/sci/ - Science & Math

>Fields outside of CS are more selective and as such inherently more merit-based
Feelsgoodman

>>9933455
makes me smile because i'm not a shitter.

t. engineer at a fortune 50 company

>>9933461
bro, how many levels of cognitive dissonance are you on?

>>9933455
Feels like absolute shite man.

>>9933461
>le sekrit club xd

>>9933468
>>9933471
t. insecure CS major

>>9933476
I'm actually majoring in math. I just get annoyed when I see frogposters acting smug.

>>9933455
I come on /sci/ to try and remember why I'm passionate about and interested in my field, not to be reminded about the reality of my lack of employment 1 year after graduation.

Can't you just let me have 15 minutes of peace to recover from 15 hours of reading rejection letters?

>bachelors masters and PhDs
Well yea, a physics/math/bio degree by itself has an academic perspective in mind. However, that chart doednt include thay if you took good electives in your bachelor and know how to codez you are going to get hired in technical positions and even engineering.

>>9933498
Do you have a single fact to back that up? Statistically speaking, you're many times more likely to end up unemployed than not.

who the fuck needs 100k codemonkeys?
everyone uses same 20 fucking programs from 3 companies

>>9933455
>people with math degrees are better suited for technical jobs than people with CS degrees
Why are employers such retards?

>>9933455
>"Does not include health care occupations"
I mean I'm feeling pretty good all things considered.

>>9933455
And if they do include health care occupations? Do they not do that to skew their results or show how few life science degree holders go into research?

>>9933522
>people with math degrees are better suited for technical jobs than people with CS degrees
Except they aren't, but if you want to believe your Professors so badly go ahead and send in that application and just blame it all on HR.

>>9933483
I "frogpost" to trigger smug brainlets

>>9933455
>counting every code monkey and IT job as CS

top kek

>>9933498
no you're not, because engineers or whatever are in the same oversaturated position. In that case it's still pretty easy if you're not an autist, just apply to jobs that require irrelevant fields like business or some shit where the work is easier and you'll probably be considered a god

>>9933522
CS degree is a dumbed down version of maths plus some engineering

ITT: butthurt non-CS majors
sucks to make life choices huh :^)

>>9933687
Not as bad as being a code monkey for fucking ever

>>9933455
>does not include healthcare positions
>most bio majors want to go into healthcare

this is what happens when you brainwash an entire generation with the belief that "you can't get a job without a college degree"
then give all the non-college required jobs to illegal immigrants

>>9933455
>tfw I'm a programmer without a college degree and people like me will steal a lot of those Computer Science jobs

>>9934254
>Doesn't realize job listings undergo automated resume and application tests to check for keywords
>Job listing requires BS in CS or equivalent
>Lies about it or gets thrown out, either way no job offer.

>>9933455
This graph comes from a New York Times article

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/education/edlife/stem-jobs-industry-careers.html

It appears that it comes from some analysis a computer scientist did. It's not published anywhere else.

The information seems not as credible as I'd like it to be.

>life science
just end me senpai

>>9934254
I'm graduating in 6 months, good luck fucker

>>9933461
>not assuming preferential HR practices based on affirmative action

>>9934291
Don't let the numbers fool you. Most of the life science shit is pre-meds and brainlets who didn't learn anything other than trivia with their degrees.

>>9934808
I don't man. I always said these kind of things to comfort myself and just do my best to graduate my chemical engineering degree.

I ended up graduating summa cum laude with 2 internships at top tier companies and I got a grand total of one offer that had an unlivable wage (I couldn't even afford the fuel to drive to work on it) and in the last 3 years I've kept applying to thousands of jobs while doing gradschool and haven't gotten any call backs or interviews since.

I'm hoping to get into software dev.

>>9934820
now that is fucked

>>9934831
I'll be fine Anon. I've got 4 libraries on Github, 2 of which are being used by more popular scientific computing libraries.

Surely I'll get callbacks for software dev r-right?

Please just lie to me, I need hope.

>>9933455
Incredibly bored.

