/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9908948
>Why does everyone report having the exact same experience having sex?

I know, right? You look at a million case srudies and see a pattern of things.

they don't report the exact same experience, although they do report similar experiences

i would imagine it's the same reason we can use things like SSRIs or antipsychotics or any other psychoactive drug with similar results in many people. the fine-grained wiring that results in memory and personality is different from person to person, but the broad-scale structure is remarkably similar. whatever effects a drug might have on turning some pathways on or off, it's probably going to have a very similar effect on someone else

>>9908948
Because it's the same drug?

>>9908948
>Why does everyone report feeling more energetic on caffeine?
SAGE

>>9908954
>>9908957
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>>9908973
Hallucinogenic experiences are typically much more variated. People do NOT report the same archetypal story from their experiences with psilocybin, LSD, THC, or sensory deprivation. Not with any consistency anyway. Peoples subjective experiences with DMT are all a very specific type of hallucination, with very similar characters, themes, locations and meanings. And it's been used to illicit these types of hallucinations in people for thousands of years now.

Very clearly there's something interesting going on here on at least a neurological level to say nothing of psychology, sociology, theology, metaphysics etc.

>>9909005
I get the same experience from LSD and weed as most people

>>9909011
I'm talking about the content of the hallucinations, not the state of the hallucinatory experience. Everyone gets an adrenal boost from coke but not everyone gambles their bank account away and murders a hooker because of it.

>>9909019
Could you define what this content is?
All you've done so far is alluded to it in the abstract as if we should all know.
I remember my DMT experience.
And by remember I mean I forgot it a second after coming to

>>9909019
There is no "content" on LSD, it's just visuals and the headspace

It makes certain brain functions that regularly happen behind the scenes crossfeed into perception.

>>9908948
>>9909027
think he's referring to the machine elves.

>>9909447

Most definitely the elves. Particularly the ones that stick their tongues out and lick their own eyeballs. Cheeky little blighters.

>>9908948
Is this supposed to be funny? If you read some trip reports you'll see there's a huge variation in dmt experiences. All my dmt experiences have very different from each other.

PEOPLE REPORT SEEING SIMILAR SYMBOLS AND MOTIFS

EVEN IN KIDS THAT WERE RAISED BY CHRISTIANS AND HAD NO PRIOR EXPOSURE TO OCCULT OR EASTERN ART AND MYSTICISM

TAKE NOTE THAT YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS IS MADE UP OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS OF YOUR ANCESTORS

>>9910518
Fuck off back to /X/ with your "drug spirituality" bullshit

>>9908948
Because they're accessing the same reality

>>9908948
They don't. Have you read DMT: The Spirit Molecule? Yes, there are certain themes that occur more frequently than others, but to say that everyone has the exact same experience is bull.

If you have a real break through trip, you can't actually remember what happened. People try to put the pieces together by coming things they've heard before.

>>9910531
YOU GO TO >>>/X/ WITH YOUR FUCKING MATERIALISTIC NIHLISTIC "SCIENTIFIC" DOGMA

THAT'S NOT FUCKING SCIENCE

YOUR FUCKING CONSCIOUSNESS HAS PIECES FROM YOUR ANCESTORS.. LIKE FEAR OF SNAKES FOR EXAMPLE!

AND ONLY DOGMATISTS WOULD BERRY THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND WHEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE HALLUCIONATIONS THAT HAVE EXTREMELY SIMILIAR SYMBOLS AND ENTITIES AND WE CAN READ THEIR REPORTS ONLINE AND MANY OF THE TRIPPERS HAD NO PRIOR EXPOSURE TO OCCULT OR EASTERN MYSTICISM

ITS FUCKING SIGNIFICANT AND WORTH INVESTIGATION AND YOU FUCKING KNOW IT MOTHERFUCKER!

>>9910622
>Yes, there are certain themes that occur more frequently than others


AND SYMBOLS

AND BLUE MULTI ARMED BEINGS

>>9910626
>you can't actually remember what happened

TOTAL FUCKING BS.. YOU ONLY BLACK OUT IF YOU LITERALLY FAINTED OR SOMETHING

OTHERWISE IT'S LIKE A DREAM AND IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER BUT THAT'S WHY AS SOON AS YOU COME DOWN YOU GRAB A NOTEBOOK AND START MAKING SKETCHES AND NOTES

>>9910702
But I'm not afraid of snakes. What now?

