/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9958234
Only if STEM doesnt include CS brainlets

>>9958234
Considering STEM was the biggest mistake of ky life by tricking me into a field with terrible job prospects, no.

>>9958234
stem is now applied feminism

nothxkbye

>>9958316

>>9958247
You went into a field that had far more degrees than job openings. The only job for which this is not the case is software engineering.

>>9958234
Of course.

Non-STEM are brainlet plebs.

STEM is the master race.

>>9958316
>stem is now applied feminism
& Humanities are pure feminism.

>>9958242
this

No, those are the ingineers and I don't wanna act like them.

>>9958242 >>9958447
CS is the only STEM major that don't have shitty job prospects.

>>9958234
actually I have a superiority complex over people who are not majoring in math or arts.

>>9958234
>Do any of you have a superiority complex over people majoring in non-stem fields?
I threw that away very quickly after my first year

>>9958234
yes

>>9958234
Not at all. rather it is a world view based on objective factors such as employability and being a productive member of society.

>>9958247
How can you be unable to find a job with STEM??

>>9958468
Garbage. Physics is pretty safe. We hire a lot, preferably with a PhD.

>>9958234
God yes.
It's not a "complex" it is quite simple.

We can totally nuke this planet if we are so inclined.

I am currently rock hard just thinking about how many ways I could knock a few asteroids out and end the incessant bitching and moaning.

Humanity is making a mockery of itself in The West. It needs a firm reminder. Pain exists. Suffering built our character. Otherwise everyone becomes like The Dodo Bird.

Fat, lazy and totally unprepared for extermination. You need to wake up and rise to survive the changes the earth makes.

Reality sucks but it is the only thing that lets you dream. A small price. A Devils Bargain.

>>9959161
I like you.

>>9959129
>Physics is pretty safe.

>>9959129
>Physics is pretty safe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304096/Graduate-physics-PhD-31-fell-death-block-flats-taking-job-centre-qualified-for.html

>>9959129
The only physicist I know that is getting any decent money is a desk clerk bureaucrat.

>>9958400
heheh

>>9959129
kys college freshman

I have a huge bias against non-STEM types. The types are honestly crap. They go to school with some shitty program and leave not being able to think critically or appreciate the sciences. It's sad really. Then, it makes it even worse when it's these people often in power. Can we get a technocracy pls?

>>9959898
They end up being your boss while you make $25 an hour. Welcome to real life.

>>9959902
Which is why i work at companies with at least 90% engineers

Yes, but it's definitely justified. STEM fields are the only fields that won't be taken over by software/robots in the near future.

I post on my university's facebook roasting liberal arts students all the time for fun, they get super angry but can't even defend their shitty majors.

>>9959898
>not being able to think critically
>Implying stemfags can think critically
Repeating the same axioms over and over is not critical thought. That's why firms employ arts graduates to do the creative stuff

>>9959939
>STEM fields are the only fields that won't be taken over by software/robots in the near future.

>>9958234
No. Anybody with real experience with majors in serious humanities fields knows they work damn hard and have language skills that STEM students lack.

Yes and No. I do respect most other majors excluding the ones you usually find on suicide tier (especially gender bullshit) otherwise I am okay even with History majors or English majors etc.

No, I've dealt with both at all levels. Stupidity everywhere, they all suck

>>9959939
Are you literally retarded? Which do you think is more easily done with a computer, designing a more efficient engine or writing a fucking novel?

>>9958234
No, because I realize the true purpose of post secondary education, to enhance the cognitive and artistic abilities of students and to have a finer appreciation for different aspects of life. The engineering and comp sci fuckwits are the ones who have turned university into a job training institution with muh employability.

No. I am majoring in neuroscience, however my experience is that most of my classmates are insectlike mes-students: truly the locusts of academia.

I was an astronomy major at another time, and have some friends in CS, and many in STEM are about as bad as the stereotypes would have you believe. Basically, brainlet eugenicists and social-darwinists who think they’re geniuses because they can plug-and-play math equations.

Philosophers and mathematicians are actually top-tier dudes (mathematicians being the most redeemable of all of STEM), as well as history majors, although the former group can suffer a different type of superiority complex.

Overall, STEM is full of brainlets, though most of college is, but they’re brainlets with a sense of entitlement for white collar work.

>>9959359
>Dr. Philip Elliot recently competed a degree at Reading University
>recently competed a degree
>competed a degree
>competed
How useless is a degree in English?

