/sci/ - Science & Math

>THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST IQ IS GENETIC RATHER THAN ENVIRONMENTAL.

>>9885899
it could be 100% genetic, but until that is empirically shown then you can't use it as a foothold for your primitive fear of black people.

>>9885908
>you can't use it as a foothold for your primitive fear of black people.
Fortunately there are a plethora of other reasons

It's never one or the other. Nature vs nurture is not real. It's all about gene-environment interaction. Nothing is 100% genetic or 100% environment.

>>9885908
>fear of primitive black people
Ftfy

>>9885889
Daily reminder that the only people who make these thread are the racists on /pol/ who create some false sense of debate to make their racist views look more favorable.

>>9885908
>12% of population
>over 50% of murders
primitive fear

It isn’t disputed that IQ is highly genetic. The correlation between race and IQ is disputed.

>>9885889
>(((highly discredited)))
>No evidence

>>9885889
I've read the literature you are completely wrong.

>>9885889
>This book is highly discredited

It's "discredited" to the extent that it hurt someones fee-fees.

>>9886060

ITT /pol/ role-plays as opposition

non-racists don't really give a fuck about the flaws in that book's research or the idiocy of people who try to twist it into supporting their agendas. only /pol/esmokers actually care enough about it to make threads about it.

>>9886098
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

>>9885908
If you're not racist, you're wrong

>>9886963
That doesn't discredit the book btw.

>>9886974
Yes it does.
You are assuming IQ is unaffected by the environment around you.
To put it quite simply, if you don't have access the basic needs and services for your society to run (i.e. no one will allow you to purchase these goods and services), you are going to see (at least) a stagnant growth in such statistics. This is natural to what we see in segregation. The minority gets alienated, and isolated from the rest of society. Society breeds contempt for the minority, and the minority breeds contempt for themselves. The miniority society reaches a point of depression, of which spirals out of control.

IQ is very much a moving target, and it's relative to the period of time associated to it.
America is smarter than it was 50 years ago. Taking the same IQ test, now, that we took back in the past we will see a higher average than if we were to take the present test.
Secondly, as with any of these statistics, people cannot look at a single statistic and determine the net worth of individuals from said statistic. That's simple-minded and reductive.
Finally, interpreting this data is also commonly flawed. If I were to say all top football players are frenchmen, I cannot therefor claim that frenchmen have a natural affinity towards football. A implies B does not mean B implies A. This is a common problem in statistics, of which every first-year has to go through via what is called the false positive problem.

To put it short, /pol/ operates on poorly sourced infographics and hyperbolic memes. If you think that is a valid form of education, you need to go back to school.

>>9887018
I don't like your picture because it implies the working class can't (or even should not) discuss important topics. No society can work whilst suppressing the opinions of their working class. If you are not able to speak honestly to them and convince them that your way is the right way then you don't deserve to run a nation.

>He thinks someone will fall for his liberal tricks in 2018

>>9887018
And yet even when corrected for environment by selecting the best black neighbourhoods and best schools, the performance is still woefully poor. I love how your type also dismisses the evidence of you know, the history of the entire continent of fucking Africa, everytime the white man has pulled out and left the black man with all the infrastructure, trade, schools, government and everything needed for a successful country in place it turns to total shit. Every fucking time. 100% rate is more than just fucking correlation you cunt. Literally centuries of documented history showing how different Africans are and how they are entirely incapable of running a civilised society and you just toss it out the window because of "muh oppression". Blacks oppress each other, it has been that way for all of African history and they will continue to do so.

>>9887037
>You didn't attend a liberal brainwashing school and get 200k in debt like me?
>Heh nice try buddy get an education then try again

Ummm this is a redpilled board sweetie, we hate Jews women and people of color.
I think you should try to cope harder blue pill shitskin.

>>9887040
>And yet even when corrected for environment by selecting the best black neighbourhoods and best schools, the performance is still woefully poor.
Again, because these areas are still understaffed and poorly run, compared to white suburbia, because of the segregation associated to these environments.
Also when de-segregated, what we see is typically no change in white neighborhood standards, and a significant improvement in black neighborhood standard of living. This is customary, since they are actually allowed to easily trade goods and services with the rest of society. In another form, it's also called the birth control pill effect.
By the way, I'm not saying people are inherently racist and that is why these societies are segregated (though I'm sure some people ARE racist). The leading model on segregation shows us that you can have perfect indifference to who you wish to live next to, and the end result will become a highly segregated society.

http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segregation/

The entire rest of your post is blathering nonsense not relevant at all to the discussion. I suggest you pull the stick out of your ass, because it seems to be causing you great physical ass pain.

>>9887037
>I don't like your picture
Okay? Did I hurt your feelings?
Go to school.
Go learn about how to collect and organize data.
Get yourself an education, instead of relying on gut-instinct and personal perception.

>>9887060
>>9887042

>>9887049
>Also when de-segregated, what we see is typically no change in white neighborhood standards, and a significant improvement in black neighborhood standard of living

Gated community whitey detected. Go live in a multicultural neighbourhood and see how it goes for you.

>>9887049
>what we see is typically no change in white neighborhood standards
I laughed in real life.

>>9887066
>Go live in a multicultural neighbourhood and see how it goes for you.
Yeah okay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Park,_Illinois

>>9887077
>As of the 2010 census... the racial makeup of the village was 67.7% White, 21.7% African American
So in other words he was right and you have no experience of any of this.

>>9887077
>Cherry picks one single neighbourhood

Almost fell out of my chair laughing. Have you ever lived outside of white suburbia? I assure you it is not a multicultural paradise.

>>9887081
It's always like this. None of these people have any clue about the effect this sort of thing has on lower class communities. Nor do they care, since that would get in the way of them imposing their "virtuosity" on others.

>>9887018
Okay so how do Jews have such a high iq and they are always a minority?

Why do liberals think that there is some magical rule where humans can vary greatly in physical traits but are exactly the same mentally... hmmm

>>9887088
(((Who))) makes the tests?

>>9887080
You think every society that is integrated is 50/50 or something?
This is an integrated society, buddy.
>Cherry picks
That's not how cherry picking works.
If you were to say to me, "I think we should give free flood insurance to region X." I would tell you that is a silly idea, because the price of homes would increase. You would proceed to say, "proof it." I would tell you, "Okay. When I go to McDonalds and buy not only a sandwich, but also a coke, it's going to cost me more than just buying a sandwich." You would say, "That's not proof! Show me an example where house prices rose due to free flood insurance." Then I would say, "Okay, here is this city where they rose." You would say, "THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, I NEED A SPECIFIC CITY ON A SPECIFIC DAY, IN A SPECIFIC REGION WHICH REPLICATES THIS EXACT MODEL TO A TEE."

It's a fruitless endeavor when you don't even understand the basics of data an theory.

>>9887095
/pol/lack here. Actually for once it's not what you think. IQ tests are developed and updated by a whole host of nations. Jews are naturally good at them because they heavily involve pattern recognition, maths and reasoning which Jews are very good at due to thousands of years of inbreeding selecting for these traits because they have historically been bankers and accountants and such.

>>9887088
Because they are not significantly segregated from the rest of society.
The funny thing you'll realize when you study economics is, when people have easy access to trade, their living conditions increase. This includes their education.

>>9887098
>Look, an upper-middle-class black family moved into my gated community and there aren't any problems and now I get to virtue-signal that I'm a tolerant and good person who lives in a multicultural neighborhood, so that means this is good for everyone and doesn't cause any problems anywhere at all and if you disagree you're a racist and need to take a statistics class.
Epic.

>>9887098
>This is an integrated society

lmfao. What do you have to say about the putnam study then? Or do you brush that aside because it contains an uncomfortable amount of widely drawn data to back up the fact that diversity is shit and not working.

>It's a fruitless endeavor when you don't even understand the basics of data an theory

It's also a fruitless endeavor when you don't even understand how the very society you live in is fucked becausd you have never left your safe space. Tell me, how white is your neighbourhood?

