258]

>>10176243
top kek. Imagine writing this essay. Chinese diaspora like you are peak NPCs. If China is so great why did you leave then? Deep down you know its a monotonous shit hole.

[Anonymous No.10176324]

>>10176243
>manufacturing electronics
>Renewables
>china is clean

[Anonymous No.10176330]

>>10176252
Which predictions were wrong?

[Anonymous No.10176333]

>>10176115
>>anon you're overeating and becoming obese
>implying body weight isn't constantly changing

[Anonymous No.10176357]

>>10176258
>>10176324
Anon, you just got BTFO. He served you ass on a silver platter and handed it back to you. He has a point, China is strong and powerful. The US is weak and laughably pathetic. We cannot compete anymore on the world stage.

[Anonymous No.10176361]

>>10176357
lol you don't even get how chinsy economics works. They are the slave class to the American Hegemony.

[Anonymous No.10176367]

>>10176361
They own our factories, they own our debt. We are nothing. We are at China's mercy. We constantly get weaker while China is constantly getting stronger. Soon China will be able to figuratively tip US over to collapse with the push of a pinky(no pun intended) finger. The whites will be finished.

[Anonymous No.10176384]

>>10176367
LOL, China isn't going to do a damn thing until the people kill the corruption, or some other happenstance deals with it. Just like America ain't stopping crawling up the ass of all the shitskins until something is done with theirs.

[Anonymous No.10176403]

>>10176333
>comparing your body to a collection of organisms on a planetary level
You're comparing apples to car tires

[Anonymous No.10176412]

>>10174454
You shouldn't have responded and summoned the fucking nut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpFdP5yATw0

[Anonymous No.10176413]

>>10176403
>You compared two different things!!!11
Yeah that's how comparisons work, retard.

The Earth's climate constantly changing doesn't tell us whether the current change is normal or safe.

[Anonymous No.10176415]

>>10176403
Your weight constantly changing doesn't tell us that the current change is normal or safe, fatty.

[Anonymous No.10176454]

>>10176412
Hey at least he responded with relevant studies, even if one of them was literally putting rats in MRI machines for hours

[Anonymous No.10176457]

>>10174046
>anthropomorphic climate change
Fake

[Anonymous No.10176477]

>>10174419
Maybe you should spend 2 minutes checking that your shit is correct?

[Anonymous No.10176483]

>>10174046
The majority of Americans do take climate change seriously.

It's our Republican retards that don't.

[Anonymous No.10176484]

>>10174046
Americans do not take climate change seriously for a few reasons.

1) The biggest proponents of AGW are the same retards who say there are 1000 genders but gender is also just a social construct. Their absolute lunacy about identity politics turns a lot of people off their whole platform. Many people, myself included, do believe AGW is real and want the government to do something about it, but the only people arguing for this also regularly fly off the handle when someone gets misgendered. If Democrats sobered up and talked about real issues for once, they'd have better luck convincing the electorate AGW is a threat.

2) While AGW is certainly a threat, there's a large number of dickheads making a lot of money off it in sleazy ways. Fun fact, China got millions of dollars worth of carbon credits for not building a coal plant. Not for shutting one down, just for not building one.

3) All the fearmongering needs to stop. You need to stop fags like Guy McPherson who say we'll all be dead by 2030. You need to be honest about the problems it will cause. Emphasize how AGW will exacerbate the current migrant crises.

[Anonymous No.10176490]

>>10176484
>Rural Republican retards do not take climate change seriously for a few reasons.

fixed

[Anonymous No.10176573]

>>10176357
lmfao get real. The Chinese are too use to the status quo to ever fucking be a super power. That's why the only thing they have progressed in is their population numbers in the last 5k years. Can you imagine a billion slaves getting ruled with iron fist by a committee of like 10 dudes? They are the reason I believe in NPCs. Even Russia can take China on and I say this literally.

[Anonymous No.10176697]

>>10176484
>bringing up genders out of the blue
hmm
>Democrats sobered up and talked about real issues for once
how about corruption in the white house, medicare for all, reasonable foreign policy, a tax policy that's not handouts to the rich? Seems like you're the one blinded by identity politics

[Anonymous No.10176953]

>>10174046
>psychologists
>convince
you mean brainwash?

