/sci/ - Science & Math

why do you want to do STEM?

>>9939245
Money.

I don't ask for much. I could probably live off 45k a year

>>9939242
Dunno man, gonna start studying biomed next year. It seem hard as fuck to get a actual job as researcher in any stem field so i dont know if life would be that much easier for you if you had a stem degree. Both my dad and his brother got phds in zoology and geology and i cant say they got rich from it or ever got to work with the research they wanted...

You probably need to be a prodigy at what you are doing or do something else that doesnt have research as end goal.

>>9939251
>Money.
>I don't ask for much. I could probably live off 45k a year
Honestly, your best bet is to self teach yourself programming and build a portfolio of contributions to open-source projects

>>9939251
If money is your only motivation there are far easier things to do that'll take less time and effort for 45k. Do HVAC or something.

>>9939251
Yea if you just care about money and want it soon learn to program or become some sort of skilled laborer (hvac, maybe welding).
Programming probably has the lowest barrier to entry but you’ll spend your days taking orders to do likely uninteresting tasks

>>9939242
If money is all your after, do a trade, not sure about America, but here in Australia plumbers or electricians can earn up to 6 figures if they play their cards right

>>9939289
I even know crane operators who work a bit of overtime, they do the most relaxing job in the world and can earn over 200k

>>9939293
>they do the most relaxing job in the world
lmao

>>9939242
ha ha ha HAAAAW

>>9939242
I am sorry but it makes me so happy that you are suffering. :D

>>9939293
>>9939289
>>9939263
Kek. You people are not understanding OP. He studied liberal arts! That means he has huge bourgeoise tendencies, probably lives in a middle-class area with his middle-class parents. The reason he wants STEM is that other than making good money, it has a certain intellectual prestige that is recognized by the bourgeoisie. But a trade? For these people, trades are what Trump supporters do. They are beneath them. OP would rather suck dick than work a real job.

Seriously, what types of people do you think study liberal arts?

>>9939242
>barista for 7 years
>100k college debt
How? Is this the american dream? Unless you work atleast 2 jobs you are playing zero sum game?

>>9939370
>How?
Student loans and the ridiculous price of private Bourgeoise universities that OP attended to obtain bourgeoise prestige.
> Is this the american dream?
For the finance majors that now own OP's debt, it is the American dream. Getting your dick sucked by your secretary while retards like OP fill your pockets for doing nothing. This is the maximum expression of capitalism: The smart abusing the brainlets for free money.

>>9939364
Passionate young men that are aware of the economic challenges of not haveing a stem degree but still study what they want out of sheer love?.

>>9939251
You'll just end up as a STEM-educated barista.

>>9939373
>Passionate
Only the minority. This is evident from the stereotype of liberal arts students spending most of their time partying with complete disregard of their academic responsibilities.
>men
Kek. Mostly women and the men are already using [math] \mathbb{s o y} [/math] to turn themselves into women.

Let me fix that for you:
Lazy bourgeoise kids that believe they are above the rest and can get leisure jobs in the entertainment industry just by virtue of pretending to have passion.

>>9939242
I'm going to assume you're serious and not just trolling.

The easiest STEM majors are just as useless as your stupid liberal arts degree. I got two degrees in math (bachelor's and master's) and a minor in Electrical Engineering. Now I work as a software engineer. I've never worked in service industry. I'll list off some tips.
>1) Trade school
If you want to make money, just go to a fucking trade school and get a real job. Get your head out of your ass in thinking that in order to make $45k you need a college degree. Seriously, what kind of bullshit is that?
>2) Assuming no trade school...
Probably the first thing you should get into your head: the reason STEM is valuable is because most people are terrible at it and fail, so good workers are scarce. You're probably not different. Getting a degree will be difficult and you will probably not like it. The reason minimum wage jobs exist is because literally any idiot could do what you do.
>3) If a STEM job pays, that major major has Math in it.
Any job that pays well and has security in STEM will rely on the M part quite a bit, at least for your college courses. Meaning you will have to learn a lot of math. When I see students, the trend is pretty clear. The less math and more blind memorization they have, the harder it is for them. If you don't like math, you will be miserable in school. That said your job will probably have less math after graduation.

>>9939364
Yeah, I get that you're probably right. Hell I have 2 degrees and a minor and it only cost me $40k. I have no idea how OP spent so much money on something so useless. They probably have no ability to analyze their situation and finances.

>>9939251
If you cant convert a college education of any kind into 45k a year you are retarded.

>>9939340
8/10

>>9939381
Of the liberal arts majors I know, the majority fit your stereotypes.
These fuckers go out and get degrees with literally no concept of the
reason why they are getting those degrees.

Also, great use of [math]\mathbb{onions}[/math].

>>9939242
People around here refer to the "STEM meme" for a reason. Ask around - you probably know some low-wage workers who majored in math or physics. Shit's hard for everyone.

