/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9944072
learn some python first

>>9944072
Dont you dare talk trash about ecology and biodiversity. The market values trash over life.
Yeah, learn R if you are a cuck. More importantly take the initiative to specialize yourself and go get some grant money, what do you do with biodiversity, surely you have more to prove yourself than just a degree? What do you read about? Are you good at stats? How are you as a systematist?
Put everything you got into doing good at grad school, it sounds like you are way behind if you already have a degree and aren't researching yet.

>>9944072
The only way to make money with trees is to cut a down a lot of them and then sell it so I hope in your ecology classes you had an environment devastation module and a couple of business classes in your program. Otherwise, you got a meme degree.

Also, all the trees that I've worked with in the past did not have R support so I don't know why you are learning that. Everyone knows you can only program trees with C++.

>>9944088
Yeah I dunno annon. I'm already 27 and I feel lost. I live in NZ, so thinking I might just do an MSc in agricultural science..

>>9944090
Why would you take another meme degree? Do you actually enjoy suffering? Do you really want to just dig yourself in the deepest hole possible and then just hang yourself? What the fuck? Get a real fucking STEM degree and stop being a cuck.

>>9944086
I've only done a first year paper in stats. I think I fucked up. I've been researching but it's hard to commit to something. I'm just gonna start applying for entry level bio jobs and see what happens

>>9944092
It seems like there's good demand for agricultural scientists in NZ as NZ's economy is fueled by agriculture

>>9944086
>The market values trash over life.
The market values what can actually create human prosperity over what is just a bunch of hippie feel-good bullshit.

>>9944095
True, I wish I could slap some sense into the younger me and not major in that bullshit

>>9944094
Well, if you can actually prove that then you are right and you should do that. However, I imagined that by now in agriculture the planting and harvesting was done completely by those giant robots and the only intellectual field in agriculture was playing God with Monsanto. Maybe I'm wrong but what will you actually do? Like, what is a middle-class agriculture job in 2018?

>>9944097
Well, I am a firm believer that we as humans always have the freedom to take out all the money we have in our bank accounts, then go to the bank and get the biggest possible loan we can get, and then just fuck off to Mexico or Thailand to die in an endless cycle of cocaine and child sex slaves, like God intended.

>>9944100
"Agricultural/horticultural scientists study farm animals, soils, pastures and crops to improve their yield, health and quality, and to prevent pests and disease." - https://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs-database/farming-fishing-forestry-and-mining/agriculture-horticulture/agriculturalhorticultural-scientist/

>>9944104
Ayy that's pretty good my nigga. Also sounds pretty hard to replace with robots. You may even be one of the last few to die. Should have done that instead of ecology lol. But to me, it's all the same shit. They should have taught you a little bit of that in ecology, right? Why not just apply for the job right now? Fuck college.

>>9944093
idk man, if you have a degree in biodiversity surely you have systematic interests, what kind of things do you want to study?
Idk learn botany and soil science and start modelling ecotones or something.
I hate to see someone get a degree in something so epic only to let the opportunity go to waste. Take some initiative.

>>9944095
Fak u
>>9944097
Cringe, you failed life, don't blame based life science lol

>>9944114
What's wrong with a bit of self reflection my dear?

>>9944114
>Fak u
Cringe. Stop denying reality. Listen to me, do you actually care about the environment? Do you REALLY care about it? Okay, here is your plan: Just a get a business type degree and focus your entire life on being an investor and businessman. Do this until you are a billionaire and then start the "Autistic Hippie Anon Foundation" to funnel your billions into saving the planet.

Oh, what? Too much work? Can't do that? Then you actually don't give a shit about the environment, you just wanted a reason to pretend like you are better than other people when in reality you are one of the worst types of humans that we still haven't completely nuked from reality.

>>9944126
Mate, you're right that ecology's not actually a trash subject. A lot of money will be put into preservation of the environment when it begins to become truly fucked huh ... then you have faggots like this talking shit who offer no solutions to the current/upcoming problems

>>9944126
I like to look at fish and count coral buddy, that's what I want to do. I don't like it when the things I like die.