>convince
how about you provide enough evidence to make your case, and let the people decide by themselves?

[Anonymous No.10176964]

>>10174580
>China solo pollutes more than Europe and North America combined.
where are your toys, smartphones, computers, solar panels, ... produced? yes, you guessed it: China
still, the US pollutes too much compared to the shitty amount of (tangible) industrial products (vs the aamount of stuff produced China).

[Anonymous No.10176980]

>>10176953
>how about you provide enough evidence to make your case, and let the people decide by themselves?
Marketing groups and propaganda fare pretty well against scientists when it comes to convincing the public.

[Anonymous No.10177306]

A journalist once asked Einstein his opinion on a paper titled "100 top scientists agree that Einstein is wrong".

Einstein considered it for a moment, and replied "100? If I were truly wrong it should only take 1".

[Anonymous No.10177315]

Isn't it pointless to even care now? Didn't we already pass the "tipping point"?

[Anonymous No.10177463]

>>10174507
>as it's been shown if you're not albino or have blue eyes, the melanin in your iris facilitates transduction of power frequency fields and suppresses melatonin synthesis. This occurs even with incredibly dim red light.
I have 100% bure aryan grey eyes, am I susceptible? I have f.lux turned down to almost monochrome red.

[Anonymous No.10177541]

>>10174046
You will never do so.

Every global warming conversation I've ever heard or taken part is,
>>Global warming is a threat to the continued existence of life on Earth
that is a compelling statement, how so?
>>Presents volumes and volumes of evidence and historical examples, we need more money for research
that is troubling, what can we do to stop this disaster?
>>Here are even more examples of how the climate is affecting random person or animal, now we need more money for research
yes I believe you, this is a thing for sure, but what can we do?
>>here are 99 scientists from around the world who are masters in their field, coming together to convince you stupid Americans that global warming is a threat! why won't you listen to us?!@?!
I have been listening, and I want to save the random people or animals. But I want to know what we can do?
>>stupid Americans don't believe in global warming.
WHAT CAN WE DO
>>we need more money for research
I'm out.

[Anonymous No.10177554]

>>10177315
>the "tipping point"
tipping point of what? What exactly do you believe carbon dioxide will do?

Humans changing the atmosphere is no more or less a catastrophic event than trees filling it with oxygen in the first place. Nature will adapt and life will go on.

[Anonymous No.10177568]

/sci/chologists XD gottem

[Anonymous No.10177571]

>ban fossil fuels
>ban private property
>mandate a law that any citizen must plant x number of trees yearly or he faces confiscation of personal property and fines

A single government can pass these laws in an year. What's so fucking hard?

[Anonymous No.10177596]

>>10177541
This.
>open climate change article
>ctrl + f "nuclear"
>no results
>close tab

[Anonymous No.10177604]

>>10177596
producing more power is not the solution. Using less is.

[Anonymous No.10177611]

>>10177604
Explain why.

[Anonymous No.10177621]

>>10177541
>>10177596
Climate "scientists" are observe and report tier. It's a joke because everybody else in science knows these are the kids that flunked higher math. They can't offer a solution because that will put them out of business since they won't be the ones working on the solution.

[Anonymous No.10177622]

>>10177306
It should only take one scientist to prove AGW wrong.

[Anonymous No.10177626]

>>10174046
Why not just kill 6 billion useless eaters and have it not matter anymore for the remaining population?

[Anonymous No.10177628]

>>10177541
>no one ever told me we should emit less GHGs
Why are you lying?

[Anonymous No.10177630]

>>10177554
It's happening too quickly for nature to adapt without causing severe harm to the infrastructure and ecosystems humans rely on, that's the entire point.

Do deniers really not understand what they're arguing or is the only tactic they have left misrepresenting the science? You decide!

[Anonymous No.10177633]

>>10174046
make up a story about a magic man who will punish us forever unless we don't use fossil fuels, and then create local community organizations that enforce this rule under all circumstances.

