/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9855354
Why would humans be fucked?

>>9855361
Lack of water, lack of food, and an unbearable toxic environment will lead to a collapse of civilization.

>>9855354
>Can climate change be stopped, reversed, or even managed, or are we so far fucked I should just French kiss my gun?
You can't stop something that isn't happening.

>>9855372
Don't be deluded. I know it's terrifying, but its happening. It's still early days but as it continues the side-effects will pick up pace at an exponential rate. We're going to be staring down the worst effects by 2030.

>>9855370
How much hotter is this shit gonna get

>>9855398
between 4-6 degrees Celsius globally.

>live directly in front of a sun star
>expect not to heat up
>meme arrows

Be aware that just about every publicly released time line of global warming is based on best case scenarios. The idea of civilization lasting until 2100 is optimistic at best, and we could see a collapse as early as 2030.

>>9855354
>should just French kiss my gun?
I don't see how that could possibly help.
kys retard

>>9855407
The thought of living through the end of the world is terrifying

>>9855400
average.
less above the sea, more above land

>>9855440
and if that doesn't make you shit your pants, you don't understand ecology

>>9855380
top kek

>>9855449
Laugh while you can. Drink, smoke and fuck. Enjoy the time we have left.

>>9855380
muh doomsday cult

>>9855486
find what consolation you can, I guess.

>>9855447
I suppose 47' days does sound kinda shit

Don't get too worried, OP. Worst case is that we will have to break out the geoengineering methods to keep things cool, but there will be no great climate change related collapse.

Picture related could block any plausible warming effects for an estimated $20 billion a year, and do so quickly. There is also marine cloud brightening, which would use automated wind powered barges to spray sea salt and increase cloud formation; that could also completely block the warming effect for about the same costs, give or take. While not perfect fixes, they would be much cheaper than dealing with unrestricted global warming.

Of course the real fun will start when different countries disagree on what the global thermostat should be set at. Russia and India might have very different ideas as to what the worlds temperatures should be, for example. And marine cloud brightening could be used to adjust weather patterns on a more local scale, which could be weaponized.

>>9855354

Both

>>9855354
Climate change is beneficial for most of northern hemisphere.

>>9855370
>Lack of water, lack of food, and an unbearable toxic environment
All of this is wrong.
Food production in Europe, Russia,Canada, lots of USA is going to increase.
There will be plenty of water, and climate will be actually improved for many places.

Benefits of global warming
>longer harvest period, more food
>longer building period, easier construction without winter and snow
>less expenses on heating housing
>cold and flu stops being a problem for health
>easier transportation due to lack of ice and snow
>modernization of coastal cities

>>9856004
>just wait til science fiction is real

cringe

>>9855354
Before offing yourself during uncertain times, why don't you wait and see if it gets bad enough to know? This isn't going to happen so fast as to miss an opportunity to grab your gun.

>>9855354
>Can climate change be stopped, reversed, or even managed
It could be. But it won't. We're fucked.

>>9856291
I don't live in the northern hemisphere

>>9855405
>every publicly released time line of global warming is based on best case scenarios.

Because if an unexpected phase change, like the Day after tomorow happened, we can sit back and say "We never saw that coming."

Fukishima and Fudai

"The 3,000 residents owe their lives to the late Kotaku Wamura, who lived through an earlier tsunami and made it a priority of his four-decade tenure as mayor to defend his people from the next one. "

>>9856294
pretty much
only people seriously affected will be niggers and other shitskins
and as long as we build a decent wall with machine guns, we'll be fine

>>9856563
That was true from the beginning, but you do have to consider that the latter will probably not be enough, nor is it even necessarily what's going to actually happen.

>>9855354
African depopulation is the final solution. With Africa depopulated, massive amounts of rainforest would regrow.

>>9856294
>Food production in Europe, Russia,Canada, lots of USA is going to increase.
Any local increases are going to be small, and heavily outweighed by reductions elsewhere.

>There will be plenty of water
The predictions I've seen are for increased variation in rainfall. Places that are already wet will get wetter, places that are already dry will get drier. Neither is good for agriculture.

>>9856300
>longer harvest period, more food
Where do you get that nonsense from?

>cold and flu stops being a problem for health
Because tropical diseases are famously mild.

>modernization of coastal cities
Fuck you.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/06/global-warming-double-what-models-predict-study/760748002/

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/03/19/4200204.htm

>>9855412
Ironic, given that most doomsday predictions come about because people are unable to come to grips with the fact that Life goes on after they're dead.