>>9961214
>he bought it

>>9961245
Found the engineer/comp sci autist

>>9959963
>That's why firms employ arts graduates to do the creative stuff
and gender studies graduates to do gay fagottry stuff

>>9961250
Found the media studies/communications autist

>>9961245
engineer here, he's right. you go to school to not be pleb. its why rich people still send their kids.

People are welcome to study what they enjoy, but I know that mathematics is the only worthwhile field.

>>9959963
t. Brainlet who things math is adding really quickly and science is rote memorising a book of facts

>>9958234
no
STEM and non-STEM distinction is kinda meaningless/nonexistent

>>9961409
>no u

Expected from an engineering brainlet

>>9959161
all those edges, on a kid that hasnt suffered yet.

right now, the guy who digs the hole for the sewer pipe is more useful for humanity than you are.

your arrogance will not help you. the sooner you kill it the better.

>>9959898
read "disciplined minds"

stem education makes you a mental slave. you work your ass off to solve problems defined by others to make money for other people. all in exchange for a mediocre salary and some good boy points.

>>9961224
this anon speaks the truth.

history, philosophy, math, physics are all worthy disciplines.

being a plumber, electrician, carpenter, etc is just as admirable and is more profitable and offers more autonomy if you do it right.

>>9959161
> i have never suffered
> therefore nobody else suffers enough
> therefore they deserve to suffer
> i can make them suffer with a meteor lol


wew lad

>>9959129
>Physics is pretty safe
No, sweetie...

>>9961468
>Expected from an engineering brainlet
Expected from an Anthropology brainlet.

>>9961224
>Philosophers and mathematicians are actually top-tier dudes
>dudes
>D U D E S

triggered

>>9958468
I can’t see this. CS is a huge fucking bubble waiting to happen especially since every pajeet and chang are flooding into it along with gaymers. It’s also the easiest STEM major so you will have the lowest commom denominators choosing it over more rigorous majors.

>>9961224
Mathematicians and philosophers are the most coddeled people who live in a bubble of all. Both care zero about real life uses and instead only care about abstract crap. The math majors here get asshurt whenever you ask “but what are the real world applications of it?” to them.

>>9961214
Because it is. People only go to college to get a piece of paper do some company ir the government knows they have some vague understanding in a field. You are beyond a brainlet if you actually pay to learn when you have access to a plethora of resources online. In fact its come to the point that professors are so awful that self studying is mandatory to even grasp the topics of a class.

>>9962147
CS =/= code monkey apprenticeship
The code monkey bubble has already burst due to India and them gaining access to the internet.

>>9958234
Let me correct you there its called STEAM

>>9960017
Wrong
T. English major

>>9962157
The whole tech industry is in a giant bubble. See: Real estate prices on the west coast

>>9959898
50-100 years ago, before Jews took over higher education, english majors would start their program already knowing some greek/latin, 12th grade algebra, having already read the classics

Only the brightest 10% got to go to college

>>9960017
>have language skills that STEM students lack
like what?

>>9962215
How do the real estate prices of the west coast proof that the tech industry is a giant bubble?

>>9962228
Where do you think the insane piles of money are coming from? Why are people so eager to pay $2500 a month rent for a tiny one bedroom apartment in Seattle?

>>9962247
Because they are insane and believe that living in Seattle will make them successful entrepreneurs.

>>9958234
I have superiority awareness.

>>9962265
X insane people x Y investors x Z by government grants/subsidies/military spending ^media hype = tech bubble

>>9962277
Making a random formula for a thing that isn't backed up with proof isn't proof for said thing.
Please give me an actual argument on why the tech industry is a bubble that will soon burst.

>>9961563
This is just shit brainlets who never taken a STEM class beyond highschool tell to themselves to feel better.

>>9959161
Westerners RISE TF UP

>>9962152
If you have trouble with the topics in class, you're probably not very smart.

*laughing with huge pay check*

>>9958234
STEM is just a necessary evil.
On a day-to-day level, it's mostly number-crunching and paper-pushing.
The reason why filling STEM positions and educating people in STEM fields is so important is because while STEM fields are really the only fields of science and academics that maintain and improve the foundations of our civilization, technology, and lifestyles, they're incredibly boring to the average person.
It's not like the average person isn't capable of achieving STEM education, it's just that it takes lots of dedication to something that most people get bored of or don't want to work as hard it.
And what's the reward for all that boring, hard work? Even more boring, but slightly less hard work, where you get to sit alone in a grey cubicle in a windowless office and work by yourself, without chatting with anyone until scheduled breaks.

