/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9942995
there is for the NoPorn aspect of it. too much porn fucks your shit up.

>>9942997
How so

Not sure, but there is scientific proof that thumbnail posters are retarded.

Masturbation is absolutely fine in reasonable amounts, with what experts consider a reasonable amount being no more than twice a week.

>>9942997
proofs

>>9943002
>no more than twice a week
Fucking casuals, I go twice a DAY regularly. On weekends? 6 times.

>>9943002
SourceS?

More like twice a day or even more likely "as long as it doesn't affect your every day life in a 'bad' way".

>>9943198
People are often incapable of gauging when their life is being affected in a negative way. This is exactly how bad habits are created.

>>9943002
i honestly don't know how people feel the urge to do it more than once every two or three days

>>9943001
Do you honestly not know what a thumbnail is?

>>9943201
Which is contrary to twice a day, since nobody can know if it affected anybody in a negative way

>>9943216
Agreed, but there has to be some sort of established range somewhere because my point was people are incapable of establishing a limit themselves when instructed to just make sure that it's not affecting you negatively. Just a thought.

>>9942995
No, unfortunately there is not. Unless you consider the bible science

When I fap less than once a week, my dick goes into hibernation mode. 0 libido, 0 erection. Sometimes wet dreams. Not good

>>9943251
I wish my libido would leave me be for once

>>9943203
It's different for age and from person to person. Gender doesn't have too much to do with it.

>>9943002
No, that's b
I'm actually considered an expert on this, stupidly enough.

>>9943215
A thumbnail is any image which can’t be read. This image is unreadable.

>that image
Pseduoscientific garbage.

>>9943294
Take SSRIs, they make you feel like jumping off a building and kill your libido.

>>9942997
It's too late for me famalam. Save yourself while you still can.

>>9943203
Testosterone

>>9944106
What happened?

>>9942995
There are none. All observed side effects are either bullshit or are side effects of going outside and actually doing things instead of spending life being depressed in a basement.
>>9942997
Too much of anything has negative consequences. Fixation on porn being the evil behind everything is usually because of hidden motives (eg feeling bad because you were brought up by conservative religious parents)
>>9943002
Source: my ass

Yes, it makes you more likely to develop prostate cancer.

>>9942995
NoFap is bad for prostate health. Regular masturbation or sex lowers chance of prostate cancer by 33-36 percent

https://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/does-frequent-ejaculation-help-ward-off-prostate-cancer

>>9943535
>A thumbnail is any image which can’t be read

>>9942995
hey, the text is too big, I can still read the bigger font.

>>9942995
NoFap has turned in to some form of celibacy, when the "logic" behind it, was to make you horny and more likely to get laid.
I don't think it's healthy to avoid ejaculation for a long time

>>9942995
Quit for 40 days and it wasn't worth t b h. Just do what you know is best. If you think you'll be happier not fapping, don't, if you do, do.

I've been doing nofap for a little over a month. Before I'd started, I'd never been on a date, kissed, or had sex with a girl. 31 days in and I got to second base with a sexy girl before our first date because we didn't want to wait till our planned date. I had her in my bed with titty in mouth. Meeting up again today because she said it was the best date ever. Nofap worked for me.

>>9943170
You're either 14 or have the mental age of a 14 year old and that is sad.

>>9944637
Or maybe he's on tren.

>>9943569
I'll just ask my doctor and sexologist when I need on this

>>9944182
I fucked up my height growth, now I am a sub 5'8'' midget instead of being a 6'1'' normal person.
I am being serious, the doctor projected my height when I was 7 years old as around 6'1'' plus minus one and half inch. I guess my handjob session since 11 years of age fucked me over.

>>9942997
It also gets you obese, i used to be skinny, after 12 years old, I got to 185 pounds at 5'3

>>9945483
Porn does not make you fat
Eating too much makes you fat
Put down the fork piggy

>>9945495
lost weight, it's now 2018, you fucking retard. I have 131 lbs, dropped off from 225 (in 2 years) which I had at 14 year old and 6 months. But I still don't like how I look.

>>9945508
60kg, you're not fat, there's something else. Try talking about this to your friends.

>>9944209
>Fixation on porn being the evil behind everything is usually because of hidden motives (eg feeling bad because you were brought up by conservative religious parents)

>tfw 25
>masturbate over 20 times a week on average
It's just high test r-right, surely there's nothing wrong with me?

>>9945589

Well desu , with 60kg, depending on your height, you could still e a skinnfat.

>>9946005
>write 3-4 paragraphs worth of claims and arguments
>do not provide any sources, let alone credible ones, instead just puking out pure rhetoric and unsupported ideas alongside porn that would encourage the tempted reader to break the very practice he is advocating for
so this is the power of nofap... woah...

>>9946005
>tells me not to fap
>posts images that arouses me
Nice try.

>>9946142
I've fact checked the claims and they're true, and the rest is just his experience.
It's legit, stop fapping you perv.

>>9946171
Proving his point really.