[Anonymous No.10177635]

>>10177611
Because it leads to the thinking that technology is the solution to every problem, when in fact technology is the primary problem and reason for this environmental catastrophe.

[Anonymous No.10177639]

>>10177626
This desu. Charity is killing this planet. I can't imagine how we will survive 4 billion Africans with Chinese tier pollution.

[Anonymous No.10177647]

>>10177628
and how do you propose we as a planet do that within the confines of legal and ethical channels? What sort of legislation has been put forward that doesn't get reduced to "pay more taxes, gib moneys?" What sort of recycling / conservationist programs have you gotten involved in, and would recommend based on positive evidence of effectiveness?

We have matured passed a point where we need to be told Global Climate Change is an issue, and we need to begin talking about what the person/community/nation/planet is doing, actually doing not just wishing upon a star for magic recycle faeries to produce less bullcrap, to both lessen the impact on the ecosystem and to develop ways to survive that are economically feasible.

[Anonymous No.10177650]

>>10177635
You've got to weigh the good against the bad. Sure technology has caused many problems, but it has solved a whole lot, too.

I mean, do you think starvation wasn't a problem before technology, when there were fewer people and everything was all nature and sheit? Of course it was. People always liked fucking, and they didn't even have contraception, or even understanding of conception. That meant that the main reason for there having been fewer people was literally just babies dying by the millions.

That is exactly what consuming less power would do. It would lead to increased poverty, which would lead to more dead children.
What is more important? What are the priorities?

[Anonymous No.10177658]

>>10177639
this

[Anonymous No.10177666]

>>10174046
Climate change doesn't matter. There are trillions and trillions of planets. Our planet doesn't matter.

Stop pretending you care about the environment. You care about your own survival. Your environmentalism is selfish and you know it. You just won't admit it.

I hope we wipe ourselves out. The planet will restore itself in a couple million years.

[Anonymous No.10177676]

>>10177647
>and how do you propose we as a planet do that within the confines of legal and ethical channels?
Tax emissions optimally and invest in nuclear and renewable research and infrastructure.

>What sort of legislation has been put forward that doesn't get reduced to "pay more taxes, gib moneys?"
Oh so you do know about the solution, thanks for admitting you lied.

>We have matured passed a point where we need to be told Global Climate Change is an issue
Apparently not, look at this thread.

>and we need to begin talking about what the person/community/nation/planet is doing, actually doing not just wishing upon a star for magic recycle faeries to produce less bullcrap, to both lessen the impact on the ecosystem and to develop ways to survive that are economically feasible.
We are, you're just in denial. Eventually you'll move onto the next stage, don't worry.

[Anonymous No.10177742]

>>10176697
How much did you hear about any of those things during either the 2016 election or the midterms? Because all I heard from Democrats was orange man bad because he's racist/sexist/transphobic.

How about arguing for things that will grow our economy AND help fight global warming? Argue for expanding nuclear power; building plants and mining for uranium will employ a lot of people. Argue for decreased immigration; less immigrants means higher wages for farm workers. Higher wages for farm workers means less people eating shit that's horrible for the environment like avocados.

You guys need to learn to frame your arguments in ways that are appealing to conservatives.

[Anonymous No.10177773]

By reminding them that unbiased observation is more important than emotionally charged, fear mongering propaganda.

>Fears that CO2 increases can deleteriously impact temperatures should be scuttled as well. CO2 can only absorb a narrow wave length of the radiation returning to the atmosphere from the Earth, which initially absorbs it from the Sun. That wavelength is 15 microns or millionths of a meter. It is a fact that the atmosphere’s 410 parts per million of CO2 today has already absorbed essentially all of that heat’s wavelength the Earth has to give. Therefore, further additions of carbon dioxide can have no measurable impact on the Earth’s temperature or greenhouse effect.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/31/the-carbon-hoax/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxHfb66ZgM

http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/scientists-refute-manmade-global-warming/

[Anonymous No.10177783]

>>10177742
>Higher wages for farm workers means less people eating shit that's horrible for the environment
Fair poi-
>like avocados
Next level memery, my friend. Expertly blending truth with utter (bovine)shit, well done.

