/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9903666
It can't be done. It would be cheaper just using solar panels.

>>9903673
I'm not talking about using carbon capture as a means of off-setting the use of fossil fuels. I mean in the sense of drawing down the current carbon ppm to pre-industrial levels.

plant a metric fucktonne of trees

>>9903761
Problem is trees compete with agriculture for water use. And in a dry season a wildfire can undo years of work.

>>9903666

I had a conversation in the other thread pertaining to the 3C projection by 2100 made by the IPCC... what that individual failed to mention was this prediction model ASSUMES industrial scale carbon sequestration... on an order of magnitude that dwarfs every other man-made industry currently in operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8akSfOIsU2Y

3:42 - 4:05 for further clarification.

>>9903765
Get rid of over 40% of agriculturural land by ceasing to eat dead animals, then fill the now open space with a trillion trees.

>>9903785
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016328715300690?via%3Dihub

Experts believe the limited amount of fossil fuel in existence makes rcp 8.5 highly unlikely. There just aren't enough fossil fuels to burn that will get us there. 6.0 is still highly likely though.

>>9903807

Not enough fossil fuels... but plenty of methane.

Dr. Natalia Shakova

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ

4:14 - 5:25 for the essentials.

Now to google, in case you might be thinking this is the opinion of one isolated crank.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=KNxeW6WrE5ex0PEPltCU-Aw&q=arctic+methane+&oq=arctic+methane+&gs_l=psy-ab.3...293.1893.0.2371.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.yJiYePkMbyo

Throw in the Clathrate gun hypothesis for good measure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

"However, there is stronger evidence that runaway methane clathrate breakdown may have caused drastic alteration of the ocean environment (such as ocean acidification and ocean stratification) and of the atmosphere on a number of occasions in the past, over timescales of tens of thousands of years. These events include the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum 56 million years ago, and most notably the Permian–Triassic extinction event, when up to 96% of all marine species became extinct, 252 million years ago"

>>9903666

We must stop unnecessary deforestation and revegetate urban centers.

>>9903666
/sci/ came up with this the last year. Basically, not much land is needed for growing the trees in respect to how much CO2 they need to capture versus how much CO2 is created around the world every year. Once sunk into the trench, they are basically there forever. The trench is so large that you could do this for the next 100k years and not run out of space. In fact, there's enough room to literally fill the entire trench up with all the carbon molecules, on the face of the planet, and still have room left over.

>>9903899
>465,853cubic miles of storage space

>Problem is trees compete with agriculture for water use.

This is a joke, right?

>>9903797
go away filthy vegan
humans are not going to become limp wristed mongrels like you want them to be

>>9903765
To mitigate that riak, does it make sense to cut and bury the trees?

Is there a point where the return on sequestration is surpassed by the risk of burning?

>>9903817
methane and refrigerants

>>9903899
>GMO
Is there already a specific eucalyptus tree or is that theoretical?

>>9903666
>>9903677
We are actually at a very ok CO2 levels, the preindustrial were unnecessarily lower. You wouldn't want to go lower than 200 ppm, but Earth has been at 900 ppm no problem. But stopping the deforestation
>>9903761
>>9903857
is a good idea nonetheless to control the levels.

We need nuclear powered boats that deacidify the oceans.

>>9903899
you know that trees float right?

>>9904013
could probably use solar instead, if they don't require much power
Nuclear is only for giga nigga level equipment

>>9903977
Go back to /pol/, sweetie.

>>9904000
Futuragene makes them for Suzano, a Brazilian pulp and paper company.

>>9904015
Sinking trees in lakes and large bodies of water is an old technique for long term wood storage. Japan has been doing it for centuries.

>>9904021
>muh /pol/ rent-free boogeyman

>>9904005
Warmer temperatures are not an issue. The relatively rapid warming we are experiencing is. Earth was lush as fuck during the balmy Jurassic and Cretaceous periods

>>9904015
Not all wood floats. Gmo trres can have dense enough wood to sink like rocks.

>>9904013
how do you even deacidify that much volume

throw metric tonnes of baking soda in the ocean?

>>9904042
Ideally youd engineer a microorganism to do it for you, designed in such a way that it dies off when the oceans are fixed.

>>9904025
>>9904033
>>9904015
People are bringing up sunken logs, from log ponds, that are from the 1800s. The wood is worth a huge amount of money. There's even "underwater logging" for trees left when an area was dammed up for a lake or river change.

