/sci/ - Science & Math

Maths is a subcategory of computer science.

>>9915432
>>>/g/tfo

>>9915437
Which is a subcategory of logic

>>9915664
Which is a subcategory of philosophy

>>9915745
ok now Im triggered

>>9915432
Most of my former friends have PhDs or are working towards them. I am a loser deadbeat. Relax anon, everything is going to be alright in the end. Acquire a taste for alcohol. You'll stop caring after a while.

>>9915432
Is it interesting/do you recommend it?
I was thinking about doing Maths & Compsci joined degree or just Computer Science depending on how masochistic I feel by the time I finally decide to apply

>study algebra at the math department
>girl asks me about my field
>"I-I study a-analysis..."
It's not fair bros, I don't want to lie but I don't want to be laughed at either

so you study Category Theory?

>>9915664
Which is a subcategory of math

>study type theory
>math department thinks you're a CS fucking shit
>CS department thinks you're a Haskell weenie that enjoys the smell of his own farts

>>9915432
normies love computer science because of AI. Just pretend you are interested when they bring it up.

>>9915437
>>9915745

>>9915432
If you tell Normies that you research Artificial Intelligence / Machine Learning / Big Data they will say "whoa, that's cool"

>>9915956
>CS major not talking
Ubër kek

>>9915882
Unlikely. My guess would be computation or complexity theory. Maybe algorithms?
OP tell us, I'm interested.

>>9915956
Christcuck fuck off

>>9916897
Schozo back to >>>/pol/

>>9916884
'Theoretical CS' generally means complexity theory, which is a really interesting field. This Harvard preprint draft provides a nice overview of complexity theory https://www.math.ias.edu/avi/book

Of course there is a ton of research up for grabs in 'CS', like floating point is still not completely figured out yet and is an active research area.

>>9915862
Why not just say you study Abstract Algebra? Fucking blows normies minds that such a thing exists.

>>9918211
its literally useless as soon as it becomes more abstract than deciding how much computing power you need lol and how to make it more efficient

>>9918211
Theoretical CS encompasses a huge amount of topics and problems. You can work in classifying problems in physics and quantum information. You can do derivations for a formula for pi in hex. The list goes on.

Theoretical CS is hard to get into, but it can break you into some really unique research, from algorithms to natural computation.

>>9915432
what the cunt is theoretical cs

>Study computability theory
>so like computers

>>9918284
A lot of this field is less about developing feasibility and more about CS as an actual formal science.

Though former or later you find a practical way to do things. It’s almost uncanny

>>9918303
>hurr durr CS is dumb
>I’ll shitpost everyday
>brainlets, all of them
...
>you’re telling me there’s *theoretical CS?*

>>9918312
who the fuck are you quoting imbecile, it was an honest question

actually computer science in german countries is called informatik = information + mathematik

so its literally just mathematics but focussed on information theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExkUsQDhHDQ

>>9918323
It’s the study of algorithms, of theoretical models of computation and computers, of the structure of computation and determination, and of the surrounding mathematics and science.

It isn’t necessarily concerned with the development of tools and methods that run on computers. It’s mostly concerned with the origin of problems, how much we they are solved, and what, behind the superficial premises and motivation, makes problems similar.

>>9918284
Not exactly. We did lots of research on theoretical models of AI in the 60s. Only now did that seemingly pipedream research turn into easy ML solutions. We’re *still* researching on new models. The same goes for quantum computation research.

>inb4 video about interference and the lack of error correcting codes
>he hasn’t read about promising research in topological qubits made of entangled quasi particle anyons

There is no such thing as "theoretical CS" since _all_ of computer science is theoretical.

I understand your confusion, thought. Many people erroneously call things like programming and software engineering "computer science," when in reality you don't even need to have a degree in CS to pursue a career in software development. Most CS grads just apply to software jobs because that's where the money is currently.

>>9918423
Memes aside, this is mostly true. Your average CS undergrad isn’t that smart, but you have a handful of actually amazingly bright grad students who do some great research

>>9915956
This image is and will always continue to be absolutely stupid

>>9918356
Would you say CS is more respected as a mathematical science in Germany?

Theoretical CS is just math

>go for CompE cause too brainlet for what I wanted to do in EE (RF)
>not just an embedded code monkey
>still better than CS

>>9918905
CompE is a fine field, but I don’t get get this idea that it supersedes CS as a field. One is concerned with the construction of computers and components, and the other is concerned with solving classes of problems with theoretical models. Where does this meme that one is software engineering and the other is hardware + software engineering come from? I’m in an American uni of all places and this isn’t the case.

>>9918926
At a lot of universities, CompE is literally just a CS degree but better. I quite literally had to take every CS course that was compulsory of CS guys from CS101 all the way down to operating systems & compilers, and then on top of that I took a bunch of embedded focused courses (microprocessor development, CPU architecture), and a ton of EE courses.

>>9918949
What about theory courses?

>>9918949
This is straight not true. I don’t see any compE take courses in computational complexity, in advanced algorithms (think randomness extractors and algorithms using things like hilbert curves), or in advanced compilers courses. I had compE people take my architecture and OS design courses with me, but they only had a “need to be aware of the existence” basis of knowledge of actual CS.