>>9887108
>What do you have to say about the putnam study then?
I haven't read his paper, though I'm interested in it. But this is from the wiki.

Putnam denied allegations he was arguing against diversity in society and contended that his paper had been "twisted" to make a case against race-conscious admissions to universities. He asserted that his "extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society."

>>9887108
>Tell me, how white is your neighbourhood?
Oh and why do you care about this? This is not even remotely relevant at all.
Would you accept someone from the hard left trying to label you as something politically offensive, thus dismissing any argument based on politics alone?
Show me facts, not feelings.

>>9887121
> He asserted that his "extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society."

That's not what the results show at all. He realised his paper showed diversity is shit and twisted the fuck out of his abstract and conclusions to the effect of

>While my results show that diversity may have negative effects, it is worth it in the long run because *insert baseless platitude here*

Go read it yourself and draw your own conclusions, it's screamingly obvious.

>>9887124
>Would you accept someone from the hard left trying to label you as something politically offensive, thus dismissing any argument based on politics alone?

They do that all the time so I don't really give a shit. It is relevant because based on your reactions you have no real world experience in living in a "diverse" neighbourhood. If you want to try and confirm you are right, why not go ask people who have actually lived in these places? I'll tell you right now that if you said

>what we see is typically no change in white neighborhood standards

You would be laughed at for the rest of the day because that is fucking wrong. There is a reason that things called white flight and gentrification exist. Or are all whites just racist for wanting the freedom to live around their own race?

>>9887126
It could be a case of a "growing pain". A short-term cost for a long-term benefit. This is common with immigration policy.
If that is the case, then clearly any form of de-segregation should be done carefully, which is exactly what I advocate for, rather than haphazardly.
You would notice the way in which they handled the oak park incident was through providing an FDIC-esque insurance policy with the prevention of any public advertizing of selling homes. Essentially preventing a "bank run" in the neighborhood. If the entire society doesn't all up and leave (a bank run), then it doesn't cost the taxpayer a dime.

>>9887134
Growing pains that last half a century or more? give me a break. Show me a truly successfully integrated multicultural society, should be easy enough?

>>9887132
>It is relevant because based on your reactions you have no real world experience in living in a "diverse" neighbourhood.
No it is not relevant. The only thing that is relevant is the data and the models which back up that data.
What you are doing is basically some pseudo-sociolgoist coming up to a person and saying, "You can't have any input on this topic because you are dog-whistling to all your racist friends. I'm here to back the little guy and punch up."
This is the very definition of appealing to "authority".
>If you want to try and confirm you are right, why not go ask people who have actually lived in these places?
Because, personally, its just more blather.
Look, I'm a logical empericist. I believe in structural modeling based on data collection and evaluating that data collection through some type of mathematical theoretical model. I'm not interested in "what are you ACTUALLY saying" deconstruction of arguments. It's all nonsense.
> There is a reason that things called white flight and gentrification exist.
Yes. And THIS is the reason: http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segregation/

>>9887105
Why do the Vietnamese who live next to Austin, Texas have their own little community where they segregated themselves from everyone else and aren’t even well off but they don’t commit any crime?

>>9887137
I already did.
On a grander scale: Europe in general. The Italian culture is significantly different from the french, which is different from the English, which is different from the danish, etc.
Free trade leads to the improvement of lives. Full stop.

>>9887144
see the shelling model.
The fundamental takeaway from the shelling model is you could have a completely indifferent preference towards who you wish to live next to (you do not care if your neighbor is white or yellow), and still end up significantly segregated.

>>9887144
>but they don’t commit any crime?
>I wonder why people would feel more safe in a homogeneous society
It's been proven that toddlers feel more safe around people of their own race (look like their parents)
To imply that this instinct goes away as you age is simply hubris

>>9887146
>Free trade leads to the improvement of lives. Full stop.
Oh, this is where we take our political views and pretend they're scientifically based. I get it.

>>9887146
That is an example of segregation not integration...

>>9887155
>pretend they're scientifically based.
take an economics course and find out yourself.

>>9887160
>Economics
>Not science, bastardizes math

>>9887156
No its a common example of integration. Fundamental societal cultures don't crumble when you integrate, anon. There will be french men in england, and there will be italian men in france. English is a common second language in Europe, since there is so much trade between them, they need to find a way to communicate with each other. English is the common merchant language. This is also true for a place like Singapore or Hong Kong, but those two place are irrelevant for the topic at hand even though they are some of the leading instances of import focused economies.

>>9887161
would you rather use a pseudoscience post-modernism approach of power struggles and politics? It sounds like you don't really have much a leg to stand on, so you have to politically demonize a recognized science.

>>9887037
there's a different between discussing important topics and setting oneself up as an expert in those topics.

>>9887065
>I don't want to go to school, therefore my ignorance is as good as your knowledge
this kind of thing is why core requirements are a thing even at meh-tier community colleges. even if you just want to become a retail manager or something, you should be given a grounding in the liberal arts and sciences so you have the capacity to understand the issues affecting your daily life.
>inb4 some retard flips out about the word "liberal" because he's a poo-flinging ignoramus who is triggered by words with multiple meanings

>>9887102
>thousands of years of inbreeding selecting for these traits because they have historically been bankers and accountants and such.
(((Jew))) here.
you're wrong, you massive faggot. the Jewish association with finance is only a couple centuries old and is the result of anti-Semites banning us from owning land or entering artisan trades.
congratulations you played yourself dot mp4

>>9887151
So then why do black people kill each other in areas where it’s all black? I’m just saying, there are areas all over the US with self-segregated societies with virtually no crime. Blacks are just violent and stupid by nature, every time there is evidence for this somebody will jump through hoops to avoid this fact.

>>9887174
Heh, nice yad.

>>9887163
Please clarify the ethnicities of the mass migrants that have succesfully integrated in European societies? You can't because European countries have been massively homogenous until very recently and there is no metric you can use to prove that the current migration hasn't been a total fucking disaster with no integration whatsoever.

>>9887176
>So then why do black people kill each other in areas where it’s all black?
well again, sociologically speaking, we know that when groups are segregated the minority feels a certain sense of alienation and contempt for themselves.
Imagine living in a society where you are not being policed by your peers, but some foreign alien to you.
Would you trust them if they really didn't like you all too much and looked at you like a low-life?
Would you call on them to help defend you, if someone is fucking your shit up?
If there is a distrust there, then why would you think people wouldn't capitalize on that, since the risk of getting caught with a crime is low?

>>9887181
>massively homogenous
Are you trying to claim that the Germans are the same as the Greeks?

>>9887197
Don't be disingenous. You know exactly what I mean. Classifying the whole of Europe as one country is a massive fallacy and within their countries the populations are (or have been until recently) homogenous, yet different to the countries around them. Sounds like the textbook definition of segregation to me.

>>9887191
>Imagine living in a society where you are not being policed by your peers, but some foreign alien to you.

Words out of your own mouth and you still can't understand why we want homogenous populations in our anceatral lands?

>>9887202
>You know exactly what I mean
Anon, ask a German whether or not they are sympathetic to the Greeks, and you will not get a buddy-buddy response.
>Sounds like the textbook definition of segregation to me.
Trade among the countries in Europe is common, anon. This includes emigration/immigration.

>>9887205
I don't get what you mean, anon. Have I ever said people should not be policed and judged by their peers? This is a pretty basic American law concept.

>>9887191
So let me ask again then. Why are Asians who are not well off, and hell, barely speak the language of the country they are in able to have non existent crime rates even when they are relatively poor? Nobody almost nobody is looking down to blacks as low-lifes these days, they are even praised by the media. They are given everything yet nowhere in the world are they able to prosper in areas where they are the majority.

>>9887211
>ask a German whether or not they are sympathetic to the Greeks, and you will not get a buddy-buddy response.