And people keep fucking wondering why there are so few women in STEM fields. If you've ever working with women, or even just known some, you're already aware at how socially-minded women are. You've probably noticed how they primarily pursue social activities and social achievements. No woman, aside from some special spectrum kiddies, wants that kind of a job. They all want to be youtube celebrities who upload videos of them trying on makeup for a living, and sadly, that is actually a viable career path these days.

So yeah, I have tons of respect for people who majored in STEM fields and have those careers. They're the motherfuckers willing to do the most boring work for the most important global results. And hey, if the odd autist actually thoroughly enjoys STEM work, then all the better. We need more isolationist workers and technically-minded people. Youtube videos won't keep this fucking nation/world afloat.

>>9961227
You get two options:
1) Keep going to school to get your Ed degree and become an English teacher.
2) Become a writer of trash-tier internet clickbait articles where things like "spelling", "grammar", and "context" are unimportant to your uneducated readers.

>>9958234
Not really, in fact the most interesting conversations I have had with people have been with philosophy or history students. Most scientists I talk to tend to be great technicians but not great thinkers with little knowledge of the world outside their chosen field of study.

>>9962222
most STEM people are not capable of creative or engaging writing. most STEM people these days have a woefully simplistic understanding of soft subjects, e.g. philosophy or social policy.

>>9958242
I dunno mate, I do in math just fine, but coding literally leads me to frustration. I only have 2 programming courses and already failed my first one 2 times.

I have no idea what's wrong with my brain, math proofs go just fine, but even Hello World fucks me up.

For some people, "brainlet" subjects are just fucking hard.

>>9962453
Upvoted

>>9962454
>Become a writer of trash-tier internet clickbait articles
and that's a good thing, here's why

So, is there anything wrong with CS if i live in Europe?

>>9963023
Yes, you live in Europe

>>9963038
Well fuck

>>9958234
If only because I believe I have a slightly higher job outlook. If you go into debt for anything that isn't going to give you a job, you are committing suicide in my book.

At this point I think everybody who thinks CS is for brainlets and not a real science have just attended very shitty universities which categorically lowers the value of their deduction since they couldn't get into a good one.

>>9964632

>>9962148
>math majors here get asshurt
only at the fact that people still ask the question, not that the answer is negative

>>9962902
>For some people, "brainlet" subjects are just fucking hard.
lmao yeah those people are called brainlets

>>9964697
>nontrivial algorithms
>mergesort
>more math than physics
kek

>>9958234
What would you define as stem out of curiosity? Obviously all areas of mathematics, computing, engineering and the natural sciences.

Would you also include any other areas, like from the health/medical fields or social/behavioural sciences?

I would personally include epidemiology and neuroscience, even though they are potentially in grey areas.

>>9964783

>>9958234
Only over meme fields like gender studies or African-American studies. On the other hand, I despise soulless, humorless STEMlords who think that "science is so fucking cool and it will solve everything lmao I'm so smart because I'm a scientist".

>>9958234
GAGH I'M SO FUCKING SUPERIOR TO THE PLEBES AHGAHHGAHGGAJHKLDHKFJSHAJBCKJHAFHSDJCJABSLKBFJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMsGl_XxTk

>>9958234
>you think you are superior
>therefore you are inferior to people who don't think they are superior, according to them

>>9962112
>Philosophers and mathematicians are actually top-tier dudes
Philosophers and mathematicians are actually a bunch of *Genderfluid homosexuals

>>9962168
>English
>serious degree

>>9958468
They say this whenever the economy is good but stop when the economy kicks the bucket for a few years.

>>9963019
I love this meme

sometimes ya, but I never treat people worse

>>9964783
anyone have thoughts on this?

>>9958234
I have a superiority complex over the people who majored in STEM and are now getting paid to work on my ideas.

Considering the poor job prospects of careers requiring a Physics bac or phd, what are some closely related fields of work to physics? I'm willing to hone my skills in any other such area but I still like physics.

>>9958234
Aerospace engineering student here. At the very beginning I was a prick, picking on most other faculties. Then I fell into deep depression, lost the good part of three years in a very sorry state, and dropped out. Luckily I got psychiatric help, found a job, found a gf, got back in AE, now I'm close to my bachelor degree. That bad experience taught me a great deal of things, now I'm way more humble and have way more respect for things outside STEM.

>>9965203
The trick to Physics is that you roll it with another degree plan so you always have some sort of fallback option. A degree in Physics is still considered to be very prestigious, even if many employers may not find it directly applicable. Employers believe that having one proves you are intelligent, driven, capable of sifting through vast amounts of data to solve complex problems, and a great cRJtJcᴀM tHJɴkeR. Minor it with finance or statistics and you look pretty good for the business world (check out actuary, for instance). Take a few extra courses and you can go into engineering (in fact, at my school, there's a specific plan that does just that). Many people I know double major it with Math (since the two subjects are so close anyways).