[Anonymous No.10177785]

>>10177666
Dont project your nihilism onto the rest of us thanks

>>10177742
>frame your arguments so that they appeal to conservatives
Seems like conservatives only perk up if you’re extremely tribalistic and fear mongering. If both parties descend down to republican level then we are truly lost

[Anonymous No.10177800]

>>10177785

[Anonymous No.10177810]

>>10177783
Avocados take a shitload of water to grow and are grown in the most drought-prone state in the country; California. You know how fast the water table is drying up?

[Anonymous No.10177822]

>>10177785
Why do you care why they agree with you? Why does it matter what argument works on them so long as they reduce their carbon footprint? You can hate brown people and still produce less CO2.

[Anonymous No.10177862]

>>10177810
Right, plants irreversibly consume water, this is totally a plant species issue, not an issue of water infrastructure planning. Besides, everyone knows the meat industry is so efficient, that every taxpayer must subsidize it, or else our McDoubles would cost more than 20$!
God forbid the consumer would have to pay upfront for the true cost, very bad for business.

[Anonymous No.10177882]

>>10177862
Ok so why is the water table drying up so fast? It surely can't have anything to do with the insane rate at which luxury crops use it. Nope of course not.

I'd be fine with ending subsidies for meat as well.

[Anonymous No.10177898]

>>10177882
What do you think is going to happen? The old are living longer, larger percent of the young are surviving into adulthood. You aren't going to get anybody to eat bugs just like you can't get developing countries to pollute at lower levels.

>"Well anon the US got to pollute as a developing country so we should too."
>"Well anon the US got to enjoy prime beef as a developed country so we should too."

Blah blah we are all going to die and I blame the liberals. It's literally in the name liberal. Liberal spending, liberal charities, liberal government programs, liberal this, liberal that.

[Anonymous No.10177900]

>>10177882
Maybe a few megacorps are pumping more than their fair share of the water table? Maybe they can simply pay their bribe and the EPA looks the other way?

[Anonymous No.10177908]

>>10177773
*yawn*

https://www.skepticalscience.com/saturated-co2-effect.htm

[Anonymous No.10177912]

>>10174168
what's the DMT all about?
i've taken it, it's one hell of a trip, but why is it /x/ shit?

[Anonymous No.10177914]

>>10177900
They're pumping more than their fair share to grow luxury crops like avocados, walnuts, and almonds.

[Anonymous No.10177917]

>>10174168
>>10174602
>Flouride
Typical self-proclaimed "skeptics," such a refined attention to detail they possess.
Everyone knows those 'other' topics have no merit, I know so because a corporate media publication informed me so using ample amounts of ridicule in order to discourage curiosity.

[Anonymous No.10177924]

>>10177914
True, everyone knows those "luxury crops" have no real nutrient value. More meat is what everyone needs.

[Anonymous No.10177925]

>>10177898
We don't have to eat bugs. We can keep eating meat. Chicken is nowhere near as bad as beef for the environment. Further, beef can be produced more sustainably than we are now. The use of better grazing practices and feed additives that reduce methane production can drastically reduce the GHG emissions caused by cattle farming.

[Anonymous No.10177933]

>>10177914
The problem is the first world doesn't eat the whole damn animal. Which is moronic because the parts they trash are usually the ones that have the most nutrients like the liver and heart. Asians are at least good about eating everything from the balls to the brain.

The most water intensive crop is rice. Funnily enough the most water intensive crap is what vegans enjoy like pistachios, alfalfa, and the retarded micro weeds they love to eat.

[Anonymous No.10177941]

>>10174507
Start your own thread you knob

>>10175688

Actually it is our fault

[Anonymous No.10177944]

>>10175993
you do realize china was putting out freakish amounts of GHG’s and that’s how they hit their reduction target while the US is sig lower even today and its much riskier economically to hit its GHG target. Obviously they both need to reduce to near zero but using relativized measures to make the pissing contest more real for you is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10177951]

>>10177933
We don't just toss the guts in the landfill. They go to create pet food and other animal products. They don't exactly go to waste. Plenty of people do eat beef liver btw. You're right that it's certainly not everyone, but it's not exactly niche either. I live in a shitty little hick town of about 2000 people, and even my local grocery store carries liver.

