/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9903616
define race.

>>9903616
define human

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23684745/

>>9903616
>its another "OP thinks he can discuss biology at any level of competency" episode

>>9903616

in a biological sense humans do not have races. i thnk in a sense you could just talk about it being "one race" then. More likely is he mixed the two varying definitions of "race" there to produce a deepity.

Your thoughts, /sci/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVrw-IiGgLY

>>9903616
He was a South African politician, you're seriously taking a Genealogy fact from an African politician?

>>9903616
*except when we need it for affirmative action and forced diversity.

Is this man white?

>>9903667
Only albinos are true whites

>>9903616
Just like how there are different dog breeds there are different races of human it is not that hard there is more than one human race it would make more sense to call humans a species than a race

>>9903709
Humans were not artificially bred in the way dogs are.

Race is a subjective term that could mean anything and is not a taxonomy classification

>>9903722
Well we sort of are right now with the migrant crisis and the mixing of the arab black and white race's into one mixed race

>>9903751
you dont have to fuck the melanin-enriched if you don't want to senpai

>>9903616
>there is only one breed of dogs, the dog breed
Imagine by shock such a low IQ statement was uttered from the lips of a nigger. Really made me think there.

>>9903655
>alt-hyp
Nope

>>9903657
Did you just refer to systematics as "genealogy"?
You don't belong here, fuck you piece of shit.
>>9903658
Go
>>9903751
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>>9903768
To
>>9903616
/pol/
>>9903745
This

>>9903616
For humans, we use the terms race and ethnicity. For the other 9 million species, we use the terms species and subspecies. Why are humans the one exception when it comes to taxonomy? Science has yet to provide an answer, so it's most likely the religious faith in egalitarianism.

>>9903616
Until the 1960s, Neanderthals were classified as Homo neanderthalensis, a different species from us, Homo sapiens. But the genetic distance between Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis (<0.08%) is less than the genetic distance between the two chimpanzee species (0.103). Today, Neanderthals are classified as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, a sub-species of our species, while we are another sub-species, Homo sapiens sapiens. The genetic distance between (sub-Saharan) Africans and Eurasians (0.2%) is more than twice the genetic distance between living humans and Neanderthals (0.08%) so, at the very least, Africans should be classified as a sub-species, Homo sapiens africanus and Eurasians as another sub-species, Homo sapiens eurasianensis.

Finally, the genetic distance between Homo sapiens and Homo erectus is estimated as 0.170 (mean given as 0.19), about the same as the genetic distance between the Bantu Africans and the Eskimos, but the genetic distance between living Africans and Eurasians is 0.23. Thus, Homo sapiens is more closely related to Homo erectus than Eurasians are to sub-Saharan Africans. Either erectus should be reclassified as Homo sapiens erectus or sub-Saharan Africans should be reclassified as Homo africanus.

>>9903849
If you want to know the classification of humans would be that of ecogeographical variety, homo sapeins sapiens var x, systematics is done on the population level not just for humans, put for all taxon with enough data to do so.
Fuck off back to /pol/ retard

>>9903870
See>>9903863

>>9903616

THERE IS NO RACE IN BIOLOGY.

RACES ARE ONLY USED FOR DOMESTIC ANIMALS AND JUST FOR ECONOMICAL USAGE.

THERE IS NO RACE IN BIOLOGY.

THERE IS ONLY ONE (1) HUMAN SPECIES

>>9903863
Citations needed. How tf am I supposed to even think about this if I don't know what measure(s) of genetic distance they are using? You expect me to uncritically accept this? Get real?

>>9903812
>>9903813
I swear to god they look nordic to me.
mediterranean master race btw.

>>9903885
We need to bring neanderthals back so we can discriminate against them, that would solve racism among h. sapiens sapiens.

>>9903909
It's sad but it's true.

Or we need Aliens.

>>9903893
>The genetic distance between Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis (<0.08%)
Caramelli, D., Lalueza-Fox, C., Vernesi, C., Lari, M., Casoli, A., Mallegni, F., Chiarelli, B., Dupanloup, I., Bertranpetit, J., Barbujani, G., & Bertorelle, G. (May 27, 2003). Evidence for a genetic discontinuity between Neandertals and 24,000-year-old anatomically modern Europeans, PNAS, 100(11):6593-6597.