>>9857107
life continuing after me is the only consolation I have

>>9855354
We aren't fucked, but you should still French kiss your gun.

>>9856300
actual effects of global warming:
>worsened droughts and extreme weather
>shorter winters but more snow during winters due to increased evaporation in the tropics and therefore more precipitation
>more expenses on cooling housing, more heat-related deaths due to hotter summers
>no change in cold/flu (despite the name, weather doesn't cause them), mosquito-borne tropical diseases more widespread
>inundation of coastal cities

/pol/ just likes to live in their own little delusional world is all.

>>9855354
>>9855370
>>9855380

How's waiting for the Second Coming treatin' ya?

>>9855354
Most people will die, but what of it? YOiu can't help that, but you can help yourself. Move north, have a garden.

>>9857210
>scientific data is the same thing as religious fundamentalism

Just this year the Arctic lost enough ice that the northwest passage is now open year round.

>>9856810
See, the problem with the /sci/-fi posters is that they believe in the Great God Progress.

So all their thinking will always be focused on proving progress, and they will eliminate contrary evidence. They don't understand that science and technology are the result of socital complexity increasing, and that the increase is caused by increased energy. As we are losing primary resource supplies, complexity must go down.

But their lives are built on the belief in progress, so no matter the evidence they will defend progress.

>>9857223

>>9856810
>>9857131
all models show only third world will be effected, first world will be fine as long as we protect our borders(most likely with automated hunter killer drone swarms)

>>9857415
just looking at Egypt, that map is bullshit

The only way to stop this is to enact one world socialist government with Al Gore as the Supreme Leader.

>>9857415
>USA is third world
>Australia is third world

>>9857447
You can unironically trace this shit back to the election of George W.

>>9857451
>USA is third world
>Australia is third world
Australia is debatable, but USA is a Third World country with First World enclaves and military

>>9857442
>that map is bullshit
here, have another one

>>9857442
maybe this map will be better for you, warmer?

>>9857415
>>9857643
>>9857690
You realise that all the maps you've posted show proportional changes in yields, not absolute changes, right? Because that makes them practically worthless for evaluating changes in global production.

>>9856528
get good

>>9856294
>Growing anything with a dry water table and no topsoil
OK kid

>>9855372
>it isn't happening
Just keep saying that to yourself as it happens.

>>9858083
>as it happens
Just keep saying that to yourself as it doesn't happen.

>>9857643
> posts map of US
> entire corn belt predicts a -50% fertilization
> First World will be fine
Are you just trolling, or do you like contradicting yourself?

Read Marc Reisner's Cadillac Desert (1986). Most of the West coast of the US is fed by the Colorado river - which is in turn fed by the snow packs of the Rocky Mountains. Take away the snow packs, and the river runs dry.

Most of the Western world is supported by corn/wheat, which is grown at such yields thanks to the petroleum-driven pumping of the Ogallala aquifer. Water levels have dropped for over 40 years, as we draw out water for crops and then ship the crops elsewhere.

Decrease either rainfall or the supply of cheap petroleum / diesel, and what do you believe happens to our food supply?

>>9857690
> warmer
Ah, yes, the Republican mantra. Ignore the problems, instead spew forth an endless steam of ad hominems while hiding your head firmly up your own asses.

Just remember - no government in the world has ever survived food riots. Not France in the 1700's. Not the Soviet Union in the 1990's. Syria might, if Russia keeps supplying air support in exchange for oil. But I doubt it.

>>9858112
I couldn’t care less about Muttrica, I live in an European ethnostate, with less than 1.0 homicide per capita, booming economy and agriculture that will grow stronger under global warming scenario.

>>9857982
>Antarctica melts
>Guys we will have no water!
kek, warmers are absolute morons

Time to get crispy third worlders hehe

daily reminder that gdp per capita in Europe will experience positve growth under global warming scenario.
Looks like European global empire is back on the menu boys!

What do you guys think is going to happen when all the black gold runs out?

Also it'll probably happen sooner than we think Considering the US Army in 2010 said that it would be dangerously low in 2015 and the only reason it didn't happen is because of fracking.

>>9858342
>Also it'll probably happen sooner than we think Considering the US Army in 2010 said that

So by definition is is happening, if it happens significantly later than we thought.