>>9908948
>Another junkie trying to justify his drug addiction by claiming there is higher meaning behind it: the thread
Sage

>>9910716
k lets say spiders then

>>9910744
another nerd who didnt get invited to parties with inferiority complex

i took a massive dose of shrooms and saw patterns/images etc very, very similar to DMT artwork. in fact last time i tripped it was a very bad trip and i kept my eyes closed through out the peak and what i saw looked like what id imagine a full blown dmt trip would look like. it was fucking bizarre and weird. i could see stuff you'd never see or imagine in the real world, totally nonsense patterns and shapes morphing and changing rapidly. almost like the mind losing all control and the filters/constraints are removed and its truly the imagination running free.

>>9910803

oh yeah and listening to the two guitar solos in pink floyd's 'coming back to life' on repeat whilst high on 51 (or 53?) magic mushrooms was by far the most pleasurable thing i've ever experienced in my entire life. it was so utterly profound, it was pure euphoria and really had me thinking i was catching a glimpse of heaven/nirvana/whatever. i felt like the mysteries of the human experience were unraveling before me, i thought to myself many times that "this can't be possible" , "how is this possible", "this shouldn't be possible". iam a sex addict but i honestly thought it was way better than multiple orgasms.

>>9910744
In all honesty, I've done drugs for a while now and most of them, I would advocate people staying away from. However, LSD is something I very strongly advocate everyone take at least once. It's not a good casual drug imo, but simply the way it shifts your field of view on literally everything is an eye opening experience. If you ever get the chance, take 1 tab with your significant other. I promise you, it will change both of your lives.

>>9908957
But this is the only drug where this happens. The only common factor in other hallucinagins is a breathing effect, or in the case of something like salvia, incapacitation, the rest of the effects are generally random.

>>9910830
>it will change both of your lives

That's not something everyone would necessarily want.

>>9910830
Honestly I kind of wanted to try psychodelics, but I'm an antisocial fuck, so it's not like I know anyone who would either sell them or do them with me

i took lsd like 4 months ago and it triggered a mental breakdown and SEVERAL panic attacks during the trip. after the trip ended, for the first MONTH i was literally paralysed with fear and anxiety, wouldnt be able to get a lick of sleep for 4 nights straight, thought i was going insane. Fast forward to now and things are definitely getting better but holy fuck, this shit has literally taken away half a year of my life and fuck knows what else mentally. Definitely helped me feel better that this phenomenon is actually a thing several other people have experienced or going through, pic related if anyone is interested.

Don't fall for the bullshit that these drugs are super harmless or whatever because i probably wouldve been better off if i had smoked meth

>>9911197
What things did you think about that made you think you are going insane?

>>9911197
If you're already kind of insane, or on the cusp of being clinical, hallucinogens are not for you. Every resource available online will tell you this. Theres really nothing to worry about if you're sound of mind, even if you have a bad trip,

>>9911230
severe derealisation, a total detachment from humanity, the self and existence as a whole. Look around you right now and really think 'WHAT the fuck IS this??' except that mode of thinking is literally hardwired into your brain and won't go away, a lot of fear over the uncertainty on death, can't stop thinking over my own mortality, and the nature of existence etc etc

>>9911287
Have you ever had philosophical thoughts about the nature of reality before, or are you one of those automatons that doesnt even question anything that lays before him.

>>9911292
of course but this is different, its hard to explain depersonalisation and derealisation to someone who hasn't actually experienced it, but when i say you think and feel detached you SERIOUSLY think and feel detached, and this leads my thoughts into some really dark and scary alien places

>>9911300
Ive been there before on a bad trip and it wore off shortly after I came down. You obviously have underlying mental issues that this tapped into.

It's all a lie. Think for yourself. MK Ultra.

>>9911315
Maybe you're right but before the trip i was literally fine, as normal as anyone else and i had tried a smaller dose earlier on and that was also a bad trip but i came out of that and went straight back to normal. Also this is something that has affected plenty of other people in literally the same way, its difficult not to see the LSD as a root cause.

>>9911287
Have you considered looking into those concepts more deeply? I mean there are entire communities exploring those lines of thoughts in a way that is more grounded and less destructive. That is why people link psychedelics with spirituality because it can destroy every concept you have and then what is left of reality? It is interesting topic if you exlude the suffering it can make you go through.