>>9903817
>>9903821
>>9903825
So it's the opinion of several cranks copying each other?

geosci.uchicago.edu/~archer/reprints/archer.2005.clathrates.pdf

>>9903817
>>9903821
>>9903825
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28589962/

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Gas-hydrate-dissociation-off-Svalbard-induced-by-Wallmann-Riedel/7032c86c3e68f03851250e9ad43080fdcded79f3

I hope by the increasingly absurd solutions here and elsewhere you guys are beginning to realize how fucked we really are

Just face the facts:

90% of the planet are irrational believers in some apocalyptic religious cult

The last 150 years of industrial and technological progress put massive power in the hands of these irresponsible and unwise people

The CO2 in the air and oceans is far too distributed to ever be re-concentrated for any amount of effort

The future of a planet whose systems existed in a narrow band perfectly suited for us is disintegrating before our eyes and literally no one cares. They will get up tomorrow and burn as much fuel in as many unnecessary ways as they did the day before and a billion people will do nothing but sit around imagining that one day they can do the same

>>9904065
>just give up
No fuck off
Humans engineer solutions, we don't shove our thumbs up our asses and cry

>>9904065
Don't forget electing Orange Cheeto KKKlown for president

>>9904065
On the plus side, we can take comfort in the fact that all the evil works of man will be erased by the heat death of the universe.

>>9904005
>but Earth has been at 900 ppm no problem.
Earth has been at higher ppm before.
But humanity hasn't.
Human cities weren't around back then, which really defeats this entire argument.
You can't just expect every costal city to just pack up and leave because "Seas were higher once millions of years ago!"

>>9904065
ok kid
just consider kys and we will use your remains as a fertilizer while our plants thrive under nice CO2 levels
>>9904071
I am still literally shaking, how are you holding up?

>>9904079
>Rapid global warming is good for agriculture

No.

>>9903761
Freeman Dyson predicted that planting one trillion trees would remove ALL carbon from the atmosphere. So if we agreed to plant one billion trees within a reasonable time-frame, it could do some good. And we wouldn't even have to spend any money if we used volunteers and donations. He also came up with the idea of genetically engineered trees, which would be able to absorb more carbon than normal trees.

>>9904069
>Humans engineer solutions

Heres the problem: the second law of thermodynamics.

Good luck with that.

>>9903899
>/sci/ came up with this the last year.
I wouldn't trust /sci/ on these issues.

>>9904084
Earth isn’t a closed system, dumbass.

>>9904076
Agree.
But at this point you have to really calculate what is more affordable: dealing with the raising sea levels, or creating some sort of a solution. I cannot answer this at the moment, can you?

>>9904085
He’s not wrong, though. Trees can sit underwater for historical timescales at least.

>>9904083

The problem isn't the lack of solutions, guys

Jesus

>>9904089
Kill everyone that lives on the coast with air strikes.

>>9904085
>>>/diy/

>>9904097
finally solid solutions ITT

>>9904087
>Earth isn’t a closed system

And your point is?

>>9904087
Fucking dumbass.

>>9904089
>But at this point you have to really calculate what is more affordable

This is easy. The most affordable thing to do in the short term is nothing.

Let things fall apart, write it off. Those with means move, migrate, or otherwise flee.

Short term is the only organizational mode humans have mastered. Very short term.

>>9904089
>1) we need a solution, we implement that solution and it works and everything is fine
>2) we don't need a solution and don't do anything and everything is fine
>3) we don't need a solution, we implement a solution and it's pointless, but everything is fine
>4) we need a solution and don't do anything and hundreds of millions die through natural disasters and war

>>9904104
So...that’s not relevant. Earth radiates heat and receives it.

>>9904105
Please prove earth is a closed system or the second law is not relevant.

>>9904104
>>9904105
He's right, you know.

increasing CO2 causes increasing temperatures

Increasing temperatures melts ice lowering albedo

Lowering albedo traps more heat

More heat melts more ice

>>9904157
Eventually the oceans will just spew methane into the air by themselves and that'll be completely ridiculous.

>>9904144

At some point you have to accept the future you are most likely going to have and not the one you necessarily want

>Oceans around the world have absorbed man-made heat energy to the tune of two billion Hiroshima-style atomic bombs in the last 18 years....