And no, that does not mean I think the supply is infinite -- I think economics scale demand and to an extent supply, making things like fracking econ0mically viable and making alternate resources more viable as well.

>>9858276
Why is china presented as producing a moderate amount of CO2 emissions when they produce double the amount of the united states every year

>>9858357
>per capita

>>9858342
>oil
>running out
kek
There are several mega oil fields under Arctic and Antarctica, waiting to be sucked dry out of their juicy holes

>>9858112
>deluded into thinking that USA is First World
there are war zones safer to live in than some Amerimutt cities

>>9858411
we cant dig there

>>9855354
Climate change would be happening even without human interference. So humans trend the Earth to be a few degrees warmer, big fucking deal. There was once a time when giant insects buzzed around and the atmosphere was 35% oxygen.

If sea levels rise you buy real estate above water. If you need to grow warmer weather crops you grow warmer weather crops. If you need to think about what kind of ground cover (plants/trees) will help maintain ideal moisture and temperatures then you do that.

Stop believing the lies.

>>9858522
we can dug there easily, with or without ice cover, also plenty of oil on the seabed.
Ice itself isn’t a problem, we can access the ground by creating valleys and craters through using hydrogen bomb charges.

>>9858522
Tell that to Russia. Putin is currently preparing to dig up Arctic gas.

That said the renewables boom is lowering our dependence on fossil fuels. Not to the point of elimination, but it will help spread out the limited supply of oil and gas.

>>9855354
Just plant more trees, make others plant more trees. Especially where forest fires are rare, because trees eat CO2.

>>9858268
Ertu Íslendingur?

>>9858776
>t. guy who knows nothing about petroleum engineering but read a few articles in Popular Mechanics once

>>9858281
>>9858268

thank god we can eat money.

>>9856567
>African depopulation
how can we speed this up?

>>9859219
you forgot that models predict increase of food production in most of first world.

>>9859219
>>9859559

>>9859559
>>9859564
>I don't understand how percentages work
Deniers seem to get dumber with each thread.

>>9855354
Yeah just leave your refrigerator open.

>>9855354
It may be manageable, but we need all the dumb fucking retards to stop being retarded. Running your AC set at 60 because "I don't like the heat" and "I want it to be COLD" is retarded when it takes hundreds or thousands of pounds of coal to run that unit for the summer. I see so much wastefulness from idiots around me, because they are idiots. A "stop climate change" bumper sticker on your car doesn't do fucking anything you goddamn fucking NPC.

>>9855370
>Lack of water, lack of food, and an unbearable toxic environment will lead to a collapse of civilization.
Not even denying GW, but if you believe any of this will happen, you're a fucking brainlet.

>>9859852
I hope it doesn't. I've been so crippled with anxiety over the climate I'm barely functioning. I'm desperate to hear its going to be okay by someone credible. 'Okay' meaning the continued existence of society and the human race for at least a few more generations, in a non-nightmarish form.

What would current climate be like had anthropogenic change not occurred?

>>9859898
about the same as the early-to-mid-1800s

>>9858534
>Climate change would be happening even without human interference. So humans trend the Earth to be a few degrees warmer, big fucking deal.
A few degrees over 200 years is extremely rapid warming, an order of magnitude faster than interglacial warming. The big deal is that this does not give the ecosystems we rely on enough time to adapt, and it destroys infrastructure we thought would last. The most efficient solution to this problem is to mitigate the damage by reducing CO2 emissions, but gullible people like you are stopping that from happening because the fossil fuel industry has spread misinformation.

Stop believing lies.

>>9855354
Climate change can be reversed by removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Excess CO2 in the atmosphere is what causes climate change in the first place. Methane decays into CO2 after about five years or so, so if you solve the CO2 problem you solve the methane problem also. There are technologies that have already been developed that can do this, and they're being improved as we speak.

Will it be extremely expensive? Probably. But it's that or runaway warming, so which do you think humanity will choose?

>>9860329
>>9860403
Why would anyone want to stop climate change? It has so many advantages, that is ridicolous to opposite it.

>>9859859
climate change will mean golden age for humanity, don’t worry about it

>>9859600
percentages in first world are beneficial, food production and gdp will grow in most of it.
As to places like Africa, they aren’t that vital to our civilization.

>>9860521
What does "number of advantages" even mean? What is the effect of these advantages and how does it offset the disadvantages?