You are proving my point for me, separate but different. Comparing the handful of europeans that immigrate around the eu with fairly similar cultures to millions upon millions of entirely different people with massive cultural differences who have no intention of integration and form their own ethnic communities and ghettos is laughable.

>>9887215
wooosh

>>9887217
>Why are Asians who are not well off, and hell, barely speak the language of the country they are in able to have non existent crime rates even when they are relatively poor?
I haven't looked into this, but this is the general model on how/why people commit crime:
http://www.nber.org/chapters/c3625.pdf

It's evaluated through the perspective expected utility theory.
To put it simply, people commit crime because the reward is greater than the risk.
So I would assume the risk is too high for crime to be committed. As for why, I can't really say - as I have not looked into it.
>Nobody almost nobody is looking down to blacks as low-lifes these days.
You just did in your last post. Cops are frequently on edge in predominantly black neighborhoods. You could argue they have a justification to be, but that doesn't solve the issue. Societies should be policed by their peers, anon.

>>9887226
>You could argue they have a justification to be
/thread

>>9887219
>You are proving my point for me, separate but different.
Again, anon, just because there is integration doesn't mean people will lose their base cultures. There is no evidence of this.
>Comparing the handful of europeans that immigrate around the eu with fairly similar cultures to millions upon millions of entirely different people with massive cultural differences who have no intention of integration and form their own ethnic communities and ghettos is laughable.
This is the BIGGEST miss-characterization and hyperbolic language I have seen yet.

>>9887231
People have preferences, anon. What you are highlighting is not the point.
Whatever your preferences may be, people should be policed by their peers.

>>9887226
Yeah or they are bad at calculating risks because they have genetically low iq and impulse control which is why even when controlled for everything else they disproportionately commit more crimes and have lower iq.

>>9885889
>no evidence
You cant be serious, every human genius is living proof intelligence is all genetics retard.

>>9887235
>policed by their peers
You must not be American
Policing has nothing to do with our Judiciary outside of recommendations for prosecution
Private citizens are technically capable of doing the same thing
If they take it to court they WILL be judged by a jury of their peers

>>9885928
eye color

>>9886616
>so, like, I don't care even about this at ALL; smart people don't care about this
>the only people who care about this are gay faggets who are probably racist and dumb
>so yeah, I don't even care about this; see how above it I am? I'm totally above this and everyone who cares is dumb lol

>>9887233
You keep using the word integration without an understanding of what you are talking about. Dozens of countries with 95%+ homogenous populations and a very tiny minority of people from similar cultures moving between them is not integration. If you had a million frenchmen living in england and a million english living in germany, etc... you may have a point to score, but that is not the case.

>This is the BIGGEST miss-characterization and hyperbolic language I have seen yet.

I mean you can say thay all you want but what I said is factually correct and I challenge you to disprove it.

>>9887236
OR, just go with me here...
ORRR it's because there is a long history of segregation with black ghettos and white suburbs, reinforcing negative stereotypes and overall leading to a failure of governmental/market society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
We've been over this, anon.

>>9887018
>You are assuming IQ is unaffected by the environment around you
almost no one says/assumes this; nice strawman

>>9887240
>If they take it to court they WILL be judged by a jury of their peers
policed is different than a jury, anon.

>>9887249
OR OR OR
It has something to do with 1960-1970 black riots that drove all of the white families out of cities

>>9887253
I understand that. You clearly don't though.

>>9887249
Who says that intelligence of all races has to be equal? The magical fairness fairy? Asians have the the highest iq and the smallest stature GENETICALLY. Whites are usually larger and have lower iq. Blacks are more athletic but have the lowest iq. There’s is magical being policing genes to make sure they are fair. Maybe JUST maybe it’s a possibility that races differ mentally as well as physically!

>>9887258
Is there a magical being policing genes...********

>>9887249
Why do blacks even care about living around white people in the first place?

The ones who create the racist stereotypes are blacks, I literally see blacks dressed like criminals all the time in my city then they wonder why people are scared of them.

>>9887248
Then you cannot arrive to the conclusion that blacks are somehow "genetically inferior" to whites. IQ is a moving target. We have more literate people in the world today than in the past, anon.
Meanwhile there is a history of segregation associated to black and white societies. A history of barriers to trade that persist even to this day.

>>9887260
>I literally see blacks dressed like criminals all the time in my city then they wonder why people are scared of them.
That's racist anon. It's their culture to be criminals

>>9887261
>barriers to trade that persist even to this day.
Name one

>>9887137
>Show me a truly successfully integrated multicultural society, should be easy enough?
Uh, Earth, you dumb nigger? Duh..

>>9887261
And the chinese were treated like shit and forced to build railroads in the United States and then 3 generations later they are doctors. Weird.

>>9887258
Its human egoism, blacks and abos are living proof we were really stupid animals from the start that got lucky with natural selection they cause a fear that is primal in human beings because it breaks their ego. To deny that blacks are feral retards is to deny that humans are slaves to evolution slaves to their DNA just like all biological life on this planet. So when people say niggers are not dumb what they really mean is HUMANS ARE NOT DUMB HOW CAN HUMANS BE STUPID ITS IMPOSSIBLE!

>>9887261
It's very tiresome being told everything is whiteys fault despite half a century of bending over backwards for them.

>>9887261
Forget about that for now, lets discuss blacks being human cancer to their own kind since the end of segregation. It is unreal how many blacks blacks murder, rob, and rape in the USA compared to white on white violent crime victims.

>>9887267
Hmm I think the reason people deny reality and jump through any hoop possible to deny the fact that people with mostly sub-saharan genes is to feel good about themselves and help tell themselves that everyone equal when in reality that is not the case.

>>9887267
If abbos died out thousands of years ago, some anthropologist would have gotten the Nobel prize for discovering a long-lost ancestor

Blacks are obviously stupid as they look like simians the most out of all other humans, and come from a continent where most of the fauna is feral and prehistoric. Most people think black=african american so they dont see how alien the actual african black looks compared to a eurasian.

>>9887276
American blacks are 56% white

>>9887263
I've already did. Many times before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
Redlining persists even to this day. Even if it may be unintentional as the case with Thomas Schelling model.
>>9887266
Asians aren't really segregated from society, are they anon.

We are going around in circles here. I'm tired of "whataboutisms".
>>9887270
hey anon, like i said, I'm not someone interested in "power struggles" and astructural models diving into la-la land. Black people in ghettos should have equal access to trade just as white suburbs (just like the case of access to birth control pills with women/condoms for men), and all societies should be policed by their peers. Also legalize weed.

>>9887273
Blacks are too stupid to really have low self esteems so this isnt the case, the only ones rushing equality are white liberals and jews. Africans are tribal people equality of humans is an alien concept to them they only understand tribal supremacy thats why blacks act more like racial supremacist than any egalitarian in America. To the black equality is another word for supremacy.

>>9887283
>Redlining persists even to this day. Even if it may be unintentional as the case with Thomas Schelling model.
Respond to this comment
>>9887254
>https://www.nber.org/digest/sep04/w10243.html

>>9887261
>You are assuming IQ is unaffected by the environment
I do not assume IQ is unaffected by the environment; nice strawman
>Then you cannot arrive to the conclusion that blacks are somehow "genetically inferior" to whites
Who said that I did? You've now given your strawman a nice non sequitur to hold - "If you don't believe X then you cannot reach conclusion Y".

IQ scores are the result of genetics, environment AND both of these variables interacting with one another, on one another, over time.

>>9887283
>Black people in ghettos
Literally the most dangerous humans in America, they should be walled off from humanity entirely.

>>9887274
this is accurate

>>9887283
Are you saying blacks don't have the same access to birth control as white people do in America? Do you read your own posts?

>>9887283
Wait, there’s still segregation going on today? Hmm I thought they got rid of that decades ago! Maybe segregated by their own victim complex...

>>9887288
>environment
But how many points does environment raise genetic IQ that is the real question.

