/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9999096
No.

>>9999096
Yes.

>>9999110
How can you be so sure?

>>9999111
How can YOU be so sure?

>>9999096
>Is climate change really just a chinese hoax?
it's unclear whether it's a chinese hoax, but there is an absence of evidence that climate change is occurring

>>9999308
>there is an absence of evidence that climate change is occurring
You can't just do that. Going around making unsubstantiated claims on the Internet.

>>9999099
>>9999110
Maybe

>>9999096
It may not be a chinese hoax, but it is being primarily caused by China and India.

>>9999575
They are also very very heavily investing in renewables and nuclear tech, moreso then the USA

>>9999596
Lot of good that's doing them.

>>9999096
Anthropogenic climate change is depressingly real and a dire threat in the long term.
>>9999308
There is plenty of evidence that it's occurring. Start with the instrumental record. Pic related.
>>9999575
America creates more emissions than India. China has about twice the emissions of America, with four times the population. Developed and "mostly developed" nations in general causes the vast majority of greenhouse gas pollution.

Yep.

Adding billions of tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere every year has zero effect on the atmosphere at all.

>>9999096
>government science
>government solution
Really jogs the nog.

>>9999309
>government statistics
Derp

>>9999609
Name one successful libertarian/anarchist country. I'll wait.

>>9999096
No it's not. It's really real but you don't have to care so you don't. Tragedy of the Commons. I, for one, don't care that you don't care.

>>9999609
>government science
nope

>>9999611
Libertarianism/Authoritarianism are not possible attributes to countries that allow expatriation.

Countries are collectively owned by their populations.

Saying "USA is not libertarian" is like saying "Walmart is not libertarian."

Countries can be private property.
>muh Spooner
Just because countries are owned differently than corporations does not mean they're not property.

>>9999609
What solutions are there other than political ones? The free market won't fix it without the will or incentivization to do so.

>>9999620
>a solution must be possible
Babby's first day in the real world?

Climate Change is equivalent to sacrificing a goat to Poseidon so you have rain for crops amen he doesn’t destroy your home with a storm. The only people who haven’t come to grips with modern “science” being a religion are greatly misguided.

>>9999631
b-b-but there's a chance it will work, right!?!?

>>9999644
Hmm, let me see. First, you need to raise taxes on consumer goods, transportation, natural resource collection, and a child tax because reproducing is bad for you. After that, we will enter our data that we collected that you cannot see into our prediction equation with an unspecified number of predictors and based on the answer we received we tell you what kind of car you need and how much more we need to raise taxes in order for the world to not become uninhabitable.

>>9999652
>all this info
Easy there, bucko. All I need to know is that daddy- er, I mean government, says it's worth it.

>>9999644
Also, we may go ahead and make it illegal for you to deny our work. Also, we told a ton of our “scientists” to promote jail time for all deniers.

>>9999654
Yes, if you are willing to commit suicide for climate change we may or may not able to guarantee a 1 degree drop in the earths temperature in the next 25 years

>>9999624
I want a solution to be possible. I'm not naive about the reality of it.

>>9999656
>commitment and sacrifice are needed
Muscle is all that's needed to accomplish any task. Let's get this rolling.

>>9999662
>life requires death
This is obvious. But let me guess, you're a conservatard who believes MUH GOD will save us?
I really don't feel safe with 'people' like you around.

>>9999663
>I want a solution to be possible
Wanting something does not make it possible.

When is the last time government science found a problem that government action solved.
>government said it fixed this problem
It's called propaganda.

>>9999667
I’m conservative but I’m not religious. If climate change is caused by humans then it can most likely be fixed by humans just as easily. Not sure if that saltsprayer thing is a meme or not but that’s an option

>>9999670
Jesus Christ, you can stop lecturing me about how desiring a solution is not the same thing as achieving one you fucking boomer.

>>9999680
>please let me believe it will be OK
Go back to sleep babby.

>>9999685
What's the point of your snide mockery? Projecting your infinite wisdom and mischaracterizations onto any discussion about something you probably don't even believe exists? Fuck off faggot.

>>9999096
>chinese hoax
you're half right

>>9999673
Yeah it can be fixed by humans not emmitting so much greenhouse gases.

>>9999309
It really was over the top how much it rained this year. August was just as bad as July and September isn't any better. Ruined the entire summer. There's no end in site

>>9999697
>>9999697
But let me guess, you’re a libtard who doesn’t believe in god, so you think that MUH GOVERNMENT will save us?

>>9999362
He just did, so obviously he is able to

>>9999726
Education is more important at this stage. Which means crushing denialtards under the boot of reason and evidence.

>>9999733
>Education is more important at this stage. Which means crushing denialtards under the boot of reason and evidence.
This. We must force them to cooperate.

>>9999738
Nice try, faggot. If you educate people about the truth and the magnitude of the problem, they will usually find the will to make changes themselves. Market solutions are already close to pushing coal out of profitability, and solar and wind into profitability.

>>9999747
>trust the purveyors of the Salem Witch Trials
>to calmly and rationally navigate the unknown
Really makes you think.

>>9999752
What does that even mean? Is it just rote pessimism about humanity? Defeatism is the same thing as maintaining the status quo.