At some point you have to realize the solutions were known, the problems were known, and the mechanisms of denial were known, the promulgation of what was occurring was literally mapped from space and calculated across the planet in millions of independent observations and measurements and yet for all this progress and technology, nothing could stop the simple reflex that humans have, to take energy from a higher level, to a lower level, at every level.

It was unbelievably stupid to put the power of technology and science in the hands of self-destructive idiots, from a retrospective point of view, but inevitable considering the nature of man

>>9903899
Huh, this is actually not a terrible idea. Eucalyptus trees are a really great method of carbon storage because of how fast they grow, right?

And, fuck, what if you buried some of them underground and increased the carbon content of the soil? That's good for farming, right?

>>9904182
>Huh, this is actually not a terrible idea. Eucalyptus trees are a really great method of carbon storage because of how fast they grow, right?

And it would take decades to grow a crop. And during that time....

>100,000,000 barrels of oil will be burned every year, and for every pound of fuel will create four pounds of carbon dioxide


>And, fuck, what if you buried some of them underground and increased the carbon content of the soil? That's good for farming, right?

No, burying wood tends to preserve it, it would do nothing for soil. Wood chips poison soil for other life

At some point you guys have to grow up and realize you've been lied to your whole lives. There is no amount of engineering that is going to be able to fix this

Guys time to grow up. Life isn't fair. Its a shit sandwich.

>>9904005
>the preindustrial were unnecessarily low
>unnecessarily low
>unnecessarily
What is the necessary level of CO2?

>>9904197
There's no point in giving up, either. Giving up would be worse than nothing. Forgive me if I'm not defeatist.

>>9903899
Brainlet here, what's to prevent the CO2 from being released via decomposition? Nothing decomposes better than salt water. All the anons talking about long-term storage of trees underwater are probably talking about fresh water.

>>9904201

The whole point of denial psychology is to get you thinking about an arbitrary and tangential data point

Its pure sophistry.

>>9904208

At the temperatures and pressures of the Mariana trench the level of oxygen will be very low and chemical reactions slowed down

Basically the idea is the same thing that created petroleum in the first place (terrestrial biomass being submerged into anoxic environments under pressure)

It won't work because the 2nd law of thermodynamics

OCEAN
IRON
FERTILIZATION

>>9903899
>>9904208
>>9904222
Another question: wouldn't this also drastically reduce the amount of available nutrients in the soil for growing other plants? It's not like trees grow on only water, sunshine, and CO2. Even if it could work to help get rid of some of the CO2, I can't imagine that would be the only effect.

This whole thread is full of morons

By the way, biomass is carbon neutral over time so you literally cannot sequester carbon just by growing trees

>>9904203
>There's no point in giving up

Think carefully about what that means and take into account the second law which is present at every level.

How much energy is it going to take to convince someone to use less energy when they are completely committed to not using less energy. It never breaks even.

Yes, I am pessimistic, I consider this the realistic view. I would be happy to change my mind but I literally don't see it happening anywhere around me. I don't see it in the world (I read widely).

It really hits home in economic statistics.

>In 2010, global crude oil demand was 86.4 million barrels per day. In 2018, it is expected to increase to approximately 99 million barrels per day.

Guys you have to grow up and realize this shit is not going to get fixed. The methane situation will blow up. The planet will be plunged into chaos that will last hundreds maybe thousands of years and humans are probably not going to survive

There just isn't the will to destruction in a positive sense (ie, people are destroying supply, people are destroying consumption). Its all going the other way. All of it.

>>9904222
>>9904228
The assumption is that the carbon will be buried for thousands of years. Of course it's not disappearing, idiots. The goal is to get it back into the Earth so it's not in the atmosphere.

>>9904234
I'd rather try and fail than not try at all. So you can do your thing and I'll do mine.

>>9903666
Musk is solving the problem as we speak. We can just cool down Earth by placing solar shades into orbit, using the vast power of the Big Falcon Rocket.

>The estimated deforestation rate, released Tuesday by Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (INPE), is based on satellite imagery. The institute found that from August 2015 to July 2016, the Amazon rainforest was deforested at an estimated rate of 7,989 square kilometers (more than 3,000 square miles)

Optimists, please pump my endorphins by telling me your meme fantasies about massive tree plantations, shipping the logs to the Marianas Trench, I need to feel good all the time regardless of external information

>>9904236
I invite you to do the math on what area of land will need to be utilized over what amount of time to have any effect.