I mean African American have a constant 84 IQ which is higher than African Black 68 IQ, African Americans are 30% white so just think about this for a moment.

>>9887302
Holy shit that's scary how well those numbers coincide

>>9885889
Geographical distance caused differences in skin color to develop over time, why not in certain aspects of intelligence?

>>9887287
>>https://www.nber.org/digest/sep04/w10243.html
Overall that sounds pretty bad. Though it sounds like it needs more looking into. I wouldn't be surprised though if conflict caused significant problems for them. This is true in other parts of the world too.
It's a downward spiral - economic turmoil leads to civil unrest, and civil unrest leads to economic turmoil. Stability and reliability is needed for an economy to function.
Besides MLK was assassinated, afterall. I would be pissed too back then.

>>9887310
So you admit that the fault is off of the white man as you implied here?
>>9887249
>>9887283
That it is on average black peoples' own fault that they're in the situation we see now.

>>9887294
Anon, in sociology, there is this thing we all know of when women, in general, were allowed to purchase birth control.
Economists said this would make women more sexually promiscuous (the risk of sex - a baby - decreases), but the benefits of sexual liberation for women would be greater than the costs. This was resisted with backlash from the church and other individuals in society which shunned "impure" women. And also spreading of STD's (though economics says it may be better to have slightly more partners rather than less to reduce STD issues).
Allowing women access to birth control is an example of what happens to society when you allow people to trade (it grows even faster). In other words, the world is better not only for women, but for everyone, when we let them have access to birth control.

This has been the case since the dawn of time. Allow people to trade, you will see Pareto improvements.
Allow Black communities to integrate wisely through cost benefit analysis and you will see improvements.

>>9887317
>So you admit that the fault is off of the white man as you implied here?
MLK was assassinated, anon.
There was conflict. It was tragic it took place. It sounds like it contributed to everyone's problems. Conflicts should be avoided. It's not good for the economy.

>>9887332
Let that be a lesson to future minorities
Chimp out on a national scale and you fuck your race for generations to come
Stop trying to shift the blame

>>9887334
>Let that be a lesson to ...
They would say the same thing to you.

>>9887302
>how many points does the (historical and immediate) environment raise IQ*
That depends on the initial genetics, the historical environment(s), and the way in which these variables interact with one another.

It's complicated.

>>9887324
That was a great deal of pontificating to avoid the question.

>>9887337
My people know not to do that anymore
We destroyed Cuba and it remains fucked to this day
Learn from your mistakes, anon
Shifting the blame on to others like blacks love to do is the exact opposite of this

>>9887324
>what happens to society when people trade is that it grows even faster
>therefore the world is far better for everyone involved when we trade, obviously
this is such a shitty argument

>>9887349
You don't believe in infinite growth, anon?

>>9887351
Anyone who does needs their head examined desu

>>9887351
That depends on the context; for the context of monetary and goods economies of the world, no.

You don't NOT believe in entropy, do you anon?

>>9887359
>You don't NOT believe in entropy, do you anon?
I don't believe in anything. I accept the predictive capability of it.

>>9887324
>but the benefits of sexual liberation for women would be greater than the costs
Truly, sexual liberation was a boon for society. Where would we be without teenage girls who have already sucked off 10 guys at school, college-age women engaging in slutwalks and crying rape at any sidelong glances, rampant single motherhood, and massive political support for the homosexual and transgender movements?

>>9887363
>massive political support for the homosexual and transsexual movements?
You forgot to add the "pedo acceptance" movement

>>9887356
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RTFPNAUSA632NRUG

the end of the world is coming. i promise.

>>9887363
It was literaly sexual enslavement. Without the previous social stigmas associated with sex, this highly pleasurable act becomes fair game all the time and as a consequence can become mentally addictive, much like computer games and anime can be for males. It's like giving meth to a 10 year old and are surprised when they get hooked.

>>9887368
Its not our fault women are subhuman, gays can fuck man ass just fine without destroying society. Sexual enslavement is better than relying on the actual female sexual strategy which is breed with genetic elite male enslave the rest.

>>9887361
>I don't believe in anything
okay, so when you say:
>I accept the predictive capability of it
what is "it"?

>>9887368
>It's like giving meth to a 10 year old and are surprised when they get hooked.
It's worse than giving meth to 10 year olds because we actively encourage it
Imagine if it was actively encouraged to have a talk with your 5 year old about safe meth use
>The pipes and amphetamines

>>9887373
The mathematical model contained within

>>9887377
Contained within what, anon?

>>9887374
Its encouraged because white men dont understand women they think women are just men with vaginas thats why they assume women can feel love and wont just discard them for another cock the moment their vagina gets too used to theirs. To the average white man the idea that women view men like men see hammers is downright unfathomable. Gay men on the otherhand understand women because their inability to be aroused makes them able to view women in more rational light.

>>9887372
>gays can fuck man ass just fine without destroying society
?

>>9887372
>gays can fuck man ass just fine without destroying society
So it's the women's fault that they're having LGBTQLMNOP+-50% rallies at elementary schools in the US?
>https://www.newsweek.com/lgbt-sexual-health-education-activist-mommy-elizabeth-johnston-planned-876997

>>9887367
There are finite resources on this planet. Many are being stretched to breaking point already. A few of these include fresh water aquifers globally being depleted at an alarming rate, arable land is nearly maxed out, what we currently farm is basically a sponge that we throw petrochemicals on. There is also dwindling fish supplies due eggregious overfishing not to mention the insane amount of plastic pollution.

We are already on the edge and capitalists think it can just keep on rolling, this planet is almost totally fucked and we seriously need to gtfo soon to avoid self extinction, once space colonies are established you COULD have more or less infinite growth.

>>9887379
>>9887361
>I accept the predictive capability of entropy and the mathematical model contained within.

>>9887380
>It's all white men's fault
Found the woman

>>9887381
Look at homos before jews went into overdrive they were just an irrelevant minority of dudes who liked having sex with dudes. Trannies are proof women are cancer because they are men with female brains.

Damn, it’s fun to watch how many hoops liberals will jump through to deny the fact that sub-saharn genes are inferior

>>9887324
Birth rates are becoming lower thanks to female birth control. The hormones of the pill acuumulate in tap water lowering the birth rates of women and making men more feminine. Female birth control is a total disaster.

>>9887402
They're turning the frogs gay!

I know that it is 20 years before you will understand it but IQ is highly dependant on microbiome.

Your brain feeds on jutrients that your bacteria produce and cultures that have developed their own way of breeding and eating bacteria have the highest IQ. Look at jews and beer, koreans and kimchi,....

>>9887408
This.
Drink two teaspoons of "apple cider vinegar with mother" per night and get plenty of omega-3
You will notice a difference within days

>>9885889
You haven't even read the book. All the outrage surrounding it is manufactured.

>>9885908
Wow, it's almost like OP is a raging faggot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>9886108
>>9886191
>>9886974
>>9887239
>>9887432
>>9887433


I liked your call with sam seder
https://youtu.be/dlN9plBx6Ho

>>9885889
>THIS BOOK IS HIGHLY DISCREDITED
Right
>THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST IQ IS GENETIC RATHER THAN ENVIRONMENTAL
Wrong, and falseflagging /pol/ infiltrator detected

>>9887171
>liberal
OOGAA BOOGAAA AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH OOOGA BOOGA BUUUUUUU

>>9885889
>THIS BOOK IS HIGHLY DISCREDITED
wrong
>THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST IQ IS GENETIC RATHER THAN ENVIRONMENTAL.
also wrong

>>9885889
>THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST IQ IS GENETIC
Except adopted children correlate to the IQ of their biological parents, not their adopted parents.

>>9887578
source?