>>9939401
oh i see what it is:
[math]\mathbb{s}\mathbb{o}\mathbb{y}[/math]

>>9939403
You have learned, good boy. /sci/ is the least cucked board because you can use LaTex to bypass all of their autistic filters. You will never catch me falling victim to a cuckfilter.

>>9939242
What do you mean by science background? Everyone enters college with no background other than highschool

>>9939397
How does one convert a Literature degree in 45k/year? Asking for a friend.

>>9939421
step one, go to a job websites
step two, search for a job which pays over $45k and requires any college degree
step three, apply

>>9939421
Become a prostitute and charge 123.29 for sex. That price is low in most areas so you'll definitely get clients every day. You just need to fuck one per day and that will add up to more than 45k a year.

As for how to integrate your education, easy. You can use your background in literature to break the ice with the kind of autistic people that read fiction and then just discreetly tell them that after the conversation and the cup of coffee, they can get their dick sucked for 123 bucks.

>>9939424
>any college degree
Are you sure I could impress employers from a completely different sector with a BA in Romanian-English Literature?

>>9939433
You are having trouble understanding that post. A job which requires any college degree does not need a particular subject. Any will do.

Are you sure you have an education in literature? You appear to have trouble reading.

>>9939251
study mechanical engineering m8 :)

its stem, easy and you will be paid good.

>>9939425
That is a good price, a nice flat rate. Also don't be dick and try to rip off your johns.

>>9939437
I've been lurking on local job sites for a while but I've never seen a job opening for all kinds of graduates, so the way that was formulated was kind of counterintuitive.

>>9939442
Well if nothing fits that description in your area, you might need to do something like >>9939393 .

>>9939438
good taste in jezebels

>>9939442
I don't believe there is any particular degree needed to become a teacher or librarian, aside from whatever state qualifications you might need.

>>9939447
Well that's what I've been thinking of doing, unless I strike gold or something, since STEM is out of the question for a brainlet like me. I'll probably get a comy midle school teaching job and live a wholesome but poor life.

>>9939456
You can become a pharma sales rep. Good money if you can push enough sales, and there is no background required. Even political science majors are hired. All you really need is to not have sympathy for poor people.

>>9939421
Mass apply to any and all jobs that pay what you want. Much of industry encompasses jobs which are trained for post employment.

>>9939456
Christ you are retarded, you have no idea what you are talking about but are already forming a conclusion. I work in a nuclear power plant, the overwhelming majority of people who work their dont have degrees in STEM but they virtually all have degrees. They all make 70k a year as a basement.

>>9939421
Publish stuff and/or teach stuff, it's not that hard.
t. ChemE fag trying to break into the lit world

>>9939242
Trust me bud you are not that smart to make money of STEM.
Not just book smart but in life general so STEM is definitely a no no for you.
Maybe lab tech or something that is skilled labor.

>>9939251
Go to trade school and learn how to weld. It’s good money without having to pay a lot for the instruction. If you still have an interest in science past imaginary salaries (which don’t exist, by the way), self study and read books

>>9939364
Nothing wrong with liberal arts other than you can make no career off of it past academia

Dude, I don’t think OP is beneath easy money for little labor

>>9939402
Going into science (read: not STEMgineering or industry CS) is a big risk at the moment since we don’t really think about paying academics for their work like we did about 40-50 years prior

>>9939242
if you want a job go to a trade. STEM is not just a block of time, it is a lifestyle.

>>9939456
It’s not that you’re a brainlet; it’s that it’s ill advised to do a STEM degree for the money. Science doesn’t pay (because it’s mostly a passion career) and engineering is oversaturated. Good, interesting CS jobs use a lot of hard math and deal with things from everything in engineering to customer service. Doing a STEM undergrad degree AFTER incurring 100k in debt will only drive you into a corner where the debt will always be over your head

>>9939242
I hate my life too and am in STEM if that makes you feel any better.

So what should I do if I'm in it solely for the money?

>>9940498
Sales

I'm graduating with a maths degree next year
Will I be unemployable

>>9939251

If you don't love it then seriously man, don't do it. Getting a BSc in Geology might mean you get to be a lab schlep running tests all day for shit wages. If you want to move up you need a Masters - now you're in for a total of 6-8 years of your life before it can even begin. Doing something that you've never had the slightest interest in, because it might make some money maybe possibly. Dumb decision.

If you don't care, look at trades. Electricians and plumbers make more money, faster than any STEM will do - sure you might make six figures once you hit 40 in STEM but you could have been doing the same for a decade already as an electrician. If money is all it's about, don't fuck up your life with science. It's a hard and unrewarding road unless you love it to start with.

t. PhD

>>9939242
>majoring in the liberal arts in america
I get following your dreams and all, but holy fuck man couldn't you have at least double-majored in whatever you studied and STEM? You'll be repaying that debt for years

>>9940566
Tradies work longer hours with fewer benefits, and generally come home exhausted and dirty. Really not worth it when any degree can move into a sales/office job that pulls 50-60k and benefits with ease.

