/sci/ - Science & Math

>Why didn't I go into CS edition*
ftfy

>>9878182
Business degrees are literally garbage.

>>9878324
And yet they're significantly more employable. I inoe the guy that manages my local Target store. He has a business degree and is making $80k fresh out of college, which is much more than anyone else here can say.

>>9877225
>>9877846
Bros does this job: >>9877271 Sound like it will be hard for someone with no experience?

>>9878346
Only because Engineering is oversaturated.
Also
>implying one anecdotal example is the norm
>implying nobody here has made as much or more straight out of college with a STEM degree

>>9878182
I don't like engineering, I just hate everything so I might as well do engineering since it's practical.

>>9878400
If you don’t like it then its a waste of time. Too many people go into engineering for reasons other than interest and they do the poorest.
Plus the surge in people trying to be engineers seems to really put a hamper on being employable. Not so practical.

I realized that the best part of going for an engineering degree was that it took much longer than a business degree so I wasted less of my youth as a wageslave.

>>9878182
I recently transferred to a real university and had to go to an orientation day. It was specifically for the college of engineering but they include comp sci in that department as well. At the opening speech they had, they asked how many people were doing comp sci, and over a third of the room raised their hand. Absolutely disgusting.

>>9878346
>>9878324

>not having a MBA on top of your engineering degree

>>9878404
I expect life to be a complete sack of shit no matter what

>>9878497
Not a practical philosophy.

critique

>>9878486
My EE Professor does, I'm seriously considering doing the same.

Redpill me on Mechanical Engineering. I am going to study it soon, am I falling for a meme? Be as harsh and honest as possible.

>>9878944
You are going against kids who have been prepping for this career their entire lives and techs with umpteen years experience looking for the next level up. You go half assing it like everyone else in these threads you will get your shit pushed in and end up a ((((cost engineer)))) with $50k in debt. The game hasn’t even started for you and you are already behind and you don’t even realize it.

>>9878400
>since it's practical.
maybe 50 years ago

Now engineers struggle for employment almost as much as women's studies majors. The only reason to do engineering is if you like it. If you do it for the money you will not just hate your life but also end up in the gutter.

>>9878979
>kids who have been prepping for this career their entire lives and techs with umpteen years experience looking for the next level up.
Not where I live. The majority of my peers are retards who can barely do basic calculus unsupervised.

>>9878944
The normalfags of engineering. It's what you do when you like working on your family tractors and shit or you just want the broadest thing possible.

>>9878979
no one has been prepping to be a mechanical engineer all their lives, at best you have kids who have technical experience fixing their cars or doing construction work

>>9878979
Thanks for your input. Is that the reality for any Engineering degree?

>>9878990
>The normalfags of engineering
Who are the autists, then?

>or you just want the broadest thing possible.
Isn't that a good thing considering you can easily especialize in a number of things and have more possibilities of finding a job? Idk, that's my logical approach to it - I'm not even a student yet lol.

>>9878990
>you have kids who have technical experience fixing their cars or doing construction work

Yes, that’s exactly what I mean. Having a well developed mechanical skill set makes a huge difference, especially if they have supportive parents. They knew before they got out of HS they were going to be Mech Es as opposed to deciding when the school makes you declare a major.

>>9878393
With a STEM, i.e. CS, degree? Sure. With an engineering degree? Not unless it's a high cost of living area.

>>9879007
>Who are the autists, then?
Electrical and computer engineering usually. Civil is for people that love red tape and government codes and regulation, and chemical and biomedical have the most women.

>>9878371
Anon, jobs are damn near always piss easy compared to the schooling for that job
I've literally never heard someone say "you wont be able to learn it on the job"
If they're interviewing you at all, you're clearly smart enough to do it

digital signal processing class or applied electromagnetics (RF and electromagnetic circuits, waveguides and optical fibers, antennas)course to round out my current schedule:
-senior design proj 1
-Photonics
-Labview
-Electrodynamics (quantum and non linear optics, computational EM, antenna and microwave engineering)

Plan to go to grad school and afterwards work in general field of optics, photonics, etc. im thinking DSP for more broad experience, but not sure

>>9879008
It's helpful during hands on projects, but when most of your grades will be determined by tests and stuff, it isn't that helpful in the long run, at least as far as college goes. Machine Design is pretty much the only class that someone with that experience would have an upper hand in.

>>9878994
>Is that the reality for any Engineering degree?

Not even close, you have to learn that a majority of the people in this thread are either being melodramatic or they are high school kids home for the summer.

>>9879200
It depends on what school you go to, my school is heavy on projects.

>>9879227
>a majority of the people in this thread are either being melodramatic
I don't get it. Everywhere else they say ME is an in-demand degree across the world with a decent payment, STEM forums saying it is also one of the hardest engineering degrees along with ChemE and EE. and MEs stating how they found jobs soon after graduating.
And then there's /sci/, where everyone contradicts everything of the above. I don't know If the people here are the unlucky minority or If the situation in the US is really that bad for MEs (I am not from USA), but it just doesn't have any sense how the advice given here could be so contradictory to virtually any other source. I don't get it.

>>9878990
agreed. EE is way more accessible to get hands on experience, just get an arduino or any other dev board, look up some tutorials and you can get some basic projects going relatively quick.
most technical interviews i've done focused on extracurricular work and not so much asking to derive an opamp equation for the 50th time

>>9879253
/sci/ is to getting jobs as /r9k/ is to getting laid

>>9879253
The simplest answer is, people who have jobs don't have time to post in engineering generals at 2:30 in the afternoon.

>>9879253
There is literally an organized shill campaign to drive home the """"STEM shortage""""". Notice how the people who say the job market isn't bad haven't graduated with an engineering degree yet. All the people memeing about it being prestigious and high paying are just doing it to justify their choice of college major, not because they actually have a job that pays well.

any good theoretical mechanics books/websites?

Here is some info straight from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Mechanical
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/mechanical-engineers.htm
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes172141.htm#st (broken down by state)

Civil
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/civil-engineers.htm
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes172051.htm#st

Electrical
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/electrical-and-electronics-engineers.htm
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes172071.htm#st


>>9879339
>There is literally an organized shill campaign to drive home the """"STEM shortage"""""
Go away Canada

>>9879364
The BLS statistics are meaningless because they don't take into account the number of fresh graduates each year, which is several times greater than the number of entry level job openings. You would realize this if you had actually graduated and started applying to jobs.

>>9879200
I was talking about outside of academia. If you grew up pulling machines apart you have a significant advantage over someone who hasn’t when casting your net into industry . It’s not a career show stopper if you don’t have it, but a couple thousand hours of wrench time shows through in interviews, design packages, and work examples.

>>9879349
JP Den Hartog

>>9879370
>The BLS statistics are meaningless
Okay, go ahead and post your relative statistics on engineering employment then.

>You would realize this if you had actually graduated and started applying to jobs.
Except I'm a boomer who has been in industry and academics, so I have somewhat of an idea of what I'm talking about.

Every single engineering thread turns into /employmentpls/ threads. Is there more to discuss than just bitching about employment?