>>9887580
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1131149

>This study tested the hypothesis that adopted children's individual IQs are more related to the individual social status ranks of their biological parents than to those of their adopting parents. Data from 20 Mexican-American and 21 white biological and adopting families in which the IQ score of the adopted child was available show that (1) there was no significant selective placement of these children in adopting homes, (2) there was no significant correlation between the midparent social-education rank of the adopting parents and their adopted children's IQ, and (3) there was a strong correlation between the midparent social-education rank of the biological parents and their children's individual intelligence ranks.

>there was a strong correlation between the midparent social-education rank of the biological parents and their children's individual intelligence ranks.

>>9887585
Here, let me jump through the next hoop for the science denying lefty who doesn’t think it’s conclusive:
1. For brown kids being adopted by white parents:
>they grew up feeling isolated because they noticed that they were different from their parents which hindered their ability to flourish mentally
2. For white kids adopted by brown parents(yeah right):
>the white kids grew up in a society which they are privileged in so they were able to learn at maximum potential
Or something like that right science deniers? Please respond.

I wonder when images like this one become illegal. I’d say about 10 years in Europe and 15 in the states.

>>9887634
Are those scientific claims?
Are those claims falsifiable?

>>9887638
>children's backgrounds
>doesn't list race of child

>>9887638
South Africa here.

It's already illegal here. You could be thrown in jail for posting it on facebook etc.

Suppression of data in the 21st century. We have not grown up as a species at all in the last 3000 years.

>>9887638
It should be illegal to post cheerypicked snippets that misrepresent the source material.

>>9887645
>We have not grown up as a species at all in the last 3000 years.
No, we have grown. It is just that the inferior species that we beat hundreds of years ago and later gave freedom to are 3000 years behind us in terms of evolution.

>>9885928
This is a good rule when it comes to anything controversial.
>>9887242
Even that can be effected by trauma, liver problems, maybe other things.

>>9887018

>imagine actually believing this

Lmaoing @ your life

>>9887243
This. It's not because you don't care about a certain subject(wich in this case, is milked by the (((160IQ))) poltards) that you are smarter than them. Theirs is a serious topic and it should be taken seriously, but i don't believe that the solutions /pol/offers are the best ones.

>>9887658
>behind in terms of evolution

>>9887658
>behind us in terms of evolution.
They're not behind us, any more than chimpanzees are. They are simply adapted to a different environment, one where low time preference is not a competitive feature.

>>9885889
If that's true then why do black people who have been living on western countries for centuries still only have an average IQ of 86? Explain that to me, and don't say it's entirely environmental.

>>9888344
"African Americans," or self proclaimed black people in the USA are on average 20-30% white
Average white IQ in USA being 100, African Americans have a mean IQ of 85.
120% of 85 is 102, which is well within the margin of error of IQ tests.

>>9887191
That's why they kept cops out of Baltimore's black zones because of muj racism and then later were crying about the massive spike in murder and theft and assault
True story

>>9885889
Its not widely discredited.

Its widely sprinkled with SJW tiers.

>>9885943
If that is true then why are you shutting down debate?

>>9885889
ofcourse iq is genetic. the difference between each of us is probably genetically very high. but with race? we zon't kno ziss.

Move to the new thread

>>9888406
>>9888406
>>9888406

NEW STUDY WITH 1.1 million people, largest genetics research into intelligence ever, uncovers the key to super-intelligence.

>>9888363
Hilarious argument.

If the margin for error for black people could be higher. Then so could the margin for error for white people be higher. And for all the other races, basically leaving us exactly where we started.

There is no reason to use margin for error to assume that everyone is either higher or lower depending on your bias and how you feel the facts would be fair.

The problem with your thinking is that you are biased. You belive that because someone has a lower IQ that makes them inferior, and you will fight that fact and bend truth to make it not so. But what if i told you that having a low IQ doesnt make you inferior?
Sure you wont be winning any science fairs, but you may have other attributes that arnt being measured, you could be extremely strong, or tough, or agile, or have a really great immune system. You could have the cure to cancer inside of you, or have won the genetic lottery in any number of ways that arnt related to the brain. On top of this it is my believe that each humans difference makes them talented in some way, and that there is literally so many different fields you could be talented in, in this universe, that eveyone has a niche.
But lets not talk about niches, lets talk about rough areas. Things you are bad at. Areas which need to be improved upon. Before you can improve you have to accept theres a problem. Black people need to accept that many of them need to improve in intelligence. Infact most black people do understand that. Its only bleeding hearts that try to go into denial about this. I know many black people, and they are more able to admit theres room for improvement than you might think. This doesnt make anyone inferior, infact it is actually bravery.

>>9888430
Holy shit I can't believe somebody fell for that pasta
It doesn't even make mathematical sense

>>9888432
Im not sure i did.

>>9888430
>But what if i told you that having a low IQ doesnt make you inferior?
Cope, but thanks for not denying science for once and admitting black are subhuman.

>>9888432
You obviously fell for it based on your response:
>"If the margin for error for black people could be higher. Then so could the margin for error for white people be higher. And for all the other races, basically leaving us exactly where we started."

>>9888439
Meant to link here
>>9888435

>>9885889
But this book's main point doesn't really depend on the origin of population-level differences, you fucking moron. Murray says so explicitly. It could be that niggers have shit IQ because of a compound antiniggerin Y sprayed by KKK scientists all over the world, and that still wouldn't change the fact that they're inclined to commit crime and unfit for work due to their low IQ being a perfect measure of their low intelligence.

>>9888412
Because you can't debate with /pol/. I'll debate with an intellectual.

>>9887638
>adopted
>with XXX biological parents
But what race are the adopters?

>>9885908
Don't really need to, the fear doesn't come from IQ, it comes from genetic factors.

Joy, another Meme-Q thread:

ITT:
>IQ is valid and here are some highly discredited studies to prove it
>IQ justifies my ignorant bigotry and discrimination of black people because they have lower meme scores
>t. brainlet
>IQ is/isn't genetic

This is borderline psuedoscience. Every psychologist worth his salt considers IQ to be an antiquated metric worth virtually nothing of value.

Yes, black people score lower on IQ tests. Black people are also discriminated against by the system and generally raised in less than optimal socioeconomic situations. Guess what? IQ tests have a CONFIRMED cultural/racial bias.

This board is literally a clone of /pol/ at this point. Christ.

>>9889017
I can’t wait for it to be proven genetically so you can finally shut up and accept what everyone else already knows. Turns out there isn’t a magical force keeping all of the races (products of evolution) exactly equal so you can feel good about yourself!

>>9889025
IQ has been used for nearly 100 years. It has yet to be 100% proven as exclusively genetic.

Keep trying, alt-righter

>>9889027
>exclusively genetic.
Find me one person who believes it's 100% genetic
Current studies put it at 50-80%
To disregard it entirely due to this fact is missing the entire purpose of IQ

>>9889027
It’s definitely genetic but not 100%. Races aren’t all exactly the same, deal with it.

>>9889037
Race is a social construct.

>>9889039
Yup, you’re insane. Get your regressive anti-science dogma the fuck out.

>>9889039
Social constructs aren't 50-80% genetic

>>9889052
>facts are insane

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/

>>9889057
Yup also genes are a social construct and sex is also a social construct. You’re exactly right and there’s no way that opinion piece you linked was product of the political climate.

>>9889061
You didn't even read the fucking thing, did you?

Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrelevant_conclusion

>>9889062
>What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one, even when recent migration is disregarded
Lol, yup there truly is no such thing as race after all! Jesus man you might as well say “humans all have two arms and two legs therefore there is no such thing as different races.”

>>9889017
Why do jews and gooks score higher if there is a cultural bias?

>>9889079
Because they were slaves 100s of years ago even though Asians were also discriminated against and the Japanese were even thrown into pseudo prisons but ended up higher than average.

>>9889070
>such thing as race
Why is it always extremes with you people? This is flawed logic. Race is a method of categorization, so it "exists." It's also a weak proxy of genetic diversity, as the article states. Holy shit.