[Anonymous No.10177952]

>>10177925
What I am alluding to is the free-rider problem. If one party anticipates somebody is doing their part to help solve the "problem" they are less likely to do something as well.

>>10177941
We didn't force them to have 10 kids per family. They could be Japanese tier if they didn't fuck like insects.

[Anonymous No.10177953]

>>10176484
Political speech is divisive and has no usefulness on a global science board, Amerifat

[Anonymous No.10177957]

>>10177953
>has no usefulness on a global science board
It does if you want to actually accomplish your goals. Think of it as social engineering.

[Anonymous No.10177960]

>>10177822
>hurr libruls cause denial cuz they won't pander
>but it doesn't matter if we agree
Then what are you complaining about moron?

[Anonymous No.10177961]

>>10176131
>airplane mode
Nope, that's almost useless, it still transmits just less frequently. You want a silver thread woven pouch to block most of the signal.
Either halogen or incan, other tech's spectrums are terrible for you, however efficient they may be.

[Anonymous No.10177964]

>>10177951
Well I live in the city and mine doesn't which tells you more about the average consumption of heavily populated urban areas. I got 50 brands of fruit yogurt but no intestine, liver, or heart.

To put it mildly, a little hick town of 2000 is not the problem.

[Anonymous No.10177965]

>>10177952
This is why commidifying carbon with credit trading is essential.

Polluters must pay cost externalities

[Anonymous No.10177967]

>>10177917
See >>10174168

[Anonymous No.10177969]

>>10177957

Do it somewhere else, faggot

[Anonymous No.10177970]

>>10177626
it is already in motion and we haven’t even seen the effects of 20th century warming yet. If you killed the whole 3rd world today there would still be a global catastrophe and sea levels rising. the difference is that you could survive it and if you stopped emitting GHG’s at that point warming would eventually halt, though it wouldn’t reverse for hundreds if not thousands of years. You simply cannot continue to persist this way unless you reduced europe and america to much lower levels of population density.

[Anonymous No.10177972]

>>10177964
That's interesting. Do any stores near you carry liver?

[Anonymous No.10177975]

>>10177965
That would still require global level of trust which we don't have. You just maximized the free-rider problem to the global scale.

[Anonymous No.10177979]

>>10177969
>he thinks this wasn't always a political thread

[Anonymous No.10177981]

It's hilarious how last week, and the weeks before when a polar vortex caused low temperatures across the central, southern and eastern US, all the climate change deniers came out of the woodwork to say "SO MUCH FOR GLOBAL WARMING!" like they do every single year when the same thing happens.

Now, temperatures have returned to normal November temperatures for the eastern / SE US and no one bats an eye. Right now it's 80F where I live in SE Louisiana, which is above average for this time of year, but again, it's because of warm air from the gulf, just like the record cold temperatures are from chilly arctic air inundating North America because of the polar vortex, caused by a weakening of the jet stream, which in turn is a product of climate change due to higher than average arctic temperatures.

If it got extremely cold like it did last week and it had nothing to do with the jet stream / polar vortex, and STAYED cold for months, and kept happening for years, decades, etc. and at the same time we saw a reduction in summer / spring global average temps, THEN maybe you could make an argument, but that won't happen with what we know about global warming now.

Why is it that climate change deniers can't seem to grasp the simple fact that global average temps will continue to rise? At the same time, for most of the world, it's another above average temperature fall / winter so far. Everyone is so focused on the US as if it's a barometer for the climate of the entire Earth, you have to look at the entire world, temperature data from everywhere in order to understand the Earth's climate. Right now it's summer in the southern hemisphere and we are seeing once again record breaking temperatures in parts of Australia and South America.

pic related shows conclusions from October 2018's temperature data for around the world. As you can see, the southern hemisphere is still seeing above average temperatures, and Europe had the third highest October temperature on record.

[Anonymous No.10177982]

>>10177967
Hey thanks for linking me to that post I quoted, I would have missed it otherwise.