Atleast know some basic classical physics at very least

>>9939242
Go do an apprenticeship in construction and fuck off, moron

>>9939242
>>9939251
Choose something you genuinely find interesting and can tolerate. Don't do it for the money

>>9939364
>Conservatives are now trying the class warfare route
>But they think Sociology is jew science
Have fun with that one.

>>9941853
Unless it's History.
DO NOT GET A DEGREE IN HISTORY

this is why boomers are scum of the earth told everyone they should go to college.

>>9940566
this

i'm on my second postdoc and my girlfriend is paying off my student debt and making sure I can feed myself and pay rent.

t. PhD

>>9939242
>Geology
>Just rocks

Lmao. Geologists get paid bank to find oil and resources to mine. If that shit was so easy tons of people would do it.

Why not be a hydrologist? They just deal with water.

>>9939242
This is too much of a cliche. Youre roleplaying, right?

>>9941880
which field?

>>9941903
>>9940970
>>9939289

OP here, there is no way I'm going to do a trade. Like someone else here suspected, I'ld rather suck dicks for a living. I'm just way too fragile to do physical labour.

>>9941992
>I'm just way too fragile to do physical labour.
Get a load of this sissy faggot. No wonder you settled for a liberal arts degree.

You have 4 options at this point:
>go back to school and blow away another 100k for some shitty STEM degree that may or may not serve you well in the long run
>become a NEET and eternal disappointment to your parents
>go to trade school and become employable, make decent to good cash
>suck dicks for a living

I suggest you settle for the 3rd option. Hit the gym if you're so weak, FAGGOT.

>>9942069
Man if I went to trade school but also sucked dick on the weekends I would be flush.

>>9939242
I think your best bet is going to one of those bridge RN programs. They're usually 2 years in length and you'll get your BSN if you already have a bachelors. Not science, per say, but you'll have a guaranteed job with a respectable income (50-80k) in a short amount of time

Do it at a local state college, too, or use Starbucks ASU online program. 100k/debt is already waaay too much for undergrad

>>9941856
Identifying the different interests of different classes is not class warfare. I recognize how the bourgeoisie is more predisposed to liking open borders because the poor, immigrant criminals will never make it to their gated communities, but that doesn't mean that in retaliation I want to appropriate their wealth. I just want them to know that they are wrong, unless they want to build the miner Billy Bob Jimbo an apartment inside their upper class gated communities of course.

>>9939251
Go be a bartender in Las Vegas, or any big city. If you stick with it and don't get addicted to sex or drugs, it's relatively easy to make six figures.

>>9942069
Nobody has mentioned law. you could be a shitty consultant making little and working like a mule

>>9939242
When I take my English comp, my teachers taught me to back up my facts with a credible source like google scholar. You need to back up your claim if a college degree in liberal arts really does lead up working at McDonald or end up in debt.

>>9940532
Do you have any industry experience?

I have come to the realization that it is extremely easy to become rich if you live in a first world country. For the purposes of my argument, assume that you have the lowest level of human intelligence impossible as to rule out the privilege of being a genius:

As a kid:
>Make sure to pass all of your classes, doesn't matter with what grade. Just don't repeat.
>Try to have a clean record, a couple of detentions here and there are okay. Nothing bigger than that.
>Don't do drugs or fall for other jewish tricks like fancy shoes
>graduate high school at the expected age
College:
>Use your average test scores to get into an average university
>major in the high paying fields that exist in engineering or business. These fluctuate so you will need to do at least one google search.
>get average grades
>graduate without honors or anything, but be sure that you graduate in 4 years.
post-education:
>get literally any job in your industry, settle for only a small percentage error below the average salary. Don't expect 6 figures but also don't let someone hire you for peanuts. Let's assume that you get 70k, which is a low estimate assuming you picked the right engineering or business
>Don't spend too much, try to save up as much of your salary
>Once you have a significant amount of money (just a couple of years) go into your bank and ask them to just sign you into those literal 0 risk investments that also have low-interest rate but if you have good money, generate a nice bonus.
>repeat this until you are 30

And there, you are now probably a millionaire and we have assumed that you did not take a single risk in your life. You just did things that were guaranteed to succeed. Now, if you have a little intelligence then you can get creative. Instead of going for 0 risk investments with your bank, why not just take out all of your money and start giving out payday loans or similar ventures? They are riskier, but short-term loans almost never fail. And go up from there.