>>9889086
>saying race exists is now extremism
cringe, back to where you came from you actual cretin

>>9889086
>It's also a weak proxy of genetic diversity
Interesting that it's such a weak proxy and yet the phenotypical differences are noticeable by infants

>>9887261
>Then you cannot arrive to the conclusion that blacks are somehow "genetically inferior" to whites.

Then YOU can't arrive to the conclusion that blacks are genetic equals to whites. If you were actually a scientist, and we didn't have any evidence that black failure is mostly genetic (which is false, but I'll play nice and pretend we lived 40 years ago where that was true) then you need to take the null position.

And the null position isn't pretending that genetics aren't real, and that "sociology" explains gaps between races. The null position is accepting that blacks are not equal to whites because 50% of their IQ is the result of environment and 50% of it is the result of genes.

And yet here you are, a black person denying genetics and trying to come up with these lame sociological explanation which have ZERO scientific evidence. Sorry jackass, you aren't allowed to deny genes when its convenient for you, and thats how you're denying genes. You're not denying genes because you actually have any scientific evidence of equality between races (there is no evidence that races are equal, which makes racial equality essentially a pseudo-scientific belief) nor because you think you have a solid case against the genetic explanation for IQ gaps, but it is clear you deny IQ differences between black and whites out of insecurity. You reek of insecurity when you scream /pol/ and going BUT BUT WHITEY WILL THINK US INFERIOR. You're just a creationist.

Keep in mind, that even your weak and inconsistent sociological explanations can be replaced with genetic explanations that have more consistency.

Maybe all those "negative" blacks experiences are the result of their genes, not environment. So saying "segregation" had a negative impact on blacks is almost pointless, since segregation was just whites imposing institutional structures in response to black behavior. Why else would "segregation" appear in the black majority areas of the US only?

>>9889079
Because they tend to be raised in scenarios where education takes precedence over other matters.

Africans have to focus on survival and little more.

>>9889095
/thread
all virtue signalers and brainlets back to where you came from

>>9889017
>Every psychologist worth his salt considers IQ to be an antiquated metric worth virtually nothing of value.
KEK; nice meme, friend.

>>9889027
>It has yet to be 100% proven as exclusively genetic
>Keep trying, alt-righter
Oh wow, your memes are really great :')

>>9889039
this is a troll, /sci/

>>9888430
It is amazing how /sci/ opened up my eyes to how dumb leftists and blacks can really get. Like this line gives it away

>someone has a lower IQ that makes them inferior

This is what drives their denial of racial differences, IQ being genetic in general. You hear that word crop up "inferior" "inferior", its the anti-/pol/ mantra were they believe they are being good human beings in their little moral social crusader against the truth. Of course IQ can't be genetic, that would imply "inferiority".

Its not even just him, you even see opponents like Eric Turkheimer bring up the "inferiority" mantra. IQ can't exist, or the Holocaust is gonna happen again. Their opposition to IQ and race differences is not rational. Its not logical. Its purely emotional egoism and insecurity.

Because THEY are the ones who decided to pin humanity with intelligence. Imagine if these guys were applying these SAME arguments to height. I mean, you could easily make the same boneheaded sociological explanations for why there are height differences in people, or why black people have darker skin then whites. It ain't genetic, rather, due to slavery and prejudice, and responses to racism, this causes human skin to go darker.

Do they think that by recognizing down syndrome people, we think these people are "inferior"?

>>9889095
based post

>>9889127
Exactly. Who or what is this fairness fairy that is making sure that billions of years of evolution and survival of the fittest ended with all races of human ending up with no differences whatsoever cognitively even though they are physically very different from one another.

>>9889098
>Africans have to focus on survival and little more...
...becasue they be dumb af, nigger

>>9888483
Wrong. The reason why /pol/ wins every argument is simple. They accept a truth, that genes influence intelligence, and its really easy to win these debates because your opponents unironically believe that genes aren't real.

Anti-/pol/ faggots DENY that genes influence intelligence. In fact, they deny genes PERIOD. To them, there is no way that genetics can possible influence human traits, and when you engage with them long enough, you can see the EXTENT that they deny genes. At best, they seem to think genes are just some passive construct, and they are done with humans after you're born. Remember, the USSR banned the study of genetics, and promoted Lamarckism for a reason. If these faggots could, they would all be preaching Lamarckism and calling "genetics" a pseudoscience, because Lamarckism appeals to their strange worldview. I don't even know how the FUCK these people can believe in human evolution, if the mechanism responsible for human evolution, according to them, has 0 influence on humans ever. IQ can't be genetic. Intelligence can't be genetic. Only environmental. Which makes no sense, if intelligence was environmental, and not genetic. Then it would have been impossible for intelligence to evolve in the first place.

The people who believe genes are smarter then the people who deny genetics.

Damn, I’ve never seen anti-science regressives get blown out so decisively in a thread.

>>9889147
>/pol/ always wins
>anyone who doesn't subscribe to our batshit obsession with race and IQ thinks genes are fake
>if you're opposed to racism you must be a commie
>not believing that different races have different intelligences means you're anti-evolution
>we r smort
I can't wait for summer to be over.

>>9889350
>thinking iq can differ genetically by race is “batshit obsession”
I’d actually say that jumping through any hoop possible against all common sense to frame everything in a way where Iq has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with environment is a little bit crazier not to mention anti-science
>not believing that different races have different intelligences means you’re anti-evolution
believing that something like race which is vastly different physically magically stops at the brain is pretty anti-evolution and anti-science my little brainlet friend.

>>9885943
>be racist
>go on /sci/
>argue against racists
?????????????????????????

>>9889350
>if you're opposed to racism you must be a commie
Why would you be against racism?
Xenophobia is a strong instinct, as much as other phobias, and is a strong evolutionary factor.
What's so bad about it?

>>9885889
what? there is much evidence to suggest so! A study just yesterday showed polygenic linked to educational attainment. Inadvertent correlation to intelligence suggested.
The whole nature nurture debate has been over for a while-nature has won. It's a matter of identifying the genes now responsible for intelligence. You're way behind!!

>>9889837
>A study just yesterday showed polygenic linked to educational attainment.
Are you purposely misrepresenting that study or...? The study literally said it's a correlative predictor, and that the environment is the main contributor to educational attainment.

>>9889372
>jumping through any hoop possible against all common sense to frame everything in a way where Iq has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with environment
cool strawman senpai
>superficial differences imply differences in the brain
see >>9889339
it turns out that divergence in some traits doesn't necessarily mean that all other traits must diverge.

>>9889546
2/10 b8

>>9889978
>it turns out that divergence in some traits doesn't necessarily mean that all other traits must diverge.
If only there was some way to test whether there is a difference between the mean intelligence of various racial groups, and to test the degree of heritability of intelligence.

>>9890339
If only there was some way to attribute specific genes to specific brain functions under specific environmental conditions. That's what you meant to say, right? You can't possibly think "race" is hard-tied to these things. You can't possibly think "heretability" means genes that interact independent of environment. You can't.

>>9890354
What are the environmental conditions that make American blacks score consistently and significantly lower on IQ tests, pray tell?

>>9891070
>>9890354
Or if you'd prefer, what are the environmental conditions that result in Chinese being shorter on average than Scandinavians?

>>9885889
Well why don't scientists agree that IQ is mostly genetic? I'm pretty convincedeven though I still think it's possible to increase IQ. It's just doesn't make sense that it isn't.

>>9891105
Twin studies (where they separate two monochorionic twins at birth and study their IQ later in life after growing up in different environments) put the genetic influence at 50-80%.
This uncertainty range makes it very difficult to discern whether it's a vast majority genetic, slightly genetic, or 50/50

>>9891110
50-80% heritable*. Not genetic. Heritability can include environmental factors.

>>9891070
Is IQ 100% genetic or something?

>>9891110
What about IQ not being static? That's neither environmental or genetic.
The Wikipedia page says this IQ thing isnt accepted among psychologists.