[Anonymous No.10177988]

>>10177972
Ethnic stores and actual butcheries which are far and scarce. They are not convenient enough for the average shopper and not advertised enough. Plus people are less likely to buy something they have never tasted. Everybody I know sticks to what they can order at your average restaurant. Steak, chicken, bacon, etc.

[Anonymous No.10178028]

>>10177924
https://veganbiologist.com/2016/01/04/humans-are-not-herbivores/

[Anonymous No.10178033]

>>10177982
See >>10177967

[Anonymous No.10178058]

>>10177975
It's time to try ideas, inaction is truly stupid.

Carbon credits are a designed system, there is no reason to believe it wouldn't work. Maybe you don't believe in energy metering? Accounting? Economics?

If you don't think it can be done, you're just ignorant. Get out of the way and let engineers get to work while you doubt everything

[Anonymous No.10178065]

>>10177650
>That is exactly [why] consuming less power [wouldn't] do.
holy fuck... the mental gynmastics required to convince yourself of this complete and utter nonsense is quite impressive.

[Anonymous No.10178069]

>>10178058
>Carbon credits are a designed system, there is no reason to believe it wouldn't work
You don't seriously believe that do you?

[Anonymous No.10178070]

>>10177676
You're that same delusional fuckwit who thinks we can fight climate change while expanding oil production as long as we carbon tax the shit out of everything.

[Anonymous No.10178074]

>>10178058
You think putting a meter in Iran is going to reflect the reality of the situation or is it going to reflect whatever Iran's leadership wants it reflect? Take your naivety and shove it up your ass. China devalues it's currency right in our faces for decades and have received zero punishment. You really think this situation would be any different? lmfao

[Anonymous No.10178082]

>>10178069
They do "believe" it. They're devotees to the toxic cancerous ideology of technofuturism and economics.

Convincing them that they're putting the final nails in the coffin of the human race is about as easy as teaching a monkey to do arithmetic. Or more accurately, of teaching evangelicals that jesus didn't have super powers.

[Anonymous No.10178676]

>>10178070
How exactly would oil production expand? The entire point of an optimal carbon tax is that it maximizes savings from reduced emmissions. If emissions would not be reduced by taxes then they would be infinitely taxed.

[Anonymous No.10178892]

>>10177315
We haven't passed it yet. According to that recent IPCC report, we have 12 years until we do. Problem with that is, China now produces about a third of CO2 emissions and is projected to continue to increase until 2030.

[Anonymous No.10178908]

>>10178676
You're that same delusional fuckwit who thinks we can fight climate change while expanding oil production as long as we carbon tax the shit out of everything.

[Anonymous No.10178914]

>>10177647
>that doesn't get reduced to "pay more taxes, gib moneys?"
Fee and dividend is only "gib moneys" for the rich and/or extravagant. Most people would make money off it if the dividend part is done correctly.

[Anonymous No.10178915]

>>10178908
No answer, what a surprise.

[Anonymous No.10178924]

>>10178676
>How exactly would oil production expand?
I don't know maybe you should tell me, because it seems to be doing exactly that.
Maybe its something to do with politicians who say shit like this getting voted in by idiots like you:
>There is no country on the planet that can walk away from the challenge and reality of climate change
>Many in this room believe that a price on carbon is good for the environment, for the economy and for Alberta's oil and gas sector
>[We need] to show the world that it is serious about addressing carbon emissions and reducing them
>No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and leave them there

[Anonymous No.10178926]

>>10178924
>strawman someone
>they play along and let you explain it
>just try to insult them instead
I like your style.

[Anonymous No.10178941]

>>10178926
>I like your style
lol no the only thing you like infinite economic/population growth.

[Anonymous No.10178950]

>>10178926
>I like your style
no the only thing you like is infinite economic/population growth. thats what gets you off lol

[Anonymous No.10178964]

>>10178676
>How exactly would oil production expand?
I don't know maybe you should tell me, because it seems to be doing exactly that.
Maybe its something to do with politicians who say shit like this getting voted in by idiots like you:
>There is no country on the planet that can walk away from the challenge and reality of climate change
>Many in this room believe that a price on carbon is good for the environment, for the economy and for [the] oil and gas sector
>[We need] to show the world that it is serious about addressing carbon emissions and reducing them
>No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and leave them there

[Anonymous No.10178967]

>>10178924
>I don't know maybe you should tell me, because it seems to be doing exactly that.
We don't have a carbon tax, let alone an optimal one. Do you have an actual point or do you just have a tantrum every time someone mentions a carbon tax?

