/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9996215
Ids habedin bros

>>9996215

>>9996215
Why the fuck aren't we using Thorium reactors yet? They don't have the capability to meltdown like Uranium does

>>9996291
They are also cheaper, more effective and there are more thorium than uranium on Earth.
So yeah, obviously not going to use that any time soon.

>>9996215
You forgot to finish your sentence, let me help you.
Nuclear power is safe.

>>9996291
You seem to be the person that put in the time researching the topic. :^) You tell us! Why thorium is never used?

>>9996291
Thorium reactors don't produce military grade nuclear materials
and nuclear power is only cost effective when subsidized by the government

>>9996312
Good question, I have no idea. Thorium has to be constantly fed Plutonium in order to keep the reaction going, while enriched Uranium isotopes are good to run on their own for years. Simply move the thorium away from the plutonium and the reaction stops. There is no runaway scenario. Thorium is also more abundant, yields less materials that can be used for nuclear weapons, and less radioactive waste in general.

>>9996215
I'll bet you $1000 that none of those nuclear powerplants will meltdown due to hurricane florence

>>9996427
You're betting something more like $100,000,000,000

>>9996215
>flooding threatens cooling operations
If they didn't learn from Fukushima to keep the cooling pumps and machinery well above ground level they only have themselves to blame seven fucking years later.

>>9996443
I'd be willing to, if I had the money

>>9996546
It had been known for a decade or something that a plausible bad event would fuck the Fukushima plant and nothing was done. That isn't the case for these, and the notion that they should speculatively rebuild the infrastructure following Fukushima is absurd.

>>9996215
Whoever wrote this is a moron who knows nothing of weather or what caused the Fukushima disaster

>>9996679
>and the notion that they should speculatively rebuild the infrastructure following Fukushima is absurd.
No, it's not.
Fukushima highlighted the problem of securing the radioactive material in the event of the consequences of a natural disaster and it is the responsibility of other operators to learn from this shit.
Not learning from mistakes is a problem.

>>9996305
>cheaper
lol, they haven't even been built yet. The thorium fuel cycle exists on paper but actually doing it would take a ton of expensive R&D

>>9996215
>nothing has happened yet

>>9996215
>>https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-09-11-fukushima-twelve-nuclear-power-plants-in-the-path-of-hurricane-florence.html


"Built on the General Electric “Type 4” power plant design, which is almost identical to the GE nuclear power plant design used in the Fukushima-Daiichi reactors in Japan. "

"The concern among observers today is that the Brunswick Steam Electric Plant sits at a very low elevation in Southport, NC, just a few feet above sea level."


Sounds really promising. Chernobyl, Fukushima, Brunswick?

>>9996698
Good news is that if there is an American fukushima we can finally impeach drumpf

>>9996694
"Speculative" is the important word there, anon. It was decently likely that a specific event would cause a problem for the fukushima plant as designed but far less likely for these plants, so much so that they probably didn't even bother assessing it.

>>9996705
It was speculative that an earthquake and tsunami of that scale would affect the Fukushima plant within anyone's lifetime.

>>9996215
>he fell for /sci/'s nuclear energy meme

>>9996215
You... You fucking idiots built the reactors next to the SEA!?

AFTER ALL THE SHIT YOU GAVE JAPAN!?!

How could the home of The Wright Brothers go so wrong...

>>9996215
No. This is not comparable. In Japan the problem was that Fukushima was built too close to the ocean to save on the cost of pumping water uphill. The American engineers who started working on Fukushima quit in protest when they discovered that the company refused their demand to move the plant further inland in an area prone to Earthquakes and tsunami.

Fukushima was not a natural disaster. Fukushima was a man made disaster.

Lel

>>9997035
Those American engineers were stupid.
They could have been more like the engineer at the Onagawa plant that was much closer to the epicenter of the quake and still on the coast but because he pushed for higher tsunami walls and cooling intakes further out to sea the plant weathered the disaster and was even an evacuation shelter for residents in the area.

Yeah, Fukushima was a manmade disaster, but it could have been prevented in other ways than just moving than building the plant further inland. Direct sea access allows for more benefits than just ease of cooling.