>BS in ecology

>>9933455
Is this statistics in India or something?

>>9935130
It says BLS at the bottom.

It's for USA.

Don't worry that much though because remember that people graduating with STEM degrees give up after a year or so.

So you just have to be in the top 25% or so of candidates.

In life sciences you're fucked, but you probably always knew that.

>>9934836
Yeah you'll get that callback, I believe in you anon.

>>9933455
>Count bachelors
>In engineering

There's your problem, if you don't have a master's you're effectively an engineering dropout.

>>9935155
This isn't the EU/UK (soon).

A masters is some times worse for your career than a bachelors in the US since it implies you couldn't find work after graduation and you also didn't do gradschool because you wanted a PhD, so you are likely a poor candidate.

>>9935155
>Make a terribly uninformed decision by studying engineering
>Double down on your bad decision and get a Masters

I did this and trust me it doesn't end well.

>working in the same field as your academic interest

>>9934836
Just b urself bro

>>9935154
>>9935174
T-thanks.

>>9933455
YES

>>9935159
So what you're saying is American HR culture is retarded

Explains the crumbling infrastructure and dead industry I guess

>>9935192
No, we're saying your universities are utter shit which is why you need a Masters to be competative.

American engineers with a bachelors get hired in Europe all the time. I have countless anecdotes.

>>9933644
Is this meant to be some kind of revelation?

>>9933455
>Mfw nobody invests in life sciences

>>9933455
>be capitalist overlord
>need to hire mathematician/scientist
>200k/yr
>be unhappy that people who spent 20 years deeply learning a subject want 200k while I, an inheritance baby, deserve more for falling out of a rich vagina
>run massive propaganda boosting stem degrees
>naive kids fall for the meme
>way more applicants than jobs
>now they all fight for 50k/yr instead of 200k

science will not be fixed until capitalism is

>>9933455
Glad I did a double degree in pure math and comp sci (though I got lucky and got a job in math).

>>9933595
I feel professors would only say that to comfort undergrads about future employment. I'm just taking electives, doing research, and hoping for the best. If I don't get employed I'll probably do something to forgive the student debt

>>9933455
So you're saying I'm fucking BASED for having an engineering job?

>>9933684
Not if you have a good CS program?
I double majored in math and CS, and to be honest, while nothing in undergrad touched analysis levels of difficulty, my advanced design and analysis of algorithms came really, really close. Most of the other CS classes had good amounts of math requirements because my program has a good amount of math in general (it’s a research university)

You pick up programming through habit and personal projects, but you study CS as an academic subject through books and problems. The exciting parts are where CS theory and physics theory (or really any natural science) intersect

>>9935711
No, because you're probably one of the fucktards who resorted to taking <80k starting salaries thus further reducing our apparent demand and dignity and letting the companies win.

If >80k starting you are indeed based though.

> be business major
> every class is effortless multiple choice everything
> infinitely employable if not an autist

>forestry still so outstandingly understaffed that you can get hired with a 2.00 GPA right out of school
feels fucking good, secure job and a legion of brainlets to do your bidding

>>9933455
>he believes anything on the internet
It's just another propaganda my corporations to get more computer nerds slaves

>>9935978
>Intern in a zoo
>forestry guys come by to measure trees
>ask them what they're doing
>"measuring trees"
Do you know why some guys would be measuring big live oak trees in the middle of a city in a zoo?

>>9936038
Guess they want those trees measured.

yeah right. is this in india or something?

>>9936038
probably just cruising the tree, generally you take the diametre at breast height (DBH), species, and make note of any forks/crooks/suckers/damage

its for inventory, they might be planning on removing them soon and want to know how much wood is there, and if it's small/large enough to be harvestable/processed
oak normally is considered a class-B tree, which means it's worthless and will be turned into woodchips or just burned right then and there
could be anything really

>>9933513

Bro I work for a state administration

We have over different 800 systems
Most are either outdated, have gaping security holes, extremely unfriendly to users or lacking essential features. We alone will provide enough work for a small army of developers for years to come.