>>9879395
This is a containment thread

>>9879389
https://nsf.gov/nsb/sei/edTool/data/engineering-01.html

The data only goes to 2012, but extrapolating the linear rate of growth to present, there should be about 26k ME graduates this year, and the BLS says there are only 25k total ME jobs. Assuming that 10% of ME job listings are for entry level candidates, which seems pretty generous based on my experience, then that means about 90% of fresh graduates are unemployed.

Graduated EE four years ago, here in Canada the only people who got jobs right away were women or people who were top of the class. I was going to do military until I hurt my back, so right now I'm deciding what to do next.

>>9879289
kek'd hard

>>9879404
>underemployed or employed outside their field

ftfy.

The unemployment rate for ANY degree holder is ~%3. Less for STEM.

>>9879404
well then just dont be bottom of the barrel? over half of those graduates probably have 0 internships, research, or other project experience. On top of that there are numbskulls that say "Cs get degrees", graduate with no experience taking the easiest courses they could, and have some shit gpa below 3.0. Then take into account people with dog shit resumes either through the formatting or the information they put on it. All this together makes it easy to see that if you do well enough you should be fine. I also question BLS because it says 25k ME jobs, now what does that mean? Does that only include ME specific jobs? Or also jobs that may just look for any engineering degree or crossdiscipline jobs in biomedical, aero, etc. That could also make a difference depending on how they list it

>>9879471
>90% of graduates
>bottom of the barrel
Anon, I...

Holy fuck is any engineering degree useful? Mechanical, Electrical, Civil, Aero, Mineral, Chemical, Biological, Software, etc? Is there a good one or are all of them guaranteed to get you unemployed?

>>9879494
depends, if you are american you wont find a job, if you are non american you will find a job

>>9879502

What if I learn another language and go abroad for work? Like idk maybe Chile cause it has a good economy, or maybe Eastern Europe, cause I can decently speak russian since my family is from there.

>>9879507
then you will find a job

>>9879509

Why is that, is it because of brain drain or something like that which creates jobs?

>>9879520
yeah, all specialists go to USA and western europe for the money, but places like eastern europe and etc, are in high need of high qualified specialists

>>9879524

Will I get paid less, and if I do will the cheaper products and renting even it out? Will my purchasing power be stronger?

>>9879529
hard to say

>>9879483
better study up dumbass

>>9879253
How many fucking times does this need to be said? Let me make this as fucking clear as I can:

THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
>THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
>THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
>THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
>THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
>THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
>THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS
>THERE ARE MORE JOB SEEKERS THAN JOBS

How useful is this currently: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-21938085

>>9879375
Oh, yes definitely. Yeah, when you get an interview and talk like you've been doing it all your life, they'll take you over the 4.0 student who doesn't know how to turn a wrench anytime.
Still, you get a good amount of opportunity to develop those skills yourself during university to level the playing field, it does also depend on what you're applying for, you should be able to appeal to your own strengths, and there isn't that much of an epidemic of rednecks making it through engineering.

>>9878324
>>9878393
>>9878346
Get an IE degree. If you already have an ME or ChemE degree, you may have to take very few classes to get an IE degree (depending on university obviously), since there is a lot of overlap in classes.
>>9878486
MBA is shit, it doesnt teach you anything useful, I started one and realized how much bullshit it was, ended up doing a master in finance.

When applying to jobs, what should I say for salary expectations? Am I putting myself at a disadvantage for just saying "negotiable?"

>>9879598

Why Industrial Engineering?

So I'm applying to jobs and it seems I'm getting rejected by them the next day. While I'm kidna thankful it isn't keeping me waiting in suspense for months, does this mean that it's not getting past the computer or whatever?

>>9879607
it is better to put negotiable, at least that is what Ive been told from a few HR people

>>9879613
Because it's way better than a business degree.

>>9879618

Better than ME or EE?

>>9879620
If you want to get a bussiness/finance related job: yes IE is better, obviously. You can get into high management with a ME or EE degree too, but it will take you way longer, and most of the ME or EE classes you took will be almost useless.

>>9879590
In every mechanical engineering graduating class there is always a clique of gear heads. They are usually on the SAE team or found hanging out in the machine shop.

>mfw my college accepts AP scores
>mfw they give me 30 credits for taking the brainlet tier freshman classes in high school

>>9879867
More than anything, it's just nice to be able to save time and money since college classes cost so much. In comparison, the couple hundred you pay for AP tests is negligible.

>>9879876
Yup. 30 credits can cost you 20k$ easy

>>9879876
no scholarship? or did you actually fall for the out of state or private uni meme?

Engineering is literally the Boomer meme in degree form.

>>9879882
d-delet this

>>9879536
By that statistic, even if you were two standards of deviation above average, you still wouldn't get a job.

Is going on exchange useful? Does it look good on your resume?

Thinking on going abroad to KTH. I'm from Latin America and I'm studying EE btw.

>>9879893
I was told it can definitely be a plus because it can be used as an ice breaker in an interview or general talking point as a learning experience

>>9879882
>the ass pained pure meth is back

>>9879877
you got jewd my man

>>9879878
No, I mean even with scholarship, it can drive costs up the wall. Regardless, I have scholarship in state and don't pay a lot per semester.

>>9879395
It's the summer buddy, nothing else to talk about. Once classes start up I'm sure it'll get better

>>9879902
No he’s right. By the time you are 30 you guys will have an oversized McMansion, a bunch of toys, and an Asian wife with $10k bolt ons.

>>9880077
>he still thinks engineers make decent money
I feel so bad for you...

I don't see why some people in this thread think engineering is over saturated or how its difficult for engineers to find employment.

>>9880092
See >>9879404 >>9879892

>>9880091
I don’t know about you, but I make six figs.

>>9880092
It’s not employment, it’s employment in their field of study.

>>9880092
People with jobs aren't complaining on Nepalese sumo wrestling forums

>>9878182
>tfw i'll be starting a preparing course for tech- and engineering at the start of next month
what am I in for lads?
after the course which I think is one semester I can choose which kind of engineering degree I want to pursue, I hope this wont bee shit

>>9880107
I think this is the right answer

>>9880098
Those statistics don't consider the economic boom we are experiencing. 6 years ago, everything was shit and headed downward.

>>9880127
>economic boom
??????????????????????????

>>9880127
>Those statistics don't consider the economic boom we are experiencing
The number of graduates shouldn't be affected by the health of the economy. The data on the number of job openings is current for 2018.

>>9878990
>It's what you do when you like working on your family tractors and shit

This, the major is full of car guys.

>you just want the broadest thing possible

It me going in, I discovered I liked electrical stuff a year and a half in but I stuck with it anyway. In retrospect I like thermodynamics/heat transfer and did weirdly well with fluids but fuck materials to death (also the engineering design methodology taught makes software engineering fads look effective).

>>9880120
Fiercely competitive job market where the weak and talentless get crushed into the ground. Remember it’s a marathon not a sprint, baby your GPA and actually utilize your schools resources (how many of you Mech E fags are using your machine shop)

>>9879471
i had a 3.9 gpa (cumulative) and undergraduate research and the only calls back i got were for absolute shit tier positions (~40k/year). meanwhile, two of my senior design group members, whose entire contribution to the project was copying and pasting introductory material from wikipedia the day the report was due, both had jobs lined up.

so i went into academia, got a phd, and right now i'm working as a glorified technician earning only 80k/year. i'm trying to get a better job but can't even get a phone interview because engineering is the good old boys club. if you don't have someone to give you an internal referral you pretty much don't have a reason to apply.