>>9944131
>>9944130

Oh, so you would not sacrifice yourself to actually help the environment? Then you don't actually care. You care less about the environment that I've cared about some girlfriends for fuck's sake. Like even I sometimes do a little sacrifice for girls, but you won't even do that.

You are a meme. Absolute meme. Have fun using that moral currency when your youth is behind you and you no longer have the energy to have dreams while also lacking the economic stability that can carry you through the latter half of your life.

>>9944137
Blow it out your ass faggot

>>9944141
It's funny because every time I see one of you faggots I tell them the same:

Use all of your youth for economic gain. Become an investor. Start a business. Etc. Then when you are older use all the money you made to start a trust or fund that can perpetually finance environmental programs.

But no, every single time they ignore it just like you because when they are actually faced with something would ACTUALLY contribute to saving the planet, but would take a little bit of effort, that's when they start crying. Because all you really want to do is smoke weed and shitpost about how much you fucking love trees. You don't care about the environment, you care about how good you look.

>>9944147
I was hedging when you were still suckling at your momma's teat retard.
I will tell you what happens when you talk to people. . they go away, because you are an autistic asshole.

>>9944154
>I was hedging when you were still suckling at your momma's teat retard.
If that is true what is the point of your autism. What is the point of everything you said here? Why don't you just go talk with the people working in your foundation saving the trees? Go take pictures with them. Go take a couple of them and go out for whores, but pay for the really good ones. Do whatever you want. Why are you even here crying about trees?

>>9944157
Kill yourself

>>9944158
So you were just lying and are actually doing nothing. Got it. Don't worry, I knew that all along. I was just wondering how far you would push it.

>>9944160
So what do you think is the next best move for someone in my shoes anyway moit? Transition into agricultural science or carry out with an MSc in ecology?

>>9944095
Fishery collapse and desertification won't produce any human prosperity. The exact opposite, actually. What if we could meet our energy needs with improvements in efficiency and renewables? Hmmm...

>>9944090
dont you guys have a Forest Service equivalent in NZ? i know a few people who did environmental science and went on to do comfy jobs for the FS

>>9944167
As I told you before, just apply to agricultural jobs right away. I don't see someone like you benefitting at all from prolonging your education any longer. At this point, your best hope is to get a job and hope that experience and seniority is what increases your quality of life.

>>9944170
>What if we could meet our energy needs with improvements in efficiency and renewables?
Meme. I am all for renewables as long as they are actually as reliable or better than fossil fuels. I want to see a massive global market of people buying and selling stocks on the various solar farms in the world. Until I see that, renewable energy is a DEAD MEME.

>>9944174
>tfw he does not realize the main source of the problem is the economic system.
>the system which caused it, covered it up, and exacerbated it
>wants to "Fix" the environment by shitty neoliberal economics which doesn't work at all as it requires infinite growth which requires infinite exploitation of the biosphere of the planet.
>tfw when you cuck the entire human race so you can continue your boomer lifestyle

>>9944235
>tfw he does not realize the main source of the problem is the economic system.
Oh, you mean the economic system that has generated the most prosperity and also the widest middle class in human history? Oh, so that's the problem? That's good, just give me an airport and a date and I'll pay for your one way trip to Venezuela so that you can finally live the high life you deserve.

>the system which caused it, covered it up, and exacerbated it
The system that discovered and optimized the methods by which Earth's resources can be turned into useful products and tools like computers, refrigerators, etc., will be the same system that will fix whatever problems this causes. Because that's the nature of capitalism. Capitalism identifies a problem and solves it only by giving the incentive of wealth to creative young people.

>wants to "Fix" the environment by shitty neoliberal economics which doesn't work at all as it requires infinite growth which requires infinite exploitation of the biosphere of the planet.
It doesn't require infinite growth. Daily reminder that if you just save enough money you can just give that to a financial institution that will, through investments, generate a profit and use only that profit to fund the cause you lay out. You can even be dead and this process will continue. Many dead people have, to this day, their funds working for them. So it really is eternal.