>>9935537
Based and REDpilled

>>9934904

I just got my BS in ecology and evolutionary biology.

I really don't want to hop into a masters but also really need to pay my student loans. The earth is dying and I can't find a job.

>>9933455
Got a cushy job offer a year before finishing my PhD, so I feel good.

Keep in mind that the majority of people, even in universities, are brainlets. You can easily best those.

>>9935754
I did this. I started as CS but then wanted something less technical and switched to business. I'm fine financially but there's no joy in working for 5 hours in a day and fucking around the other 3 because your job is so easy. Deep down I know its a waste. With a science job, you might be hungry, but at least your mind is well fed.

>>9936189
kek i have 2 sem left for undergrad E&E. I will be applying to grad schools in the following months for Entomology.

Do you know GIS? Did you do undergrad research? How does your science resume look? undergrad research?

Some of the jobs i hear about the fresh B.S. grads are like considered "volunteer" jobs, so they get paid less than min wage. WTF

>>9933455
Those employment numbers are ridiculously low. I think they are only counting full-time researchers. For the Mathematical Sciences there are 106,050 jobs just in Operations Research. There are 4,261,460 jobs for the Computer and Mathematical Occupations (Major Group). This is some click-bait working as intended.

Operation Research
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes152031.htm
Computer and Mathematical Occupations (Major Group)
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes150000.htm

>>9936684
>the total number of people employed in a sector is the same thing as the number of new job openings

>>9933455
>no healthcare jobs in life sciences

>>9933455
Not Bad

>>9933455
The feel when I haven't gotten my computer engineering degree yet but make 90k a year as a full stack web dev while studying "real" sciences on my free time. Pro tip learn something that will make you money first to support ur endless desire to learn

Suicide is looking more appealing every day.

There are a lot of graduates who aren't willing to get even an internship to get experience

>>9933455
>engineering
>area if study not specified
Cherry picked

>>9936727
>>9936734
>>9936820
>>9936823
>Surely my super specific set of circumstances will allow me to succeed while everyone else fails!

>>9934254
This. HS dropout and make bank.

>>9933513
bruh computer illiteracy is extremely common. People are fucking retarded, just look at how popular iPhones are

>>9933468

Sometimes i use words i dont understand to sound more photosynthesis.

>>9936464
lol good luck bro you're fucked

>>9933513
Every business needs somebody to set up their LAN

>Tfw life sciences
>Tfw destined for unemployment

>>9934904
>>9936189
Retards
Should have went with chemistry and specialize in environmental analysis or something similar.
Even if you can't find any environment relazed job, you go to literally any lab and generally known what to do and learn differences it on the job.
Pure ecology or other biology for that matter is below feminist dance therapy.

>>9937016
I went into it knowing it wasn't employable, if I wanted money I'd be a compsci bugman right now

>>9935537
The key here is to become the capitalist overlord not his bottom bitch

>>9936348
What does a business major do? How do I get that job?

>>9935192
HR culture everywhere is retarded. Recruiter genocide when?

>tfw graduating with the only of the only life-science majors that is a large and growing industry with actual job opportunities
Have fun with your debt.

>>9937162
>posting anime
Too bad you're autistic and nobody will hire you

>>9937162
Bioinformatics?

>>9937162
there is no such field

>>9933455
How long until CS gets offshored and salaries tank.

>>9937211

>>9937333
Isn't that a bad field? Anything a bioinformatic can do a computer science major can do better.
Face it. Biology is easy and computer science and coding is hard.
Biology and medicine is NOTHING

>>9937373
Never. Code monkeys might get their salaries tanked. But the field will grow till we have AIs doing everything

I don't know how it is in the US. But here in South America CS/Software engineers get paid way less than engineers, but it also has a lot of jobs (since most american and european companies hire our (and Indias) programmers because they pay us pennies compared to the american and european programmers. Its not uncommon here to work from home for some american company

>>9936986
why do you say that

>>9936862
I mean yeah man, I pretty much automatically got into a med school because my mom was residency director for the ED at the associated hospital. I also got a shit ton of internships through my organic chem prof. Circumstance is gonna determine if you fail or not, shut like where you go to undergrad matters.

is there any life science major that won't end with homelessness?