>>9918949
I’m in CS and did a lot of embedded programming and some parallel stuff, as far as methods of computation go. Funnily enough, the CS architectures courses were harder than the EE ones. I think engineering and science engineers need to stop calling CS a coding based major; i went to a top uni, and it was mostly theory (we had long lists of math and some physics requirements), long projects, and some hardware design

>>9918323 >>9918303
Theoretical cs studies Algorithms.

It's math heavy & Too had for 98% of Code monkeys.

But uses less math than other harder CS fields such as:
>Numerical Analysis
>Quantum Computing,
>Control & Automation,
>Signal Processing,
>Artificial Intelligence
>Data Science.

>>9919102
Quantum computing is a part of theoretical CS. Most of those sub fields have some study in theoretical CS.

>>9919102
Algorithms is one area of Theoretical CS
That’s because algorithms are found in almost every field of theoretical CS

Numerical analysis leads to efficient algorithms to solve lots of hard problems. Quantum computation theory needs complexity research on brand new algorithms such as those on cryptography, etc.

>>9919102
Lol data science is mostly statistics. It’s not too hard; it’s just that we need people who know how to sift through large sets of numbers to derive some meaning out of them

>>9919102
Also I forgot

Cryptography
Computer Algebra Systems
Mathematical Optimization
Operational Research
Computer Graphics

& Computational Science
(CS applied to Physics, Biology, Chemistry, Economics, Astronomy, Engineering etc)

>>9919157
>Lol data science is mostly statistics
Code Bootcamp monkeys don't know Statistics.
& Half of CS graduates from Meme tier State Unis suck at it.

>>9919179
A lot of these have theoretical components studied in theoretical CS. Like it’s been said a few times before, quantum computing IS in theoretical CS.

Also duh, meme tier university students got a meme tier education. Everyone from competitive schools, state or private, has a good grasp of stat

>>9918356
> Computer Science in German transliterates to English as a portmanteau of information and mathematics

>Therefore the study of computer science is just mathematics focussed on information theory

Hey I've created a language that transliterates your name into English as 'an idiot'

>theoretical CS being used to study quantum gravity
>could possibly answer quantum and relativity disagreement by studying black holes

Read Susskind’s work. Dude, theoretical CS, from computational complexity to algorithms, is fucking cool. I want to work in quantum information myself.

>>9915432
Seek interdisciplinary work. CS theory is being used to study a lot of traditional fields. The results are pretty metal.
source: human genome project

>>9919237

its literally called information mathematics you dumbass

>>9915432
On old friend of mine did a masters in maths teaching for secondary school

He told people he did a masters in maths

Disgusting creature he was

>>9919308
>>9919723
Thirding this.
I mean, just look at this thesis:
http://www.math.ias.edu/~avi/STUDENTS/dathesis.ps

>>9919829
Oh wow
I mean, what do you do with a masters in math except prep for a PhD in math?

>>9915956
muslim-tier post

>>9919893
Whoa
Do you think that with the development of sophisticated CS theory (now that CS has had more than 50 years in academia ) will drive more schools to teach non meme CS? I personally think that once enough rudimentary software is built and hard jobs like cryptography are left, schools will actually have to change the undergrad curriculum.

>>9921404
He said a masters in maths teaching, which is even lower.
Not only do you not know math, you're deluded into thinking you know how to teach it.

>>9922372
I don't see what's wrong with teaching, but I do think that teaching without research sounds incredibly boring to me

>>9922871
it's lower. it's for idiots. it's for people who aren't smart enough to do real math.

>>9915956

>>9916897
Not related to the thread, but why the fuck would anyone do that?

>>9915862
>a fellow algebraist
wear it like a proud badge
I tell people I study multilienar algebra and its used in machine learning and then they shit their pants

>>9915862
>study algebraic geometry
>so what do you do?
>s-solve polynomial equations

>>9922888
If you do research in academia, you're going to have to teach anyway. Teaching itself isn't a lower thing, but having no ambition to go further is

>>9922893
Are there literally any downsides to being a statistician?
>fascinating subject because you're using real data instead of some bullshit pure alegbra with no real world application
>get comfy high paying finance/insurance job plugging numbers into a spreadsheet some computer science nerd made who earns half of what you do
>you're popular as everyone loves hearing statistics about random shit because it's naturally the easiest way to quantify a topic
>name drop a few basic statistical terms and they're creaming their pants over how "intelligent" you are
>memorize the latest statistical studies on sex and it gives you a professional reason to bring it up when talking to beautiful ladies
Lads, get into this field now. Sure you have to wade through some tough theoretical stats but apart from that it's utopia.

>>9923156
Hell yeah, thanks for the motivation.
Going to start stats major this fall.

>>9923156
Statistics is a fine field, but honestly a statistics major oftentimes leaves you smoked by a wider mathematics curriculum. You might as well do a full math degree and focus heavily on probability theory and statistics.

Also a statistics degree alone isn't really worth much (just like how a math degree alone isn't worth much past academia). CS + stat and finance more often than not are the people get the jobs you're bragging about.

>>9923178
I highly recommend double majoring. I'm speaking from seeing two stats major friends struggle to seek employment. They're both really good students.

CS/Math, CS/Stat, etc. will give you an edge, but not stat alone

>>9923183
Thanks!