/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9923032
it gives you throat cancer from eating pussy

>>9923033
the vaccine or hpv itself?

>>9923032
Get the vaccine. HPV can be harmless to you, but you can be a carrier and give it to someone who it will be harmful for.

>hpv has worse outcomes for women than men over the long term
>higher rates of cervical cancer and endometriosis from hpv don't affect men
>slight increase in risk of much rarer genital cancers in men from hpv
>men are encouraged to get the vaccine primarily to prevent the spread to women ie. herd immunity

>>9923035
HPV itself. Head and neck cancers in younger males are becoming progressively more HPV + cases and less due to smoking. You can also get anal cancer.

Any STD existing for more than a single generation is solid evidence that humanity needs to be exterminated desu.

>>9923036
>implying OP has sex

You forgot what website we are on

I got the vaccine but need two more over two more months apparently. How safe is it for me to oral in the erstwhile?

>>9923248
kek'd

>>9923032
HPV has a correlation with throat cancers, though the risk is certainly not as strong as the cervical cancer rates in females. It’s main benefits are to females, though males contribute to herd immunity. It’s use in females will cut 70% of cervical cancer cases.
There really isn’t a reason to not take the vaccine though. Other than the usual vaccine side effects of a rare headache or fever, the HPV vaccine doesn’t present any health risks for a healthy person.
The targets of the vaccine are primarily the HPV viruses strongly linked with cancer, and so won’t be effective on all types of genital warts. For example, Gardasil won’t protect you against 10% of genital warts.

>>9923032
gay vaccines turn frogs autistic.

Literally the worst vaccine created
https://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm111263.pdf
There were no reactions after 5 days so they said it was completely fine with only mild side-effects.
No true placebo or control group.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/12/06/28-women-miscarry-after-receiving-hpv-vaccine-gardasil-fda-says-no-reason-to-re.html

Roll up those sleeves

>>9923917
What kind of an idiot gives a shit about miscarriages after receiving a vaccine?

When you vaccinate 30 million people a year, tens of thousands of them are going to get health problems the exact same day they got the vaccine. And it doesn't matter if the vaccine is just a placebo or a HPV one.

That's because ordinary people get health problems no matter what, and there are only 365 days in a year. If an average person gets only 1 health problem a year, you will have 82 192 people complaining about health issues on the same day they received the vaccine.

>>9923932
You're right, we should just stop safety testing all drugs in a controlled study. People get cancer and heart diseases all the time so theres no point in seeing whether the people who took the drug had the same rates as those who didn't take the drug over a long period of time.

>>9923917
You are aware that there have been placebo controlled studies of HPV vaccines?

For example:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24780368
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25424918

>>9923941
Are you stupid perhaps? I said nothing about not testing drugs. I pretty much implied the exact opposite.

The fact that there will always be health problems in a large group of people anyway is the exact reason why we need to have controlled studies so that we can get a background level to compare against.

>>9923945
>placebo
>another vaccine
Try a saline injection and then we'll talk

>>9923950
How about try reading the studies you were linked a few minutes ago?

"Sexually naive boys and girls aged 9 to 15 years (N = 1781) were assigned (2:1) to receive HPV4 vaccine or saline placebo at day 1 and months 2 and 6."

>>9923950
Also, are you dumb enough to think your picture has anything to do with the conversation or vaccine effectiveness? Logic must not be your strong suit if that's the case.

>>9923970
In 7 clinical trials (5 Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate [AAHS]-controlled, 1 saline placebo-controlled, and 1 uncontrolled), 1
Across the clinical studies, 258 individuals (GARDASIL N = 128 or 0.8%; placebo N = 130 or 1.0%) out of 29,323 (GARDASIL N = 15,706; AAHS control N = 13,023; or saline placebo N = 594)
Holy shit, you cant be this dumb can you, a saline placebo of 600 or so compared to 28.7k that got the vaccine or vaccine alternative. Also I'm just linking random pictures because I can, they don't have anything to do with what I'm specifically saying.

>>9923984
Why would you compare the 600 saline placebos to 28.7k and somehow think that it's not enough because there is a big difference in numbers? Why would you lie about there not being a true placebo group when there was one?

There's nothing wrong with having a non-saline placebo anyway. The point is to see if the new vaccine has a detrimental effect on health and we already know that the control doesn't have one be it saline or something else.

>>9924013
>being this retarded
They are clumping them together with AAHS which is not a true placebo, this is pure data manipulation.
>The group who got heavy metals injected had the same rates of health issues as the other group who got heavy metals injected into them
If the point is to see detrimental health how do you know how many people are having health issues as opposed to those who got nothing?
They wont do a saline injection study because it would be a vax vs unvaxxed, which they refuse to do because it would clearly show how damaging the vaccine is and they wouldn't be able to hide it.

>>9924021
Do explain why they couldn't simply clump them together. How is this "manipulation" since you just said that the saline group was way smaller than AAHS group. What was the effect of this decision?

Also, what is the damage that you see in the AAHS controls compared to the saline controls?