>>9860555
>longer growing season
>better transportation
>longer construction season
>less deaths from cold and flu
>no need to pay for expensive heating
>less depression among population
>no need to buy warm clothing

>>9860555
I can think of:
-less cold related diseases
-shorter, milder winter
-easier transport without snow and ice blocking highways, railways and sea routes, which helps lower the cost of supply and logistics
-longer harvest season and increased agricultural production for several countries
-less energy needed to heat homes, reducing smog and pollution
-more cattle as more grazing areas are uncovered
-longer building period which is usually slowing down or haltng alltogether in autum/winter
-opportunity to rebuild cities from the coastal areas into new and modern high tech developments using modern techniques, materials and planning

>>9860562
>>9860569
Neither of you answered my question. Making a list of advantages does not tell me the magnitude of them or that they offset the disadvantages.

>>9860605
The converse is the same in that no one can really quantify the negative impact without wild speculation.

>>9860607
Your inability to quantify your own claims does not reflect on others.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25626424/

>>9860647
what is air-con

Hmmmm

>>9860676
So you didn't even read the first sentence?

>One feature of climate change is the increasing heat exposure in many workplaces where efficient cooling systems cannot be applied.

It's clear that you have no interest in arguing based on facts and reasoning. You are just protecting your ideologically preconceived position. Why are you on the science board?

>>9860647
and yet South-East Asia is booming, with skyscrappers popping up like mushrooms.Yeah I am sure rise in temperature by 2-4 degrees will destroy our planet, especially places like Norway, Russia or Poland

Why stop it? There are many positives to climate change that go along with the negatives. Without the northern ice cap in place, trade between Europe, Canada, and Russia will explode and everyone will get access to the rich resources on the arctic seafloor. When the Antarctic ice cap recedes enough, it opens up an entire new continent to live on.

The various problems are not even well understood. For example, there are recently concerns over low oxygen "dead zones" in the ocean due to higher temperatures and algal blooms; but during the dinosaur era, ocean temperatures were MUCH higher than today, yet massive oxygen hungry creatures could survive just fine in huge numbers. So what are we missing here? We won't know what is going to happen until it actually happens, so we can't really plan ahead at this point.

I mean, coastal cities are fucked, but at this point, we're already too late to stop that. If it ever got REALLY dangerous (greenhouse snowball into Venus-like conditions), humanity could band together deal with it in time if we took drastic measures (covering the seas with reflective material, building plants to brute force CO2 into Carbon and Oxygen, genetically modify some fast growing weed into a monster self-spreading carbon vampire, etc.)

>>9860741
Jesus Christ you're dim.

The floods in Japan would have been world consuming news ten years ago. Same with the dust storms in Arizona, and the heatwaves taking over the northern hemisphere.

But these extreme events have become normal. Even best case scenarios by mid-century are catastrophic, and we aren't on the road to best case scenarios.

>>9860688
>http://www.pnas.org/content/111/43/15296

>The record for the past 1,000 y is sparse compared with that from 1 to 6.7 ka BP, but there is no evidence in this data set to indicate that regional climate fluctuations, such as the Medieval warm period followed by the Little Ice Age, are associated with significant global sea-level oscillations.

>>9860703
It ain't destroy our poverty, it will just cost us a lot. I don't see why saving money by reducing emissions is so catastrophic.

>>9860703
It won't destroy our planet, it will just cost us a lot. I don't see why saving money by reducing emissions is so catastrophic.

>>9855354
>are we fucked?
>asking this on NEET hate parade forum

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_TlAErpZbYM

>>9856294
>Food production in Europe, Russia,Canada, lots of USA is going to increase.
you're already wrong. climate change causes odd temperature swings and more severe storms happening more frequently. here in Wisconsin during the 3rd week of April we had a massive snowstorm (https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/04/16/twin-cities-snow-record/).). this fucked things up for the farmers who already planted crops. since then we had significant rainfall and hail. I live in rural Wisconsin, surrounded by farmland, and every single crop farmer in the area has suffered damages to their crops. Not their entire crops, but a significant amount. This will continue to happen, getting worse in time.

You realize the world freezes over and kills 90% of all land life every few thousand years right?

>>9861817
Thats wrong retard.
Mass extinctions are rare, what we are currently experiencing is a tragedy that is scarcely comprehensible to us.
http://www.pnas.org/content/114/30/E6089

>>9861839
No it's not you simp. The Earth spends most of its time covered in ice and an ice age would very likely be happening very soon if it weren't for that fact we're shitting out green house gases like there's no tomorrow.