>is less than the genetic distance between the two chimpanzee species (0.103)
Cooper, A., Poinar, H.N., Pääbo, S.J., Radovcic, J., Debenath, A., Caparros, M., Barroso-Ruiz, C., Bertranpetit, J., Nielsen-Marsh, C., Hedges, R.E.M., & Sykes, B., (Aug. 22, 1997). Neandertal genetics. Science, 277:1021–1023.

>The genetic distance between (sub-Saharan) Africans and Eurasians (0.2%)
Krings, M., Stone, A., Schmitz, R.W., Krainitzki, K., Stoneking, M., & Paabo, S. (July 11, 1997). Neandertal DNA sequences and the origins of modern humans. Cell, 90:19-30.

>the genetic distance between Homo sapiens and Homo erectus is estimated as 0.170
Curnoe, D. & Tobias, P.V. (2006). Description, new reconstruction, comparative anatomy, and classification of the Sterkfontein Stw 53 cranium, with discussions about the taxonomy of other southern African early Homo remains. Journal of Human Evolution, 50:36-77.

>the genetic distance between living Africans and Eurasians is 0.23
Cavalli-Sforza, L.L., Menozzi, P. & Piazza, A. (1994) The History and Geography of Human Genes, Princeton University Press. p. 82

>>9903616


If two individuals can fuck and create a viable offspring (which can then fuck) then the two parents were the same species.

Thats the way phylogeny works, the clearest example being insects where evolution has created so many pairs of sexual organs in lock and key type construction.

That being said, there is the outside chance that two distinct species could create a hybrid offspring which could be viable, this has probably happened many times in history.

For example, there is a theory going around talking about how modern humans could be the offspring of a chimp and a pig. Its not too far fetched. Humans have a plastic sexual response as many of us know we are quite willing to hump inanimate objects and people having sex with their pets is more widespread than most people realize

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>>9903616
Just compare Rhodesia with Zimbabwe

>>9903885
Triggered creationist.

>>9903909
>>9903915
How will this make sub-saharans less retarded?

>>9903965
>your thoughts?
>give my thoughts
>lol not an argument
Exactly what I would expect from someone who watches molymeme and alt-hyp.

>>9904003
do you have actual grievances with the video or do you just dismiss it entirely because the creator upsets you, you little faggot?

>>9904008
>you little faggot
>homophobia
You just keep checking these boxes

Race is rather observable especially in today's society

you really don't need to look very deep at all, you can ask any anthropologist out there and they can tell you the difference of a white and a blacks skeleton quite easily. Not only are there aesthetic differences within the skeleton system there exist differences on the biological level.

Something like lactose intolerance can even show differences in genetic features, https://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000661

>>9903844
>REEEE RACES DON'T EXIST, EVEN THOUGH SCIENCE HAS CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN OTHERWISE!
>REEE THIS SCIENCE BOARD IS A RACE-FREE SAFE SPACE, WHERE THE SCIENCE OF RACE IS TO BE NO-PLATFORMED
>REEEEEEE
You can't even hide the fact that you're from Reddit. What exactly are you doing on our board again, other than to spread disinformation?

>>9903903
are u retard

>>9903996
Good point. How about a genetically engineered genocidal masterrace?

>>9903909
you have to abbreviate homo otherwise is gay

>>9904799
>REEEEE
>hyperbolic greentext quoting
>Reddit
I fucking hate /pol/ shitposters i can't wait until conservatism becomes mainstream againso this website will start left leaning and they go back to their board

>>9904916
>le pendulum meme

>>9903841
Based Ryan is 2stronk for leftists.

>>9904053
>using the word faggot is homophobic
hello there 18 year old zoomer
also, Alt-Hyp is a faggot, lmao

>>9903655
Alt-hyp literally says race is a social construct and wants an ethno-statist anyway. But keep shilling.

>>9904943
>Alt-hyp literally says race is a social construct and wants an ethno-state anyway. But keep shilling.

>>9904919
Its unreal i wonder if your higher cognition is just one giant shitpost do you think in greentext and irony what is it like to have mental imagery that is just a slideshow of brainlet memes and fucking frogs

>>9904952
>le big brained free thinker

>>9904943
>social construct
It's weird how far left misuses their own made up terminology. I guess it's to be expected though.