When the Earth did this the first time around 80% of the Earth was swampland that sequestered carbon and it took millions of years. We burned through it in a handful of centuries

Anyway, what we're ACTUALLY going to do is, genuinely, bring down emissions to near zero in the developed world and beyond, likely with a heavy does of nuclear power since it's the most energy-dense form of carbon-free power. Then we're going to use direct-air capture machines to remove carbon from the atmosphere and turn it into either liquid fuel storage or weather it into rocks.

It's going to be highly expensive, but still cheaper than letting climate change run rampant.

>>9904264
This. I want renewables powering cities and pebble bed reactors powering trucks and freighters

>>9904182
>>9904197
>>9904203
There's an entire section of farming dedicated to that. However, they are making it into charcoal then burying it. There's still a lot of carbon being locked up at least, but it isn't just straight up burying wood. The term is "terra preta"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta

>the charcoal is very stable and remains in the soil for thousands of years, binding and retaining minerals and nutrients.[4][5]

>100,000,000 barrels of oil will be burned every year, and for every pound of fuel will create four pounds of carbon dioxide

Wouldn't matter at all with a system using >>9903899 and that is factoring in the pollution caused from the farming, cutting, hauling, etc.

>>9904262
The math was already done before, but I can't find the thread in the archives from last year. It was an surprisingly low number. That is due to the 7-year cycle of the trees.

>>9904262
How fast does the GMO eucalyptus grow? That's the big question. Otherwise, we will need some sort of carbon scrubber machinery. The whole point is to find a method that does it quicker than nature.

>>9904269
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Terra prata is good stuff, it revitalizes dead soil and makes farming more effective. We could fix all the ruined topsoil at the same time, too.

>>9904264
>Anyway, what we're ACTUALLY going to do is, genuinely, bring down emissions to near zero in the developed world and beyond

Literally set up to be disappointed in how this works out desu

>>9904269

Yes, biochar. Been known for decades. Why isn't it being done? Oh yeah, because millennials didn't exist yet with their massive leverage and clear moral authority

>>9904225
They don't need very much. We decided farming the trees with chickens was the best option. Basically, the forest would be a chicken run. All the shit fertilizes everything really well and the land can be doubly used.

>>9904281
>Why isn't it being done?

It isn't cost effective enough for the people who have the money to do it. It is cheaper to simply toss on some commercial fertilizers and call it a day.

>>9904271
>>9904269
>>9904273
That's doesn't look like math to me. You need to absorb about 35,000 tons of CO2 each and every year just to offset current use, and you'll need seven times that amount of land so you can plant every year and harvest continuously. Nevermind reducing atmospheric CO2 or offsetting the emmisions from your own operation.

>>9904271

Carbon scrubbers are costly and only viable where you have a concentrated stream of gas to harvest. Still take into account the entire lifecycle of the industry. (Mining the catalyst, manufacturing the filters, processing the used filters) and all the rest and you pretty much end up where you started.

The second law of thermodynamics is a bitch, guys, you cannot just get around it by hand-waving and wishful thinking

>>9904281
Realistically, though, Baby Boomers need to hurry up and fuck off from places of power and influence. They're the ones who presided over a lot of the emissions responsible for warming right now, and they're the ones that sat on their asses and did nothing when the science started to become clear.

Millennials and Zoomers both seem to take climate change fairly seriously, so maybe when they achieve power real change will be achieved. Hopefully there will still be enough time.

I like to think about it this way.

You might make 1 or 2 pilot projects at a cost of several million dollars to clean up 0.0000000000001% of the problem while....

The global economy is going to burn an additional 3-5 years of cumulative production, leaving a net impact of jack squat.

The whole exercise is futile and stupid. Look around you. I live in the first world, nobody gives one shit. They are all using probably 1000x as much energy every day as someone 100-200 years about used for a whole year.

I'd be more optimistic if people saved energy, if it wasn't cheap, if they didn't organize their whole lives around exploiting it, but that is not the case.

They will continue until they can't anymore, because of cost or availability. At which point MAYBE some advanced nations scramble for a a hail mary solution. But the backdrop to that will be total social dysfunction, food riots, mass migration etc.

This is where science and technology without respect to what science (atmospheric, ecology, etc.) was telling us. Straight to destruction.

>>9904289
That isn't very much though. You just need to figure up the estimated dry weight of a single tree (53 lbs/ft3 or 850 kg/m3 for Lyptus) how many tree are grown on x amount of land and convert that to tons of carbon captured. Wood is like 40-50% carbon I think.