>>9965723
>having one proves you are intelligent, driven, capable of sifting through vast amounts of data to solve complex problems, and a great cRJtJcᴀM tHJɴkeR.
Most employers don't, and those that do, don't really care. They'd laugh you out of interview room if you brought it up. It doesn't mean shit, just shows how much of a fool you were for going into such an unemployable major.

>>9958247
>On 8 October 2008, the 2008 Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to Osamu Shimomura, Chalfie, and Tsien for their work on GFP.[7] Prasher was not included among the Nobel laureates, as only 3 individuals can share in a single Nobel Prize. Chalfie said of Prasher's contribution:

>"Douglas Prasher's work was critical and essential for the work we did in our lab. They could've easily given the prize to Douglas and the other two and left me out."[8]

>Tsien also agreed that they couldn't have done it without Prasher and "Doug Prasher had a very important role."[9]

>In an October 9, 2008 phone interview with National Public Radio (NPR) and October 14, 2008 TV interview with Inside Edition, Prasher reported that he was unable to find a job in science, his life savings had run out and that he was working as a courtesy shuttle bus driver for Bill Penney Toyota in Huntsville, Alabama at $8.50 an hour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Prasher

>>9965150
I don’t know about some of the medical degrees being considered stem. Nursing and dental assistant type stuff I mean. They seem more like auto mechanics vs scientists.

I would if I wasn't a failure
I'm convinced of the reality of natural intelligence, and that I have less of it than others
I wish to god I had it and could do stem better

>>9965752
Didn't he almost kill himself after hearing about the Nobel?

The PhD mill is a big unsustainable scam.

There are far more people getting STEM PhD's than there are research positions available for them.

>>9965768
Those are considered stem? Wow I didn't even think of actual medical degrees as stem.

>There are far more people getting STEM PhD's than there are research positions available for them.

If you mean academic research then that's true but a PhD will open other careers not possible without one.

>>9966147
second part meant for >>9965778

>>9965752
Holy fuck. Please no. Fuck this planet.

>>9965752
>Douglas Prasher was returned to scientific research work in June 2010.

HAH

>>9965752
This single post just changed my mind to getting a job after my masters instead of doing a PhD

>>9966190
>Prasher had applied to the National Institutes of Health for funding but had been turned down, and by the time he was undergoing review for promotion from assistant to untenured associate, he had decided to leave academia.[citation needed] Subsequently, Prasher worked for the Animal & Plant Health Inspection Service,[1] U.S. Department of Agriculture at its Otis Plant Protection Center in Cape Cod, Massachusetts as a population geneticist, and was later transferred to the Plant Germplasm Quarantine & Biotechnology Laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland. After working conditions deteriorated at the Beltsville location, he went to work for NASA subcontractor AZ Technology in Huntsville, Alabama, working on an existing project to develop lab-on-a-chip devices to monitor cabin environment and to perform human diagnostics during long-term spaceflight.[citation needed] However, he lost his job after 1.5 years when NASA reorganized and canceled the project.[10][11]

Sounds like he was doing fine in general, he just went through a tough period during that interview.

His life savings running out is very sad though, I guess he wasn't being paid much working on those projects.

>>9966194
Guys, why is the job market so fucked in STEM?

There seems to be more research funding than ever, but we still see these horror stories and oversaturation every year.

Are we all destined to slave away as code monkeys in software dev?

>>9966242
Old folks never leave, and established figures decide what's "important" and gets funding (they and their friends work).
The problem with most modern science "training" is you're being groomed to do a part of the PI's work, but when it comes time to go alone, he still has that niche, plus a few others you don't, filled

>>9966271
>Old folks never leave, and established figures decide what's "important" and gets funding (they and their friends work).
I don't know about this. In the professional society forms there are countless posts about old scientists and engineers getting laid off due to ageism.

They warn the younger incoming grads who the profit driven companies replace them with that they are being drastically underpaid and overworked compared what they started with.

My own adviser was forced into retirement at 65, which sucks because he really loves his job and didn't build up enough savings from low academic salaries.

They are not wrong, if I'm desperate enough I can get some stupid internship or graduate programme and work for 20-30k for 50 hours a week only to not get hired...or I can just go into software dev and work for 60-100k starting at less than 40 hours a week.