>>9937522
That doesn't matter large scale. Not everyone has nepotism to help them out in life.

>>9933455
obviously kode has more job openings

>>9933455
>*Does not include health care occupations.
I question the validity of the image. Either get complete data or remove incomplete data so that your message is taken more seriously.

Honestly, it could be that the overall message is still valid even with healthcare jobs included. But it sure as shit makes the image feel very sketchy when the biggest difference is from cherry picked data. After all, a lot of people with biology/"life sciences" degrees will go into healthcare related professions, and the healthcare industry is massive.

>>9936862
>going into a growing field with a worker deficit guarantees failure
u r retard

>>9934261
Or just put it in your resume in white unreadable font size 1 idiot.

>>9936212
Y-yeah right haha.

>>9937333
>>9937350
Aquaculture and Fisheries management.
Thank god the earth is getting more overpopulated.

>>9938500
do you get to work at sea?
sounds good man

>>9938500
fuck yeah just took baby's marine bio class this summer. I loved being out on the boat. Caught a yellowtail tuna and we ate the shit out of it then and there. Also fresh shrimp.

Plus seeing all the crazy weird marine life from the otter trawls and IKMT

>>9933455
Feels like...

I got memed. I was lied to. STEM promoters should be drawn and quartered

>CS isn't real stem
gotcha

just cut to the chase and remove techne to trade schools where it belongs

>>9938553
>Also fresh shrimp
I can't bring myself to eat shrimp anymore, the ratio of bycatch to actual shrimp is 6:1.

>>9938539
I work in a fiord, so pretty much.
Pretty cold though.

>>9938715
not familiar with the term bycatch but at a glance you mean it's hard to catch shrimp? why would that make you not want to eat them? like if you get them they are still delicious

>>9938635
elaborate please

>>9938719
I'll explain it this way.
For every 1kg of shrimp that is brought onto the boat, 6kg of miscellaneous sealife is hauled up by accident and then thrown back dead.
And that's not even mentioning the damage done to the bottom habitat.

Shrimp trawling is an ecological disaster and completely unsustainable, and it would be hypocritical of me to support that industry.

>>9933455
* does not include Healthcare occupations....

That's like 3/4 of life science jobs right there lol, wtf?

>>9938724
>>9938500
>>9938715
I'm interested in this sort of maritime life, what can I do to maximise my chances of getting some good outdoors work in the field if I begin a bachelors?

>>9938761
During your degree you need to get out there in the environment. Either volunteering for conservation groups or working summers as a fisheries observer or field-hand.
If you don't plan on doing a research degree (masters minimum) then you'll need to work the bottom rung for at least a year which will be pretty crap and usually involves some sort of physical labour and remote location.

You'll need to let people know you are fit and eager to be out in the field, it helps if you get close to your professor(s) and help them with their research, in Marine science they always need people to just help them do surveys and monitor tanks and general stuff like that, and it's always fun to go out on the research vessels and get drunk with everybody at the dock after all day on a boat.

Oh, and learning to dive is pretty useful. And not just Open water qualification, you'll want to at least be a rescue diver, and if you like that sort of thing there are plenty of jobs for divers (at least in my region).

>>9933644
Yeah, I'm a math undergrad taking some CS classes, and my current professor was a linguistics major as an undergrad. He is now working for a computer security firm and getting a MSc in the field.

>>9937870
Based. Any other key words I should be throwing in there??? Gonna graduate soon and I gotta think about getting a job.

>>9938783
>Kalergi Plan
>Holocaust myth
>Hitler did nothing wrong
>Ted Kaczynski had the right idea
>blacks commit disproportionately more crime
see if they can find the Easter eggs

There's 2 ways to get a goob job in math/sci (cs/eng not included)
1. be a brilliant no-life (which excludes anyone who went through US education)
2. be wealthy and have connections from an ivy

Anything else is a life sentence to middle classdom

>>9933644
How come everyone seems to realize that college degrees are basically useless, but employer's still require one for every decent job?