>>9941992
Physical strength has nothing to do with it. You're a rich kid who wants the status of a white collar job without the brains nor drive to attain it yourself and blame your shitty degree as a result. Your cocktail-sipping, Lexus-driving parents are ashamed of you. End yourself and spare the rest of the world your disgusting presence.

>>9942135
>inbred neo-nazi shill
No one wants your advice, 70 IQ troglodyte

>>9939242
Get into management at your coffee shop, then get an MBA, then get a real job. STEM is too much work to be worth it for the shekels alone.

>>9942165
>brains
>drive
>actually attributing positive characteristics to the mindless, greedy sheep who go to school for high-paying jobs
Jesus

>>9942135
Shit man why didn't I know this back in the day

>>9942188
>Shit man why didn't I know this back in the day
Well, obviously because of the jews. Unfortunately, we can't turn back time but what you can do is have children and then tell that to your children. That's the reason why rich families continue to be rich throughout the generations. All of their children immediately get red pilled when it comes to business, finance, and investments.

>>9942192
You have a literal 80 IQ spouting nothing like it's wisdom. Back to pol.

While we're on the topic, whats the most /sci/ trade? Electrician?

>>9939242
>How to do a STEM degree with no science background
Becoming a Computer Software Developer
(aka Filthy Code Monkey)

>>9942188
It's just not appealing to anyone who isn't a terrible person. What's the point of being alive if you have an average life doing boring, meaningless things? What's the point of saving money? So you can have it for when you're old and the part of your life worth living is already over? Why not just drive off a cliff instead?

>>9942195
I have a slightly higher IQ but that's okay. Let's say I have 80 IQ. In my honest opinion, 80 is absolutely subhuman so I am basically a neanderthal. And even then, just by following that path, I'm making six figures like it was nothing. Me! A fucking 80 IQ subhuman neanderthal!

Thank you for proving my point, good man.

>>9942183
I see brains and drive more as tools rather than an inherently positive characteristic. I'd reckon a lot of people with intelligence and drive are real shitty people, as you say. My point was calling out OP for wanting the white collar status and being an entitled pick in general

>>9942198
But it's good advice
All that meaningfulness stuff can be developed on top of a strong foundation

>>9939242
>Something easy like geology or something? (its just rocks).


Geology still a lot harder than any of the shitty classes you took in your Liberal Arts college.

Geology take Calculus just as Economics or any STEM major.

& Geology requires more math than Accounting & Biology.

>>9939242
>Something easy like geology or something?
(its just rocks)

Me Grug from Geo tribe
Geo tribe Grug offended

>>9942195
>You have a literal 80 IQ spouting nothing like it's wisdom. Back to pol.
He's right though. Many kids get lost along the way because they don't see what's worth fighting for. The society they've built is bullshit.

>>9939372
>The smart abusing the brainlets for free money.

But they're also abusing the smartlets.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z30QqiA9s8U

>35:08

>>9942135
>get any job in the industry
And this is where it all comes undone

Not OP, but will jump in... Is there any money in PLCs? I turn 30 on Sautrday and am going back to the fancy trade school near me for "electrical engineering technology". I really like math (90s in pre-calc and algebraic physics...) and am looking forward to learning more. Can one earn a decent living with this course? Looking online it seems like learning everything I possibly can about PLCs/specializing in them can yield quite a lot of money, if I play my cards right and manage to get into the field... any EEs know what the demand for PLC specialists/technologists is like?

>>9939834
This is the correct answer.

>>9942196
None, they’re all shitty and will be automated soon

>>9942679
AutomatedAutomatorAutomation.Exe

>>9942135
>Once you have a significant amount of money (just a couple of years) go into your bank and ask them to just sign you into those literal 0 risk investments that also have low-interest rate but if you have good money, generate a nice bonus.
Replace this with index funds/vanguards/retirements/etc. They have much much better returns and are safe if we are looking at that big of a timeline.

>>9942125
Not anon but I've done two software engineering internships at medium/large sized companies. But I still prefer analysis over any coding 100%. My parents want that big silicon valley salary as a code monkey but my mind is telling me no. What should I do?

>>9943033
Get a research job where you use analysis in CS
aka
Analytical Combinatorics by Flajolet and Sedgewick
http://algo.inria.fr/flajolet/Publications/book.pdf

>>9939364
this guys gets it

>>9939373
>still study what they want out of sheer love?.
>it costs $150,000 to read books and peoples' opinions on said books

>>9941880
>my second postdoc
Don't postdocs pay like $40-60k? How the fuck are you not able to pay for your own shit?

Also, don't postdocs count towards delaying student loans?

>>9941856
I don't think anybody who has looked into sociology would consider it a science except in the loosest sense of the word.

>>9939242
No. You fucked up your life by being dumb enough to believe $100k was a good price for a liberal arts degree. You deserve to be miserable. The only good you can give back to humanity is to be an example of what not to do.