/sci/ - Science & Math

The absolute state of brainlets to assume humans understand reason.

a thread died for this. Thanks for nothing OP. Stick to the stupid questions general.

>>9968213
Oy Vey. Implying that dumb Goyim can reason.

>>9968213
They can't?

>>9968213
Retarded image. Looks like something that would be on some shitty Facebook page where a bunch of low IQ people would comment on how profound it is.

Define reason

>>9968213
Empiricism is a subset of philosophy.

>>9968213
Why can't animals reason?

>>9968213
>that Reddit tier picture

Fucking numale and your cringe "I fucking love science" shit

>>9968213
>Literally using poor epistemology to argue against epistemology

Die, logical positivist scum.

>>9968213
Animals can follow reason, what the fuck are you on about, have you ever taken care of one?
They can't into language and logic, but that is like asking a calculator to run a videogame.

>science is claiming the cat doesn't exist because you can't detect it

>>9968213
Animals reason, just not to such levels of abstraction and complexity, mainly due to lack of a complex language allowing them the concepts required. Humans that grow to adulthood without language (usually due to growing up deaf in the rural developing world), tend to have gaps in their ability to reason abstractly after learning language for this same reason, as do many feral children.

Train a gorilla in sign language from birth well enough, and you can give it an outline of what "god" is, and it can describe its concept of "god" to you - albeit, you'll get similar answers as you would from a toddler, such as "God must be a woman, because only women can have babies.", or "God must be a tree, because all life comes from food.", etc.

The difference between sapient and not seems to be more a matter of nurture than nature - which might explain why we didn't achieve much of anything in the first some hundred thousand some odd years of our existence - though there are also other factors.

>>9968636
>The difference between sapient and not seems to be more a matter of nurture than nature
i feel like thats a but of a false dichotomy, I think a little extra nature let us truly unlock wondrous abilities that we can nurture

>>9968216
Says the redditor. Fuck off back to your shithole.

>>9968312
/thread

>>9968213
lmftfy

>>9970309
Better.

>>9970231
True, we have the greatest potential for it, and so far as we've seen, the only animals we've been able to bring to even the level of our youngest talking children, are the ones we train.

At the same time, however, humans left tragically untrained and languleless are below even that level of reasoning capacity. So, higher sapience, at least, seems to be something largely passed down by language, rather than genetics. Even if, yes, at some point we must have developed this on our own, and yes, given even the most minute exposure to language, groups of humans will develop their own in short order. Thus it's one of those concepts we are able to quickly adapt by our nature.

>>9968216
>assume humans understand reason
Are you mentally disabled?

>>9968213
>animals can't reason

>>9968213
Because human beings are made in the image of God.

>>9968290
>t.theologist

>>9968213
>Why can humans reason while other animals cant?
some animals do "reason" to some extent, a few kinds of birds, some squids, monkeys, dolphins. Its probably that humans, with their communication skills got into some kind of self reinforcing developmental loop where logical reasoning made for better communication, made for better logical reasoning until you get the just barely not retarded monkeys we humans currently exist as.

>>9970731
that was deep, I never thougth about that

>>9968213
because humans have objectivity
an animal can't detach itself from its surroundings; when your dog runs through the backyard, to the dog the yard is appearing as the dog moves, it has no permanence when your dog goes back inside
humans recognize the objectivity of reality, its independence of being experienced

>>9970739
So the stick just passes through the "solid" barrier on the right?

>>9971231
>; when your dog runs through the backyard, to the dog the yard is appearing as the dog moves, it has no permanence when your dog goes back inside

that reminds me of when i was a preschool age