/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9985393
Now, It's about being the best CS fag
>be cs fag
>end up code monkey cs fag

>be mathematician
>immediately become wizard cs fag

Because even a beginner who doesn't understand anything about the computer's inner workings could program.

>>9985404
But the code monkey ends up getting a higher salary most of the time. Hopefully it will change when every STEM study will have as much advanced cs classes as advanced math classes

>>9985409
>Because even a beginner who doesn't understand anything about the computer's inner workings could program.

your point?

so what you're saying is everyone can do cs without a cs degree, except cs degree brainlets

>>9985471
It looks like the only brainlet here is you. Don't worry about it

>>9985471
It's impressive that you completely missed the point.

>>9985557
what point? that theoretical cs is a subset of mathematics and that computers are used as a tool in applied science and by researchers? wow! mind blown dude

>>9985393
>Be CS fag
>Only know CS, probably end up maintaining an app frontend or some shit

>Be anything else
>Write custom software and invent shit

I know what I would prefer.

>>9985644
>invent shit
oh, anon.....

>>9985393
>be physicist researcher
>code simulations all day
>end up cs fag

This hits close to home, but anyway, at least I can be a code monkey if my academic carreer goes to shit, right?

I give it 5 years before cs graduates entry salaries and job opportunities start going to complete shit, companies are now starting to realize that for 99% of jobs a cs degree and a 3 week ""coding bootcamp""" are of almost equal value. in european countries with multi-tiered higher education systems there are basically trade school degrees for programming and the salaries are much lower. many companies have recently started to drop the strict cs bachelor requirement for development jobs

>>9985770
>my academic carreer goes to shit
it won't if you learn more cs stuff. Don't worry about it, it's normal in the times we live.

>>9985799
this is good. Many CS graduates are over qualified to do pajeet jobs.

>>9985415
OP isn’t saying anything meaningful, learning to use R for genetics isn’t some victory for code monkeys it just shows they’re not scientists or even real engineers. That’s all that is being implied in the post your replied to, brainlet.

brainlet dont understand pic definite integral sinx from -inf to inf does not converge it is infinite

>>9986004
oh nevermind it said sinc well i dont know anything about that anyway s

>>9985990
No. it just shows that you have to "code monkey" to do research or anything meaningful, retard. There is no other way

>>9985799
>I give it 5 years before cs graduates entry salaries and job opportunities start going to complete shit

but the job market for cs is still going up...

If I study biology but take lots of elective subjects in my course related to bioinformatics, will I be able to work as bioinformaticsfag?

>>9988401
yea, it depends on a lot of things : How much do you learn at home? How knowledgeable are you with linux? What are you analysing?

But in the end you'll probably still need a masters to be secure

>>9988401
You can be whatever you want to be. With the Internet we have endless resources at our disposal to learn from. Find an online course on whatever you are interested in and do that.

>>9985404
>wizard cs fag
elaborate. you mean wizard as virgin or wizard as in good?

If we all are gonna end up CS fags doesn't that mean the ones who majored in it will be at a disadvantage because the math, physics, and engineering majors have other insights and usefulness to them?

>>9985393
you're saying this as if you didn't know that being at least a basic level cs fag is mandatory for research in this day and age op

>>9990331
no because cs fags purely studied cs.

>>9990331
Pretty much, this is why majoring in c"s" is a meme. Anyone can self study it.

>>9990619
>Anyone can self study it.
That goes for anything if you mean actual CS. If you mean programming, what are you doing here?

>>9988201
Doesn’t matter if the graduates outpace the job growth.

>>9990742
Is that true?

>>9990731
>That goes for anything if you mean actual CS

Technically yes but the effort needed to self study CS is trivial compared to any other decent STEM field because the CS requirements are a joke, the only math you need is Calc 2 and basically no physics knowledge. Compare that to Engineering or Physics where you need to be at least proficient in Calc III, DE, Linear Algebra, Physics, etc...

Then you have the labs, you can never have enough lab experiences,compare that to CS you can do literally any project in your home since these involve just coding even if you're doing something like Compilers or OS.

Literally any Math, Physics and Engineering major can learn CS in a month.

>>9990745
Yeah, it is.