>>9996215
>Naturalnews

>>9997035
>You didn't even look at the map and notice 2 reactors on the coast.
>DIRECTLY BESIDE THE SEA.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>9997035
in france, multiple nuclear reactors are built directly on fault lines

>>9996215
>naturalnews

>>9997379
HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE FUCKING MAD!?

>>9996215
OH NO NOI NO NO NI

>>9996291
Because it corrodes the reactor like a motherfucker and the material science to counteract that so you don't have to throw out your entire reactor after a few years isn't in yet.

>>9996215
>propaganda against the safest and cleanest energy humanity can produce

>>9997604
is that Earth-chan getting chemotherapy/radiation therapy to treat her cancer/humans infestation she has?

how poignant

>>9996697
A single day has passed.

If these reactors all melt down and wipe out mankind, i'll personally blow each and every one of you in the afterlife

if not, you all have to blow me instead

>>9996322
>nuclear power is only cost effective when subsidized by the government
false, just high up-front cost

>>9997379
To be fair, France isn't much of a hot spot for natural disaster.

>>9997622
If every reactor on Earth underwent a Chernobyl, mankind wouldn't even be close to being wiped out. Think before you speak, please.

>>9997677
A lot of that high up-front cost is because of oil and coal lobbies setting up the laws such that they need to flush a lot of money down the drain on pointless things that are labeled as being for the sake of safety to trick dumbass voters and get ignorant environmentalists on their side.

>>9996322
Energy production is only cost effective when subsidized by the government, just like education, healthcare, and social insurance. Thorium reactors still produce hot material which is still dangerous from a security perspective because of dirty bombs. Read a book so you dont look retarded in the future.

>>9996694
Fukushima highlighted that perople are fucking retarded. It was designed to handle the surge, their protocol wasnt implemented correctly. You have no idea what even happened but feel qualified to form an opinion.

>>9996215
>https://www.foronuclear.org/en/ask-the-expert/120060-how-do-nuclear-power-plants-withstand-hurricanes-
Nuclear power is safe, don't worry better minds are assigned to this task.

>>9997371
Sorry for the late response.

I don't need to. I'm a geologist and know full well that there are no active faults on America's east coast. It is a passive continental zone.

>>9996215
>naturalnews.com

into the trash it goes

>>9997704
you're not wrong

>>9996215
>"NOTHING HAS HAPPENED, HERE'S WHY THAT SHOULD CONCERN YOU"
Really makes methinks

if you don't know anything - all of (You) who posted - why bother speaking?

Nuclear is our best green energy right now, and it can be 100% safe. Stop accepting meme'ing clickbait trash as news, or as something worth sharing with your fellow mongs

>>9996215
>naturalnews

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>>9997394
Only intelligent comments in this thread. sage

>>9996215
>hey we would really like to upgrade these old gen reactors that were built in the 60's and 70's to the nearly accident proof modern desi-----
>REEEEEEE NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION YOU ARE KILLING THE PLANET WIND AND SOLAR ARE THE ONLY WAY REEEEEEEEEE
>But these new plants are orders of magnitudes more safe than the current gener------
>REEEEEEEEEE THEY DUMP RADIOACTIVE SMOKE OUT THE TOP 24/7
>but mam' that is actually steam which is completely isolated from the rea-----
>ITS LIKE LITERALLY A NUCLEAR BOMB JUST SITTING THERE WAITING TO KILL MILLIONS OF CHILDREN
>okay fine mam we will keep the existing infrastructure even though we know there are weaknesses
>*natural disaster destroys nuclear plant through said weakness*
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SEEEEE NUCLEAR POWER IS THE FUCKING DEVIL
>but mam' we said this was going to happen if we didn't update our infrastructure and you wouldn't give us funding to do so
>THIS IS YOUR FAULT. ALL MONEY IS NOW GOING INTO SOLAR ENERGY AND GETTING EVERYONE IN THE STATE OF CA A PRIUS
This is unironically what happens

fukishima doesn't matter because CHERNOBAL

>>9998491
too true

>>9998491
I fucking hate solar and wind cucks. Nuclear is our best option right now but instead we dump it in shit that basically lets oil and coal laugh to the bank because nobody can touch them.