>>9880132
>The number of graduates shouldn't be affected by the health of the economy
Why?

The poster said himself its accurate to 2012, not 2018.

>>9880169
$40k/year for 5 years is 5 years experience, otherwise known as a cheap ticket to +$70k/year at another firm and negotiation leverage for a massive raise at the current.

>>9880169
>PhD
Nobody can afford you and I guarantee your current employer knows you are just killing time and building resume bullets to get a better job. You painted yourself into a corner my dude.

>>9880171
Why would the number of graduates reverse trenda and suddenly go down because the economy is doing better? Even if it stayed at 2012 levels with ~20k graduates per year, that would still imply an 87% unemployment rate for fresh graduates.

>>9880174
You don’t even need THAT much. 3 years is the current cadence for job hopping.

noobs. i get paid 100k a year to play w/ bugs

biology is best

>>9880177
>unemployment
Stop using that word. It is not accurate.

>>9880169
>nigga you gotta network
>says absolutely fucking everyone for several centuries if not millennia
>local retard doesn't do any networking at all
>why no good job?

>>9880181
PhD?

>>9880174
my pay as a phd student was almost the same (especially considering the lower tax rate since i was a student,) i got to spend 5 more years in a university environment rather than surrounded by boomers and old HR hags, and my lab environment was extremely lax. we used to watch movies in the lab together. also, i managed to buy 2 rental condos and a house as a phd student. actually, sold/closed on one of the condos today because it was under performing rent wise.

>>9880175
i still have two local national labs i haven't applied to, so i might luck out there. i have also tried applying to junior programming/data science positions but they reject me for what i imagine is the same reason you mentioned.

i'm thinking about joining the national guard to help me branch out skills wise plus help me earn veteran good goy points. i really fucking hate the job i have now, and i have enough savings to easily last me a couple of years of unemployment, so my on the job motivation is extremely low. i wouldn't be surprised if they fire me/i just quit.

>>9880178
then $40k for 3 years is 3 years experience, otherwise known as a cheap ticket to +$70k/year at another firm and negotiation leverage for a massive raise at the current.

>>9880182
There's no point in studying an excessively difficult subject like engineering if you don't even get a job in it. Might as well study business at that point.
>inb4 hurr employers prefer engineers for non-engineer jobs they aren't qualified for
No, that's wrong. You will be considered *after* people with actual experience in the area you are applying for.

>>9880169
Why don't you get your senior design group members to give you internal referrals?

>>9880183
network with who though? i applied to internships, never got a response. everyone in my family/friends is in blue collar work/non-technical work. if you go to a career fair they just told you to apply online. everyone i knew during undergrad got a job either through one of their friends or family.

if i wanted to do a post doc i'd be set, because i have plenty of connections in academia, but fuck that.

>>9880177
Why are you answering my question with another question?

Do you not know the answer?

>>9880186
So you're saying that eningeering allowed you to shitpost and get into the real estate business? cool.

>>9880190
depends on if they get jobs at firms that are hiring.

>>9880192
You're making an assertion that the number of graduates would suddenly drop by 90%, when the trend is rapid growth. You sure as fuck bet I'm going to expect you to answer why that should be the case.

>>9880186
Have you considered short term contract positions or freelance consulting? If you got letters next to your name you should have no problem baiting money out of people. Not a salesman?

>>9880190
they both work at smaller companies with very limited engineering employment opportunities. i've only been in my current job for a few months, so if i'm going to job hop i don't want it to be lateral since i'll have to spend at least a couple years in my next job to avoid getting blacklisted by HR.

>>9880195
they don't need to be hiring if you have insiders, they can pull you in whenever, since you skip the HR barrier

>>9880194
graduate school allowed me to do that. engineering taught me almost nothing useful. even in the programming courses we were forced to use archaic languages (fucking fortran). i started learning and using python on my own.

if i were to do it all over again i'd do CS + finance for undergrad and either a finance or CS masters. fuck anything else.

>>9880191
Were you not an active member of your engineering association (ASME, etc)?

No internships?

>>9880204
>FORTRAN
lol cfd

>>9880198
no, i'm not really a salesman. i naturally tend to be forward and honest. my adviser was an exceptional salesman and virtually everything he said was always the absolute best case scenario which had realistically no chance of occurring. that's not really something i can do, and most people aren't willing to pay someone to tell them how fucked things really are.

>>9880206
i don't believe my university even have an active chapter. i did undergraduate research, but not internships.

funny thing about internships. in the company i currently work at the fully time employees have degrees from shit tier to mid tier (at best) schools. absolutely all the interns we get are from top (top 20) schools.

>>9880218
>no internships
Look upon this man /engi/

Woe unto you that follow his example.

>>9880218
You literally need the internship to get the internship nowadays.

>>9880184
i was just meming. with a PhD i'm sure u can. I'm just going to grad school and get paid to teach the intro bio courses and do research. barely above min wage lul

>>9879644
What do you think of a IE + CS double major? The company I work for will pay off for one degree through tuition reimbursement, and CS seems like a great skill to have. Do IEs program a lot, or is it mostly data analysis, statistics, etc?

I was thinking of ME/EE, but if I'm going to be staring at a computer screen, I might as well do IE for the extra people skills and business knowledge

>>9880223
it's not due to lack of trying. i kept applying but what can you do if they don't want you? i did undergrad research in hopes that it would offset the lack of internships but it didn't help much in the end.

Will be finishing my Bs in mechatronics engineering soon and have found out I don’t like the apllied stuff very much that is pretty much just looking through datasheets.
Is computational engineering good to go in for the master’s? My interests Lean more torwards modeling and the more abstract ideas.

>>9880232
it helped you get into grad school at least right?

>>9880238
it did do that, but grad school didn't really help me with job prospects either so it's a moot point in the end. i think the best thing i could have done after undergrad when i kept getting calls from only shit tier positions was to try and commission in the military. do my 4 years, maybe pick up some useful skills even, then find a job with a military contractor and be much better off than i am now.

a phd in engineering really doesn't mean much. it closes more doors than it opens.

>>9880218
That's because the school you go to doesn't matter, anon

>>9880225
This. They all say "proven track record of increasing work responsibilities" or some shit like that. No other career expects you to have work experience in order to get work experience for your work experience, FFS.

>>9880244
Engineering is full of people that went back to school. You end up having kids that went to college straight out of high school competing with people that have years of experience, possibly relevant experience if they worked in trades or as technicians. It's a shit show. Those entry level positions are also sieved by HR before a hiring manager even looks at the applicants, so it's particularly stacked in favor of those who already have some work experience.

>>9880230
IE + CS is probably the best option. Knowing how to code is always usefull in any stem field tho (So its usefull in ME/EE too). Also, if you like math and programming, you can work in Operations Research (which is a field that both CS graduates and IEs work in).

