/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9902986
ID people from satellites

>>9902986
Lol no, the military has fallen behind a lot. Top talent is more attracted to places like silicon valley than defense contractors. Not to mention that the cold war is over and the current administration won't acknowledge the new one. Really the only things I think the military has that are secret are: computer vulnerabilities, optimization algorithms for logistics (boring right?), and if we really want to get into area 51 tier stuff a way to make military projects cost reasonable amounts of money. We are seriously falling behind. China's probably going to deploy new weapons like railguns before we do.

>>9903000
this probably and also "dusting" for monitoring movement of vehicles and perhaps even people

>>9903007
i dont see how we could spend nearly $1 trillion per year in on the books military funding and not have crazy shit
+ think about all that DARPA funds and you have to imagine that they keep the really impressive stuff locked up

working scramjets?

>>9903007
The military mostly functions (and functioned) on private deals with US companies anyways. Lockheed Martin, Northrup, etc... Top talent from the US still work for the military.

China also spends a fraction of what the US spends, and they're just trying to get up to speed and replace their (mostly) Soviet era equipment. It'd probably take them 15 years just to get to where the US is now if the US just stopped all military spending. Take into account that China is already facing a budget crisis...nobody really worries about them somehow coming out ahead of Murica.

>>9903035
>dont see how we could spend nearly $1 trillion per year in on the books military funding and not have crazy shit
by being a country with 60,000 dollar annual salary and 800 bases around the world
year of AC for tents in afghanistan costed $20 billon
the munition for a cannon on the newest destroyers costs $800,000 a pop
american military is the biggest fucking gravy train in history of everything

>>9903007
lol

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.computerworld.com/article/3268132/emerging-technology/mind-reading-tech-is-here-and-more-useful-than-you-think.amp.html


Even Facebook is working on wireless mind reading devices

I'd imagine there are still multiple types of MK-Ultra experiments/projects going on in today's era

>>9902986
There is no secret military tech. Real life is not a science fiction show.

>>9903151
>There is no secret military tech
Stealth was secret not that long back you moron.

>>9903156
>30+ years
>not that long back

>>9903151
*breaks your speed records*

>>9903156
>>9903168

that's not " secret military tech ". It's normal tech.

>>9903168
Russians knew this plane was being built when they sold the titanium for its construction.

>>9903176
Yeah am gonna need some sauce on that

>>9903042
>> Top talent from the US still work for the military
No they do not, they work for silicon valley or HFT firms. Defense company jobs don't pay as well as the tech companies. Besides, tech companies have all kinds of perks that defense companies just don't have. The culture's more fun and enjoyable than boring defense companies. Oh and there are calls for these big defense companies to become more like the tech companies because you know SpaceX is doing rockets a lot cheaper than everyone else.

We should all be worried about China. They fund science better than we do. The important part is they fund the basic shit, which is needed to make the big breakthroughs. China's also doing stuff like building the biggest fastest windtunnel in the world so they can test hypersonic aircraft designs at full scale, you don't see the US doing anything like that.
>>9903035
DARPA has about as much funding as NASA, so not as much as you'd think. Also I have worked on several DARPA projects and am currently funded through them.

I see all the propaganda movies for the " highly advanced US military forces " worked. There is no secret weapon, no secret Super Soldier, no unconventional weapon.

>>9903175
>stealth technology
>top speed of mach 3.3
>design work started only 15 years after we were shooting each other with propeller aircraft in WWII

>>9903175
>that's not " secret military tech ". It's normal tech.
It was very secret for a long time.

>>9903042
So if you seriously don't believe that top talent works for the tech companies consider this, uber bought up almost all the engineers at the National Robotics Engineering Center.
https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2015/5/19/8622831/uber-self-driving-cars-carnegie-mellon-poached
The NREC does stuff like develop goddamn robotic tanks. Uber bought up almost all the people that would have been working on those tanks.

>>9903212
>expects secret tech not to be secret

>>9903215
And ? It's normal advancement.