>>9999760
>There is nothing to fear except fear itself

>>9999600
kek

>>9999769
your cryptic musings are worthless, not profound

>>9999747
>educate people about the truth

This would sound fucking great if this was anything other than climate change argument. Climate change is modern Plato’s cave allegory. All data is produced by the “scientists”, all data is collected by the “scientists”, all analysis are created by the “scientists”, and all solutions are created by the “scientists”.

>>9999774
>shitting on scientists on /sci/
shiggy diggy

>>9999787
>government bureaucrats are now scientists

Just like the scientists who told us fats were bad and high fructose corn syrup is good

>>9999793
I thought you were talking about scientists, not government bureaucrats. Government bureaucrats just took what the scientists said and made a report out of it, with the scientists' endorsements and approval.

>>9999793
>Life is imperfect
You can either cry about it, or realise that life is not fair, but that common action will make us victorious.

>>9999099
>>9999110

>>9999802
>commie larper
>>9999800
you’re not getting what I’m saying here. The quickest and most accepted way for the government to raise taxes, influence the lives of its citizens, and take advantage of the entire economy is by promising all of its citizens that the world is going to end it they don’t make sacrifices. The scientists who come up with the equations and predictors for the Paris climate accord do not have open source data, they don’t share their equations, their research, or even how they conducted their research. You literally just have to take their word for it. Until I am personally able to access the data that the government uses to predict climate change and run the experiments myself, I will not believe it.

>>9999362

>>9999812
>doomsday
The reality is closer to doomsday within a millennium than it is "nothing's happening, la la la I can't hear you." But that requires a lot of education and knowledge to understand why the total threat of all the different environmental factors is so severe.
>The scientists who come up with the equations and predictors for the Paris climate accord do not have open source data,
Yes they do. You can download raw temperature measurements right now if you Google it.
>they don’t share their equations, their research, or even how they conducted their research.
Yes they do. Maybe read their papers to find out.
>You literally just have to take their word for it.
If you're scientifically illiterate then yes, because you aren't capable of critically evaluating it in that case.
>Until I am personally able to access the data that the government uses to predict climate change and run the experiments myself, I will not believe it.
Even if you weren't wrong about access to data and methodology, concluding something is false because you can't access resources to find out about it is a logical fallacy.

>not knowing about the Weather Cold War

DARPA
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Climate change is a byproduct of human advancement and only raises the incentive to spread humanity beyond this planet, so it is arguably a good thing

We should not use it as a reason to limit our progress as a species towards leaving Earth and spreading

>>9999774
how does one accurately study climate change without being added to this pool of "scientists"?

>and all solutions are created by the “scientists”.
that's not true

>>9999696
climate change is chinese?

from my measurements it does appear as if the solar system as a whole is warming. As if the Suns orbit is in a zone with higher zero point energy and channeling more photons now.

>4 tropical storms/hurricanes simultaneously
>possibly 5th appearing in next 48 hours

I wanna say this is a record, but it's becoming the new norm.

>>10000515

>>9999575
That's also wrong.

>>9999624
I assume you have done all the research to determine a solution isn't possible?

>>9999829
I've never been a fan of fiction.

>>9999610
found the basement-dwelling Internet troll

>>9999620
The mythical free market won't fix anything,
because it doesn't exist, fgt pls

>>9999663
>I'm not naive
>I'm not, I'm not, I'm not
Yes, you are.

>>10002218
I agree. People are generally opposed to many regulations because "muh market." I have less qualms with regulations than them, but the most agreeable and politically likely policy line to tackle GHG emissions lies somewhere between the two extremes of laissez faire and radical environmentalism.
>>10002219
Your baseless assertions are useless and tiresome, contributing nothing of value at all to the conversation. You would think if you were so sure you were the adult and your opponents must be children, that you would say something useful or insightful instead of continuing with the cheap insults.

>>9999610
>trying with such shit b8

>>9999096
Exxon Mobil shills actually admitted to climate change being real a few years back, so.....

>>9999096
>>10002812
And I forgot that this was sarcastic. I am such an idiot.

>>9999096
(((chinese hoax)))

Daily reminder that whether you conclude anthropogenic climate change to be real is ENTIRELY dependent on how you present the data.

>>10002844
no it isn't

>>9999096
>Is climate change really just a chinese hoax?
No, the climate has been changing since Earth was a hot ball of lava and gas.

>Are humans to blame for this one?
Yes and no. We as a species are influencing the climate in many ways. (ie; altering atmospheric composition, depleting ground water, creating area covered in concrete, impeding wind currents near the surface, changing lakes/rivers, removing dense flora etc.) However, the climate would still change otherwise, just not in the same exact way.

In the end, it's better to be safe than sorry. Because the climate of an area is not something that can be fixed for a couple dollars over night.

Climate change is real and deniers' blatant lies should make them all eligible for the death penalty as far as I care.

>>9999999

>>9999096
it could be. the question is: are we willing to take the chance and get duped?

>>10002661
>Your baseless assertions are useless and tiresome
...whereas your own baseless assertions are useful and interesting?
L0Lno fgt pls

>>10006729
but I haven't made any baseless assertions

My political preferences and hypothetical solutions for global warming are informed enough to avoid the charge of naivete, and claiming otherwise is just, like, your opinion, man. It's a pretty useless thing to assert in the first place when you could address specific points instead.