If you are interested why did you feel the way you felt when LSD messed with your mind look at this video that is exploring the notion of no reality. It's kinda new agey but it might give you some insights about what you went through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsyplaii9p4

>>9911327
Lay there and think about your life history, from start to finish, careful go over everything up until now. Then sit there and focus on the total lack of effort it requires for you to be there, remember the familiarity of everything, the care free nature of it all. Just work on grounding yourself mentally

>>9909005
>>9909019
You clearly haven't taken shrooms for one. It's not a full blown hallucinogenic experience. The colour warping is all very consistent to all, with trails and shadows at higher doses. Otherwise it just has a body high and makes you ADHD.

Anyone who thinks you transport to a far away land and converse with fairies has never taken it, or any psychadelic for that matter.

>>9908963
Well look at you, bringing common sense to the discussion.

What does it actually feel like friends every time I hear about it people say it's amazingly odd that is exists that these chemicals have the ability to do this almost other wordly for lack of a better word still not 25 so waiting out

>>9911978
I question whether you've had shrooms going by that description. If you have I'm guessing it was a small dose or you have a high tolerance.

>>9912320
I can't speak for DMT but I've done LSD and shrooms and the effect is way overstated. It's visual distortion and either energy with LSD or confusion and body high with shrooms. It's nothing spiritual unless you desperately believe it to be and start trying to tell yourself your pineal gland is decalcifying.

>>9912877
No he's exactly right. Ive taken 6g of shrooms with 0.3g of ketamine once to much the same effect. As you get to higher doses like that the confusion takes over and you'll spend a few hours pacing around indecisively but really all the matter of hallucination is visual distortion.

>>9910518
>TAKE NOTE THAT YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS IS MADE UP OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS OF YOUR ANCESTORS

>>9912885
He's describing a very weak experience and implying shrooms can only give weak experiences, which is absurdly wrong

>>9912934
They are relatively weak compared to public misconception. Only those already stupid enough to believe the drugs give them some insight to spiritual realms perceive the experience as transcendent, because for them the patterns and trails are some great truth they are privy to. For anyone with half a brain most psychedelics are a trivially fun experience.

Lads, anyone familiar with drugs? I've taken shrooms and was sorely disappointed - is there any drug or combination that will give an actual hallucinatory experience, either full feeling like you are elsewhere and seeing things or even just things around you changing, coming real, moving etc?

>>9913037
like a shitton of ketamine
Dimethyltryptamine and derivatives.

>>9910704
Yes m8. I've seen symbols, grand hallways, entities, faces, dancing tribesmen (themed based on the type of music I was listening to, sometimes African, sometimes Asian, sometimes Middle-Eastern, sometimes sciencefiction). It's just hallucination. It's significant, and worth investigating, but there is no reason whatsoever that this inner world is connected to a global unconciousness. Perennialists are wrong. Sure, our consciousness has pieces from our ancestors, because we are culturalised into adults based on knowledge from the past. We read history books, visit museums and places of old. Our music is based on the evolution of old music, same as dance. It's not strange to see these themes coming back, but they are completely individually and culturally depended (aka, what is the individual brain actually exposed to during it's lifetime), as the imagery is formed based on encoded memories and the erratic firing of neurons in the visual cortex creating non-linear fractal like closed eyed imagery that is infused with feelings of significance by biographical memory.

>>9913037
Take more shrooms, do them alone, lie down in bed, take comfy familiar music (hope you like ambient, long 1-3 hour mixes work the best), put on sleeping mask. Lie still for 4 hours. Enjoy.

>>9913060
I did that, i took 5g of dried albino mushrooms. Then when they hit i had my bedroom setup with blinds down, mask on and music - some synthwave album. Very spacey. It kept feeling like i was on the cusp of something but really i was wriggling about like and idiot and if i had more i wouldn't have been sober minded enough to notice it - my vision was already all over the place and i could barely pour myself a glass of water.

>>9913051
Cheers, i think ill try the ketamine.

>>9913088
Strange. I always take 22 grams of truffles (dutchie) which is quite a strong dose but not THAT strong, which gives me very strong closed eyed visuals, bodily stimulation, at the peak feelings of mystical experience, extremely holistic paralel thinking and strong critical introspection. Feels like a long journey squashed inbetween 3 hours.

I also always write down a short letter to myself beforehand, discussing where I am in life and how I could do better, together with a list of topics I would like to think about and explore (for example, in which segment of brain do the closed eyed visuals originate and can they be consciously manipulated and if so what does that mean for our sense of free will) or more personal things (do I really love my crush or is this just sex), things like that.