>>9903224
>The US is the only country in the world with " secret military tech "

>>9903225
it's almost like the country most likely to have top secret military tech would be the country that has a military budget an order of magnitude larger than nearly every other country in existence

>>9903229


The only true" secret military tech " was the nuclear weapon. That was truly a secret, truly a military tech and truly advanced.


It was not about money, it was only about brains

>>9903248
Do you really think governments of multiple countries, i.e China, UK, USA, Israel don't have secret programmes/technologies ?

Lmao

>>9903248
>falling for the nuclear weapon hoax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMqHTbXm3rs

>>9902986
pig and cow human chimeras

>>9903221
i'll go make tanks i only get paid 85k a year at a particle accelerator

Quantum computing is a real focus right now. Work in that field with government contracts

>>9903256
It's strange that only the US reveals their secret programmes. Every single secret meme technology we found in the Internet is made in USA.

Really makes you think

>>9903258
A hoax that killed 90,000–146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000–80,000 people in Nagasaki ?

>>9902986

Matthew 16:26

What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

>>9903221
Do you believe that the Pentagon is spending $500-750 billion a year on nothing? I mean either there's just a lot of mediocre talent making huge sums of money while the 'real' talent works for Uber, or there's just a larger pool of talent then you realize?

I mean what the US spends is absolutely ridiculous, and it's ridiculous to believe that top talent isn't still attracted to that money pile - also the work is much more interesting. Want to work on a car or a mach 5 jet engine?

>>9903268
Is it as cool as it looks ? Are there any girls working with you ?

>>9903268

It wouldn't surprise me if AI was significantly more advanced than is being announced to the public; simply to avoid widespread problems its implementation into society is being gradually made. Just a guess.

>>9903319
>> do you believe the pentagon is spending $500-750 billion a year on nothing
Yes. That and all the other costs that come from running a military superpower. You have no idea how much defense contractors overcharge for stuff. It's all just pork, paperwork, and throwbacks. You know the new F-35? It'd be cheaper if it was made of solid fucking gold. The defense contractors have mastered the art of maximizing all possible costs to extract as much money as possible.
>>9903352
Bullshit, if you have advanced AI technology you take it to silicon valley or an HFT firm and make big bucks. If all you do is make instagrams dick pic filter 5% better, you can make a HUGE profit. Software, just by the fact that you don't have to actually make anything in the real world is IMMENSELY profitable.

>>9903385
What a dumb thing to say. Are you assuming they've made 1 F-35? And other countries are purchasing it just because they like to throw money away? Even with the criticism, it's the most technologically advanced aircraft in the world and any country would give their left nut to even have a chance to purchase them.

Guess it was built by dopes though, the real talent is apparently building the non-existent Tesla's and working for a taxi company.

>>9903413
>> just because they want to throw money away
No, it's because of dick waving. And it's still shit. Yes it was built by dopes: https://breakingdefense.com/2018/01/f-35-problems-late-iote-f-35a-gun-inaccurate-f-35b-tires-threat-data-cyber/

Amazon is able to keep your credit card information more secure than the F-35 is and that's with being a huge fucking target. I wish I could be like you, I wish I didn't take a look behind curtain. There are some things we are really far behind on and it's really disappointing. We are living on borrowed time. China's catching up and we are slowing down. We aren't putting money into basic science like we used to and this is going to bite us in the ass. Sure the F-35 may be the most advanced fighter today, but 10 years down the line we might not be making the most advanced fighter or whatever replaces fighters.

>>9903464
I don’t think you understand industrialized warfare in the modern context or even what makes a military powerhouse a military powerhouse.

Protip: outside the atom bomb, the US has never had the best tech and it doesn’t really need it.

>>9902986
Had a temp job at Northrup, they had a brochure there for an orbital X-Ray cannon (nuclear blast in a magnetic bubble style, I shit you not). It looked like it may have been a hand out about getting the government to fund its development, rather than an advertisement for something that already existed, but this was back in the early 2000's. Sadly, was not bawlsy enough to lift it at the time.

>>9903464
>And it's still shit.
then
>Sure the F-35 may be the most advanced fighter today
Okay bro, go be stupid somewhere else. And why would a country "dick wave" by buying a piece of shit? Why doesn't China come up with something better? They have a collapsing economy and can't even build engines for their fighters, but they're going to surpass the US in 10 years? Please.