>>9938500
What exactly was your major? How much does the aquaculture industry care about your degree?

>>9933455
Remember folks, science’s mission is to create new jobs by embarking on value-creating projects.
Do your own experiments, create your own future

>>9939282
what? how does that make you money? if you're unemployed you're a fucking failure, why even get a degree?

>>9933455
The chart is misleading, generally people don't get a degree in just math.
Math is the greatest second major ever, so everyone with a degree in some major and math is usually greatly aided in their job search due to having good analytical reasoning skills.

>>9937090
only way to do this is by starting your own company... and that is easier when you have some eco degree in addition to a stem

even when ppl brag here about the 50 or 70k yearly they get, its still slave tier compared to what the topbitches roll

pic very related

>>9937403
>Anything a bioinformatic can do a computer science major can do better.
Kind of, but then again not really. Actually knowing the biology is kind of important, also a lot of bioinformatics is just statistics, which CS-fags aren't necessarily better at.
For developing actual software having a CS background is a huge advantage though.
>Biology is easy and computer science and coding is hard.
Meh, intellectually there's not a huge difference between a low tier lab monkey and a low tier code monkey.

>>9939268
>What exactly was your major?
My degree is a bachelor of applied science majoring in "Aquaculture and Fisheries" and I also have an Economics major.

And the Industry does care because it's a very science based industry, you are working under very strict environmental legislation and with millions of dollars worth of fish so it's important that you understand and apply the science.

If you don't have a degree you'll never get above the bottom rung, and you'll certainly never get into breeding, research or management. Government jobs all require a similar major as well (the decent ones anyway).

>>9937682
Good thing we weren't talking about large scale

>>9939093
>be middle class
>make 80-100k a year
pretty decent

>>9937403
Yes and no. The issue is that for the majority of labs it's just easier to teach/learn what's specific to your project.

>>9933625
>i only pretend to be an autistic retard
ironic shitposting is still just shitposting, froggy.

>>9940129
> I also have an economics major
Do you have two degrees, or did you double major

>>9933513
this

>>9940443
Double major
My university lets you combine science and commerce.

>>9933455
/g/ chads
/sci/ virgins

>>9933455

Can math & physics major become code monkeys? or is it just a /sci/ meme ?


Employers now prefer to hire CS graduates, over self-taught dudes without a CS degree.

>>9939241
Because the degrees aren't worthless. If they were, no one would fucking pay you to have one.

>>9936925
Kekked

>>9940477
more like /g/ virgins and /sci/ virgins
the only Chad board is /out/

>>9940487
They will hire people who have the skills. Now you tell me, you spend 3 years learning math or physics, maybe do a masters or phd, and the guy straight from college from CS coded everyday for years. Which one do you think will have more projects to show for? What tips the balance is that a lot of normalfags fall for the CS meme and can't code for shit and just copy homework and barely pass classes. If the average CS student can get a job, so do math or physics graduates if they put in the effort

>>9940545
>more like /g/ virgins and /sci/ virgins
>the only Chad board is /out/
/out/ & /fit/

>>9933644

>that reply in the image

>life sciences
>12k
Hilariously inaccurate. You can find a job in this field instantly if you so much as had one internship in college

>>9935175
Just do leetcode b. 500 leetcode problems and you'd be set for most entry code monkey interviews.

>>9933513
Some code farm in India probably

>>9934291
Theyre including medfags in the total number of people studying it but including medfag occupations, which is also where most biologists end up getting employed too since that includes shit like cancer research and so on. This infograph is little more than doom and gloom misinformation.

>>9933455
STEM is a meme and it's been like this since ~2006. Anyone who has gone into STEM since then has only contributed to this problem.

>>9943058
And what`s average starting salary?

>>9937090
>lol just become the guy with all the power and all the cards dude, then you won't have to deal with being the guy without the power
toppest kek

>>9939241
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_(economics)

>>9941734
>/fit/
And that’s where you’re wrong

>>9933455
>life science
>does not include health care occupations

i feel pretty good desu

>>9943072
Oh, that's good to know. I expect a high paying salary for work as an ornithologist in that case.