I am sorry that you were too dumb to succeed in capitalism. It's okay, humanity always needs workers. I need someone that cleans the toilet I shit on. And believe me, even in communism or any other economic system you like, you would also be at the bottom cleaning the toilets. You should be happy that at least in my system you get to have a smartphone, a reliable supply of food, internet, an apartment, etc.

>>9944294
>actually thinks Venezuela is an argument, even though the majority of the Venezuelan economy is private sector
>really think "creative" trust fund kids can solve the collapsing biosphere by selling products which depends on a collapsing biosphere.
>says how capitalism has generated the most prosperity yet people still do not have access to clean water and a decent meal. Even though we throw away more food then we eat in the US.
>Making the greatest use of resources by designing products to break after a few years.
>when there more empty homes than homeless.
> realize capitalism never solves problems, only to makes money from it by any means. Case and point healthcare industry. Not wanting to cure sickness instead treat symptoms.
>not realizing the nature of capitalism is the exploitation of people and the planet.
>must realize for us to continue to survive on this planet and not die in the resource wars we need change our economic system and generally, our way of life as to not continue of ecological collapse.


Stop thinking so shortsighted and greedy. There many alternatives to our economic system. But all which strips the power from brainless pigs like you that got us into this mess liberal.

OK lads, now is about the time I'm searching for an undergraduate course to apply for. I'm interested in science, applied science, environmental science, ecology and the likes. What should I look for in a good degree, and a good university? I've heard that it doesn't particularly matter which university to choose for an undergrad so long as I intend to do postgrad at a different uni, but I can't really believe that. What factors should I take into account at this stage if I want to work in a related field in the future? I'm in Australia.

>>9944072
>I completed my biology degree majoring in Ecology and Biodiversity a few years ago
Lol'd. There's still hope if you get good at statistics, R etc. though.
>>9944095
Tru.
>>9944109
Cringe. Your larping is obvious to everybody.
>>9944170
Too bad you'll be solving exactly zero of those problems with your shitty ecology degree.

>>9944072
I'm a postdoc at a major US university with a specialization in quantitative ecology. My work primarily focuses on invasive species that affect agricultural crops. Keep that in mind as my response will be a bit biased but pretty accurate concerning this field (at least in the US):

OP, I don't think you fucked up. As other anons have mentioned, ecology can lean strongly towards quantitative techniques/methods. Learning R is a great idea as it is the standard programming language for ecologists. Of course you'll find folks who still prefer statistical programs like SAS, but that is being phased out. The next step to get a career is for you to think long and hard about what YOU want for a career. Additional study and degrees essentially relegates you to increasingly office-bound positions as you will become over-qualified for positions like field technician.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions.

>>9944648
Haha, my dude. I love it. Are you trying to say that Venezuela is not real socialism?

>>9944696
>Cringe. Your larping is obvious to everybody.
Sorry for party rocking

>>9944846
its filthy Latin American half ass wanna be democratic socialism. They pretty much nationalize industries and gave to the rich oligarchs and the poor to keep them at bay. No forsight or thought. Always thinking shorted sighted.
venezula should be fucking dubai but its a shit show. If ya gonna do something do it right .

>>9944294
>I'm Mr. Bigshot and I'm better than you but here I am talking down to stunted teenage autists on my weekend, gyu'huh!

TOP

>>9944072
Pretty much have to get a masters if you want to do anything above a field tech. You didn't fuck up if you're passionate about lol, better to be doing something you actually like than a /sci/ teen larping about doing a physics post-doc.

But for real like you gotta get a masters, it's a bio degree all those brainlets who wanted to be doctors oversaturated everything and fucked non money chasers over.

>>9945569
Dude but come on, just say the thing. Do it. Just say "Venezuela is not real socialism" like you say every single time your piece of shit system fails. But a couple of years ago? Headlines were flying nonstop: "Venezuela, the best country in the world that could never fail because of its perfect socialist policies"

Don't think we ever forget. So just say the thing so that I can laugh and then go away.

>>9945910
It's almost like. . There are modes of socialism that are dramatically different in function.
Socialism is a spectrum