>>9903499
>And why would a country "dick wave" by buying a piece of shit?
Two things:
Deterrent
and
Corruption

In every war we've had for the past 30 years, the A-10 was the most prolific and efficient air assault vehicle in use. ...But no one's interested in renewing it, as it simply isn't expensive enough.

>>9903486
Yeah that's a load of bullshit and you know it. Outerspace treaty says no nukes in orbit period. Otherwise you get FOBS and have to destroy every satellite in orbit because it could be a nuke. Oh and orbital weapons don't make sense, because they follow orbits and their motion can be easily predicted and shot down. I'm also going to bet that was Ed Teller's x-ray laser from the star wars era. And let's not forget that the Europeans have the most powerful x-ray laser in the world and they use it to do science:
www.xfel.eu
Now I've seen a DOE project that's laying the ground work for a gamma ray laser, but it's early development and still not that well funded. Just another example of how the US doesn't fund basic research. Fucking cool ass shit though, lasing medium would be antimatter absorbed in a huge chunk of nanocrystal.

>>9903509
Of course a jet designed for air-to-ground superiority during the fucking cold war is going to do pretty well against Soviet era technology used in Iraq/Afghanistan. What war in the last 30 years was waged between world powers? Did I miss something?

If we took that against a country like Russia it would be a disaster.

>>9903385
>not realizing the F35 is worth more than its weight in gold

the F35 isn't so much about making the american airforce/navy/marines better but every single ally america has. every country will be sold these planes and will have an entirely new capability they never had before, vtol. now every country will be able to make cheap aircraft carriers that don't need any ramps or runways and project 5th generation air power for 1200 miles. the american global influence will be overwhelming to our opposition ie china and russia.

>>9903509
Once again, you fail to understand industrialized warfare in the modern context. The A10 was successful because it was a ground pounding plane and we were fighting nothing but dirt farmers in tractors for the last 30 years. Niche weapons platforms are outmoded ways of thinking. It’s better to field a middling jack of all trades platform propped up by a robust logistics network. If you opened your eyes for a second you’d see that the way the US is outfitting it’s military is leveraging its internal strengths and adapting to its obligation of being the worlds cop. The F35 is not a war plane, it’s a policing action plane.

>>9903520
Nothing about that treaty says you can't design the things or campaign for their funding. Easy enough to get dreamy eyed "Star Wars" or "Space Force" presidents to fund them.

>>9902986
>supposedly USA top secret military tech is decades ahead of what's available to consumers.
If you mean really expensive, weird, impractical ways to kill people? Yeah
If you mean practical useful things, no.

It usually boils down to the materials being insufficient or some problem with getting power to the weapons system. Though sometimes it just that the project isn't practical or feasible in one way or another due to current technology in other areas.
A lot of the stuff is kept classified for security reasons and when it is unveiled, its because major strides have been made. And if you do a bit of reading you'll see that the government has tested out other directed energy weapons but as we can see, lasers and railguns are the ones that are more feasible and practical with the technology that is readily available.

>>9903277
can u verify that those people actually died?
no i didnt think so.... fucking briainlets........

>>9903035
The cost in logistics is beyond retarded see
>>9903054
Additionally RnD for many military projects are just obscenely expensive to the point of what the fuck land.

>>9903499
>china
>collapsing economy
I didnt realize this was opposite day

>>9905297

Rule 0. Human societies are pyramid schemes that collapse every few generations.

Rule 1. Nations lie about the numbers and lie using numbers.

If China says "Our growth rate is X%", replace "X" with "X - 5" at least.

Rule 2. Official numbers are a terrible way of evaluating the "health" of a nation. A far better method of figuring out "health" is to do a thought experiment where you look at the cost of living for various demographics, the demands of various demographics, and the equilibriums of various demographics. EX: Women in the US are shooting their foot because highly paid and highly educated men prefer younger and less educated women. The equilibrium of marriage turns out to be fucking horrible for most women and most men. Social catastrophe ahead.

Rule 3. China is more dependent on US demand far more than the US is dependent on chinese labor.