>>9861847

>>9861847
>The earth spends most of it's time covered in ice.
Yeah except for the parts that aren't glaciated. "Every few thousand years" is not the scale glacial advance happens on and 90% of terristral life does not disappear. Anyways marine biodiversity is by far the best measure. We are experiencing extinction rates hundreds or even thousands of times higher than the background rates depending on the area, and there is evidence that speciation rates have slowed and for some taxa have even halted entirely.

>>9861847
>The Earth spends most of its time covered in ice

>>9861873
>>9861879
>>9861903

It doesn't surprise me at all that vegan libtard doomsayers are completely inept retards with not even the most tenuous of graspa on reality.

"In the natural cycle, the world can warm, and cool, without any human interference. For the past million years this has occurred over and over again at approximately 100,000 year intervals. About 80-90,000 years of ice age with about 10-20,000 years of warm period, give or take some thousands of years."

haha I trolled them good I can't wait to post this to the_donald so I can get some upvotes! maga!

>>9855370
>>9855380
Cool. I'll be dead by then, so not my fucking problem.

>>9861919
Yeah, I know alot more about the quaternary than you do. Especially the biota, the weren't any mass extinctions close to what we have had in the warm Holocene. Furthermore the unprecedented biodiversity loss of the Holocene extinction and widespread disintegration of ecosystem and climate boundaries and processes will leave life on Earth crippled in terms of the adaptive capacity of populations and ecosystems, spelling even further castrophe when the ice sheets descend again. So inevitable glacial advance in the relatively near future id just another reason why climate change and the anthropocene extinction event are even more terrifying.

>>9861919
>muh natural event

Nice fallacy you dope

>>9861792
we already know Third World will suffer food problems, thats of no concern to European countries

>>9861948
>So primitive in thought that they only care about their surroundings.
This is the smoking gun indicating brainletism.

>>9855354
>>9855361
most of them will be. The .1% are building self-sustaining vaults in New Zealand and Antarctica at an increasing pace
>https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/feb/15/why-silicon-valley-billionaires-are-prepping-for-the-apocalypse-in-new-zealand
>https://www.cnn.com/style/article/doomsday-luxury-bunkers/index.html

Some are opting to only include their immediate family while others are going for a "community" of hand selected individuals to accompany them.

>>9855354
According to scientists, global warming will actually be good for my country, so I don't care (except for the flood of immigrants from southern shitholes I suppose). The only issue would be the cities on the sea flooding, but they are overcrowded shitholes beyond saving anyway, so again, I don't care.

>>9861973
do you think all those people will continue living in the flooded cities or do you think they'll migrate inland?

>>9861981
Drown. But in case they don't, I can always build shitty houses on my land, charge them extortionate rent and feel privileged for doing so.

>>9861973
What country?
See also
>>9861959

>grug no care about climate change ogga booga
>News says climate change good for grugs place
>Grug no care about places that no grugs.
>Extended growing season ogga booga
>Fuck other place

>>9861987
I wish I was as ignorant and optimistic as you. I'd even be happy with 50%.

>>9861981
they can try to immigrate to my country, it mean right wing rule within a year and machine guns on the border.

>>9860741
>I mean, coastal cities are fucked, but at this point, we're already too late to stop that. If it ever got REALLY dangerous (greenhouse snowball into Venus-like conditions), humanity could band together deal with it in time if we took drastic measures (covering the seas with reflective material, building plants to brute force CO2 into Carbon and Oxygen, genetically modify some fast growing weed into a monster self-spreading carbon vampire, etc.)
As an outsider, your post is not at all insightful. You are just mashing together a pile of fantasies. I picked this one paragraph as an illustration, but if I had the time I could probably do it to any of them, or all of them.

>>9862030
you think that border patrol will stick around when the decline of civilization is already over the horizon, supplies and food become scarce, and the ruling elite become absent after fleeing to their bunkers?

>>9862101
civilization might collapse in certain African or Middle East countries, but hardly in places like Poland, where agricultural yield is going to increase and weather improve.

>>9862017
Grug is right.Some places win, some places lose.Climate change means better living conditions in Central and Northern Europe,worse in Africa.Thankfully I don’t live in Africa, nor does my country have any significant African immigration.

>>9861959
why should I care for Third World?