>>9891122
Not for monochorionic twins separated at birth, as they share the same amniotic fluid and placenta.
Or are you trying to discredit twin studies here in general?

>>9891128
It's a useful statistical tool, like BMI. It has predictive value, it has genetic predispositions, but there's so much more factoring into it.

>>9891128
>What about IQ not being static?
This is due to a misuse of the figure
The truth is IQ tells you much less about the individual than it does for proper subsets of society

>>9887018
America is smarter than it was 50 years ago

In average yes, only because the left portion is less retarded. Sat scores have been declining though.

>>9891105
genetic determinism is a hard sell in general, even if you completely disregard all of the racial stuff, our entire economic system revolves around the noble lie of working hard and being dedicated and that anyone can make it and hard genetic determinism throws a wrench into that entire mythology

>>9885889
>THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST IQ IS GENETIC RATHER THAN ENVIRONMENTAL.
false

>>9887060
>learn how to collect and organize data
please don't tell me you actually had to be taught how to do this. It's literally ALL online

>>9889350
>/pol/ always win

Yes, /pol/ always win. /pol/ is correct, genes are real and they affect intelligent. You are incorrect, you think genes aren't real and that intelligence isn't affected by genes. /pol/ always win.

>anyone who doesn't subscribe to our batshit obsession with race and IQ thinks genes are fake

Yes, because you are holding an anti-scientific worldview, and you need to be actively shamed and debunked to ensure your false worldview doesn't poison other minds. Race and IQ is caused by genetics. That's a theory that is strongly supported by the facts. And you think its okay to lie and support an anti-scientific lie solely because you are a sad little loser who hates /pol/. And the reason why you hold your WRONG opinion is motivated by insecure feelings and political ideology. And its a batshit ideology, not only do you think races aren't genetically predisposed to different level of cognitive ability, but you are so insane that you think genes have ZERO effect on human intelligence, human behavior and human personality, even though genes DO effect animals which is why EVOLUTION of behavior is EVEN FUCKING POSSIBLE. If behavior wasn't genetic, it would have been impossible for hermit crabs to exchange shells. Such behavior evolved because such behavior was advantageous for hermit crabs because the behavior is partly genetic and thus could be passed down.


>if you're opposed to racism you must be a commie

Yes actually, because only communist think intelligence and behavior isn't influenced by genes. Its why the USSR banned the study of genetics, because genetics, like race and IQ, debunked your narrow minded worldview.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressed_research_in_the_Soviet_Union

So yes, if you oppose "racism", that means you bought into worldview that no one else shares. And you need to learn to understand that "racism" is a meaningless word if it makes you think its acceptable to deny racial differences in IQ caused by genetics.

>>9886060
>>over 50% of murders
as if the death, crippling cost and total waste of the "War in Iraq" was not as criminal as streetcorner murder.

>>9891613
>Whataboutism

>>9889350
>not believing that different races have different intelligences means you're anti-evolution

Yes, you are denying evolution and genetics. It is IMPOSSIBLE to believe in human evolution if you deny that intelligence isn't genetic. If its not genetic, how could intelligence evolved? Are you gonna use some sociologically narrative as to how human intelligence and brains grew over the past million years. Is sociological reasons the main cause as to why dolphins can't build civilization? No, its genetics. Sociological explanations are weak and ironically, end up doing more to support genetic interpretation because they provide a superior, consistent explanation. Genetic explanation provide the best simplest explanation for worldwide black failure. Environmental anti/pol/ determinism need to create a million sociological explanations to explain worldwide black failure because inconsistent pop up at every single turn. It is a pseudoscience used by people who do not want to admit that intelligence is a function of the genes that built the brain.

So sorry, you only have 2 consistent position. You either deny the entire field of genetics, or you hold the idiotic idea that IQ IS genetic, behavior IS genetic, personality IS GENETIC, but for some reason, even though EVERY SINGLE GENETIC TRAIT is susceptible to population differentiation, IQ, behavior, and personality do not differ for human populations, but cranial shape and skin color did.

>I can't wait for summer to be over.

You are an insecure loser who is WRONG. You deny genetics. You will ALWAYS lose to /pol/ because you are WRONG. You deserve to be ostracized. You deserve to be insulted. You are the biggest moron, you are low status. You need to shun your face away from this topic, and learn that you have NO right to speak about race and IQ ever. Or face the humiliation until the day you die, denying that IQ is genetics even as entire nations see results thanks to this information.

>>9891621
There is actually decent evidence that abstract thinking and language complexity are linked
IQ stands at 50-80% genetic though

>>9891105
>Well why don't scientists agree that IQ is mostly genetic?

All the relevant experts on the field DO. Have you ever read papers from the intelligence journal? They speak of intelligence as being so genetic, that the anti-/pol/ tards would be screaming their lungs at that these people actually believe IQ is genetic.

>The Wikipedia page says this IQ thing isnt accepted among psychologists.

I dunno where the FUCK you read that, since IQ is one of the most accepted and reputable psychometric in all of psychology. IQ is still used routinely by numerous organizations.

>>9885908
Yes, the Jews and Asians will rise. The other races must be stomped out.

>>9891618
>le new useful buzzword that brainlets now seem to love to repeat
Kill yourself, honestly. Don't ever use that retarded fucking expression on /sci/ again you little nigger. I feel a deep desire to smash the cranium of brainlets thus inducing permanent brain damage. You see the problem with brainlets is not how different they are from me and other geniuses, the problem lies in the similarities. It's the uncanny valley applied to intelligence. Think of someone who is legitimately retarded and with down syndrome. This person isn't upsetting, emotionally I barely even register them as a person. But now visualize the average 115 IQ pseud brainlet who will look impressive to normies and receive praise occasionally. Now these people feel uncanny, disgusting, repugnant, precisely because of how close they are to a true genius whilst being so far away (emphasis on this last bit). Anyway kill yourselves pseuds/brainlets

>>9891632
>New
Kill yourself, faggot

>>9891629
>IQ is still used routinely by numerous
It's used by the US military
To say that IQ has no use loses its meaning as soon as people start to use it with successful results

>>9891639
You're obviously a brainlet. I've noticed the trend, this year especially "whataboutism" became really popular. Tis' disgusting to see brainlets hide behind expressions such as this when cornered, a way to evade being exposed as idiots. Now kill yourself, faggot. The word is indeed new to all the brainlets who just learned it and added it to their brainlet rhetorical sophist toolbox

>>9891649
Not gonna lie, I don't think we've had that many months, assuming the year markers refer to the 1st of January.

>>9889978
>give bait ranking
>posts bait himself
1/10; glad I didn't respond

>>9890354
>You can't possibly think "heretability" means genes that interact independent of environment.
Well, he "could", but chances are that he doesn't; almost no one does, so please don't fight straw men, fagget.

>>9891128
>wikipedia says this IQ thing isn't accepted among psychologists
>(((psychology)))
>this IQ thing
you have to go back

>>9887060
classism at its finest.
The fact that you guys consider yourselves "socialists" or even "communists" is hilarious.
And btw, I have a math MSc.
I also share the opinion that formal education is in no way needed to learn about such matters
>collect and organize data
in today's world with widespread access to Internet and lots of resources (especially in this age of machine learning, when you have resources to learn statistics ubiquitously).

Fuck off with your simulated leftism bourgeois.

>>9891639
Top analysis and refutation/response, fuckwit.

>>9887641
Are you blind or stupid? It states biological Parent (of the adopted child), not the race of the adopting People. To be comparable, they all have to be like white and evangelical.

>>9891681
It's true.
If you think that's a new phrase, that means it's new to you which means you're an absolute fucking retard and society would be better off without you

>>9887060
>Go learn about how to collect and organize data.
>Get yourself an education, instead of relying on gut-instinct and personal perception.
I'm not the same guy, but perhaps ironically, following this advice his how I became "racist."
My gut instincts and personal perceptions tended toward egalitarian conclusions about human nature.
But the data makes these conclusions simply untenable.

