/sci/ - Science & Math

Does this mean we should get blowjobs from teachers?

1. Regularity of Reward: Extremely important is consistency. Expecting a reward and not receiving it is extremely bad for the brain programming system.

- "You are expected to do ____ good so no reward" : From what we know from Reinforcement learning this is literally destroying their motivational system in the brain.

Basically if we create reward systems, the expected reward for the effort is CRUCIAL to the system working. Meaning any reward system in an educational system must be extremely consistent and rewarding for proper behavior. This will create the best possible incentive inside the brain.

2. We need to get rid of the myth of "Reasoning". The reward system is what controls behavior and motivates learning. By not properly optimizing for reward systems, aka trying to consistently reward the student with dopamine hits, we are not using the most important learning system in the brain.

Literally, just incorporating the basics of reinforcement learning and what we know about reward systems would massively improve education systems overnight to an insane degree.

Spreading this knowledge to parents. AKA basic knowledge of reinforcement learning, expectation vs reward, would MASSIVELY improve how parents program their children via reward systems to behave better.

>>9992972
If you don't care about society's retardation somewhat yes. In idealized circumstances you would want to reward good academic behavior with sexual satisfaction. Assuming you make sure the two are intricately linked as effort/rewards.

>>9992957
Reinforcement learning is outdated, that paper is shit and overcomplicated. And you could have said this whole post without mentioning dopamine you posing fool.

I have said it once and I will say it again
>Take away women's rights
>Force the prettiest girls to have sex with only the class topper.

Do that and you will get the most fierce academic competition in history that will result in 5-year-old kids reinventing vector calculus on the spot to be able to more efficiently solve their physics problems.

>>9992957
1st paragraph: reasonable, it makes sense that if we do something well (i.e. we get dopamine for it) we "learn" since we will follow that feeling

2nd paragraph: completely derailed, giving a reward for achieving a certain goal has nothing to do with learning, I can copy on all tests and get the reward anyway and learn nothing.

My take on it is that the optimal way of doing it is showing students how rational thinking and eagerness to learn can improve their lives, that's just something very complicated to do and not exactly clear that is the optimal path

>>9993341
not really, we have existing dopamine addiction systems to pull from

facebook
twitter
instagram
world of warcraft
mobile games

etc

It's a complete meme but it works. Lootbox education.

>>9993316
maybe if kids do well on their homework they get a little play on the teachers babylons. then if they do good in tests they get a blowy.

>>9993306
kek, wasting time making the post look nice, nope.

>>9992957
TL;DR

>>9993471
Its a valid point. Dopamine doesn't need to be in this post, that paper means nothing to this post and OP has an archaic view of it anyways.

>>9993605
Not really, only point is we need to put in consistent and regular rewards into the educational system.

That's the gist. Rest is just commentary to explain the concept to fucktards since you fucking idiots can't grasp simple shit and deduce on your own what this would look like.

Meaning consistent and regular responses from the education system that give reward highs, aka dopamine spikes in humans. This could be done with literal rewards such as money, pleasure in free time, or whatever. By actually integrating dopamine rewards for education you could get better results than the current system which is pretty much zero dopamine rewards at all during an average school day.

stupid fucking MONKEY

>>9993739
you just put dopamine in this to sound sciency when you could just say. "lets give rewards to kids" as opposed to your completely inaccurate use of dopamine.

>>9993763
>inaccurate use of dopamine
please explain in detail how I'm wrong

There are no dopamine hits on facebook when you see responses, likes, etc?

There are no dopamine spikes when you get complimented by an authority figure or get a prize for doing well?

There is no association with dopamine and learning?

shut up fuck

>>9992957
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>>9993997
actually there is no association with dopamine and learning.

and dopamine doesnt induce reward feelings and arent necessary for it.

and yes you dont need to say dopamine on this thread, just that maybe kids should get rewarded, but then this wd make the thread unsciency wouldnt it.

youre overgeneralizing the role of dopamine and making it out to be bigger than it is. like learning is solely about dopamine. you give no context to anything. i mean, what is the role of tonic dopamine then? why is dopamine involved in cognition or phenomena that has nothing at all to do with reward?

now gtfo scumbag.

>>9994131
https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.4173

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>>9994809
>Changing dopamine immediately altered willingness to work and reinforced preceding action choices

>>9994851
>dopamine has nothing to do with learning
motivation, willingness to focus, etc are the most important aspects of learning...

It's fucking incredibly obvious to anyone not subhuman that implementing better reward systems into education would improve it. Which is why I bring up reward systems built into other systems. These are not new concepts and are widely accepted.

Yet dumbfuck /sci/ retards with no fucking cognitive ability are posting that dopamine has nothing to do with learning.

>>9992957
i feel enlightened by this information. thanks op

>>9992981
fucking hell how primitive are you, you monkey. Where i dome from we artificially inject a small amount of meth into the brain each time an answer is correct. if its wrong though... guys gonna get cut by a butterknife.

your methods are... stinky

>>9994851


T. Brainlet

>>9995302
Dopamine has nothing to do with this thread and it doesn't mediate reward learning.

So motivation is more important than learning itself?

Go back to school brainlet. You monkey.

>>9995302
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/jneuro/23/34/10827.full.pdf

Get your facts right slimebone. Check yourself before you reeeeeeeeekkktt yourself.

>>9995433
>http://www.jneurosci.org/content/jneuro/23/34/10827.full.pdf

The paper you linked supports my arguments..

>>9995659
I would just like to add(same person)

That you seem to not know the difference between the pleasure reward mechanism and what dopamine does. This is probably why you could not understand the OP or rest of my writing. Mainly because you are so stupid you misunderstood everything you studied about pleasure/dopamine.

I wonder if it's so easy because the last problem was so hard. Perhaps my meta-learning ability is just insane now.

>>9992957
My question is can you really expect reward to improve performance of underperformers?
And is there a linear relationship between reward and behaviour? : For instance, Im sure children are flexible enough to become disinterested in certain types of reward when they're over the age of lets say - 6 years old. What about other emotions like alienation or anger or self-esteem.
Also, what does this do to self-motivated learning?
Shouldn't we teach children to socially integrate and look at learning as something to be valued in itself?
And school communities and work ethic and teamwork and things like that to be valued as things in themselves?

OP reward can be a good motivator but no way have you figured this out.

>>9995745
We have to integrate it in. It could be improved over time, but not attempting to is even worse.

You can go through a billion different examples and ways of doing it. The important thing is to add in a smart reward system. Implementation happens after you spread the importance.

>>9995745
I would also add we have sort of created a no-reward system right now. Meaning the current system is actually semi-designed to not be rewarding in any way except someone telling you it is rewarding.

>>9995751
u wot?

>>9995425

Wrong.

>>9995660
So what does dopamine do?

>>9995751
I agree.

The learning is supposed to be a reward in itself in our education systems. And while some things are just this, most of what you learn in school will never be used ever again, which in hindsight leads people to label it useless.

>>9996740
The worst part may be how school crushes the wonder of learning or reading for many, eroding the natural reward into nothing by adolescence, virtually ensuring a lifetime or brainletism.

Mate just go to school while on MDMA problem solved

>>9998146
>develops serotonin syndrome
>cant even leave the house anymore
>permanent brainlet at the age of 16

>>9994851
>>9994131
>>9993763

lol this fucking contrarian monkey. Fuck off.