>The problem with most modern science "training" is you're being groomed to do a part of the PI's work,

Well I don't know, when I did my Masters I was allowed to pursue my own ideas. This lead to some breakthrough ideas which impressed a lot of researchers and then people wanted me to do a PhD on it.

I didn't win the grant funding for it though. HoDs have talked about employing me as a lecturer, but that never panned out so I had to leave academia. Now my problem is that no one is hiring researchers for a livable wage. Luckily I picked up a lot of software dev skills so that is hopefully going to save me.

However, then you have the PIs like you said who graduate like fucking 5-10 PhDs doing some trivial shit, and only one of them will find employment afterward. The other 9 are are fucked because they have no transferable skills unless they get an extremely lucky niche industry position.

Fucked either way.

All this, but there is more grant money than ever despite PhD graduate rates remaining relatively low (per capita)

Somewhere, someone is stealing a lot of money.

>>9966289
I know profs who have their husband/wife on lab payroll for 60k a year as a project coordinator lmao, but since they're married and most likely share their money, to me this is blatantly funnelling lab grant money back to themselves.

>>9966289
>more grant money than ever despite PhD graduate rates remaining relatively low (per capita)
>Somewhere, someone is stealing a lot of money
1) Admins. Beurcracy behind science in modern era is disgusting 2) It costs more money to do research that it used to.

Idk your field, but in mine, once a professor hits a certain age, they just hang around: they still take students and post docs, and get grants through them, but they take on positions that aren't about doing the science: they write books, attend meetings, serve on committees for societies (and funding agencies), consult with other schools. The only ones forced out are the ones that insist on just teaching.

> breakthrough ideas which impressed
>didn't win the grant funding for it though
I know grant getting isn't just about the work, but still this supports the point: a few break through ideas get funded, a few don't, but mostly some middle tier shit in an established area gets it so that area continues to grow 1 millionth of an inch.

>>9965752
Poor Douglas Prasher

>>9966313
Jesus. But honestly even with that I feel that far more money is probably being stolen by private companies through industry lobbying.

The modern economy is about controlling the flow of money. The real producers and manufacturers have less power and therefore less investment capital than those with strong political ties (who just piss the money away in a bottomless management salary drain).

>>9966328
For 1 I completely agree. I don't know about 2, my field in particular is theoretical with some computational aspects so our required resources have gotten much cheaper (just salaries and amazon web service time these days).

>>9966328
>they still take students and post docs, and get grants through them
Your university is probably better than mine. Students here get scholarships sure, but I've never seen a student awarded project grants. We have 2 post docs on their own grants, but they are both worth less than million each. They can really only feed themselves on it.

>they write books, attend meetings, serve on committees for societies (and funding agencies), consult with other schools.
Basically all our professors do this. They have like 10-20 co-authorships every year and almost never a first authorship. They do take the collaborating authorship for most of those (which in many cases can mean money through further research grants and consulting). I'm glad I was granted mine because fuck getting pushed out of the loop on your own research.

> but mostly some middle tier shit in an established area gets it so that area continues to grow 1 millionth of an inch.
This is what annoys me to hell and back.

How many fucking grants are you going to fund on making yet another carbon capture catalyst? Of course though, I've actually tried writing a similar grant myself, but they tend to be awarded to established professors in the field.

>>9966444
>>9966328
>>9966313
>>9966289
But also rather than just complaining, what do you guys think would be a viable solution to work towards reforming the institution?

We technically really don't need administrators at all (who are usually technically incompetent anyway).

Suppose the grant pool was run instead by a Fair Cake cutting algorithm plugged into a soft artificial intelligence.

We can have objective functions optimizing for benefit to both industrial and theoretical fields. The constraints can help to avoid awards to high h-index researchers who work in stagnating fields and eco-chambers by analysing the topology of citation graphs in those fields (so, for example, when you have 100 researchers all citing each other on the same shitty applied problem, but no other citations to that circle, then you stop grant flow and start awarding to lower cited researchers in fresh fields).

>>9966451
Problem is how you intend to get anyone to implement that system.

People who decide where the money goes (eg NSF) aren't going to say, yes, give my job to a computer and then have the funds go to areas I don't care about, and they have the ear of the officials that have the actual money.

It's the same problem the publishing industry in general: their's no reason in this day and age you can't post full data sets and write ups on an open forum with peer and public review, but there is an army of people that will just say, no the way we do it now works (ie we get paid)

>>9966467
Yeah you're right.

It's hard to argue for closing down jobs too.

But it needs to change. I believe it is unironically the only way to truly revitalize our economy.