>>9904289
>>9904331
Considering there's only like 870 billion tons of actual carbon in the atmosphere at any one point, you could suck so much carbon out of the air with a huge forestation and storage program as to rob everyone on the planet of CO2. in a few decades. Which would fuck over crops and humanity

>environmentalists end humanity through planting trees

Boy they'd sure love that.

>>9904291
>Still take into account the entire lifecycle of the industry. (Mining the catalyst, manufacturing the filters, processing the used filters) and all the rest and you pretty much end up where you started.
Just stop dude. Any rational person would understand the assumption of designing the industry to be low-carbon. You would have to make almost everything electric and running on renewables or nuclear. I thought this was fucking obvious but I guess not.

>>9904350

Hopium is a powerful drug

>>9904331
Each tree would need a minimum of 12 square meters (3.5m x 3.5m). Assuming they grow to 7 meters (approx 3 feet per year) and a diameter of 14 centimeters (double the given rate of 1cm/yr) each tree would weigh about 92 kg meaning each of your fields needs to be about 5,200,000 square meters for a total of 64,000,000 square meters or 16,000 acres.

That's assuming double the growth rate and that your 25 square miles of monoculture doesn't get shrekt before you can harvest it

>>9904341

Go to college?

>>9904376
>>9904331
For a solid understanding of how pointless all that is replace that massive ongoing effort with the same area of solar panels distributed around the world. Guess which one offsets more carbon?

>>9903899
>>9904376
While this is great and certainly can quickly and easily rid the atmosphere of all man-made CO2, since it is an absurdly low amount, the amount of CO2 emitted by world wide volcanic activity on the other hand will be more difficult. Because there's something like 271 million tons of CO2 emitted by volcanoes every year. So our 35,000 tons of CO2 only 0.01% of that.

>>9904376
>doesn't get shrekt before you can harvest it

"Eco-activist," farmers in Brazil were destroying GMO saplings at one point.

>16,000 acres

That's for the 35,000 tons of CO2 humans put into the atmosphere each year? We'd need 99.99% times that amount to break even for volcanic CO2 release. That's what 3,499,650 acres? Round that up to 3.5 million acres. That's what the size of Connecticut?

>>9904377
>can't get the joke
>pulls out (((college)))

>>9904384
Planting, cutting, and storing trees offsets it more it seems.

>>9904403
>So our 35,000 tons of CO2 only 0.01% of that
>Planting, cutting, and storing trees offsets it more it seems
Oh no, it's retarded...

>>9904412
How about explaining what you have a problem with? Are anon's numbers wrong or are you not following the thread clearly?

>>9904403
You’re a fucking moron. Humans produce way more CO2 than volcanos are, you stupid bitch.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities

>>9904403
Man-made CO2 is the vast majority of CO2 being added to the atmosphere. Within a bit over one hundred years CO2 concentration went from 300 parts per million to 400 parts per million.

We're pumping out more C02 in decades than the Siberian Trap Eruptions did over thousands of years.

Why don't we frack out the methane on the Siberian arctic shelf before it destabilizes and escapes into the atmosphere? I heard all big oil would have to do is modify the machinery they already employ and something like that could be possible.

>>9904517
We’re beating whatever caused the Eocene Thermal Maximum.

>>9904531

...and it's not just the total volume of emissions, it's the time span. We're pumping out more in less time.

What did somebody suggest earlier? Plant a trillion trees? That sounds like something that a smart grade schooler would come up with.

We all agree that planting trees works PLANT TREES RIGHT FUCKING NOW GOGOGOGOGOGOGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I WANT TO LIVE TO SEE MARS

>>9904264
>implying boomers will allow society to continue when they’re out of the picture

What were ACTUALLY going to do is watch as old fucks who have nothing to lose continue to ruin the planet as they’re empowered by the useful idiots who elect them into office.

>>9904550
>We all agree that planting trees works
Except those of us who understand the carbon cycle.

>>9903797
>get rid of over 90% of agricultural land by getting rid of over 90% of human population

https://www.drawdown.org/solutions

BAN ALL REFRIGERANTS
MAKE FOOD WASTE ILLEGAL AND A FELONY
FORCE CARBON SEQUESTRATION MECHANISMS ON ALL AGRICULTURE

SHOOT EVERYONE THAT DOES NOT COMPLY

SOMEONE HELP US

>>9904472
>>9904508
Not a problem at all, just plant more trees and toss them into the trench. You only need 16 billion acres of trees planted and harvested every year to take care of that.