>>9860329

without fossil fuel, you would be living in a cave, brainlet

>>9861919
If we stopped emitting greenhouse gases we would slowly cool into a glacial period over the next ten thousand years. How does this mean we shouldn't reduce our emissions to prevent rapid warming in the next hundred? It's like saying being obese is good because if we stop eating we'll starve.

>>9862122
>Therefore I'll accept anything the industry says regardless of the scientific facts.
Nice fallacy retard.

>>9862113
First of all you're inexorably connected to the third world. How do you not get this in the 21st century?
>There are winners and losers
>t. 16yo boomer.
Also African biota has a right to exist in its own right, loosing the tropics and life around the world is going to leave us in a world impoverished not only in natural resources, but also wanting for meaning and life. Why would you want earth to become more and more devoid of life and meaning, why are you not concerned about this lose of life? Africa and south America are beautiful, tropical paradises that will be further ruined? What kind of person would be okay with this? An ignorant person who knows very little about the world they live in let alone it's dynamics, or a sociopath.
I dont expect you to care about things you know nothing about. I do expect you to become aware of your ignorance and work to correct it.

>>9861792

you just think it's getting worse because you suffer from presentist bias, you see all these headlines about record weather events but not smart enough to realize people have only been seriously record weather events for 60 years

>>9862167
No, I think it's getting worse because I'm educated. The Clathrate Gun has been fired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis
Keep believing what Fox News tells you. You'll get to be the frog in the boiling pot of water.

>>9862167
>you see all these headlines about record weather events but not smart enough to realize people have only been seriously record weather events for 60 years
Pretty condescending talk from someone who doesn't understand that we can understand what the climate was like through, tree rings, sediment, ecological assemblages especially florisric ones. Well preserved phenological traits like flowering and insect emergence in correspondence to annual seasonal changes that obviously have been preserved long enough to warrant a phenological rigidity. You can look at the current changes impact on ecosystem function, behavior and populations. This is all what we can figure out from living datum. Let's not forget about borrings, sediment cores, ice cores and whatnot, or larger focuses intersecting biogeography and systematics.
You are a fucking retard and your doubt only proves your near complete ignorance.

>>9862196
Don't waste your time on him. I guarantee he only understands 45% of the words you wrote in that well written response.

>>9862159
>First of all you're inexorably connected to the third world.
Kek, look at this westerner and laugh.
Not in my country you cuck. I lived 30 years without seeing a single black, Arab or asian in my city of 150,000.
As to food we are self-sufficient, as to oil it doesn’t come from Middle East, and if worst would come, our coal reserves could provide us with energy for 600 years.

>>9858342
> It will never run out completely. However, the last time US gas prices rose above $4 / gallon, a global recession was the result.

You will see a lot of political unrest long before supply gets choked off.

>>9862111
You believe it's gonna stay that way when your country winds up becoming a great place due to climate change while their countries go to shit, as you claim?

>>9858342
>What do you guys think is going to happen when all the black gold runs out?
It will be interesting news on morning channel in September 2785, especially among posthuman mining operators on Titan extracting hydrocarbons

>>9862239
And what makes you think we will open our borders, after seeing what happened to the West? A threat of 12,000 refugees coming elected far roght government. A million would cause creation of ethnostate that would scare even /pol/

When you think about it, it's natural for humans to deny terrible news. Especially when it involves something they can't fully understand and immediately observe. If you approached 100 people and told them "In 15 years you and everyone you love will either be dead or living in a post-societal collapse environment ala The Road, and I have all the documents here to prove it", most of them will deny it without even looking at the evidence.

>>9862268
>shorter winters and more corn produced in Europe
>everyone will be dead ohmygawd

>>9855354
Literally the worst thing they could have done was advocate for a carbon tax with regards to fighting climate change. It triggered a visceral reaction in uneducated hicks (who make up a huge proportion of the population), making them highly skeptical of not just climate science, but all science and authority in general. We had one chance and blew it and now we're totally fucked because certain climate scientists bought into economists' "solution" to the problem..

>>9862190
The clathrate gun hypothesis is fringe science. Stick to the consensus.

>>9862307
And what is your brilliant uneconomic solution?

>>9855354
>>9862307
If they'd been honest from the get go, and said climate is changing because of carbon emissions, but fossil energy is a huge part of what keeps our societies going and we don't yet have the technology to replace it, so we need to address our population growth, things could have been different.