I wish i could choose what energy my taxes go into. Fucking imagine that world.

>>9996215
The fact that anyone responded to this thread other than to point out what the source is and have a giggle is sad.

>>9996215
I had a look at the numbers. Brunswick power station is 20 feet above sea level. Whether forecast says storm surge might raise sea level up to 14 feet in this area. If this is right there are still 6 feet left. But they also say there could be up to 3 feet of rain (per day) in the Carolinas. And latest predictions say that storm could slow down and stay there for more then a day.
Even if the plant will not blow up, this storm is devastating.

>>9996215
Just like turn it off before it gets dangerous, man.

>>9996215
>In the land of the Left, freedom of speech is no longer. Left-wing censorship is expanding at an incredibly disturbing pace, with conservative pundits being wiped from social media spaces across the internet. Pinterest has joined the likes of Facebook, Google and Twitter by waging war against independent thought — and declaring that anyone who espouses criticisms of the vaccine industry is actually promoting self-harm.
>Vaccines have injured thousands of children — and the parents of these children often turn to social media to share their stories as a way of cautioning other parents and to spread awareness. Now, Pinterest and other social media networks are trying to silence them. By taking away their freedom of speech and ousting concerned parents from their platforms, Big Pharma’s puppets can continue to push their narrative for total vaccine tyranny unchallenged. Erasing posts sharing the realities of vaccine injuries serves the ludicrous notion that vaccines are “100-percent safe.’ The echo chamber is real — and it is getting bigger. Under the left-wing’s reign, free speech on the internet is disappearing.

>>9996215
So how's the nuclear apocalypse going?

even FOX News is worried
"Wave heights to 83 ft were measured early this morning under the NE quadrant of Hurricane Florence. These enormous waves are produced by being trapped along with very strong winds moving in the same direction the storm's motion."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/12/hurricane-florence-storm-lifetime-generating-83-feet-high-waves-as-it-barrels-towards-carolina-coast.html

kek

>>9999006
this pretty much

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2018/09/14/0600Z/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-54.55,37.01,750/loc=-76.995,35.023

62 km/h
it's fucking nothing
learn to weather prediction next time

Still waiting for a single mishap, how's the panic going?

Oh god

>>9999006
>turning off a nuclear plant

9999999..... = 10000000

>>9996215
Anthropogenic climate change is a scientific fact.

>>9999999

BASED

>>9999999
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>>9999999
its official

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>>10000000
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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So uh, you know, put me in the screencap.

>>10000000

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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9996695
In correct. We have already built a thorium reactor in the 1970s. It was reasonably success however the funding was cut as it didn't have the advantage of making weapons grade nuclear material as a "by product". In reality most of the first nuclear plants where only used to produces nuclear bombs. For example the uk's first nuclear power plant Calder Hall never really produced any power. It took more from the grid that it actually produced.

>>9999999
Mathematicians are afraid of this guy

>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9997704
> pointless things that are labeled as being for the sake of safety
Like an 'off' switch

NUCLEAR ENERGY IS THE FUTURE

>>9999999
checked, and wow

>>9999999
Witnessed

>>9999999
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>>9999999
What a genius!

>>9999999
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music for this

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>>10000163
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>>9999999
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>>9996322
>nuclear power is only cost effective when subsidized by the government
No. Nuclear power is so expensive because of governmental red tape.

>>9999999
WITNESSED

>>9999999
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>>9999999
not this shit again

>>9999999
Well played, anon, well played.

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>>9999999
clever girl

>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
amazing

>>9999999
We're reaching based levels that shouldn't even be possible

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>>9999999
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>>9999999
but how??

>>9999999
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>>9999999
epic

>>9999999
>not anime
dropped

>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>10000025
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999999
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>>9999563

the one hitting the Philippines is a beast:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-239.50,18.47,2471/loc=122.503,18.011

>>10002216

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Pacific_typhoon_season#Typhoon_Mangkhut_(Ompong)

>>9996291
it really is not nearly as good as that one infographic that was going around makes it out to be
t. masters in nuclear engineering