Technological progression has always resulted in net job growth.

>>9965189
More so than people majored in dance therapy?

>>9958234
Yeah cause everyone else is just playin in the garden.

>>9966924
>it needs to change
Indeed. It's an issue for everyone, and really it would benefit a lot more people than it would hurt to overhaul the arts and the sciences, but if history has taught us anything it's that people loathe change. It's gonna be a lot of time and a lot of work, but may as well start now

>>9965189
Gender Studies majors has such "Pride" ... Gay Pride

>>9958234
It's not a complex, it's just an objective fact.

>>9958234
I don't. I had one in Freshman year and that was pretty short lived.

""""STEM""" is something people in technology and engineering made up so they group themselves with real scientists and mathematicians

>>9958468
nice projection

>>9968220
Literally the other way around.

AIP and ACS made it up to try and imply that physics and chemistry is just as employable as engineering.

STEM was literally just "lets all pretend we can earn as much as engineers".

Now that engineering is dead and salaries are abysmal you'll see less people using STEM.

>>9968238
>engineering is dead and salaries are abysma
But now people are using "STEM" to imply that natural Scientists can earn as much as Computer Scientists

>>9968244
Yes, very true.

The real truth is you can get code monkey positions paying 40 to 60k, but without a CS background in data management etc. you won't get those 80k+ CS salaries.

muh STEM

>>9968244
Every time this image is posted I feel the need to dispute it.
Yes, if you have a degree in just biology, there's probably no jobs for you. Same as in the physical sciences and especially mathematics, but that's not what makes these degrees worthwhile.
Someone with a physics degree who pairs it with something like CS and a degree in meteorology can work in weather modeling, someone who get a degree in biology can go on to get a masters/phd in medical sciences, biotech, genetics (which is shitty, but im just saying), radiology, pediatrics, or orthopedics (ect). They could also pair it with CS or Engineering and do biotech.

Math is literally the biggest example of a college major that is useless on its own (unless you're a prodigy), but becomes infinitely more useful when it is paired with other STEM majors.
CS fags might get their webdev jobs taken by pajeets, but a math+cs kid will have the ability to work on things higher than pajeets can steal.
A Finance guy might get laid off his paper pushing job when the economy tanks, but a Finance+Math kid will have a comfy job working as an actuary or financial engineer.

The point is, if you look at jobs in JUST biology, or JUST engineering, or JUST mathematics, then yes the jobs are not there. BUT, these degree increase their value E X P O N E N T I A L L Y with more training or other disciplines.
>t. mathematics and finance guy.

>>9968523
Im a pure CS student. I wanted to do math + cs , but they didn't offer honor or traineeship. And I want to go to grad school.

/blogpost

what would math + cs be more usefull for?

computer graphics or AI?

>>9968538
Not him, but all the machine learning memes are higher level stats, while math could let you model natural systems or financial systems with diff eqs and analysis.

>>9966147
where and what are these mythical jobs in industry which require PhDs?
>>9965189
what are those ideas? What was your major? Do you think it was critical in forming said ideas and/or the business built on them?

>>9968267
the virgin one is just creepily accurate

>>9968538
Robotics. You can take a meme tier cookbook style stats course, but without at least calc 2 you won't be able to fully understand and prove why anything in stats works the way it does.
Plus the reasoning skills are useful to prove why a program works, or to make code more efficient.

Yeah, kind of. Everyone else around me seems far fewer lectures, and they study easier shit on top of that.

>>9968589
*seems to have

>>9958234
No. STEM Just happened to be where I think that will lead me to a happy life. Non-STEM people have their own life and their own point of view on happy life. I have no right to be superior to them or just go "you are non-STEM, therefore your value as human is lower than me "

Viewing people based on degrees and not as human being is the worst thing you can do really.

>>9968244
What years that big guy? Also source? Tyvm

>>9968568
>where and what are these mythical jobs in industry which require PhDs?
I only speak for my area but there are loads in bioinformatics and computational biology in the UK, US and rest of the world that require PhDs. Below are links to a few I found just on indeed after a quick search but I know of specific companies with similar vacancies not advertised on job search sites.

https://www.indeed.co.uk/viewjob?jk=8cefed6c1b8c91d0&q=Bioinformatics+PhD&tk=1cm645rd694pdd1v&from=web&vjs=3

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=1aee497ce8c38ae0&tk=1cm63rtsd5skham1&from=serp&vjs=3

https://www.indeed.co.uk/viewjob?jk=3f8e043567d43a28&q=Computational+Biology&tk=1cm63s3i494pda8q&from=web&vjs=3

https://www.indeed.co.uk/viewjob?jk=b8a16e147820ad1e&tk=1cm645rd694pdd1v&from=serp&vjs=3

>>9968903
Do those actually require PhDs? You could probably get a masters and some experience.