>>9880230
IE + CS is a pretty good option. If you go to a non brainlet school, the CS will teach you how to write good algorithms, break down hard problems into a mix of analytical and numerical solutions, and to take a bank of normally impractical knowledge and turn it into cash for the company. Take systems design for architecture and OS both. They'll help you understand your way through a machine. Despite what EEs in this thread will tell you, the best embedded code I've seen have been from CS students fiddling around with circuits and Cadence in their free time. IE is employable and you'll get some good engineering fundamentals, though the culture of IE is closer to business and finance than STEM.

>>9878465
sauce?

>>9879529
in the time it takes to learn a lnguage you could just learn programming instead, get a remote-work job in a big city with a corresponding big city salary and then move to idaho or something.

>>9880204
what about IE? Also, what's the difference between finance and economics.

>>9880233
have you considered CS? A lot of grad prgrams have engineering applications.

>>9880413
IE, like all engineering majors, has very few elective hours so if you pursue a second major you will have to delay graduating. both CS and finance will have a shit load of elective hours, so it's much easier to complete a dual major in a shorter amount of time. then for your masters you can choose whichever you think will benefit your desired career path more, CS or finance, e.g. if you can easily find CS work but it's not finance related then you're better off getting a CS masters.

finance is more practical than economics especially if coupled with CS.

>>9879339
Holy fuck what I thought medicine was the promised land of job security.

What the fuck should I study now?

I wish I was just rich enough for my own start-up firm. Fucking hell years of studying for near perfect scores, all pointless. I should never have listened to my stupid fucking boomer mentors.

>>9878182
>Why didn't I go into business edition

you were thinking about contributing something of value to society in exchange for material compensation.

This was unwise.

>>9879598
someon out of harvard w an mba makes around 250k a year

>>9879607
tell them 50m or theyre fucking retarded otherwise

Any of you dudes here in /sci/ go to MIT? If so what is your background in science prior to being accepted into the school?

>>9880582
Are you asking about undergrad or grad school? I go to MIT for grad school and I had a bachelor's in engineering + years of undergrad research experience.

>>9880417
I have looked into CS, alot of the undergrad courses for CS and mechatronics seem similar but I am still kind of intimidated going into it for MS because I did not do CS for the undergrad.

How did you /engi/ students and degree holders decide or figure out the degree you wanted to go into, or what to specialize in? Did you look at average income, what was needed in your area, interests as a child or as an adult, what you were good at? How did you decide if you were stuck on 2 or more ideas?

>>9881386
I decided based on my interests and looking at starting salaries. I did not have any specific dreams of becoming an engineer when I was a child.

If you are about to start an undergrad I would also recommend going into "engineering technology" rather then just "engineering" if possible. Engineering technology has more courses you need to finish to get the degree but you are not forced to go to grad school if you want to find a job.

>>9881411
I thought that "engineering technology" was engineering "lite".

>>9881415
Maybe in some places but where i am engineering is 180 ECTS and engineering technology is 210 ECTS because engineering technologists do more larger projects similar to what grad students would do in addition to the regular engineering courses.

>>9881424
From what I understand, Engineering Technology is more focused on the practical application of engineering while traditional engineering tends to emphasize theory (especially in college). I tend to favor the more practical, hands-on aspects of engineering but I'm not sure if I want to be shat on for pursuing an MechE Tech degree in lieu of a traditional MechE degree.

>>9881447

Around here, an engineering technology degree would be something like an associate degree rather than a BS engineering degree

These /engi/ threads are horrible because the people posting in them haven't graduated yet and don't even understand how to use their degree. Engineering Techs make $35k-$45k a year and don't do any actual engineering. At most they plug in wires and operate some expensive metrology equipment. If engineering in industry is braindead compared to what you do in school, engineering technology is a lobotomized version of that. It is literal high schooler tier work.

>>9881471
It's summer so you have plenty of high school kiddies and retarded freshman bragging about nothing and repeating hearsay. Getting an undergraduate degree that qualifies you for the position of a technician is about the most retarded thing you can do. That major isn't even available in real universities. Just scam universities like Devry.

>>9881486
And Penn State.

>>9881447
I hear you.
In Scandinavia where I am you pretty much need a master's degree if you want to work as an engineer so by starting a undergrad regular engineering you are committing yourself to atleast 5 years in school where if you did engineering technology you could either start working after 3 years or get into the same grad programs as other engineers.

I just can't do CAD anymore, I don't even design, just pull data out and pit in database and then make drawings out of those.

I just can't do it, certainly not in 2 years. Life can't be so horrible, can it? I wasn't born to do that, I wanted to construct (semi)-mathematical models to describe mind-blowingly complicated systems and processes, not this fucking shit that young punks from manufacturing machines do alongside me.

Goddamnfuck, I want to do stuff that matters, at least to me, not to put GD&T from 3D onto 2D... ;___;

Also €750 salary.

>>9881521
welcome to engineering. it's the same shit in the US. all the entry level positions only cared about whether you can draft or not.

If you got through 3 years of engineering i Guaranfuckintee you you can pick up a book on operations research, and on the linear program, and a Sparknotes on Statistical Quality Control and on a Saturday afternoon learn everything important there is to know about business...

>>9881562
t. american "engineer"

>>9881547

Yeah, and how could anyone go into R&D, even if you have those minimum 2 years as drafter/ no one? I can't understand how now could I branch into design and stuff like sensitivity analysis.

>>9881521
>I wanted to construct (semi)-mathematical models to describe mind-blowingly complicated systems and processes
You need a PhD if you want to do this.

Pros and cons: Enviro vs Water Resources Engineer?

Is EE a meme? I'm going to transfer to a CSU in spring as one. What should I expect? Easy to find a job? What can I do to prepare for one without internships?

>>9881925
>Is EE a meme
Fucking everything is a meme now apparently
>What should I expect
Learn about electricity and shit
>Easy to find a job
Go become a pipe fitter or an electrician if you want to be employed straight out of school
>What can I do to prepare for one without internships?
Fucking get one dipshit

>>9881971
Are internships hard to find? I've never applied for one, but I've heard that it's fairly difficult to get hired as one in this field.

Math review for someone who is headed to cs grad school?

>>9881975
Just go to an ivy or be an underrepresented minority. They love that.

>>9882036
the only underrepresented minority they like is women

>>9878182
Figure out something to manufacture you autistic fuck. With the ridiculous spread of things you learned (90% of which would be unused in any given position) you should be able to figure out how to create something thats either immediately useful, or a huge improvement on pre-existing items.

>>9879253
welcome to 4chan, the alternate reality forum, where mediocre people come to waste time and be overly negative to one each other

>>9882443
>yeah man, just build your own multimillion dollar factory to manufacture your product lmao

>>9882036
Can you define what a minority is in California? More specifically norcal/bay area. I'm gong to assume that minorities are only women/mexicans, Would filipinos count as a minority?

>>9882599
>implying this is hard

>>9882815
>bro, just get a small loan of a million dollars
Getting real tired of deluded freshmen...

>>9882825
Most things dont require anywhere near that to manufacture. Its generally quite cheap to make things. Buying things is much more expensive.

>>9882826
>t. never manufactured anything
Get a grip. A decent 3D printer is over $30k. A single production-capable CNC mill is well over $100k. That doesn't even account for raw materials, labor, or commercial real estate. Kys.