Hot summers,no more winters, cheap food and wine? Fuck yeah.
How do we accelerate global warming?

>>9862320
If you were honest, you would admit that fossil fuels could be largely replaced with nuclear and renewables and that population growth is not something that can be controlled via mandate.

>>9862312
We could have been like fucking Japan and South Korea.... s m h. But that was unacceptable to politicians and their economist lap thingies. Oh well I guess.... since we refuse to willingly accept degrowth, nature will force it on us in what will probably be a very unpleasant way.

>>9862343
>population growth is not something that can be controlled via mandate
It absolutely can be, and you have once again shown yourself to be the dishonest one. The country where I get the privilege of voting has decided (largely against the will of the population), to increase immigration levels by 1% per year for the foreseeable future.

>>9856004

Sulfur dioxide will come back as acidic rain.

More acid into the oceans, not a solution.

I have a front row seat, and for my own predictions, I just look at what normal people are doing.

>driving extemely large vehicles
>eating lots of meat
>generally endeavoring to participate in heavily entropic businesses


We. Are. Fucked.

>>9862363
>>driving extemely large vehicles

If you've been around long enough you can remember the times from before they were cool. I don't know what happened. Something cultural. Something possibly related to politicians spouting about carbon taxes...

"all progress depends upon the unreasonable man"

Science is the greatest thing humans ever created but today all it does is put deadly technology in the hands of retards.

Literally our smartest people spend all day figuring out better and more effective ways to psychologically hijack peoples minds to get them to buy shit they don't need

These smart people "stood on the shoulders of giants" to take a big shit on the whole planet.

Only when these people are dragged out of their teslas and beaten senseless in the streets will anything change.

Whether you believe that CO2 effects the earth's heat is up to you. But the earth is heating in it's natural process cough cough Ice age cough cough

>>9862346
what exactly did Japan and SK do?

>>9862366
> Something possibly related to politicians spouting about carbon taxes...

No one cares about that. Its psychology being exploited by marketing.

I'll tell you how.

The part of the brain that senses periphery and makes us so dextrous with clubs, swords, etc, activates when we get in large vehicles.

Just as the feeling of picking up a sword makes you feel like ti is a part of your body, and feel powerful, so it is, getting in a huge powerful vehicle.

When they climb in the cab they "grow" powerful. And when they get out, the "shrink" and become weak and powerless.

The vehicle is a lot more than the sum of its parts or its effects. This is just one, maybe the most integral reason it can't be reasoned with. I think maybe more important is a more subtle recognition that humans accelerate entropy wherever they can and the most immediate and powerful acceleration is literally burning fossil fuels.

Overcoming the animal side of our nature was the promise of science and technology and now its just nakedly used to enslave and destroy us

>>9862346
So you have no solution and are just tilting at windmills.

>>9862370

The reason the ice age bullshit is meme garbage is obvious

>sunspots
>Maunder minimum

Its the old psychological escape hatch

>>9855354
Climate change is a meme
Singles confirm

>>9862333
>Hot summers

Evaporation accelerates, vegetation dies back, warm air pushes faster winds, soil erodes, insects and diseases move north

>no more winters

Insects affecting crops aren't killed and have even more reproductive cycles, funguses and molds proliferate

cheap food and wine? Fuck yeah.

Crop yields are flattening while population continues to grow. Abundance turns to scarcity. We've consolidated agriculture and built it out for export commodity markets. Local population centers far too big to feed with output from surrounding area. Crops take a hit across the board. Food prices rise. Militaries take over regulation of production and logistics.

Wine grapes wither and die and better soils aren't found in northern regions, while pests proliferate and blight attacks. Chemical fertilizers poison new growing ecosystems. The ideal places for wine are also ideal for food calories. Conditions get better for wildfires. Invasive insect species cause massive dieoffs increasing burning timber

>How do we accelerate global warming?

We are accelerating it.

>>9860959

Corporations have a 5 year plan, governments aren't much better. We are shortsighted, mostly controlled by economic interests.

There are international bodies attempting to forge voluntary agreements but they are being actively subverted by bad faith actors.

>>9862394
thank God I live in Europe where climate will improve and food production will grow.
Sucks to be you third world.

>>9862394
/x/ is this way——->

>>9862394
thank God I live in Poland.
Get fucked in the desert cucks.

>>9862429
>I exist in a vaccuum

>>9862459
so? what are Africans going to do? Teleport to Poland?
Also we will make a killing on selling food products.

