/sci/ - Science & Math

>hello fellow hermit crab
>yea, heh heh, im a hermit crab too
>oy!

>>9858940
And some people still hold on to ideas of "intelligent design"...

>>9858940
Creationism btfo

>>9858940
brainlet here. what does this mean?

>>9858516
Can they also imitate new objects, or only animals they've had time to evolve alongside? Like could they turn into a football for eg?

>>9858995
Two completely different paths for evolution led to the same place, with one difference. The octo-eye has the nerves behind the retina so they don't have a blind spot like all vertebrates do. There's no way to go from one sort of eye to the other, so these must have been two entirely separate lines of evolutionary descent. It's a great example of convergence.

>>9858996

I once had an octopus try to evade me by looking like a little smooth black stone in the surf, after blending in with the outside of the conch shell I was holding, and that was after it spat water at me from inside the hole in the conch shell it was living in.

>>9858996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-LTWFnGmeg

im convinced there must be a planet of dominant cephalopod life

>>9858516
If you thought that was a hermit crab your may or may not be of low IQ and/or a brainlet.

>>9859035
*snap

>>9859037
Sorry about that but I'm right aren't I? That's pretty cool but it wouldn't fool a person.

>>9859041
anon i..

>>9858996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgDE2DOICuc

not exactly

so why dont parrots rule use already ? they can live up to 30 - 50 years ??? all they do is imitating too ?

>>9859033
>im convinced there must be a planet of dominant cephalopod life
It's called the ocean, as long as no bitch nigger sperm whales show up.

>>9859062
considering how intelligibly you communicate I wouldn't be so sure a parrot can't rule you

>>9859048
>knew what this was before I opened it
Cuttlefish always look so comfy.

>>9859062
So... this is the power of Boomer-speke?

>>9859101
hallo, I am a 12 year old boomer and what is this please?

>>9859070
Sorry, I just want you to think. I guess that's too hard for you.

>>9859115
Unless you're an absolute unit it won't appeal to the madman in you. Based.

>>9859128
*bites your boner
lol your turn

"intelligence" is just an emergent behavior of neurons.

>>9859001
This is why there won't be a lot of variation in the evolution of extraterrestrial life in similar environments because there are only so many variations in evolutionary taxonomy that works. That's why sharks, barracudas, and dolphins have similar streamline body types even though their common ancestors goes all the way back to the most primitive vertebrates as all three are aquatic pursuit predators that need body types that produce as little drag in the water as possible and not the body type that a sun fish or sea horse has.

>>9859174
Because hydrodynamics work pretty much the same all over.
Compare that to the boring as fuck terrestrial vertebrates which are all just boring skins on the same tetrapod body.
There are potential solutions we just can't get to because we've got a different set of lego then Alien-X's biological heritage.

similar (((shapeshifters))) already do

>>9859205
>There are potential solutions
Are there? Can you think of one? Maybe tetrapods are the most efficient solution for what vertebrates need to do

>>9858516
I wouldn't worry about it anon

>>9859260
I can imagine hexapods or octapods working just as easily. Giant spiders just aren't a thing because they are too stupid to know how to breathe correctly.

>>9859048
The cuttly tried pretty hard! He actually got some black and white rectangles to appear on his back but they were too big. Then he went with black and white squiggles which were the right scale but too squiggly. What a good cuttlefish.

>>9859327
what would happen, if you placed a cuddlefish on an lcd screen, just as the pattern shifts, you change the pattern, but only on the area the cuttlefish is occupying. The only space changed is the space blocked by view of the cuddlefish, I bet it'd change color/pattern. Apparently they can see with their entire skin, even see in the dark.

>>9859342
They do show problem solving skills, it would probably play with it as long as it doesn't come off as threatening or stressful.
Like trying to communicate with it by flashing color, or whatever.
They're weird creatures, the more you learn about them the more interesting it becomes.

>>9858516
They have no proprioception though. If they can't see their limbs they can't control them

This reminds me of lucas the spider.

>>9858516
Sometimes I wish I had gone into the biologics to play with cephalopods. And by play, I mean play with their DNA, of course. It's tragic that they die so fast.

>>9859628
how do they use their posterior legs?

>>9860044
>It's tragic that they die so fast.
That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die.

>>9860134
>That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die.


uhhh.... you ok anon?

>>9860141
these suckers are so intelligent, if cephalopods didn't have such short lifespans I think they'd be something like pic realted

What if there is a species that's super long living and super intelligent, but we can't detected them because they're both clever and super adept at hiding/camouflage.

>>9860044
>play with their DNA
yea as someone from the "biologics", we dont want you lol.

>>9860141
>>9860134

hey guys ive read lovecraft have you read lovecraft? FNGLWI MGWA amirite guys?

>>9861151
I remember an article a while ago where a couple of scientist threw up their hands in frustration and said they were probably ayy lmaos because they produce way to many weird proteins.

>>9862009
That's ridiculous. We can compare our DNA and clearly see that once we had a common ancestor.

>>9858995
It means god is a shitty electrician and left the wiring in front of the photodetectors

>>9861151
and what exactly is wrong with experimenting on animals to extend their lifespans?

Prove there is something wrong with a genetics-modifying experiment that increases lifespan in non-humans.

>>9862142

>>9862142
i never said there was anything wrong with it. just the term "play with their DNA" shows a lack of understanding of how simple it is to manipulate DNA. If anything, you would look at the proteins involved in the camouflage response

>>9859085

should be called cutefish

>>9858516
>if Cephalopods could live longer than 5 years they would rule us all.

not without the ability to make and use fire, they wouldn't.

>>9863013
What if they go straight to nuclear fire?

>>9862174

>>9863440
Mechakek

>>9859041
It fooled me because I didn't know there are animals that fucking shapeshift into hermit crabs.

>>9864602
Or is it a hermit crab disguised as a squid disguised as a hermit crab?

>>9859048
I'm convinced that if given enough time, exposure, and several generations, the cuddlefish could mimic that enviornment much more effectively

>>9862186
>someone not in the field is showing lack of knowledge about it
Wow, that guy is a complete retard!

>>9858516
jews race mix with whites to look more like us and they rule us all

>>9859174
so what you're saying is aliens will be fuckable?

>>9866421
he's talking mad shit
pretty much anything can accommodate a pole or a hole tho

>>9858516
Cephalopods typically stop growing early in life:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284996077_Behaviour
And even if they grew for five years straight, they would still only weigh as much as an african elephant, at largest, and they still wouldn't be able to competently navigate land terrain.