>>9882888
These items are easy to build, and theres hundreds of resources out there that detail exactly how to create them. You're just being fucking lazy.

>>9882890
No, you are actually retarded if you think someone is going to pay for parts made on a janky reprap. Let me reiterate: kys.

>>9882894
If basic cnc work is all you can come up with then you're not really an engineer.

>>9882895
What product would you produce on a budget of $1000? You reek of inexperience.

>>9882897
>arbitrarily makes up this budget
>calls me inexperienced
lmao

>>9882898
Fine, use however much disposable income you have right now to start a business that you can use to fiancially support yourself. You said it's easy, so explain to us how.
>protip: you can't

>>9882902
Huge companies are quite often started by the intelligent efforts of a single man. For 5 grand I would build a 3 axis cnc table and sell some signs. Upgrade it to 5th axis and start doing parts, use machine to build up enough capital and supplies to make commercial model. Sell commercial model.

>>9882905
Nobody is going to buy stuff made on your hacked together router table m8. Come up with a real product.

>>9882910
>Nobody is going to buy stuff made on your hacked together router table m8.
Thats where you're wrong.

>>9882813
Actually curious about this too, as I'm also Filipino. Been considering joining my school's Filipino-American club next year just so I have a way to put it on my resume.

>got my engineering degree and expected good salary
>business school chad works me to the bone for nothing

>Not being an engineer entrepreneur
?

>>9882905
why don't you do it then? do you not have 5 grand?

>>9882599
>yeah man, just build your own multimillion dollar factory to manufacture your product lmao

Or you start out small with a niche product and keep reinvesting the money and scale up over time. This is how it usually works. I swear there are some pea-brained people that actually think you have to start out manufacturing products to fill the shelves of every walmart in the country to be successful.

> not doing an engineering + business so you can cuck chad

>>9883329
>>9883464
>being a class traitor

Out with your bourgeois bullshit.

>>9878465
and one third of that audience will be employed after graduation, and not one engineer will be included.

>>9881501
Penn State isn't legit?

>>9883635
No, I think what’s he’s trying to say is that penn state, a legit program, does have an engineering tech program despite the claim that legit schools generally don’t have one.

>>9883464
I mean, the boomer dream was literally to do engineering for some good income and then go back to do an MBA so that they could manage and work their way uup.

>>9882895
Holy fuck why is this place full of delusional high schoolers?

>>9882905
I met half a dozen guys that did exactly this over one of my summer internships. They made industry specific gizmos you wouldn’t even think of. Stuff like wheel lug centerers for semi trucks or little valves for the oil and gas industry

>>9880569
>someon out of harvard
The Harvard part has way more to do with it than the MBA part. MBA aren't about the learning, they're about paying your way to get good connections to land a job.

>>9880169
>i'm trying to get a better job but can't even get a phone interview because engineering is the good old boys club.

Retard, there is no such thing as a meritocracy in any job market, except maybe barista work. Every major industry is the good ol' boys club.

>>9883685
>every unskilled industry*
ftfy, shitdick. look at trades, coding, accounting, or anything medicine related. any industry where a specific set of skills is not only valued, but necessary, will allow you to get hired and advance based on merit. shit like engineering where everyone tugs their dicks and goes through 10+ design iterations to solve the most minute problems is a good ol' boys club because why would they want to hire someone that isn't brain dead to show them all up?

Hi, I need to write a small text about a interesting engineering project (nothing too technical, just for entertainment)! Can you guys give me suggestions?

I'm an automation engineer, I do automation for steel plants worldwide.
Just 1 year in this business though. Money is great, but the way you just sacrifice your life while others live their normie lives is not so great.

>>9883933
You don't enjoy HR drones standing next to your cubicle bullshitting for 30 minutes while you're slaving away?

>>9883953
Usually steel plants are in very shitty places. I'm now at office until end of year, then i go to China for at least 6 months. I've been to that place in China for a week, pollution is so bad I started coughing. Toilets are non-existent and you have to squat to shit. And new plant still has no WCs or running water.

Problem of this job, beside shitty work place, is incredibly short deadlines, incredibly long work hours and clients who breathe at your neck since business chads promised them it will be finished in 2 weeks while in reality it took 6 months (talking about one project that ended 1 month ago).

But money is great, I think it's next to oil&gas, usually people who want even more money switch to oil&gas automation.

>>9883969
Even if money is great, if the hours suck then your per hour pay is mediocre. I don't understand why more people don't look at it this way. You can get a 40 hour per week job then consult on the side and come out ahead compared to slaving away 60 hours a week for some kike that throws a few more cents your way.

>>9882890
lmao bro just build your own CNC mill

What software do electrical engineers use? I’m transferring as junior next semester and i’ve learned literally nothing in any of my major classes except for parts of Visual Studios for C++ and some program for circuits. What programs should I get the jist of for jobs/school?

>>9878985
Patently untrue. Try moving away from your rustbelt home town and there's plenty of great opportunities out there.

T. 28 year old engineer who makes $150000/year in North Dakota

>>9884477
>EE
>software
AHAHAHAHA. To be honest, even though 80% of CS majors are dumb as a sack of bricks, the code I’ve seen from EE majors is legitimately worse. Especially so since their idea of “code” is a matlab function or some simple C++ code.

Memes aside, learn C, learn Python, maybe java, and learn some embedded programming. Oh and learn some SQL and relational algebra for databases

>>9884500
Can I ask how long you’ve been working for? How old were you when you graduated and what was youre starting salary?

>>9884505
I graduated at 22. I wageslaved at $20/hr in my own rustbelt home town until a recruiter contacted me about a job here. I started out at 100k a year and got a bump in pay each year, I've been here for 4 years now.

>>9884553
what field is your bullshit high pay in?
150k is too goddamn high to be believable

>>9884502
EE student here, fuckan this.

I developed a bot using functional and procedural code MATLAB style in Python to apply for jobs for me. Got hired by a large building subcontractor (people who don't have a clue) as a programmer because of it. Got into the job and I didn't know any OOP or SQL. Stuck at it and ended up burnt out and depressed.

>>9885104
My web development knowledge was also very minimal

Does anyone here doing engineering as a means to an end?
I'm doing economics + civil engineering but if I had my time over I'd do something besides engineering, shit is just so tedious. I don't ever see myself working as an engineer either

>>9885155
Only thing that really interested me other than engineering was music since I was a performer, but theres no money in that. Engineering was the next best thing since it was always something that I could relate to, being good at math and liking computers.
I often think what could have been and think if I should switch majors, but I’m too deep in my units to even bother since it would be even more time consuming.

>>9884293
All the truly difficult stuff has been figured out already, which means you're basically just piecing together off the shelf components and assembling a frame. This of course would take several months of planning but its not beyond the average persons abilities.

>>9878374
Bros I still need help with this. The job description is really vague, what are some good questions I can ask during the interview to impress them?

>>9882813
in california? change your gender and go apply to amazon or google.

Ugh, my summer classes are over in 3 weeks and then I have like 1 week off before fall classes start. I'm gonna be so burned out by the time I graduate (spring). I just don't know if I will manage to land an internship in the fall or spring even with free time from mental exhaustion. Tell me it gets better after this shit is over.