>>9942997
this shit makes me so mad that when i jerk it i make sure to seek out the filthiest, most degenerate shit possible to make up for all the betas who guilt tripped themselves out of viewing porn. you know how people say they're eating more meat to make up for vegans? i'm doing the porn version of that

>>9946005
>hmmm why do i have man boobs
>it must be because i masturbate, not because i spend 10 hours a day sitting at my computer creating d&d characters
>here let me write 3 paragraphs to prove that

>>9946277
>You know these people who sperg out? I'm doing the porn version of that!

>>9943535
are you retarded?

>>9943251
That's normal, it's called flatlining. It goes away as long as you keep it up. If anything, it's beneficial; zero libido means you can keep your streak going longer.

It pisses succubi right off, that's for sure.

>>9943203
You have low IQ

>>9946321
Electoral Quorum is a more intelligent approach.

>>9944605
> i did x and now have y, must be x

>>9946299
thats exactly what noporners are doing though you tard, anon.

>>9946005

So what's the portrait in the first of those posts?

How do I get wet dreams though?

NoFap/NoPorn begets other good habits like avoiding overstimulation (binge watching TV shows, spending too many hours playing videogames, overindulging in any pleasure basically), exercise, eating healthy, improving your mind, becoming more disciplined, focusing on your goals, improving your social life, etc.

>>9946574
>so busy with work I forgot to fap for a week or so
>get a random wet dream one day out nowhere

Haven't had one in a long time since I was in high school.

>>9946171
>aroused by paintings
Excellent taste but seriously don't masturbate

>>9942997
>claims without evidences
>/sci/ in a nutshell

>>9946574
>tfw getting wet dreams at least once every week, usually a couple of times a week, sometimes two days in a row
They get kinda boring after a while desu

Hasn't it been proven that masturbation helps against prostate cancer?

>>9947090
(((proven)))

>>9947094
proved? English isn't my first language

>>9947156
Proven is correct. It's just that the ones "proving" it are kikes promoting degeneracy, you dumbass.

>>9942997
>>9942998
>>9943121
>>9944209
>>9946277
>>9947080
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/cyber.2016.0582
this shit took me like 30 seconds to find.

>>9944637
at what point does daily masturbation stop being normal and start being degenerate?

>>9944326
>>9947090
wet dreams have the same effect without any of the weird neurodegeneracy

>>9947190
But I don't get those often enough.

>>9947081
>>9946670
Bastards. I don't get any for weeks. You guys must be highly charged.

>>9947176
>masturbation was invented and promoted by jews in an attempt to control the population

You're one mentally ill, cringey motherfucker. You should honestly kill yourself.

>>9943297
Grill here. I have 0 libido. I never felt the necessity of jerking off. I actually tried it a couple of time but after less than 5 minutes I got bored and gave up.
I'm actually in a serious relationship so I have sex with him, but just because I like to give him pleasure. I had sex for the first time with him like a year ago, and I really enjoyed it like only 5 times (never had an orgasm tho). I have heard about other women in this situation, but I never heard of man with 0 libido (probably there are some, but I guess it's less common).

>>9947242
This thread isn't for you roastie.

>>9947242
you genuinely sound asexual

>>9945483
I'm 6'4 and masturbated everyday since I was 12. Sorry you have shit genetics...

>>9946142
>>9946171
>>9946285
>it's actually unreal how you incels cope with your lack of willpower and the fact you've spent the best years of your lives draining your masculine energy to porn, alone in a dark room rotting in a pool of your own sweat. The vast majority of people on this website are porn addicts.

This applies to you.

>>9942997
It depends on the porn. If it's porn of the goddess Hitomi Tanaka, it's fine.

>>9947450
i guarantee i have higher test levels than you. gtfo

>>9942995
No.

Stop this.

>>9942995
>scientific proof behind NoFap?

No. Its total fucking bullshit ayy lmao tier

Porn gets old, take a break. Do more imagining about real women.

>>9947187
When it's daily, so always

>>9947247
> I don't enjoy sex
> Roastie
ok retard

>>9947185
>No replies
It's incredible how utterly BTFO they were.

>>9942995
there is a study that says you get a spike in testosterone after 5 days of not ejaculating, doesn't matter if it was sex or fap. but levels drop on day 6 to slightly above day 1 initial levels. deleted the study link though. its on pubmd, /fit/ might have it

>>9947506
Sure thing, bud.

>>9947808
Here's a greentext that explains it in more depth

>>9942995
Didn't work for me. I still kept up with oodles of porn because I've been a horny fuck ever since my balls dropped and even before that I was sort of into it. I tried nofap twice and I still felt the same pathetic sack of shit I was. If I try NoPorn then I'll waste my time with some other vapid shallow way.

>>9942995
testosterone is a meme

>>9947185
>Conclusions and Relevance: The negative association of self-reported pornography consumption with the right striatum (caudate) volume, left striatum (putamen) activation during cue reactivity, and lower functional connectivity of the right caudate to the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex could reflect change in neural plasticity as a consequence of an intense stimulation of the reward system, together with a lower top-down modulation of prefrontal cortical areas. Alternatively, it could be a precondition that makes pornography consumption more rewarding.