Gives more structure and meaning if you do it like that.

>>9912882
You are right but only if you take those drugs like a filthy casual. If you were to take higher dose it would be close to impossible not to have a life changing experience (not only in the good way).

Also if you were to do meditation or self-enquiry the potential of the chemical could be reveled to you. But most people have no fucking clue what those things even really mean and just listen to music, talk about weird colors with their friends or do fuck all so of course nothing happens and then they have the false notion of what these chemicals are able to do.

>>9913103
Sounds like plenty of people ITT myself included have taken high doses and not come away a blithering moron. Seems to be the only "profundity" the drugs have are if you desperately want them to be so.

Ala: >>9913100

If you believe the things the drugs are doing are somehow mystical and deep it might augment it, if you are aware is miscommunication in the brain causing errors then it's just a fun fleeting thing.

>>9913117
I am aware its miscommunication, or, different communication. I don't wish them to be deep and profound, the thoughts and decisions arising from it are often just extremely helpful. Feel rejuvinated after it, with more focus and motivation. I'm not at all a mystical person and think perennialism and other dimension stuff ridiculous. It's just a brute force meditative session that does much more than being sober.

>>9913117
The question is that if the profundity of it is deliberately aim for and induced by it makes it somehow worthless or not valid.

What is profundity anyway? The fact that anything can even exist is profound by itself but when we wake up in the morning we don't really see it that way because we are used to it so much.

Psychedelics are what we belive they are. They can be worthless and they can be profound. And I believe that the fact it can be anything says something important about our existence. For hundreds of years we are trying to figue out what is the truth. We believe it is one thing and everything other is false. The psychedelics showed me personally that the truth can be anything depending on which perspctive you are looking from and there is no right perspective to look from. Every perspective is right and wrong in their own way. There is no perspective that would take into consideration everything in existence to make the right conclusion.

>>9908948
>Why does everyone report having the exact same experience on DMT?
I have different experience everytime I take DMT, I don't know what are you talking about.

>>9909447
The machine elves is just a term for any conscious entity you might find. I've seen different elves doing different things on different trips.

>>9910744
>another sorcerer trying to justify his demonic possession by claiming there is 'science' behind it, let's burn him alive

>>9913234
This is why you don't do drugs kids.

>>9911167
People don't want to be told they are wrong.
This is something many don't want, but they need.

>>9911197
How was your set and settings?
Yeah, psychedelics are nowhere near harmless, that's why everyone keep talking S&S all the time. You can take MDMA and you'll feel great no matter what you do, but LSD will not force you to feel good. That's the point, it's enhancing what you feel and makes everything incredible. It might go good or bad, depending on how you take it.
Also don't do LSD if you are not stable psychologically to just "let it go" no matter what happens to you.

>>9911300
Ego death is a common experience on large doses or on DMT. You just have to not panic and let it go, but it's easier said than done.
For me these kind of experiences were always amazing, especially when the reality and memories start to come back let me rebuild my worldview as I learn everything from ground zero in mere seconds. it never really bothered me that I'm getting disconnected from my body and memories.

>>9912320
Just go read some trip reports.
Also https://youtu.be/6umdf4Ef970

>>9913037
DMT. Given you take it correctly, it will definitely give you intense pseudohalucinations, ie fractals, you will land in different world, maybe talk to elves etc. You probably don't want actual hallucinations.

>>9913103
Don't make fun of people because of doses, this is not how it works.
I've taken various psychodelics in various doses and never ever had life changing experience. I did expected that from LSD, but what I got was just mental highfive, "You are doing it good!". I guess there isn't much to change.

>>9913420
Funny thing is it is also why you do drugs.

>>9911197

You are mentally weak.

That is the lesson you should have learned from your trip.

>>9913028

I don't know man. I have had a couple of breakthrough trips on shrooms where it became very spiritual. I have experienced that "great truth" feeling, and then having it slip away - something that you cannot hold onto. I will leave it at that, because it's impossible to explain.

The funny thing is, I wasn't doing them for any other reason than pure recreation, and was not a noob at hallucinogenics. Actually got surprised.

>>9913052

Is it really so hard for you to imagine that maybe all that we are is not just the sum of our biological part? Do you really think we have it all figured out?

>>9908973
Caffeine often makes me sleepy.

>>9913446
Will i be able to fuck qt elves?

>>9913727
You probably won't even know what penis and vagina is.

>>9913826
Literally what is the point of hallucination if you cant bust a nut