>>9885073
Not the poster, but I bet it's oil and gas.

>>9885073
>>9885534

Oil and gas, yeah. Part of the reason my wage is so high is I work a 3 week on, 2 week off rotation at 12 hours a day, so a lot of it is OT.

>>9879395

Would it be in poor taste if I complained about the engineering job I do have instead of the engineering job I don't have?

>>9885673

I already did that for the last 3 threads, so go ahead.

>>9885673
>>9885680

I'm a project manager and senior engineer at a global firm. I'm managing a project now I got stuck with, it's outside my area of expertise and this is the first time I've taken a project through construction instead of just planning/design.

This sucks balls. Contractors are fucking retarded, I don't know how we construct anything in this world more complicated than grass huts. I've suffered through this for almost two years now, we're in the closeout phase with final completion deadline just a couple of weeks away, and the crisis du jour is that the prime randomly decided a few months ago to just not test about a third of the components (the ones currently in the ground) and not let anyone know. Then he's not hitting minimums on some of the ones he did test. So I can't complete my documentation for the project and he's going to have to go back out to dig shit up at his own expense.

Of course this is my fault because I should have been keeping up with the documentation during construction. But I've been doing this myself, it's just me and a resident engineer who knows nothing about this type of work, and I've had tons of other planning/design projects to work on (I've been having to manage projects and complete deliverables too, we had no entry-level support until a month ago). Plus a shit-ton of personal stuff, I've had two family members pass away in the past year, one had cancer, and my wife had a miscarriage around the holidays. My house is trashed because I'm never home, kids never see me and ask why I work all the time.

The funny thing is that the discipline lead doesn't care, my boss has openly said I'm not going to get fired no matter how bad I fuck up and he doesn't care if we lose the client. Other consequences (like losing my license) are remote at best. But I'm still walking around in a daze and waking up in the middle of the night for a random panic attack because this job isn't going well.

I love what I do but engineering blows.

>>9885693
Damn Anon that sounds pretty stressful. How is the pay? Are you a Civil major?

>>9881512
In Denmark engineering technologists have nearly identical starting salaries to engineering masters and more people seem to be hiring technologists.

>>9884500
you're telling him to move out of the rustbelt while you work in a location where i imagine your employer is the largest employer for the entire town/county.

>>9885495
have you even bothered to skim through this thread? it gets worse.

I study mechatronics and I will probably write my bachelor's thesis next semester.
I don't feel like I've learnt a whole lot, let alone stuff that is necessary.
All we did was learn the basics of computer science, some classical mechanics, basics of electronics, a bit of matlab simulations, CAD and the very basics of FEM.
My grades are mediocre and even the clueless muslims and normies are doing better (probably because they cheat by using exams of previous semesters and more)
Currently I'm doing my internship at the school's manufacturing lab and the only thing I'm decent at is CAD stuff. But that's almost useless especially if millions of Pajeets are doing just that.
I honestly don't think I'll have a chance in the job market unless I study myself.
I was thinking learning some hardware oriented C and some ROS.
I feel hopeless and I dont even want to do my master's honestly.
How fucked am I?

I just came back in from mowing the grass like a 33-year-old boomer.

>>9885753

>Are you a Civil major?

Affirmative, bachelor's only.

>How is the pay?

I'm at 105k after 12 years. I started at 40k in 2007 right when the recession hit, took me 5 months to find a job and I had to beg for it. The new grads we just hired are at 60k which is offensive, I was making that only after 5 years of experience.

The PM rate that was scoped for the project I was talking about is almost twice what I make. It was supposed to be a guy who was my firm's technical leader in this specific type of work with 35 years of experience doing it. Then he retired in the middle of some major turnover in my firm's technical group for this work. Now I'm doing it.

>Damn Anon that sounds pretty stressful.

It's pretty shitty, but to put it in perspective, I never worried about work before this project. I worked long hours, worked at home, stayed in the office nights and weekends sometimes, but I never had a problem putting the pencil down. So the job does not have to be like this, but it is at the moment.

Again, it's not clear what the real consequences are if/when this project goes south, but I still don't sleep/eat well and am preoccupied with it even when not working (like right now). Maybe it is a combination of the job + overall burnout + fatigue (my youngest had just turned 2 when I took over this project so I had not been getting sleep even before) + all the personal shit. But I think if I didn't have this project then I'd be perfectly fine. I don't stay up at night worrying about anything else.

A lot of this is my fault, either my fuckups on the project or my not being able to let it go. All the same, it is frustrating that, after busting my ass for 12 years, I'm at a point in my life where I really need to be able to take some time to put work on the back burner and focus on my family and I can't do it because of a project I shouldn't even be working on, much less managing.

>>9886027
unless I study by myself outside of school*

>>9885981
It's actually not, but what I'm saying is if you want to make a decent wage as an engineer you need to specialize in something in high demand and go where the money is. Sizing HVAC or designing steel buildings in your home town of 30,000 is never gonna make you six figures.

Eventually things will dry up here and I'll move on.

>>9886027
>All we did was learn the basics of computer science, some classical mechanics, basics of electronics, a bit of matlab simulations, CAD and the very basics of FEM.
lmao yeah that's a bachelor's degree my man

What's more stressful? Working as an engineer or as a doctor?

I'm studying EE and my gf is studying medicine. Will we survive engiebros? Is an engineering+medicine couple suited for family life?

>>9886213
It's all moot, you'll be a house husband in 5 years once you have kids

>>9886046
From what I have heard the masters program at my school is barely different from the bachelors program.
Just a tad more advanced and a few more courses where learning dumb things by heart gets you a good grade.

>>9886268
lmao yeah that's a master's degree my man

>>9886044
yeah, but how do you specialize when entry level ME engineers get hired as CAD monkeys? you said a recruiter contacted you, but why choose you out of thousands of other engineers?

>>9886033
>I'm at 105k after 12 years.
>I worked long hours, worked at home, stayed in the office nights and weekends sometimes
Meanwhile, CS undergrads can get that straight out of college while working 40 hours a week flat.

>>9886213
I hope she isn't ER, or she's going to become a hollow shell in record time

>>9886344
CS grads don't make that
CS grads get nothing while pajeet takes his job

>>9886398
Programming jobs for GUI and basic implementation != actual good software development

This board makes a lot of fun of CS majors, but making good cryptosystems, making really good scalable solutions, making graphics, etc., is tough work and generally pays well

>>9886344

I don't really give a shit. Generally, I like what I do, I think it's fun, and the money I currently make is more than enough (my wife also works part-time and makes a fair amount herself).

I don't even mind working long hours when needed. It's nice when I can work on something and feel like I did a good job on it. Especially design-related projects, as cheesy as it sounds it's something I'd be doing even if I wasn't getting paid to do it. Like building something around your house or thinking about how some object or system can be improved.

The part I don't like is a) when working outside normal hours is expected or needed simply to meet deadlines or workloads and b) when I have issues like this fucking project that is not only taking time away from the work I like to do but taking time away from family and personal development.