>could reflect change in neural plasticity as a consequence of an intense stimulation of the reward system

>alternatively could be a precondition that makes pornography consumption more rewarding.

>could be
>could

What a conclusive study! Wew. The only thing that this study demonstrates is the concept of neuroplasticity at work.

>>9943203
LONDON

>>9948027
>There is a study
>Does not link study

>>9942995
no, but here's some anecdotal evidence from a pretty bright guy:

"The reabsorption of semen by the blood is the strongest nourishment and, perhaps more than any other factor, it prompts the stimulus of power, the unrest of all forces toward the overcoming of resistances, the thirst for contradiction and resistance. The feeling of power has so far mounted highest in abstinent priests and hermits (for example, amoung the Brahmans)."

>>9948614
>reabsorption of semen by the blood
Not to discount the unending power of will exhibitied by abstinent priests, hermits, and the brahmin, but we know today that reabsorption of semen will provide you with a few calories from the protein and saccharides from which the semen was made, and since you had to synthesize those in your body in the first place, it's a net energy loss.

>>9948620
Of course - in terms of nutrition and calories, but Nietzsche's meaning of nourishment here echoes something deeper. Something he couldn't explain scientifically, but still felt. I believe he was onto something.

>>9948624
>>>/x/

>>9948624
I agree, but I don't think biologically it has anything to do with the semen itself, I think it has to do with the long term psychological effects of abstinence, the self-control required to practice, and the chemical changes that take place in the brain when you get your dopamine from other places, which incidentally end up being more productive than sex/masturbation.

>>9946005
is this what /sci/ considers reliable proof nowadays?

>>9948627
Wrong, see >>9948628 for a likely explanation.

>>9942995
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
>Abstinence can increase testosterone levels in around 3 weeks.
https://www.anabolicmen.com/weird-tricks-to-raise-testosterone/
>This study shows 145% of T in 7 days, probably due to evolutionary triggers to reproduce
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2605.1999.00196.x/full
>Long term abstinence (more than 3 months) have shown a significant reduction in testosterone levels

Too lazy to look for other studies, but ejaculations increases dopamine and serotonin, which make lonely people feel better (and less suicidal). Also, most studies say that people who fap are on average less likely to have sex, but this leaves the question if they fap because they don't have sex, or if they don't have sex because they fap, so I wouldn't trust those "studies".

I'm more of a naturalist myself, so if your body says it's horny, you should listen to it and get rid of the erection.

>>9947090
Since you're on /sci/, I suggest you read the studies yourself and come to your own conclusion about whether they actually managed to PROVE something or not.
Protip: their result was nutrition science -tier.

>>9942995
>scientific proof
Lrn2proof fgt pls

>>9947450
>Appeal to motive
back to pol faggot

>tfw just broke my week-long nofap streak to porn like a subhuman

End my life lads

>>9947185

>skimmed an abstract once

>>9942995
you mean to say there is a "legit" reason for all those dip shits doing that nofap shit? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

A thread about nofap and no boobs?

>>9947077
>kitsch paintings mimicking real naturalistic art
>good taste
I think not

>>9951912
Hang in there anon. Next time you lose the will just find it in you to make it to 8 days instead of 7. The periods in between will grow longer and before you know it you will be free.

yourbrainonporn.com

I know this site is trying to sell you a book, but there are tons of resources here in favor of the nofap. And is it really that hard to figure out why it's bad for you? This is the only point in human history where we have this type of access to porn. It doesn't help that we live in this economic system where people are atomized and become antisocial either. I'm still addicted despite finding some convincing research. So, now I'm thinking changing my lifestyle, finding someone I actually care about, and getting a new hobby that isn't centered around the internet. These are some things I think people should work towards if they want to end the cycle.

>>9952702
Most people who scoff at the legitimacy of this are fucking a d d l e d and don't want to admit they have a problem. You don't even have to go to straight zero, people just need to fuckin jerk it less

>>9942995
it only serves to maybe give you public boners and make you act like an idiot

maybe those people want that, they want to be some kind of retarded sexual deviant that makes unexpected advances, i don't know what kind of girl would be impressed by that but it is what they want

besides that it is a waste the body will always selfregulate and get rid of semen excess

>>9946305
The image can't be read except for the phases. It's a thumbnail.

>>9942995
i can't say anything about the noporn aspect of it, as >>9942997 mentioned, but i have never physically masturbated (as in, jerked my dick off) and i'm still a depressed piece of shit loser who spends all the time in his apartment. i still have wet dreams every other week or two at age 21.

the positive aspects stem from the self-confidence in believing the nofap placebo, leading one to go outside, interact with others more, more confidence because suddenly you're "high test", etc.

it's nothing but bullshit, now coopted by some ledditors to sell you merchandise with juvenile connotation - seriously this shit goes for 25 dollars.

>all this whinging and complaining over jacking off

I want /pol/ to leave.

>>9953048
>I am currently jacking off and this is killing my boner

didnt fap for 2 weeks, nothing changed at all.
the only advantage i noticed is not being tired as often because i actually sleep instead of wanking

>>9945483

How the hell old are you now?

>>9948027
>greentext