>>9937162
>debt
What debt? Education is free and you get paid for having GPA above 5.0. How do get in debt?

>>9937015
i know that feel

hurr durr money is more important than knowledge

>>9933461
good luck in life when you dont have the merits to get the job you want anon

>>9933513
> t. health services

I"m in senior year highschool and computer science interests me; what do you people have against it?

>>9944483
I'm talking about yanks here
Every yank I've talked to seems to be in $100k+ in debt.

>>9933498
>Well yea, a physics/math/bio degree by itself has an academic perspective in mind.
With Physics you should do a PhD to get the interesting jobs. In the right field you are not bound to academia, an industrial career is available in several fields.

>>9933509
>Statistically speaking, you're many times more likely to end up unemployed than not.
Not him but I believe everyone of my fellow graduates got a job, or so it seems from the Linkedin profiles.

>>9940487
>Can math & physics major become code monkeys? or is it just a /sci/ meme ?
Yes. After PhD in Physics and some post docs I did programming to get rid of my student loans. About as hard work as in research, but this time I was paid for it.

>>9945392
Everyone gets memed into going to really expensive schools without having done a comparison of what you could get from a cheaper school.
And honestly, how could they?
The bias for hiring from more expensive, more exclusive schools definitely exists.

But if you go for a cheaper state school that can still give out accredited Bsc. degrees then if your family is poor enough you can literally get your degree on a full ride from the government just from the student grants that everybody (at your income level) gets

t. experience

>>9933455
Literally every engineer I know gets a job straight out of uni and most of them get one even before they finish studying. What is this bullshit?

>>9945440
The principle is that if you do not get a job right after you graduate, you are not the cream of the crop.
If you do not get a job after a year of being out of school, you are without a shadow of a doubt, a fuckup.

You can consider yourself in pretty good shape if you've already got job offers before you even graduate, but this doesn't say anything about your skills or character, beyond that you are probably not a fuckup.

It's rather simple: in engineering you aren't expected to know everything you need to know to do the job; that's fucking impossible.

It's much better to liken a student's experience in an engineering degree to military basic training.
In basic training, you spend a fixed amount of time (~8 weeks) getting torn down and built back up into something barely recognizable as suitable for doing your job.
Here, the standard is "You are probably not a retard."

After that, you do your specialized training for your actual job. You may have "joined the military"; you may have "become a engineer", but you don't actually know how to do a job.

A kid straight out of school knowing only algorithms, or only knowing mechanics, or only knowing how to operate machinery, probably doesn't know much more than the absolute basics and isn't going to know how to work in a team or fulfill the requirements set by clients.

>>9944778
>hur durr KNALEDGE will fed me

>>9945518
the unemployment rate for any degree holder is ~3%. STEM is even lower. you are just bitching about not finding your dream job right out of college.

>>9945481
>got a medical problem right after graduating
>2 years later finally able to work
>nobody will hire me because of the gap
T-thanks

>>9945280
It's the most easy STEM degree and full of normies.

>>9945533
Fuck, are you me? Seriously, what are we supposed to do?

>>9945576

>>9945617
I am not American and the army doesn't pay well enough to pay off my debt.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do.

>>9945625
Just be honest idiot, medical problems are a valid excuse

>>9945481
>isn't going to know how to work in a team
Ah yes, that advanced standard of training

>>9945617
>have serious health problems
>dude just join the military lmao
How is that supposed to work? I wouldn't qualify even if I wanted to.

>about to finish BS in Biology
Thank God my dad talked me into joining ROTC so I could do the military full time if things don't pan out

>>9945652
>le %70 face

>>9945652
Not him but look into working for the military as a civilian. DoD civilians get paid pretty damn well and they are always in demand.

>>9945660
Why are americans so obsessed with the fucking military?

>>9933455
I'm a year from getting a bachelors in ME, with no experience, and I'm already talking to people about getting an internship. I'm not even that smart. The jobs are there, it's just people want to get paid more for engineering jobs they'd hate doing.