>>9958234
I was in a non stem major one year before switching. Now I tend to look a bit down on the average non stem student. My way of thinking has changed quite a bit. I try to create or understand most things from the root, or look at work/vulg done on it when it's above my level.

Not necessarily, but I thoroughly enjoy that I can play with equipment that literally costed millions up to billions to make (and run and maintain)

>>9968945
And too many non stem people don't seem to think/problem solve as much but rather memorize.

What do /sci/ think of architects? Are we looked down upon? I always saw us as a grey area in the degree hierarchy

>>9968938
Usually if that's an option it's mentioned in the "qualifications" or "essential skills" section. I have seen some saying "masters required, phd preferred" or "masters and 4 years exp or phd required" or something like that, but there are plenty that specify PhD as a required/essential qualification without any mention of masters or experience.

>>9968967
Depends on where you got your degree. Some places its more art than engineering and others its pretty much tantamount to civil engineering for buildings.

>>9968973
Went to an arts university. Might be a redundant statement on here but the BSC courses seriously lack imagination. But then, my BA admittedly skipped around the edges of structure and engineering and we didnt need to justify the construction of the entire building.

>>9968967
Tbh I don't think about them much or really know what it is they learn about since it rarely comes up, but if what I have heard about architects just coming up with overall designs which engineers have to actually make work is true then I would think of them more as glorified artists. I assume this is an exaggeration though. Also, the training is very long isn't it? How many years? Are there alternative career paths?

>>9968903
How is bioinformatics? I'll have the chance to study it over the next year.

>>9968903
Tbh, I don't think you've mastered bio-informatics at all if you want a job as a bio-informatic that's just mastered in bio-informatics. The field is too deep and too specific to just have a master's degree for it.

>>9968984
You'd be right for the most part, except 'glorified artists' is more that architecture is considered 'the mother of all arts', it is generally considered to tie up most art forms together and buildings are generally the largest and most prominent symbol of a culture.

7 years in UK, two in experience and 5 in uni.

We draw accurate plans, sections, elevations, building control, specify materials and companies to perform work, and we administrate the building process on behalf of the client throughout almost all of the process. And of course, the more an architect understands principles of structures and engineering, the more amiable the relationship between engineer and architect will be.

>>9969002
It's cool and varied both in the area of biology it can be applied to and in the way you go about it. I myself have a biological background and I am just getting into the statistical analysis and modelling side of it but you could focus on the methodology and software development side (creating new tools) as well. You can combine it with experimental work like me or just go pure computational, in which case you don't need extensive biological knowledge. It tends to attract a wide range of people including mathematicians, physicists, statisticians and computer scientists.

>>9969026
It does sound pretty interesting tbf. Is it a safe career path? Also to what extent do you use mathematics to in your approach to problems?

>>9969079
Not the guy you're talking to but..
Bio-informatics is booming. There's huge amounts of data to be processed and the tools for it are just being developed. A lot of people are now transitioning to machine learning to develop these tools in order to see what can be done with it.
Actually, the amount of fields bio-informatics applies to is pretty insane. Obviously everything bio-related (life sciences), but the amount of subfields we have is pretty astounding.

>>9969112
I am the guy who posted the bioinformatics jobs earlier lol, in this post >>9969079 I was asking the architect guy about his field. I think you meant to reply to >>9969002

>>9969137
Woops, brainfart, LOL

Yes because other degress I don’t see as difficult. Everything outside of STEM i would assume is just reading with exception to business. STEM is reading but more.

>>9962157
>=/=

>>9967462
Lmao

I became an obstetrician so I could stalk other obstetricians and try to ruin their lives. I would've rather went into professional kickboxing. So consider STEM fields at face value. It's like social services but actually pay well.