>>9902986
I reckon the air force already has working scramjets and shit that can perform suborbital hops. They probably already have a full SSTO as well.

>>9903007
>the current administration won't acknowledge the new one
New cold war? Against who exactly...?

>>9903035
May most of that stuff is basic. If you think about it, it all comes down to basic science and you really aren't ahead if you don't have something that nobody else has thought of scientifically. So unless you proved a new theorem you really aren't ahead. Until somebody breaks or completes quantum theory you are only playing catch up. Let me put an example. During WWII the US gathered many of the top scientists and created an atomic bomb. Russia got theirs not long after and so did China around 1950 I believe. Despite having it all you've really got nothing because their are intelligent people in every corner of the world. So while they have something no one else has, they only really got a headstart because someone out there is at least thinking about it.

>>9903141
Unfortunately you can only peer into so much. Mind reading devices work by isotopic materials that release photons when cartain compounds activate. The real key will be in AI and quantum theory. AI is key because it may allow accurate predictions of an opponent or you can even trick the opponents AI just by understanding the algorithm. The day any country launches an autonomous drone that can attack with very little civilian casualties (on its own) is the day to be afraid. More specifically, a drone that can gather intelligence from the sky and can trace a suspect will be that day. Yes it might be possible because crime and war have signature heatmaps, but so do legitimate groups

Lets see
>Rule 0. Human societies are pyramid schemes that collapse every few generations.
Demonstrably false, take your pick of any of the major historical empires. Including the one you live in right now.
>If China says "Our growth rate is X%", replace "X" with "X - 5" at least. If China says "Our growth rate is X%", replace "X" with "X - 5" at least.
Present your argument with credible citations.
>. Official numbers...
They are the only quantitative way of evaluating an economy and for the purposes of this discussion the only meaningful one.
>China is more dependent
No they arent, china has positioned itself as the worlds labor outsource not just Americas. Additionally if you took your head out of your ass to look up some numbers you would see that china imported 175b USD compared to 216b USD export over the past two quarters.

Finally just for fun, even if your premise that all date regarding chinese economic growth was true they would STILL be a faster growing economy than the US.

>>9903248
meanwhile the B-2 was secret for how long?

>>9905651
>Present your argument with credible citations.
Its pretty common knowledge that this thing called "propaganda" exists my dude.

>No they arent, china has positioned itself as the worlds labor outsource not just Americas. Additionally if you took your head out of your ass to look up some numbers you would see that china imported 175b USD compared to 216b USD export over the past two quarters.

ahh, that explains it, your a fucking chink

>>9905651
>take your pick of any of the major historical empires.
Literally every major historical empire has collapsed either into irrelevance or into civil war every 100-200 years. Unless you are some chink who believes in grorious 2000 years of continuity meme

>>9905701
Until Revell released a model of it.

Actually I heard a story about radar systems and how they had to be programmed to recognize the radar signatures of various types of plane. The problem was that sometimes the information needed to calculate the radar sig was classified so the guys had to go down to the store and get a Revell model of it instead.

>>9903060
SIRI, from DARPA? Please check again.

>>9903225
>And ? It's normal advancement.
1960: Gary Powers shot down in U2
1968: SR-71 flew with impunity
2018: F-35 is operational by the widest definitions possible. Barely. On a good day.

The West seems to have regressed the last 50 years.

>>9905706
>Its pretty common knowledge that this thing called "propaganda" exists my dude.
It does, why should it apply uniquely to china and not america? How do you know americas reported values are not similarly contrived?
>ahh, that explains it, your a fucking chink
Im the whitest person imaginable, I just am capable of using google to aquire credible information.

>>9905739
American revolution 1765-1783
2018 - 1783 = 235 which is 7- 8 generations
British empire 1583-1920 337 years
Ancient Rome republic and Empire 509 BC to 476 AD 985 years

Stop arguing things that take 20 seconds to fact check and at best your case is semantics.

>>9905574
The Russian nuke at least was heavily fueled by leaked information from the Manhattan project though if I remember correctly.