>>9990745
lmao not at all that anon is just salty

>>9990842
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>Literally any Math, Physics and Engineering major can learn CS in a month

I studied mechanical engineering for a year, I can tell you this is far ftom true

Listen, I also hate cs students but the field is very respectable, don't get influenced by the memes you hear in a vietnamese doll making forum.

>>9990842
There's a difference between freshman CS at your local uni and good CS programs. There's then a further difference between good CS programs and CS as a field. Take any advanced algorithms class in the graduate level and you'll see. I'm an EE/Physics grad, but looking at matching with forest partial order and convolutions algorithms makes my head hurt.

>>9991146
>There's a difference between freshman CS at your local uni and good CS programs.

What do you learn in a good CS program? Theory of Computation? Design and Analysis of Algorithms? Compiler Design? cause that's what I'm seeing in schools like MIT/Stanford/Berkeley/CMU and all of these are an absolute joke in comparison to even the shittiest Signals or Fluids course.

I agree with graduate school at least but my point was that majoring in undergrad CS is a meme.

>>9990323
y not both

>>9991189
>majoring in undergrad CS is a meme

Why? I actually like computer science, I wish to study computer graphics at graduate level on day. I enjoy it, it has good job opportunities and I like doing something where I get to think

>>9988401
bioinformatics grad programs usually take people who majored in either bio or CS so if you've done a lot of one and a bit of the other you'll be pretty well set up to get into one.

>>9986135
Yes, and you usually have to write, but that doesn't make you a writer.
Biofags, engayneers and such know things from their field AND how to code, code monkeys know only how to code and nothing more than that

>>9991189
>an absolute joke in comparison to even the shittiest signals or fluids course

Signals was mostly table lookups on Fourier transforms. The research in that field and the representation might be profoundly difficult (particularly where it intersects with information theory), but undergrad signals isn't hard. Fluids? I audited that with some of my mechE friends, and it was mostly applied differentials and physics. Not easy, but not super hard.

I do think some classes that are considered introductory in CS are a joke, but design and analysis of algorithms, compiler theory, analytical combinatorics, graphics, etc. are legitimately no joke. I think pairing hard CS classes and double majoring in another hard science/math is definitely a lot of work, difficult, and a very respectable stem education, especially since taking the right math and CS courses at the right school gives you the tools to think your way out of most academic situations. I think the problem is that CS is wildly inconsistent across schools.

>>9991568
I don't know where this meme that CS people learn only to code came from. I guess it comes from people looking at the meme CS programs at their meme schools. CS majors at my school have to take calc 3, linalg, intro to proofs, and probability theory (discrete and continuous) just for admission to the major, which isn't to mention the math they have to take for the upper level classes. Most good CS students I know are good at solving problems as their first and foremost skill.

>>9991568

retard, then cs fags also know how to do math, and so do engayneers. But mathematicians only know math? You stupid gorilla nigger.

>>9991568
If I had a brainlet wojak with me I would use it right now. Just imagine pic related.

>>9985393
>goodwillsmith.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJxBkE9d-TA

>>9985393
>You're coding therefore you're doing CS.

Most retarded idea posted here in decades. The tools you use do not define your profession. We're not all calligraphers just because we use pen and paper to take notes.

>>9990323
why do you think the same word applies to both conditions

>>9991222
>it has good job opportunities
naw nigga they got real time ray tracing, computer graphics is solved

Just do IT bro its comfy as fuck

>>9992472
>computer graphics is solved

s-stop it anon, it still has a future, right?

>>9990842
What even is calc 3? Everyone does not live in murica.
Any decent CS programme will teach: Multivariable calc, mathematical logic, automata theory, scientfic computing, machine learning, computer architecture, operating systems, algorithms and data structures... and some others.
Meanwhile selftaught people are profficient in some language and know enough data strucutures to do well in a coding interview. They both might compete for the same job but one has a different perspective.

>>9988736
>>9991255
Was talking about my master's. I'm not really up for a grad purely in bioinformatics but I'd like to make my grad look alot similar to the bioinformatics one so I was wondering if that would enable me to work as a bioinformaticsfag if my degree doesn't strictly say I am one.

>>9989980
But self study doesn't have any credentials

>>9991568
>>9991568
This 100%. Plus, the only thing this really shows is that anyone can and most likely will do CS so theres really no need to have an entire degree revolving it. CSfags can literally be replaced by students of other degrees who merely attend a couple courses in comp sci.

>>9994284
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