>>9886213
doctor by a longshot
you should save her from that stress by keeping her pregnant repeatedly

>>9886337
I'unno, I had a good linked in page I think with a lot of work examples. I get what your saying, I just want people to know lucrative opportunities are out there. Had I not been contacted I'd still likely by wageslaving and be too scared to make the jump out of state myself

Don't be scared, make the move while your young.

What do you put on a resume if your only work history is nothing unrelated to your major?

>>9886398
t. high school memelord

>>9886725
That you're an aspiring burger flipper. The engineering job market is saturated as all fuck, and you have to be in the top 10% with multiple internships in order to get hired.

>>9886725
Projects you did in class/outside of class

>>9886747
What's a good number of projects to put on a resume?

>>9886743
Are you getting paid to do this?
If not, I think all the time you spend doing this would probably be put to better use applying for jobs.

>>9886758
I had two on mine. I did undergrad research and had a couple of papers, you might still have a bit of space to fill though.

>>9886462
You're devaluing your work by working more than 40 hours a week. Being salaried doesn't mean you are required to work 40+ hours a week.

In essence, you, and people like you, are the reason for stagnating wages. You're willing to work for free.

>>9886762
Ikr, this guy is in every engineering general spreading his defeatist speech to scare people away from engineering. You can tell it's the same dude because he always post the same shit.

>>9886725
You list it out but you don't waste too much space on it.

You need to emphasize engineering projects, clubs, engineering awards, coursework (if your must).

>>9886913
>refuse to work more than 40 hours a week
>get fired

>>9887062
Then you find a job that isn't shit. It's one thing to put in 30-60 minutes in extra a day if needed, but it's another to regularly work 10 hour days. Being salaried isn't a green light for your employer to work you like a dog, and you must be a dumbass to agree to it.

Then again, there doesn't seem to be a shortage of people whose lives revolve around work, so it's not surprising that they agree to working for free.

why are HR drones so lazy and fucking retarded?

>>9886929
LMFAO, its not the same dude, just take a look at the numbers. Its around a 25% chance of successfully landing a job coming out of university with a degree. Theres far more applicants then there are jobs, you fucking retard.

>>9887230
He's probably an incoming freshman with high hopes. I heard the same song and dance coming in and through my undergrad. Then as graduation nears reality slaps you in the face and you realize that no one wants fresh graduates.

>>9887230
>>9887245
you guys are sad.

>>9887340
You're financially immature, and dont want to fully comprehend the very real financial risk you're taking. A degree no longer = employment.

I hate to barge into your little struggle free safe space like this, but its the cold hard truth. You can either realize it now, or be faced with crushing despair after dedicating 4 years of your life to something, only to come up empty handed and a 100,000 dollars in debt. .

>>9887348
nice assumptions there m80, tell me does attacking me bring you some type of solidarity with saying nonsense around here? Pulling assumptions out your wazoo inst nice.

>>9887354
>attacking me
I notice millennials always associate uncomfortable truths with being attacked in some way or form.

Its kind of pathetic.

>>9887360
t. zoomer
loving all these projections btw.

>>9887365
You missed out on calling me insecure.

awww he wants to keep going, no more (You)'s for u my pathetic little boomer.

you can call me a snowflake if you want :3
or you can tell me again how im gonna go into debt or something, you know, obvious. Please don't barge into my safe space, I might cry :'(

>>9887385
The fact that you're replying at all means you're quit triggered. Snowflake.

>>9887354
Why don't you look at the average salary for entry level positions (~$60k, which has been stagnant for years by the way) then look at the average salary BLS reports for engineers (~$100k ). The vast majority of engineers will not hit $100k soon, i.e. 5+ years at minimum. For that average salary to play out you must have a lot of engineers that are at =>$100k, meaning people that aren't fresh out of school, meaning that entry level positions are sparse, otherwise the numbers wouldn't play out.

You'd think it'd be reverse with most engineers being new graduates, but the reverse is true. Engineering is chuck-full of old fucks that refuse to retire, and are too daft to move up into management or consulting. Any one of them is pulling a salary that could easily fund two new engineers, but they'll sit on their ass and milk the salary for as long as they can. One old fuck at my work seems to spend half his day bullshitting with others or on smoke breaks.

If you want to succeed, enter a career that isn't filled with old shit stains, and that preferably is known to age discriminate.

Is knowing verilog good for hardware coding?
Is there a better alternative, should I just stick with C?
I have a bit of experience with verilog and want a bit more experience with hardware coding outside of classes.
Second year EE student btw.

>>9886213
I'd say that it depends on what you're doing specifically

>>9887225
Fuckers even forgot to hit enter on the 5th line.

Phone interview in 3 hours, wish me luck boyos.
>>9887225
I actually wish all companies were this straightforward with their bs requirements.
I can understand though, I forgot to replace <insert university name here> in my application to the university I currently go to.

>>9887618
proofreading isn't hard

>>9878182
bussiness is boooring i havent heard a sane man saying
-i love this job.
but money is needed in this society

Im halfway into mechatronics, is it a meme degree? Should I have just gone into mechanical instead?

>>9887868
Total meme caused by one retarded infographic

>hurr mechatronics is every field combined
So you learn nothing.

>>9887873
>>9887868

N-no, it's not a meme...plz no bully...

t. MSc in Mechatronic Engineering, now a CAD monkey

>>9887868
Yeah.
>mechanics professor: You don't need to know this, you're mechatronics
>electrical professor: You don't need to know this, you're mechatronics
>cs professor: You don't need to know this, you're mechatronics
If you're lucky you can get a job setting up manufacturing lines, programming robots and PLCs (aka a technician's job). Or get really lucky and wiggle your way into one of the specialities.

>>9887488
Well, considering Verilog is a HDL and C is not,You need know either that or VHDL

>>9887225
While we're on the matter, how exactly do I demonstrate lines 2-6 on a resume? How do I demonstrate teamwork skills for example other than by saying "excellent teamwork skills" somewhere?

>>9888379
You talk about leadership positions or how you worked in a group by doing X tasks (explain the task) in order to succeed in your project or whatever

>>9887560
This is /sci/. All knowledge is public

>>9878182
>HR asks for times to set up a job interview
>email them some times
>they stop responding
What did they mean by this?

>>9887225
>desire to work in a team environment
>ability to work independently without supervision
So which one is it?

>>9889120
It’s both. Your team isn’t going to know much about what you do so you have to be self directed in getting your piece of the project finished

>>9887488
desire and ability don't mean the same thing anon

>>9878979
Wrong. All the retards do Mechanical engineering here in my uni.
>t.mecha engineer

quick i have to chose by tomorrow.
help me /engi

Aerospace Engi vs CS

i like Aero slightly more then CS

>>9889411
What do you like about Aerospace, specifically? Engines? Materials? Design?
Go for CS if you like lots of abstraction, and don't fall for the "engies get unemployed CS is better XD XD" meme

>>9889378
impossible, civil engineers are literally the brainlets of the engineering world.

Just found out to day the my lab partner actually has a lot of connects in the industry. I asked him if he was worried about not having an internship on his resume and why he wasnt looking for one for the fall or spring and he just told me that his dad knows people in the millitary(dad is in the millitary) and at Wacom. I always wondered why this guy seemed to not really care about job exp. well now I know. We made it boys!