>>9969079

>Cons: Same if not more study time than doctors/lawyers, for less pay, less job prospects, working more hours overall in some cases, and with the architecture qualification you're more liable to be sued compared to just being an 'architectural designer' who doesnt have the architect title, and the industry is moving away from qualified architects and more towards entire projects with no appointed architect. Generally you will have 'made it as an architect' when you are old not young, apart from notable exceptions

>Pros: It is a high art form so if you have a passion for it or a passion for conveying a message, university is a satisfying challenge, and you are more employable than other arts. You are respected by people and admired somewhat more at a basic level espec. at dinner parties. If you become a qualified architect you can express your vision of the world and life in your own way (intensely if the client has a lot of money and trusts you, not so much if your client is a developer/investor looking to make dollah) and if you truly make it in the industry many many people will worship you

Depends what you mean by 'maths' and 'problems'. A lot of surveying and measurement is involved, some geometry too i guess. You should be studying form and proportion too and getting an eye for 'what looks good' so that is kind of maths.
I have a minor ambition to study euclidean geometry, or basic geometry, and apply it to architecture. Pic related, I tried to introduce the cubic growth formations of the pyrite crystal into a natural science museum I designed as my final major project. Plz no bully, this is a section of the building and though you cant see the surrounding town, notice the cube element in the centre. I 3D printed cubic growth patterns i made in StructureSynth too, dont have pics of that darn it, but it was all good fun

>>9969240
And this is that glass centrepiece above ground in a render

>>9969240
Yeah the most fun I think about architecture is the site analysis. What's wrong with the current site, how could the project for this site be able to contribute and at the same time fit in its surroundings.
Often times the way it's approached certain shapes/structure elements arise naturally, but then you can still give that personal touch that might elevate it even beyond the analysis.

>>9969256
Well sometimes the personal touch IS what is wrong with the site, or it IS how it should fit in its surroundings. I pride myself on intensely understanding the problems of the site, and pondering on it deeply until I find a fix that isn't even about the building I am making, more as something that I deliver to the site. So for instance, these images ive uploaded, they show the majority of the building underground. That's because the site sits on Bournemouth cliffs, and ten years ago a building was torn down from that site because it was horrible grey and blocked the view to the seaside. So I went full on 'DO NOT BLOCK THE VIEW' and designed a crystalline cavern. The cubes were my own flare I admit, but reflect a natural chemical formation.

If you get to call the shots on a design, what you commented is exactly what architects strive to do today, you sound like you have a good eye for it. I'd recommend picking up a book like
>100 ideas that changed architecture
or
>The observer's book of British architecture

both relatively easy with effective pictures.

>>9969271
I was just a random guy. But I have a buttload of friends who are architects, so I kind of understand the process. Sorry that I've confused you haha

>>9969240
>>9969246
wtf? I love architecture now! No but in all seriousness that is really cool I like the idea of geometric art and taking inspiration from crystals for building design is an interesting idea.
On another note did you make that up close image of the cube by hand or on a computer?

>>9968538
>computer graphics or AI?
AI applied to computer graphics

>>9962829
I'll take my ability in technical writing, and other gained skills like writing concisely instead thank you

>>9965737
>go to job interview
>don't mention your physics PhD.
what is your fucking complex?

>STEM
>fucked due to labor oversupply

>Software Development
>bubble will either burst or they'll automate themselves out of existence the same way they're doing to everyone else

>Business and Law
>if you weren't born into the old boys' club, you're fucked

>art/philosophy/humanities/etc
>always been fucked

>Services and other drop out or "brainlet" jobs
>implying many of these jobs will survive current trends towards labor displacement/optimization

I wake up and sometimes wonder how did it come to this.

>>9970146
Because academia has been completely bleached of meaning. Nobody cares about ideas anymore and even many grad students do it in the hopes someone will pay them more to be a dolt in an office somewhere.

>>9959129
>Physics is pretty safe

So, hows it look for a Electrical Engineer Tech, or moving on past the associates.

I'd like to move into either green energies or robotics. I'm 31 and just getting started.

>>9958400
>gauss, faraday, tesla, ohm, boole, newton, copernicus, archimedes
>all of this is feminism

>>9961468
>shitty job doing shitty stuff dealing with shit people

>>9958242
what about comp engineering

>>9958234
I actually have an inferiority complex. Besides gender science and stuff, I tend to find arts majors to be more interesting people than your average STEM majors. There are a couple geniuses in STEM who arr the exceptions, but, on average, i think I'd rather have dinner with someone from the arts.

>>9971205
>implying arts majors can afford dinner

>>9971205
>When first going to school start out as Animation Technologies
>All the students are full of energy and active
>Wild imaginations and creativity
>Spend time learning different 3D software and animation techniques
>Enjoy watching 2D/3D series from around the world, have major soft spot for French and Chinese animation
>Understand the inner workings of animation and things like video games
>See how poor the industry is at maintaining a position in it
>Change to Electrical Engineering as I know and understand it
>Start school
>Everyone in my courses are the most boring people I could ever imagine