[Anonymous No.10178974]

>>10178967
>we dont have a carbon tax
ya and neither do any of the foreign markets you and your pals who want a "pipeline to tidewater" to sell oil to.

look anyone who's done their homework can see that you people are either total con artists or literally delusional from slurping up your own coolaid.

[Anonymous No.10178990]

>>10174046
>Psychologists
>Man made climate change is Real
Pure cringe to take climate science or psychologists seriously.
Also, retard the, so called scientific consensus statistics in your pic related--and I'm talking the ones that go beyond that meme field which obviously is going to shill for itself---includes undergrad we-wuz-STEM MARCH FOR SCIENCE-tier "scientists", who actually aren't scientists, just idiots who think they are.

[Anonymous No.10178992]

>>10178974
No idea what you're talking about. Are you done with your tantrum yet?

[Anonymous No.10178993]

>>10178974
>ya and neither do any of the foreign markets
Anon.. there are lots of nations with implemented carbon taxes.

[Anonymous No.10178999]

>>10178992
>>10178993
your people are fucking creepy af
you're so confident of yourselves and your virtue while you stuff yourselves

>The best lack all conviction, while the worst
>Are full of passionate intensity.
>

[Anonymous No.10179008]

>>10178999
Anon, you're a fucking idiot who lives in a fantasy world. You can't just fucking ignore facts like this. You're no better than the retards believing in 9000 genders.

[Anonymous No.10179033]

>>10178990
>Also, retard the, so called scientific consensus statistics in your pic related--and I'm talking the ones that go beyond that meme field which obviously is going to shill for itself---includes undergrad we-wuz-STEM MARCH FOR SCIENCE-tier "scientists", who actually aren't scientists, just idiots who think they are.
Oreskes 2004 - survey of peer reviewed published research on climate change

Doran 2009 - survey of actively publishing climatologists

Anderegg 2010 - survey of actively publishing climate researchers

Cook 2013 - survey of peer reviewed published climate research

Verheggen 2014 - survey of scientists with more than 10 climate-related peer-reviewed publications

Steakhouse 2014 - survey of American Meteriological Society climate scientists who actively publish

Carlton 2015 - survey of actively publishing climate scientists

None of these include undergrads. Why are you lying?

[Anonymous No.10179036]

>>10178999
>wah wah waaaaaah
Shhh little baby don't say a word.

http://news.mit.edu/2018/carbon-taxes-could-make-significant-dent-climate-change-0406

[Anonymous No.10179084]

>>10179033
>--and I'm talking the ones that go beyond that meme field which obviously is going to shill for itself---
NO READING COMPREHENSION ABILITY.

[Anonymous No.10179111]

>>10179084
...which is none of them. So you lied. Why?

[Anonymous No.10179133]

>>10176490
Actually, for republicans, the more "educated" you are, the more likely you'll be a climate change denialist. It's part of the tribe mythos, just another talking point in their faith.

[Anonymous No.10179266]

>>10178065
Take India, for example. They're developing, which means they're becoming ever slightly more wealthy, which means their health and quality of life is increasing.
They have more money, so they can buy more food.

What is simultaneous with this development? Expansion in power generation. Unfortunately, they overwhelmingly use coal, which obviously contributes to climate change.

There's two things you can do:
1) Change coal to something else
B) Just flat out refuse to let them use more electricity

Not letting them use more means they have less light to read and educate themselves, less to communicate, less to engage in industry etc.
Since it doesn't do anything to quench their taste for fucking, babies will still keep being born, but they will not be fed. We have the capacity to feed everyone, they simply cannot afford to buy the food.
Suffering. Because of you.

[Anonymous No.10179328]

>>10177571
>What's so fucking hard?
Not wanting to live in a dictatorship would be the first issue for a western person used to a high degree of personal liberty.