>Earth has 15.77 billion acres of habitable land.

Good thing (((global warming and man-made climate change))) aren't real.

>>9904593
This guy gets it

Do we tell Bill Gates to plant the trees?

>>9904573
That would work too but I think killing is something that we should avoid.

>>9904593
Go back to your containment board, honey bunch.

>>9904079
>Our plants will thrive under nice co2 levels
You retarded?
>Literally shaking
Unironically, very anxious every day. For good reason too because he has followed through on his insane campaign promise to do his best to destory everything green and good in America

>>9904065
>>9904071
Please consider visiting leftypol and putting your opinions there.
There is no place for politics within science or education. Especially political science.

Thank you in advance.

science will help us

Would someone do the math using existing trees?

Mono culture would trigger the liberals but most forested land is already new growth so it's not a big deal to cut part of it down. You could cut hundred acre wide strips of land, dig a trench in the middle and then bury everything. Probably somewhere like Russia or Canada would be ideal for this, providing there's enough soil underneath the trees.

>>9904632
This is the containment board for autistics though.

>>9904881
In America, we do this, only we build houses instead of bury a commercial resource.

>>9904883
Talking about the tinfoil hat “DA JEWS” people.

>>9904640
Lol what a faggot you’re worried that a climate change denier and vaccine conspiracy theorist is the head of the most powerful country on earth

>>9904593

>>9904139
Unironically
>we don't have a solution and don't do anything and hundreds of millions die through natural disasters and war and that's fine

>>9904098
Wrong, it's not a shipping container submarine.

>>9904450
I am that anon and I did an extremely over-optomistic calculation to demonstrate how ridiculous the whole thing is. Nevermind technical concerns like "at what point is the log neutrally boyant and how do I get it to sink the rest of the way?" or environmental concerns like adding a metric fuckton of toxic eucalyptus oil to a such a sparse and sensitive ecology.

The same area of solar panels on the other hand would generate around 42,000 Twh of energy per year and labor is done once, not every year.

If soil nutrients/water are an issue, how about farming charcoal from mangroves/kelp/other saltwater species?

>>9903677
Until we have large amounts of carbon free power, carbon capture is not even worth considering.

>>9904403
>35,000 tons of CO2

Jesus you're retarded.

>>9905109
Do jews really have a containment board on 4chan? I haven't looked at any of the newer boards since gook moot took over. I don't see a /JIDF/, but people in this threads seem to come pretty close to being members of the lizards.

>>9905254
That has nothing to do with humanity.

>>9905438
Those are not technical concerns since that sort of thing is done on a daily basis around the world in log ponds.

>>9905972
Jew lies, you know that. Humans barely create any pollution at all.

>>9905965
Bullshit, we need to develop the tech now so that we can deploy it at scale. leaving carbon capture tech to languish will make emissions reduction much harder in the long run.

We definitely need to develop carbon free power too. I'm not advocating clean coal or any of that bullshit.

>>9904197
>give up give up give up
>REEE why aren't you giving up and being an enlightened nihilist like me
Go and stay go

>>9903666
m8 if you have high purity carbon you can do whatever the fuck you want with it
good fucking luck actually trapping it tho
>>9903761
>>9904083
terrible fucking idea, trees' carbon consumption grows sub-linearly and depends largely on the species. just planting a fuckton of trees without rhyme or reason could lead to a higher rate of desertification in the area with very little carbon trapped

>>9904201
>>9904217
higher than 100-150 ppm, the levels below which plants die from the lack of CO2. The only sophist here is you.
>>9904640
Yes, plants consume CO2, what a retarded notion.

>>9905976
>this has nothing to do with humanity

>>9906089
>muh feels

>>9903666
Hello satan. You should know. Figure out a way to sell people captured carbon

>>9905976
>The Marianna Trench is equivalent to a log pond
Wew, lad

>>9904573
based and redpilled

>>9906120

>>9906061
>just planting a fuckton of trees without rhyme or reason could lead to a higher rate of desertification in the area with very little carbon trapped
Add to the fact that during intense drought forests actually produce carbon rather than absorb it. The Amazon produced 8 gigatons of carbon in 2010.