>>9862353
That's just moving people around, doesn't affect the problem.

>>9862379
In the 90's and early 2000's everyone thought cars were cool, lowered if possible.

>>9862417
what's wrong? too scared to be reading about the future? it's ok. denial is part of the process.

>>9862498
Ya, its moving people from low footprint high birth rate places to high footprint low birth rate places so property developers build more, and corporations can sell more. If I wanted to grow the economy and spur population growth over the long term, I would encourage this, and there are practically no economists that I'm aware of who are against it.

>>9862545
the future is you serving Polish Masters for a loaf of bread and pierogi

>>9862250
They're going to come whether your borders are open or not if that's where the food is.

>>9862585
Not if you shoot them. You're talking about a dystopian warring st as the period

>>9855354
Go ahead french kiss your gun I dont care

>>9862593
>He honestly believes he can shoot every single part the flood of refugees from flooding and famine-ridden countries

Must be nice living a fantasy.

>>9862599
hey man Poland is pretty hard to invade just ask Germany and Russia

>>9860562
>>9860569
see >>9857131

>>9856300
... do you think that temperature and the common cold are related? Are you a child?

>>9862122
>without water you'd be a shriveled up raisin-man
>stop complaining about drowning!

>>9862607
>a mass of African starving refugees armed with sticks and occassional AK-47
>comparable to Soviet Union and Nazi Germany
so this is the power of leftist thinking...

>>9862554
Any morally decent human would be against most of the development that takes place.

>>9862554
How does limiting immigration solve global warming? You're not making any sense.

>>9862684
Native populations in China,Europe, america, haveall self limitedtheir growth. Import allthese economic migrants from Africaand they want 3.5 kidsand nowyourenot asustainabccountryanymore. Fuxkyou androikeyboard.eyo

>>9862684
You are not an intelligent person.

>>9862689
So you have the same emissions from developed countries and increasing emissions from developing countries. Again, what is your solution?

>>9858272
>t. thinks you can use salty ocean water for agriculture

>>9855354
Climate change always happens, so it's inevitable.
Just look back at the ice age. Who melted all that ice?
And don't forget that watervapour is the most important greenhouse gas of all time. Bc it absorbs more IR radiation.
>b-but CO2
Try this: two chambers, enviroments chemically isolated. One with water vapour, one with CO2. Which of those chambers will get hotter if both exposed to sunlight?
About chemicals holding watervapour, CH4 is worse than CO2. There are still vehicles emitting CH4 (at some vehicles you can even smell the fuel).

>B-but water gets acidified
You cannot regulate that with taxation, instead alkalize the water with an ionizer.
>Cathode attracts H+
>Anode attracts any alkaline chemical
Just let the acidic part of the water get into a place isolated from nature and put the alkaline water back into the sea. Larger scale = better

>>9863782
Weak bait to be quite desu with you

>>9863782
What a load of nonsense.

>Climate change always happens, so it's inevitable.
You're always gaining or losing weight, so becoming obese is inevitable, right?

>Just look back at the ice age. Who melted all that ice?
What are you talking about? We are currently in the Quaternary Ice Age that began 2.5 million years ago. Are you referring to interglacial warming? These occur because of solar irradiance increasing due to Earth's orbital eccentricity. If this warming occurs at the right time, it triggers various feedback loops in the climate between warming, albedo, ice coverage, and water vapor and CO2 outgassing from the oceans. So yes, CO2 does play a large role in rapid warming in Earth's past. The only major differences are that instead of orbital eccentricity being the trigger this time, human CO2 emissions are the trigger and current warming is at least an order of magnitude faster than interglacial warming. Not to mention that we are currently in an interglacial period, so according to the natural cycle of the climate we should be should be slowly cooling right now, not rapidly warming.

>And don't forget that watervapour is the most important greenhouse gas of all time. Bc it absorbs more IR radiation.
First, warming from CO2 causes the oceans to put more water vapor in the atmosphere. Second, how does water vapor being a stronger greenhouse gas make massive emissions of CO2 good? This is just a red herring.

>You cannot regulate that with taxation, instead alkalize the water with an ionizer.
Less CO2 means less acidic water.

>>9863925
Isn’t acidic water good though, because it kills bacteria and parasites?

>>9864025
Bacteria and parasites are fish food.

>>9864338
only fags eat fish, smells like vagina