Never has there been any implication that getting an engineering job would leave you unemployed, well, except from this asshole from the NYT of all places. Keep searching and network constantly. You'll land something.

>>9945628
How would the resume make it through the HR filter?

>>9945669
>hasn't even graduated yet
>doesn't have a single internship
>gives advice to unemployed graduates about how there's tons of jobs out there

>>9945628
I've been applying nonstop for six months now and I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that no, they're not.

>get 3.9 GPA with 3 internships
>get sick for a couple of years
>suddenly unemployable
Why do employers see ANY gap in employment so badly? How does someone go from an excellent employee to useless if they happen to stop working for a couple of years.

>>9945652
>health problems

My bad.

you think CS is piss easy, but even in 2018 it's not uncommon for half of CS freshman to switch majors or fail out. a lot of people literally can't comprehend basic shit like pointers, for loops, and objects.
then you get over that great filter, and there are an ass-tonne of shit developers who can understand basics but can only do CRUD like stuff.
anyways my point is there is HUGE demand for good programmers

>>9945667
Because the US military offers unparalleled benefits and it's always open to joining. It's not even that hard to join or pass basic training. Once finished, you get access to four years of free college along with a pretty nice housing allowance each month you're in school.

>>9945744
I always forget americans have to pay for undergraduate degrees

>>9943122
People start successful companies all the time, tankie cunt. You're just a loser.

>>9941734
/fit/ is quite literally /r9k/ on gear

>>9945764
Then why don't you do it?

>>9945759
White Americans*

>>9933455
I hope all the retards claiming engineering is a good choice will shut the fuck up now.

>>9945769
Who said I am not?

>>9945789
nice larp

>>9945688
lmao this. always love the retards giving advice about something they haven't even done yet.

>>9945792
>being this much of a loser
I've done a bunch of freelance small factory/workshop automation jobs and have a few steady sources of work maintaining and likely expanding facilities in the future. My plan is to invest into proprietary software and run a company that provides custom automation solutions. This is fairly viable because my country is currently getting a bunch of foreign investment and lots of small businesses are popping up. There is a market for this kind of service right here, right now.

Just because you're sitting on your ass doesn't mean everybody is.

>>9945764
>everyone who disagrees with me is a tankie
top kek

>>9945803
>starting a business is impossible
>I am doomed to be a wageslave

>>9945807
>the bar for something to be 'coercive' is that all other options are completely impossible
>begging the question this hard
I guess armed robbery isn't REALLY a theft because you can always try to take the robber's gun, huh.

>>9945818
>false equivalency
Starting a business is far easier and less dangerous than grabbing a robber's gun. You are a tankie because no non-retarded person would make such a dumb comparison.

>>9945879
No.
You set the bar at "all other options are impossible." Your argument is literally that exploitation is ok because there are exploiters, and beyond that all you have is innuendo.
>everyone who disagrees with me is a tankie
toppest kek m8

>tfw computer science

>>9945900
>your argument is literally
None of that. I'm saying that you aren't fate-bound to be a fucking wageslave if you don't want to be one and have enough intelligence and dilligence.
>exploitation
Nobody besides dumb tankies thinks a job is exploitation. Slavery and forced labour is exploitation, shitty wages for voluntary contracts is just supply and demand. You may think you're not being paid enough but the truth is that what you're offering simply doesn't cost more.

>>9945916
>everyone who disagrees with me is a tankie
weak
step it up hans

>>9945939
>i walk like duck look like a duck quack like a duck but i aint no duck
>muh germans
You are a homosexual communist from some hellhole British urban area.

>>9945916
>surplus labor isn't exploitation
You heard it here first, folks!
>>9945942
>I don't know what 'tankie' means

>>9945523
>dream job
>having a dream that entails being a wageslave for mr nosenberg
whenever I hear dream job I always think of some poor, cucked individual who never has any plans to escape wageslavery and fully intends to grind out shekels until old age, and it makes me feel really bad

>>9946571
Say the alternative