>>9891649
>Because it's becoming popular now it must be new and also brainlet because everything new is brainlet
You go too

>>9891693
>being this brain-dead

>>9891769
Gonna leave it to the lurkers to decide who's more retarded here

>>9885889
Unless you're Jewish, right?

>>9891698
This retard doesn't understand a normal distribution. Retard, I'll explain, popularity will always require retardation, that is because there are very few non-brainlets. Kill yourself retard

>>9892284
Holy fuck how psued are you retards here?

>>9892287
Nice try retard, we see through pseud veneer. Take the Avengers, this is necessarily mostly loved by brainlets because it has more fans that non-brainlets exist. Now kill yourself pseud

>>9892291
>Therefore anyone who enjoys a movie you don't is a brainlet
How the fuck do people like you even survive?

>>9892291
So if out of 100 people only 1 isn't a brainlet and the popularity of something increases drastically, unless there is a significant bias indeed popularity very very likely requires brainletism. Obviously though there is a bias, these individuals aren't randomly selected, but precisely "whataboutism", "ad hom" and other responses ripped from wikipedia and reddit actually are biased in FAVOUR of pseuds/ insecure brainlets.

>>9892297
I don't consume pleb brainlet media. We survive by employing elitism.

I modified the "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company. " -> "Any community that glorifies excellence and doesn't adhere to harsh heuristics and elitism will be overtaken by pseuds and brainlets"

A more eloquent gentleman might wish to improve on this as to give it a more aphoristic feel.

But now onto my thoughts on pleb entertainment:
Why don't you hang out at a crackhouse? Because the people there are dumb dangerous drug addicts.

Why do people go to nightclubs? Because they are full of drunk sluts. (Having fun with friends isn't why nightclubs are full every day)

Now you see, many establishments are attractive because of the type of person and culture (itself defined by who frequents the establishment) they managed to attract/build. Another example's the fancy expensive restaurant. The food's not worth the price, it's all about being surrounded by people such as yourself.
How do we generalize to TV and Books? Well, we don't. But by definition a brainlet movie is a movie that is mostly loved by brainlets. This doesn't mean a non-brainlet movie is loved by intellectuals such as myself. Anyway I haven't fully fleshed out this theory of entertainment, if you a non-brainlet is reading this, feel free to contribute

>>9892325
This is the worst argument for elitism I've ever heard, and it only serves to highlight your own insecurities

>>9892328
“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”

Kill yourself

>>9892328
If you don't encourage and restrict growth so that mostly it comes from inside the group (analogous to inbreeding to retain bloodline purity) variation will gradually increase. Elitism is the way to combat this

>>9892345
Also true that you that in the dark it's impossible to tell how far your head is up your own ass

>>9892345
I just want to take everyone back to where this conversation began:
>>9891613
I'm hoping this is still the same person I'm talking to
That would make this rant that much more hilarious

>>9892363
No, I am not that anon and didn't read his posts

>>9892374
Oh. Well, to summarize:
>He responded to a post about black crime statistics
>His response was an example of the "tu quoquo" fallacy, where you discredit the argument by bringing up a separate topic
>Called it the shorthand "whataboutism" that even brainlets can understand
>Got called a brainlet myself
>Here we are 20 comments later arguing about a retarded point that pseud made
It's really just a giant waste of time

>>9892384
well it's ok for me as I view all of my time spent on /sci/ as wasted time

>>9885889
>THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST IQ IS GENETIC RATHER THAN ENVIRONMENTAL.

If genes have the ability to affect height, mental illnesses, strength, phenotypes, etc., then why don't they have the ability to affect ones cognitive potential?

I think we all know the answer here.... They do. Most within the scientific community agree that we've evolved, yet hesitate to point out that we all have evolved in significantly different climates. Epigenetics also proves that the idea of eugenics is sound. Europeans, among all, have substantially more experience in embracing eugenics.

Is it really that difficult to think that over the course of thousands of years, that perhaps we've evolved differently than other beings? In one aspect, yes, IQ is impacted by environment, but let's not discredit the importance genetics play within intelligence. No matter how much you teach a gorilla sign language, they'll never be able to express themselves and understand to the ability of a human.

>>9887217
>Nobody almost nobody is looking down to blacks as low-lifes these days, they are even praised by the media.

you're out of your fucking mind dude.

>>9892483
My European friends were amazed to hear that in America we're only 13% black
This is because all of their experience with the US is filtered through the media.
I asked them to guess what the percentage actually was, and they said 50%.
If that's not acceptance I don't know what is.

>>9892483
It literally doesn’t matter how many times I say “nigger” behind closed doors when there is legislation objectively helping black people. What matters is how they are treated as a whole by society and they are treated like children and coddled at every turn.

>>9892488
Doesn't matter, this is like saying "black people have made it, Obama was president!" when the fact is black people are still overwhelmingly socio-economically behind other groups. If I watch the nightly news, the majority of the stories broadcast to my major metropolitan area on crime are mugshots of black people who shot somebody in a parking lot, or killed a baby, or kidnapped their girlfriend, or whatever. The real perception is still fear and uncertainty in large parts of the country, but it varies by locality, mostly by context. My city also has a huge upscale shopping district that, somewhat ironically for our demogaphics, has a shit load of black people dressed in expensive clothes walking around. I'd hazard a guess that few people in the mall are afraid of their presence, because of the environment, security, and the fact the black people are dressed in trendy clothes obviously looking to shop. But in many other average contexts out in public people often are suspicious of the presence of black people.

I'm also not sure what Europeans perceptions have to do with anything. I've talked to some Japanese that literally said Koreans are much more insidious in Japan than black people in America because "Koreans don't believe in Japan, black people love America and are accepted as fellow citizens". Total bullshit, the last year was filled with a din from half the country about black sports players not standing for the anthem over racial issues. There is plenty of feeling that black people don't like America, but Japanese may not know this because they're foreign.

>>9892505
LOL they're coddled? Coddled is growing up in an area contiguous with high value property that gets you a good school. I've only been to black schools through our high school football team, and I was floored at how shit they were. They might get free food through SNAP or other forms of assistance, but relatively speaking it really doesn't matter when another group doesn't even need the help because the conditions of their lives are such that your assistance doesn't even match their lack of it.

>>9892505
Right, you found the problem. It's always been and always will be "the government"

>>9891669
>glad I didn't respond
I have some bad news for (You)

IQ is at least 3/4ths genetic and education does little to improve it. I dropped out of the sixth grade, my father sat in front of a tv every day and thus 4chan has been closer to a father to me, and have an iq in the 130s. I attended junior year of high school for a single month then dropped out again and got a GED. Enrolled in community college a while back, murdered every class, now starting at a decent university.

I had basically no formal education, and yet my iq is still quite high. Stop this neo-lysenkoism. There's a reason why blacks do poorly everywhere, and why Jews have produced so many geniuses.

If you really care about blacks, the best way to help them is to admit they are by nature dumber, so that one day scientists can splice in the genes for intelligence. Eugenics is the only way we can achieve equity between the races, and actually end racism.

>>9892512
>black people love America
>Total bullshit
Got that right

>>9887658
>behind us in terms of evolution
I thought this was the science board?

>>9889546
>What's so bad about it?
It's bad because it often gets in the way of improving global happiness. Just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it's necessarily good. If other people are bad then it should be reason and not instinct that tells you so.

>>9893861
>xenophobia is bad because it gets in the way of improving global happiness
In what way? How are you measuring "global happiness"? If one person is feeling terrible and another is feeling great, and the only way to alleviate the suffering of the former is by averaging the values, is this necessarily the right thing to do?
>just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it's necessarily good
Obviously, and furthermore, just becasue we do something out of love, with good intentions, this doesn't mean that the expected outcome will manifest.
>reason and not instinct
You know what reason tells me? That the old adage "You can be full of kindness and love, but you cannot sleep next to a mad dog." is more true than it is false.