>>9904919
>

I like black people

>>9904916
>I fucking hate /pol/ shitposters
You mad that there are biologists and anthropologists that take genetic predeterminism and race realism so seriously that they have dedicated their lives as public intellectuals to it?
>purporting subspecies exist in Homo sapiens = political shitposter
You know that's a lie, and lefties have been trying very hard to suppress this inconvenient truth to push their egalitarian ideology as not only the ideal, but having a foundation in biology.
>i can't wait until conservatism becomes mainstream againso this website
Last time I checked, conservatives have an autistic fit about free speech being the bed-rock of any civilization, and 4chan seems to fit that bill quite well, so that'll never happen. Also, more than half of the web traffic to 4chan is to politically incorrect alone, so since they occupy the majority of users on this site, you're the minority opinion.
>go back to their board
Again, you're advocating for the removal of dissidents from your safe space so you don't have to have your opinions challenged. You sure love hugboxes, don't you? You seem to share the same intolerance Muslims do to criticism of their religion.
>>9904952
Translation: anything I don't like is a shitpost and therefore invalid
My guess is, you're not white.

>>9904958
It's made up, yet alt hyp admits it is valid. Interesting.

>>9904973
The data Lynn and Vanhanen use is shit and their methodology is garbage, just FYI.

>>9904980
Social Construct isn't a synonym for "invalid."

>>9904966
What is this post of a dead wrong bulgarian supposed to show me? That bulgarians are shit fortune tellers? Maybe should have asked some romanian gipsy

>>9903812
>>9903813
Can someone explain to me why they all look fucking retarded?

>>9904988
I thought it was made up though. Or do you just pick and choose your version of reality based on convenience.

>>9904997
By the common definition of the term, damn near everything can be considered a social construct.
But lefties do choose their own version of reality based on convenience, which is why they don't go around trying to convince everyone that colour or language do not exist.

>>9904993
Imagine having someone tell you that race is only skin deep, so you remove the skin colour and now you're forced to deal with the fact that their morphology is subconsciously read as being retarded, but slap the black back on and they're just a nigger.

>>9904989
I don't know about that bud, everything predicted in the first 3 parts has already happened and judging by the exponentiating hate towards /pol/ on every single board that's not /pol/, the fourth one doesn't seem unlikely either

>>9904973
I'm white. I honestly believe that certain races have different advantages and disadvantages like intelligence vs physical variability, and that cultures developed by races place different emphasises on learning. I.e. i believe on average whites are smarter than blacks. I appreciate your summer reading list but the problem i have with /pol/acks is their tendency to post like this>>9904956. Its fucking braindead garbage that puts an end to any fun you can have in an argument. Its mainly used by the supremacist right and makes them as deaf and inapproachable as the self important liberals

>>9905004
Chromosomes aren't social constructs.

>>9905008
Sure thing, m'bud. Impeachment imminent,

>>9905013
The word "chromosomes" is a social construct, so it doesn't exist.

>>9905008
Whatever helps you cope.

>>9904985
No, that might have been the case for their initial inquest into national average IQs back in 2000 (in his book IQ and the Wealth of Nations), when the data was spotty and they had to estimate over 100 poor and largely unknown countries based on their genetic composition relative to nations with similar genotypes (following from the genes determine race analogy).

However the info-graphic I posted is from data sourced from his second follow-up book, Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations, which by that point in time (2009), most of the previous nations where estimations were required had now officially conducted national IQ tests and thus gained fair more credibility in the academic community, and this map is now used as an accurate representation of global IQs.

Your criticism was valid, if the current year is 2000.

>>9904985
No, that might have been the case for their initial inquest into national average IQs back in 2000 (in his book IQ and the Wealth of Nations), when the data was spotty and they had to estimate over 100 poor and largely unknown countries based on their genetic composition relative to nations with similar genotypes (following from the genes determine intelligence analogy).

However, the info-graphic I posted is from data sourced from his second follow-up book, "Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations", which by that point in time (2009), most of the previous nations where estimations were required had now officially conducted national IQ tests and thus gained far more credibility in the academic community, and this map is now used as an accurate representation of global IQs.

Your criticism was valid, if the current year is 2000.