>>9924028
>a group that got injected with heavy metals had the same rates of health issues as another group that got injected with heavy metals
You can't clump them together and pretend like they have the same rates, the effect is them saying that the "placebo group" had the same rates as the vaccine, a.k.a the saline and AAHS rates are the same.
The damage is that AAHS is filled with garbage, the same garbage that is found in the vaccine, only without the virus. Why do we not compare somebody who DOESN'T get the garbage with somebody who does, hence the saline injection.

>>9924032
You do realize that (because you are suggesting that AAHS is damaging) clumping saline together with AAHS would mean that the vaccine is shown as MORE damaging (than it would be if no clumping was done)...

They also did compare the "garbage vs saline" also so what is your problem exactly? There weren't any signs of damage in that study either.

>>9924056
No, it shows less damage because the numbers of the AAHS and saline are combined, there was only 1 saline group and they hide the actual number of people, so they compare the 1 group of saline + the other AAHS groups against the vaccinated group, this hides the saline from being compared to AAHS.
They only compared the garbage vs saline for 1-5 day adverse reactions for pain, swelling, Erythema, pruritus, and bruising.
>Adverse reactions that were observed among recipients of GARDASIL, at a frequency of greater than or equal to 1.0% where the incidence in the GARDASIL group was greater than or equal to the incidence in the AAHS control or saline placebo group, are shown in Table 5.
They are combining the AAHS and saline here, meaning the only adverse effects looked at are them comparing the GARDASIL group with the AAHS group + saline which is a tiny portion, there is no comparison of the saline to the GARADASIL or AAHS for the serious adverse reactions.
>Deaths in the Entire Study Population
>Across the clinical studies, 40 deaths (GARDASIL N = 21 or 0.1%; placebo N = 19 or 0.1%) were reported in 29,323
1 person died in the saline group but it was such a small group that it's an unrealistic comparison so we cant even look at that and compare them.

My problem is that they are comparing garbage to garbage and saying "The events reported
were consistent with events expected in healthy adolescent and adult populations." no shit they were consistent.

I want a true vax vs unvax, true saline placebo studies with similar sized groups in 1:1 ratios.
give me this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3505292/

>>9924075
Clumping doesn't hide anything because the saline group is so small compared to the AAHS group anyway. They would unclump it (leave saline out of it entirely) if they wanted to make the vaccine seem safer than it is.

I'm guessing that your main argument is that the comparison between saline and gardasil didn't look at the most severe effects. Looking at the tables I don't see that they did it here. There could be a good reason for it, perhaps one being that AAHS was a good enough comparison because it was know to be safe from some earlier studies (saline vs AAHS). So are you sure there haven't been any studies on AAHS?

Post-market studies don't show any damage but I do agree there should be large enough placebo studies before-market and that non-saline placebos should have saline comparison done before being accepted as a placebo.

>>9924106
They purposely wont do a large saline group, they only included a small saline in this study to pretend they did a real saline placebo study.
This is the problem, we don't have any studies that compare vaccines/AAHS/other garbage variants to a saline injection, they outright REFUSE to do it because they deem it "unethical"
>Any experiment based on withholding vaccines from children has been considered unethical, and observational studies would likely be confounded by differences in the health care-seeking behaviours of under-vaccinated children. Thus, no study directly comparing rates of autism in vaccinated and unvaccinated children has been done. However, the concept of vaccine overload is biologically implausible, vaccinated and unvaccinated children have the same immune response to non-vaccine-related infections, and autism is not an immune-mediated disease, so claims that vaccines could cause it by overloading the immune system go against current knowledge of the pathogenesis of autism. As such, the idea that vaccines cause autism has been effectively dismissed by the weight of current evidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT6ABaWN3gA
Post-market studies are also bullshit, they are literally testing on the human population which goes against the nuremberg code.

http://www.pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=109896&sid=1
>Under WHO's revised manual on AEFI, only those adverse reactions observed during clinical trials of a vaccine, should be classified as vaccine related. All new serious adverse reactions including deaths seen during post-marketing of the vaccine should be considered as ‘coincidental' or ‘unclassifiable’, and the vaccine should not be blamed.

If there are sudden spikes of adverse reactions after the introduction not seen in trials then the vaccine cant be blamed, like groups that may have a reaction, those with asthma, heart conditions, etc, we dont test those during trials.

>>9924150
Limit
>no study directly comparing rates of autism in vaccinated and unvaccinated children has been done.
>the concept of vaccine overload is biologically implausible
>the idea that vaccines cause autism has been effectively dismissed by the weight of current evidence.
They've never compared vaccinated vs unvaccinated, they "assume" there is no such thing as too many vaccines because they've never done studies comparing many doses to few or singles. They have never studied it but they do not BELIEVE it could happen therefore it does not happen.

>>9923032
I can't speak for the vaccines's effectiveness. However I'm aware that in Australia they've recently introduced compulsory HPV vaccinations for middleschoolers. The government is confident that they'll see decreased rates of HPV in Australia over the course of the next 10 years; Present in the youth.

One injection that no virgin would have to take gives you a life time of expensive arthritis therapy. Does the manufacture of Gardasil make arthritis therapies?

>>9923950
>Try a saline injection and then we'll talk
I kicked the habit years ago.