>>9906025
Well it's SRI so it still works for his point

>>9903042
Yeah but if I don't want to spend my time on boring infrastructure jobs for either optimizing trade or ad clicking but works on advanced materials and brain implants, will I still care about a fat salary if I'm decently paid?

>>9903248
>The only true" secret military tech " was the nuclear weapon.

All the commie kikes who made the bomb were spies

>>9907246
>All the commie kikes who made the bomb were nazis
ftfy

>>9905297
China's economy is mostly manufactured by their government. It's not sustainable in a country that's rapidly growing a 'middle-class' mentality.

Take a look at the ghost cities in China and how poorly they're built. All of those investments into real estate are going to cause a bubble that makes the US recession look like a blip on the radar. And that's only one piece of their economic conundrum.

>>9907264
>ghost cities

>>9903486
>looked like it may have been a hand out about getting the government to fund its development
Marketing material to impress government officials.

>>9902986
If the (((government))) had this technology, (((they))) would have already used it against the people.

>>9902986

Considering that private companies do all the R&D for the military (Lockheed, BAE, Northrop, etc), it's really private companies that are ahead of civilian access.

>>9903175
>that's not " secret military tech ". It's normal tech.

It was secret for a long time. When it first became widespread public knowledge in Desert Storm it was pretty amazing.

>>9905701
F 117 was a bigger secret than the B2

>>9907239
So you think SIRI = SRI??

>>9905739
>Literally every major historical empire has collapsed either into irrelevance or into civil war every 100-200 years.
>every 100-200 years.

Are you some stupid american who believes humanity history started in 1776 or something?

>>9907305
They build cities expecting people to eventually live in them, but they're currently deserted.

>>9907197
>Ancient Rome republic and Empire 509 BC to 476 AD 985 years
What is the Crisis of the Third Century?
What is the Diocletian and Theodosian Split?
Who is Julius Caesar?
What is the ERE and WRE?

>>9907264
>Ghost cities

I was just about to post this actually. I first heard about this about 7-8 years ago, and as far as I know, they are still relatively vacant or way underpopulated.

I could be wrong about this, but I think a large number of real estate purchases in the aforementioned cities are actually from foreign people.


There's a documentary about it online for free, I'm on my cell currently but I can post a link if anyone is interested.

>>9903352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjRyHgF8hx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMlkOt66OKU

>>9903151

>oh uh that heli at OBL's compound?
>that was just a regular blackhawk bro, nothin cool at all about it

>>9907197
Today on /sci/ we learned the Civil War didn't happen

>>9905543
>working scramjets
That thing isn't very classified. I remember a few years back they did an automated test. News quoted Air Force sources saying the test of the scramjet worked but they had problems with the test and it was shortened/aborted mid flight.

>>9902986
This might have been true in the 50s-60s

>>9908638
Yea, but I mean fully functioning ones that are actually usable for combat or recon or whatever. Not just prototypes.

>>9907962
>Are you some stupid american who believes humanity history started in 1776 or something?
name any historical event before that that has any political relevance in the modern world.

>>9907197
look, just because anon was wrong about his claim of 200 years doesn't invalidate his claim that most, if not all human empires are pyramid schemes. Here's a timeline I found - haven't had the time to read all of it so lmk if it's incorrect.

>>9908874
pic related

>>9902986
>so what kinds of stuff might the government be hoarding?
my due accolades, for one

>>9902986
I think the idea that the government secretly has advanced tech is one of the most pervasive conspiracy theories out there, nearly everyone I know seems to think the government has everything from cold fusion to time travel tech, the same government that couldn't even keep watergate or prism under wraps.
That said I could believe that the a facial recognition/ social media profile surveillance system like what the chinese use could be in use in some parts of the country.

>>9908879
fucking saved

>>9908897
the watergate conspirators were caught intentionally

>>9902986
satellite internet microchips (avoid basically all terrestrial infrastructure)
also mad energy set-ups

>>9903007
The top talent wants rainbow flags on their logos and company paid transgender surgery outtings. I miss when nerds had balls and a little patriotic spirit, the tech during Desert Storm was great

>>9908879
Why does the Holy Roman Empire of GERMAN Nation get succeeded by Austria and not Germany in this graphic?