>>9889423
But it's not a meme, anon. Stop giving career advice if you haven't even fucking graduated yet, jesus.

>>9889411
Both are fine. Aero work involves some algorithms, but most of them are implemented in legacy languages like fortran.

Do aero if you like fluid mechanics and orbital mechanics. If you want to be non meme CS, study it with some hard mathematics. While your average CS major is dumb, a CS major who knows math is insanely valuable in the field.

http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~jean/math-basics.pdf

Here's a collection of professor's notes and lecture material in reference form on what he teaches to people in various parts of CS. The tensor and geometry sections in particular are really good.

I want to major in Biological Engineering at Penn State, taking the Agricultural Engineering option with an emphasis on machinery (I'd like to design farming equipment for companies like John Deere). Does anyone have any insights concerning this?

>>9890341
>I'd like to design farming equipment for companies like John Deere
That's just regular mechanical engineering, and if you're limiting your career prospects to one company you're going to have a really bad time.

>>9889477
>civil engineers are literally the brainlets of the engineering world.
No, those are Industrial Engies.

>>9890345
John Deere is just one example, but I understand what you mean. Ag Engies appear to be in demand from what I've found on google.

>>9878346

Lol you're not OP are you? My first job as an EIT was 102k/year

>>9878393
>Only because Engineering is oversaturated.
it is?

>>9878979
unless you live in the thirld world

In my country (Putinland) engineers has about 500$/month (6k/y) average salary. I have a degree in mechanical engineering, oil and gas field, in this field you can have like 10-12k$/y. Job profile is 28/28 rotation usually, 28 days on you work at like -40C degrees 12 hours a day whithout holidays, shitting at snowdrift, because there is no toilets at drilling rigs. 28 days off are not paid of course. Contractors from other countries get 10-14k$ least per month here for the same job.

And i cant even get this 10k/y shitty job, you need to be someones revative for this.
I dont think i can find a job in some english-speaking country, i have no any experience, and my english is bad, so im thinking about becoming a programmer, coding is the only field in post-soviet countries, where u can have 12-24k$/y and buy something besides food.
I've also heard that there are many programmers from third-world countries like russia in the usa, and employers recruit them quite willingly, is it true?

>>9890599
*holidays =>weekends

>>9890341
Why don't you just do mechanical engineering instead so you're not pigeonholed into one subset of engineering?

>>9890599
not quite, those third worlders need to be brown to be considered
You are white, and thus they are not allowed to hire you except when HR is not looking

you dumb bastards are the new boomers.
the reason none of you have jobs is because everybody went into engineering instead of physics. the reason you dumb bastards went into engineering instead of physics is because you fell for the actual meme

>>9890649
the only fucking way you survive in engineering is if you have a bundle of money for no reason, you get a cheme & applied physics degree and you buy stocks or entrepaneur

>>9890630
The degree itself is Biological Engineering, so if I was unable to be hired my an equipment manufacturer I could go into food production and regulation.

>>9890654
answer honestly: how many of you know quantum physics? Vacuum engineering? how to build a particle accelerator? THESE are the answers that make or break LIFE ON EARTH, superconductors, radioactivity. We are waiting for breakthroughs in PHYSICS to bring a new era of CHEMISTRY. But for these breakthroughs in physics, we need a physicist who knows CHEMISTRY. THEN you're all gonna be outta the fuckin job because you're the same assface who decided you'd take 100kstarting instead of doing RESEARCH so it's evident you're not gonna go back to school to get your new education

>>9890654
What's so good about scheMe and applied physics?

>>9890640
is this discrimination of white people in usa?

>>9890832
in the entirety of the western world
it fucking sucks because it makes things far more difficult, on an already difficult thing
you gotta be the absolute best to not get reamed by it, and even that might not save you

>>9886913
>>9887094

>your salary is a direct translation of a 40-hour work week

If you were getting paid by the hour, you'd get paid by the hour.

When you get paid a salary, you get paid for results. Those results may take 60 hours one week and 20 the next.

Did anyone else have a physics teacher who made fun of engineers only to realize later on that they where bitter about the fact that a physics degree isn't worth that much?

>>9891111
no
my calc III teacher did though
to be fair we were all a buncha stupid fucks

>>9891111
Worth much in what sense? If you want to be a professional physicist, then it means a lot. Also the amount of Monte Carlo experiments they are familiar with gives them a good incentive to apply to financial firms if they aren't so enamored with the academia of physics afterwards.

>>9891111
Dude, my computer architecture professor made fun of the EE's because they didn't know jack shit. Engineering undergraduate students are fucking dumb as a sack of bricks.

>>9891111
I had a chem lab instructor who would call the engineers androids. Engineers always destroyed the curve because chem kids were idiots though.

>>9891124
I have to agree sadly, the real reason why many people don't get a job as an engineer is that they lack any form of real experience and knowledge.
I'm happy that I made my master in EE with a focus on robotics, shit is fucking lit and I get paid 6 k a month.

I feel like such an impostor at work sometimes. When I get home from work I will workout, shower, quick nap, eat dinner, then review old topics that I have forgotten for the rest of the night. I

Don't you hate that rich and privileged people get high paying jobs despite doing mediocre-to-bad at university (and in general being fucking stupid) just because they have connections?

Meritocracy is bullshit. It's all about where you were born. It's like people have been brainwashed into thinking that working hard will grant them a good job. Hell fucking no.

>>9891239
I don't like it, but I see why it happens
Hiring people is expensive, if you can sidestep everything because you know someone who has the needed skills for the job, you save an absolute fuckload of money

also, you're more than capable of getting these connections yourself, just fucking talk to people in the field, you daft cunt

>>9891239
...so, armed with your education, you should reach out to people. Ask to do calls. Email recruiters and people you know at your school who have good connections. They can hook you up.

>>9890599
you would be considered a minority in the US, dont listen to that other guy talking about brownie points. Russians and polish immigrants also benefit from these because you're not white by the western definition. Try your luck and apply, try to get sponsored and move to the US. Its a lottery literally for you though because theres brownies from india trying to come here as well through the lotto visa thing, but if you can get sponsored then you'll be on the H1B visa.

>>9891239
bro just socialize with your peers. Like you dont' really know who they know or who their parents know. It's all about connection man. Lots of people forget about this and don't bother to make any or try to befriend people. It's okay to befriend people for networking purposes. You're using them for future employment opportunities, but they are also most likely doing the same by befriending you. It is what it is, but sometimes it's about who you know not what you know and blah blah blah.

>>9891265
Why do you think hiring is expensive? In my view, if you need to hire someone, you just open linkdin or shit, choose and invite for interview, at which step you need to spend fuckload of money?

>>9891500
What kind of benefits do you mean?

>>9891239
i wasnt hired as locksmith once because chief mechanical engineer was afraid that management can replace him with me, because i have an honors degree (i dont know how to call it correctly, in my country we call it "red diploma"). Chief engineer told me that, he could hire me bypassing chief mechanic, but he didnt want to quarrel with him. So there are plenty reasons not to hire you, not just lack of connections.

I went to an interview for a ceramic engineering company and they offered me $202,000 starting salary
Yep that was a good dream last night

>>9892258
Relocation costs and hiring bonus. I got $30k up front to move halfway across the country